COVID-19 Health System Overload Forecaster
THOSE gazillions are gone.
GONE.
burleigh wrote:Hey Stok, are you rat testing your kids 2 x per week and sending them to school in masks?
My kids aren't at school age yet, but if the alternative is joining those misguided wackos in their fight against reason and democracy, then I'd have no issues.
Here's an article on how the immunosuppressed are going:
https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/indescribable-despair-the-vi...
I don't know if I agree with the title, but hey, it gets attention. I've got heaps done and set up around the house. Medical appointments become social appointments; the nurses who I hadn't seen for a while said they had got beyond me, but I'm not so sure, haha.
I'm quite enjoying the time away from people, and I still get to surf, and there's plenty of space out there. Conditions in the La Nina predominantly SE flow have been appalling, but there have been little moments of less wind on random sand buildups as the coast flows in backward motion. I think I've spent a grand total of $300 on discretionary spending in the economy since NY - all online and a fair bit was consumables for machines. Covid has already visited us, and our way of managing it worked. All are OK btw. About 3000 out of 15000 of the local town has been a case, if covidlive is to be believed. So much for each wave infecting 3% of the population...
Sometimes I miss my work out there in the community and those magic moments when you really help empower someone, but it is what it is. Dunno if I'll go back tbh, the main conundrum is 'why go out of your way to help people who have shown they don't care'? GSCO said something poignant in the house thread I think, it was about Australia being caring and supportive... I've been considering that has now died, and now it's everyone for themselves in this economic zone. It's not complete, there are pockets of caring people out there, especially health workers.
The 'shadow lockdown' has been a really powerful thing to watch and be a part of - I would think any activist would give their right ball (or ovary) to have that kind of impact in the economy on an issue they are passionate about. I pledge I'll spend on only what I need. Next fascinating thing will be the election.
Nice one VJ, a thoughtful post.
Glad you can still surf VJ!
The shadow lockdown is pretty much well and truly over in Melbourne. There were some very, very quiet streets for a while, normally is during Jan due to holidays, but this was next level. Particularly with closed shops due to staffing issues.
I guess this could go in the political thread or here.
"Andrews Government’s advertising spend surpasses major corporations including McDonald's as state faces debt crisis"
https://www.skynews.com.au/business/media/andrews-governments-advertisin...
Was quite surprised when this popped up in my Facebook feed, expect pretty much every ethnic group got the same thing.
Pushing the vaccine to all kids, because we all know how they are such a high risk group, not.
indo-dreaming wrote:I guess this could go in the political thread or here.
"Andrews Government’s advertising spend surpasses major corporations including McDonald's as state faces debt crisis"
https://www.skynews.com.au/business/media/andrews-governments-advertisin...
Was quite surprised when this popped up in my Facebook feed, expect pretty much every ethnic group got the same thing.
Pushing the vaccine to all kids, because we all know how they are such a high risk group, not.
Wow ID, you really are a piece of work getting upset that the Vic Government is providing important information to people from a NESB. I know your type. You sook when the govt advertises in languages other than English and you'd sook if they didn't cater to people of a NESB. Always sooking.
Meanwhile the tax-payer is picking up a $10K a month tab for George Christensen's online ads promoting his anti-vax agenda and mad fucking conspiracy theories. Any problems with that insane waste or our tax dollars champ?
You're just a wierdo Indo Dreaming.
George Christensen - hah!
The member for Manila's red light districts! Another classic example of the calibre of individuals spearheading this movement.
I've said it before and will say it again - anti everything crew, look who's standing with you - can you see something wrong? Does something seem a bit off?
Where to start with that shameful, ugly fucker.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/feb/08/daniel-andrews-at...
Which elected official to listen to?
So our dear leaders, especially some state premiers are pushing 3rd shot mandates and suggesting 4th and 5th will be required.
Whilst international airports are now open for tourists only double jabbed.
AUSSIES they are taking the piss outa you AGAIN .
burleigh wrote:udo wrote:udo wrote:And which Airline will carry you what Countries will allow you to Enter ?
Burleigh which Airlines ?
Sorry mate, missed this. Virgin will take the unwhacked, Emirates also I heard.
Not sure of others sorry but I know there are more however I’m not going to waste time on your bed wetting question looking.
Computer says no.
Virgin Australia, 26 November 2021:
"Virgin Australia wishes to advise that effective today Virgin Australia will only carry guests travelling on international flights who are:
- Fully vaccinated with a vaccine approved or recognised by Australia’s Therapeutic Goods Administration (TGA)
- cannot be vaccinated for medical reasons (with approved evidence and subject to state and territory requirements)."
https://newsroom.virginaustralia.com/release/virgin-australia-announces-...
And Emirates are a little more ambiguous but also seem to suggest a vaccination requirement:
"Passengers vaccinated in Australia must prove their vaccination history by presenting an Australian government‑issued International COVID‑19 Vaccination Certificate (ICVC) at check‑in."
But down the bottom it says (re: children):
"If the accompanying parents or guardians are not fully vaccinated or are not in the exempt category, the children will not be able to travel on Emirates until all the accompanying travellers are fully vaccinated."
https://www.emirates.com/au/english/help/covid-19/travel-requirements-by...
indo-dreaming wrote:I guess this could go in the political thread or here.
"Andrews Government’s advertising spend surpasses major corporations including McDonald's as state faces debt crisis"
https://www.skynews.com.au/business/media/andrews-governments-advertisin...
Was quite surprised when this popped up in my Facebook feed, expect pretty much every ethnic group got the same thing.
Pushing the vaccine to all kids, because we all know how they are such a high risk group, not.
Dan won't be getting any of that money back from overseas visitors from the 21/2, he want's them boostered to come to VIC lol, what a fool.
Biting truth
HEALTH & WELLBEING
Some 300 nurses and midwives strike in NSW
Around 300 nurses and midwives are striking in NSW in protest of an "insulting" pay rise offer and working conditions they say are unsafe. https://7news.com.au/lifestyle/health-wellbeing/some-300-nurses-and-midw.... Nurses across NSW have voted to stage a mass strike for the first time in almost a decade amid a dispute over hospital staffing levels, pay and working conditions.
The likelihood of thousands of nurses stopping work on February 15 has edged closer after a ballot by the NSW Nurses and Midwives’ Association resulted in the majority of 200 branches endorsing industrial action.
https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/nurses-vote-to-strike-as-omicron-int...
The damage is in the mail
https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/pfizer-quietly-adds-language-warning-...
Blowin look away.
Paper kills its just the flu narrative massive study.
Look away I Focus
Study proves that people who keep trying to convince the population that the flu isn’t serious are a danger to society
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-017-17497-6
See, “It’s just the flu” doesn’t have to mean it doesn’t have serious complications for the minority. That’s what I’m getting from Blowin. I think what he’s saying is that just like the flu, the vast majority will be fine because most don’t suffer acute symptoms
The more people you convince to not worry about the flu by demanding it is far less dangerous, the more people you will convince to hang out with their nanna when they’ve got the flu. It’s dangerous
We really have shot ourselves in the foot. MMT says that we can’t just keep printing money endlessly. We really should have waited for an actual indiscriminate killer pandemic, not one that had very flu like characteristics. People like you don’t appreciate the gravity of real potential of a much more serious virus, and also the upcoming disruption of climate change
What has happened is the world panicked and took the first wave of the set without contemplating what’s potentially behind it
People who say “it’s just the flu” are the ones being cautious
did people not die in aged care before covid? Weird we didnt get daily crocodile tears from our leaders when they died from the flu/colds
Surely deaths have increased in aged care? Anyone got any stats?
velocityjohnno wrote:Here's an article on how the immunosuppressed are going:
https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/indescribable-despair-the-vi...
I don't know if I agree with the title, but hey, it gets attention. I've got heaps done and set up around the house. Medical appointments become social appointments; the nurses who I hadn't seen for a while said they had got beyond me, but I'm not so sure, haha.
I'm quite enjoying the time away from people, and I still get to surf, and there's plenty of space out there. Conditions in the La Nina predominantly SE flow have been appalling, but there have been little moments of less wind on random sand buildups as the coast flows in backward motion. I think I've spent a grand total of $300 on discretionary spending in the economy since NY - all online and a fair bit was consumables for machines. Covid has already visited us, and our way of managing it worked. All are OK btw. About 3000 out of 15000 of the local town has been a case, if covidlive is to be believed. So much for each wave infecting 3% of the population...
Sometimes I miss my work out there in the community and those magic moments when you really help empower someone, but it is what it is. Dunno if I'll go back tbh, the main conundrum is 'why go out of your way to help people who have shown they don't care'? GSCO said something poignant in the house thread I think, it was about Australia being caring and supportive... I've been considering that has now died, and now it's everyone for themselves in this economic zone. It's not complete, there are pockets of caring people out there, especially health workers.
The 'shadow lockdown' has been a really powerful thing to watch and be a part of - I would think any activist would give their right ball (or ovary) to have that kind of impact in the economy on an issue they are passionate about. I pledge I'll spend on only what I need. Next fascinating thing will be the election.
Glad all good on your end VJ and you're still finding a wave, even amongst Vicco's truly horrific summer of surf conditions.
That article was interesting, though I can't help but feel the point of it is kind of what could have been occuring for far longer than what has been occuring, in that the elderly and vunerable should have been prioritised for protection and support, whereas younger and healthy allowed to somewhat get on with it, considering seeing all the stats on how little impact the virus has in terms of serious implications if you catch it, vaxxed or not.
This line in the article: "“Many of them are basically living a hermetic lifestyle, and they just don’t go out at all,” he said. “For those patients who live alone, it is incredibly socially isolating. They find it psychologically very hard.”
That was a significantly higher number during lockdowns than it was now. Everyone was copping that. So is the argument in this article, if those at risk can't go out, nobody should be able to? Maybe I'm simplifying it too much, and yes it would be hard to see others out enjoying life if you can't, but does that mean everyone has to stay indoors?
I still maintain the greatest policy failure of the last 2 years was locking everyone in doors for close to 2 years, and in the process making many the most unhealthy they have ever been. Truly shithouse decision making that flies in the face of any proper health advice.
Profits before people....
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/300513400/covid19-vaccines-pushes-pfize...
Shame we did such a poor job with AZ in Aus.
monkeyboy wrote:Profits before people....
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/300513400/covid19-vaccines-pushes-pfize...
Shame we did such a poor job with AZ in Aus.
Covid is a rich mans virus.
burleigh wrote:monkeyboy wrote:Profits before people....
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/300513400/covid19-vaccines-pushes-pfize...
Shame we did such a poor job with AZ in Aus.
Covid is a rich mans virus.
Fizzer is a rich countries curse....
I focus wrote:Blowin look away.
Paper kills its just the flu narrative massive study.
@I Focus, its a very good study with lots of information and data , however it is for the earlier varients . It would be good to see a risk benefit analysis for omicron in the 5-11 year olds and also for the under 30 healthy males . If my child had underlying health problems then I wouldn’t be so hesitant . It’s also good that we now have novavax and hopefully spikogen soon. Australians need a choice other than mRNA .
shoredump wrote:Look away I Focus
Study proves that people who keep trying to convince the population that the flu isn’t serious are a danger to society
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-017-17497-6
See, “It’s just the flu” doesn’t have to mean it doesn’t have serious complications for the minority. That’s what I’m getting from Blowin. I think what he’s saying is that just like the flu, the vast majority will be fine because most don’t suffer acute symptoms
The more people you convince to not worry about the flu by demanding it is far less dangerous, the more people you will convince to hang out with their nanna when they’ve got the flu. It’s dangerous
We really have shot ourselves in the foot. MMT says that we can’t just keep printing money endlessly. We really should have waited for an actual indiscriminate killer pandemic, not one that had very flu like characteristics. People like you don’t appreciate the gravity of real potential of a much more serious virus, and also the upcoming disruption of climate change
What has happened is the world panicked and took the first wave of the set without contemplating what’s behind it
I would argue the opposite, the continued use of "its no worse than the flu" actually makes the flu sound harmless, throw in derogatory terms like bed wetters and face nappies to reinforce the vibe.
I have a 90 year mother in care if she gets the flu she's gone, I am one of those who gets the flu and ends up in bed for a day or two long been the butt of man flu jokes I fully understand consequences of getting the flu.
" We really should have waited for an actual indiscriminate killer pandemic, not one that had very flu like characteristics."
COVID disease is nothing like the flu nor are the ongoing consequences as high lighted by the paper.
"People like you don’t appreciate the gravity of real potential of a much more serious virus, and also the upcoming disruption of climate change"
People like me what?
Read up on bat pathogens any of the more serious ones come over to humans then you will get your wish.
I focus wrote:shoredump wrote:Look away I Focus
Study proves that people who keep trying to convince the population that the flu isn’t serious are a danger to society
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-017-17497-6
See, “It’s just the flu” doesn’t have to mean it doesn’t have serious complications for the minority. That’s what I’m getting from Blowin. I think what he’s saying is that just like the flu, the vast majority will be fine because most don’t suffer acute symptoms
The more people you convince to not worry about the flu by demanding it is far less dangerous, the more people you will convince to hang out with their nanna when they’ve got the flu. It’s dangerous
We really have shot ourselves in the foot. MMT says that we can’t just keep printing money endlessly. We really should have waited for an actual indiscriminate killer pandemic, not one that had very flu like characteristics. People like you don’t appreciate the gravity of real potential of a much more serious virus, and also the upcoming disruption of climate change
What has happened is the world panicked and took the first wave of the set without contemplating what’s behind it
I would argue the opposite, the continued use of "its no worse than the flu" actually makes the flu sound harmless, throw in derogatory terms like bed wetters and face nappies to reinforce the vibe.
I have a 90 year mother in care if she gets the flu she's gone, I am one of those who gets the flu and ends up in bed for a day or two long been the butt of man flu jokes I fully understand consequences of getting the flu." We really should have waited for an actual indiscriminate killer pandemic, not one that had very flu like characteristics."
COVID disease is nothing like the flu nor are the ongoing consequences as high lighted by the paper.
"People like you don’t appreciate the gravity of real potential of a much more serious virus, and also the upcoming disruption of climate change"
People like me what?
Read up on bat pathogens any of the more serious ones come over to humans then you will get your wish.
I spoke with my pop yesterday and i asked him about my nans death (who died in aged care)
I know she died from Pneumonia after catching a cold, yet he insisted she died from old age in 2015. If she died today and had a positive covid test, it woudnt be old age, it would be covid.
I honestly want to know if deaths in aged care have increased with Covid? Or are the same % of people passing with a recent positive covid test?
I didn’t realise CB was a RWNJ
Worst. Prime Minister. Ever.
— Chris Martenson (@chrismartenson) February 9, 2022
Or a thin-skinned man-child unaware of his own shortcomings. I can't decide. So why not both? https://t.co/mSWyiyEUqT
the guardian...
haha
desperation, conflation, masturbation
everything but reality
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/feb/08/ottawa-truckers-pr...
Supafreak wrote:I focus wrote:Blowin look away.
Paper kills its just the flu narrative massive study.
@I Focus, its a very good study with lots of information and data , however it is for the earlier varients . It would be good to see a risk benefit analysis for omicron in the 5-11 year olds and also for the under 30 healthy males . If my child had underlying health problems then I wouldn’t be so hesitant . It’s also good that we now have novavax and hopefully spikogen soon. Australians need a choice other than mRNA .
Yeah agree Omicron has changed things a bit hopefully the trend continues of weaker variants and further relaxation of restrictions / vax requirements.
TBH although I am a supporter of vaccinations I would think long and hard of using Pfizer etc on young children, would certainly use novavax not so sure spikogen.
I disagree with your point that based on a study of acute cases, all people including blowin should be fearful of covid. I’m with blowin, in that your fear and your response should be bespoke with your circumstances. Outcomes are wildly different in people and that needs to be acknowledged.
How about I make a study on the safety of pipeline based on the 18 people that have died there. Ridiculous of course if I were and to tell everyone that’s how unsafe it is. It’s not accurate all it shows is that it “can” be incredibly dangerousness.
The threat of covid is much closer to the flu than some other potentially nightmarish pathogens, not the other way around like you wish to promote.
That’s the point, where it lies on a threat scale
Not understanding this scale has now made us a little more vulnerable to the more dangerous bugs, as we are now not as able as we were to pay for widespread lockdowns
Way more people are scared of Covid than the food they eat.
This speaks volumes
sypkan wrote:the guardian...
haha
desperation, conflation, masturbation
everything but reality
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/feb/08/ottawa-truckers-pr...
Holy shit!
The Guardian is the ultimate Fake Left disgrace. How’s quoting the fucking extremism expert .! Pretty crazy the flat out lying going down by outlets such as that. Do they feel any need to,provide a skerrick of evidence for their outlandish smear campaign? Nope. Zero credibility, maximum desperation.
Not sure if you caught this that I posted earlier.
I really don’t understand people quoting meta analysis studies to try and create fear about covid.
How many Australians have had it? Three million ? Four million ? It’s a shit load of people either way . Everyone’s either had it or knows plenty of people who’ve had it. The experience in almost every instance is that it’s fuck all.
Sure it’s not the best thing which can happen to a 92 year old with multiple comorbidities but what disease / injury do they want to get?
It is exactly like the flu. Some people suffer ongoing affects from the flu, some people suffer ongoing affects from covid. Neither is a reason to shutter the world and force people to submit to a therapeutic of limited efficacy .
If you hadn’t had two years of covid hype you wouldn’t be doing internet deep dives into the sickness that is passing around. You’d think nothing of it at all.
Must be a flu/cold can’t buy tissues anywhere lol
This is just typical of those overpaid, lazy nurses who do nothing for our society except tow the government line.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/feb/09/nsw-nurses-vote-i...
Yes but what about the next strain??
Now I’m no scientist but wouldn’t you think 10’s of years of virus research world wide would lead to a better understanding on the severity of strains that come from such a virus? Surely there is a common trend in most of them to be able to at least predict a probable outcome. Ie - each strain Likely to be more contagious but less harmful. This has clearly been the case and should continue. About time they came out and said it to put some people at ease for Christ sake. I’ve got no doubt they know how it’s going to play out. Then again, who’s to lose out if this info is made public.. B_g Ph___a for one. Followed closely by the embarrassment of governments world wide.
Now I’m no scientist...hahaha how very droll
LOL
Tucker Carlson Blowin? Really?
Tucker Carlson, a renowned republican mouthpiece and general shit stirrer who appeals to the insular 'owning 10 assault rifles is my God darn right' 'murican citizen appearing on Swellnet, an Australian surf forum.
Thanks Blowin, that just stamps out the fraction of remaining credibility any of your posts on this topic had.
Speaking of Tucker here he is speaking and agreeing with a X democrat.
BTW. I listened to her podcast with Joe the other day after someone posted a quote from her here, and she actually seems really level headed, was quite surprised.
I think it's almost down to a case by case basis. Some people get smashed by it, some people cruise through it.
My bro tested positive to it a couple of weeks ago. Had a bit of a tickle in his throat and got checked out, confirmed he was covid positive. He's a mild asthmatic with a history of respiratory problems which surfing all his life has helped manage. He breezed through it, sweet as. As did my fat, piss-head, chain smoking cousin and her husband. They cruised through corona too. They're the only people I know that have had it but to the three of them, it was a non-event. I can't speak on behalf of anyone else.
sypkan wrote:the guardian...
haha
desperation, conflation, masturbation
everything but reality
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/feb/08/ottawa-truckers-pr...
The astroturfing is blindingly obvious. You can see it in the rhetoric, the phraseology, the well packaged social media memes, the strange, anonymous instagram account that shares nothing but fear inducing vaccine misinformation and general conspiracies. The bunch of rag tag, fat loser pollies who were quick to become synonymous with this movement. The independent commentator journos who seemingly smoothly transitioned between covering and cheering on the reclaim Australia movement, to the freedom movement.
I personally think this movement is being buoyed by foreign interests, keen on seeing covid tear apart a few nations from the inside.
san Guine wrote:Now I’m no scientist...hahaha how very droll
Haha droll, how very over literal
zenagain wrote:I think it's almost down to a case by case basis. Some people get smashed by it, some people cruise through it.
My bro tested positive to it a couple of weeks ago. Had a bit of a tickle in his throat and got checked out, confirmed he was covid positive. He's a mild asthmatic with a history of respiratory problems which surfing all his life has helped manage. He breezed through it, sweet as. As did my fat, piss-head, chain smoking cousin and her husband. They cruised through corona too. They're the only people I know that have had it but to the three of them, it was a non-event. I can't speak on behalf of anyone else.
Thats great Zen always nice to hear good news my own family in NSW have dodged it so far.
shoredump wrote:I disagree with your point that based on a study of acute cases, all people including blowin should be fearful of covid. I’m with blowin, in that your fear and your response should be bespoke with your circumstances. Outcomes are wildly different in people and that needs to be acknowledged.
How about I make a study on the safety of pipeline based on the 18 people that have died there. Ridiculous of course if I were and to tell everyone that’s how unsafe it is. It’s not accurate all it shows is that it “can” be incredibly dangerousness.
The threat of covid is much closer to the flu than some other potentially nightmarish pathogens, not the other way around like you wish to promote.That’s the point, where it lies on a threat scale
Not understanding this scale has now made us a little more vulnerable to the more dangerous bugs, as we are now not as able as we were to pay for widespread lockdowns
At no time have I mention or intermated people should be fearful my point was COVID disease is nothing like the flu and should be treated as such the hospital / ICU rates point that out.
The paper talks to the point there are long term consequences from having COVID disease not experienced from having the flu.
Stok wrote:sypkan wrote:the guardian...
haha
desperation, conflation, masturbation
everything but reality
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/feb/08/ottawa-truckers-pr...
The astroturfing is blindingly obvious. You can see it in the rhetoric, the phraseology, the well packaged social media memes, the strange, anonymous instagram account that shares nothing but fear inducing vaccine misinformation and general conspiracies. The bunch of rag tag, fat loser pollies who were quick to become synonymous with this movement. The independent commentator journos who seemingly smoothly transitioned between covering and cheering on the reclaim Australia movement, to the freedom movement.
I personally think this movement is being buoyed by foreign interests, keen on seeing covid tear apart a few nations from the inside.
That’s a China sledge.
Paging GSCO
I know of one person who struggled for a week with it. Pretty young and healthy male. His partner 39 weeks pregnant also got it and she was fine, gave birth a few days later. The other 4 ppl I know of personally have all breezed though it. I like to ask them would they’ve turned up to work pre COVID with how they were feeling and all said yes.
Slater might not get into WA Or any one else ha ha
Bonza of course all nations try to interfere with and influence the internal affairs of each other.
In passing, I think I’ve got the hots for Tulsi Gabbard. She supposedly surf too.
Supa that’s an interesting video you just posted. I’m most the way through the book Capitalism and Freedom by Milton Friedman (reading it for the 2nd time) and the stuff the senator is talking about re central authority vs freedom is basically straight from its pages. Really interesting.
I didn't think it was possibly possible...
but I reckon the left have totally outdone themselves and their recent (deranged) tendency for gross over reaction on just about every issue...
their covid response has released a plague proportion of angry chickens...
now all impatiently looking for a home to roost...
“Hell hath no fury like an angry mom,”
https://bariweiss.substack.com/p/revenge-of-the-covid-moms
as time passes, and the reality of the true threat of corona is exposed... people are just going to be angrier... rather than the usual placated with the passage of time...
I've created a spreadsheet forecast which I'll update as we go..
There's also a website with live running data.. https://sites.google.com/view/stayhomeaustralia