COVID-19 Health System Overload Forecaster
@Burleigh,
You need to apply the same level scrutiny to social media as you do to MSM.
Do you really believe people posting on social media don't have an agenda..?
That's a rhetorical question by the way. Of course they have an agenda. Don't blindly believe anything you read anywhere.
freeride76 wrote:Maybe it's not newsworthy to publish Facebook reports from people.
especially if the data as a whole is available?
Is it not worth following up? There have been many high profile people with serious reactions.
The problem with a lot of the data like that above, and the visual dot graphs earlier, are what exactly are the unvaccinated? I haven't looked closely into these examples. But a lot I've previously considered are as such: the unvaccinated portion includes all single Vax and all double Vax for less than 2 weeks. This really bloats that number. Most people assume it is all totally unvaxxed people. It's a minefield of subtle and not so subtle nuance.
tiger wrote:The problem with a lot of the data like that above, and the visual dot graphs earlier, are what exactly are the unvaccinated? I haven't looked closely into these examples. But a lot I've previously considered are as such: the unvaccinated portion includes all single Vax and all double Vax for less than 2 weeks. This really bloats that number. Most people assume it is all totally unvaxxed people. It's a minefield of subtle and not so subtle nuance.
agreed, and what about the people that were jabbed over 6 months ago? Now considered unvaxxed without a booster?
"Sorry, but re: Rittenhouse, isn't the event happening right now (Trial), and wasn't Fox News balls deep in support for him during the Kenosha riots?
Maybe, I'm just not exposed to this censorship, because little ol me who doesn't even go looking for it, is exposed to plenty of Pro-Rittenhouse commentary.
If it's being censored they are doing an absolute shitt job of it..."
it's facebook censoring any supporting stories and posts, news can still run a story, but fb won't run it
or didn't... but, as we have seen, 'the narrative' is going to have to do some serious catching up... or not...
"...As for the Lab Leak theory , when I was listening to ABC radio last year they had a multitude of experts come on and seriously discuss the Lab Leak theory.
In a mostly sober fashion they discussed it, mostly thought it was implausible but it wasn't outright dismissed.
It sure wasn't censored here.
I just don't personally experience this censorship of information that is supposedly occurring.
I'm not dismissing the possibility it occurs, and is maybe even widespread."
same thing with the lab leak, fb wouldn't run any stories / posts mentioning the potential of a lab leak, news can run a story, fb won't
you can argue they are a private company, and blah blah blah... but that's piss weak, fb is more than that, hence all the censorship...
and it's always going one way I might add..
the hunter's laptop story was at another level
that got shut down so tightly, some people are still deluding themselves (and the public) that it's not his laptop and all russian disinformation...
and it still has barely been explored in mainstream media now, which just shows the power social media has
if they scrub out a story long enough the truth just gets buried, and people get so beholden to a position that even when the media concedes corrections the narrative is set
see it all the time on here, vicvocal is still peddling lies that have been well and truly debunked... the dumb cunt doesn't even know he's doing it... nor do half of his enablers it seems...
The vaccination program in Australia is not mandatory, getting a vaccine is voluntary, but it’s true that in many jurisdictions and for many professions, there are fully vaccinated requirements to access venues or to maintain occupations, in which if you are not vaccinated you may be putting other people at risk. The definition of fully vaccinated, at this stage, has not changed. Fully vaccinated means you received a primary course, which is two doses of the vaccines, and whether you get a booster or not, that doesn't change your status. It doesn’t change your digital certificate, it doesn’t change your immunisation history statement. We will continue to review the policies as more evidence emerges. https://www.health.gov.au/news/top-3-covid-19-vaccine-questions-booster-... I’m betting that boosters will become mandatory in certain professions and travel. If no reactions the first time I can’t see the problem, think I will stick with AZ though. Not sure why Pfizer is the preferred booster regardless of previous jabs .
Burleigh, what would you classify as MSM? And where would you expect this information to be reported/published?
Supafreak wrote:...think I will stick with AZ though. Not sure why Pfizer is the preferred booster regardless of previous jabs .
Super, I believe that there is a reduced level of the efficacy of the booster with the type of vaccine AZ is (adeno virus vector). This is apparently common in many vaccines of this type and you will be better off with a different form of vaccine, eg mrna types such as Pfizer or Moderna. There has been lots of discussion about the benefits of mixing vaccines for increased efficacy and longevity of the immune response.
blackers wrote:Supafreak wrote:...think I will stick with AZ though. Not sure why Pfizer is the preferred booster regardless of previous jabs .
Super, I believe that there is a reduced level of the efficacy of the booster with the type of vaccine AZ is (adeno virus vector). This is apparently common in many vaccines of this type and you will be better off with a different form of vaccine, eg mrna types such as Pfizer or Moderna. There has been lots of discussion about the benefits of mixing vaccines for increased efficacy and longevity of the immune response.
@blackers , yeah I haven’t looked at any studies in depth yet . Haven’t seen the studies that had 2 shots of AZ then Pfizer . Its all still a big experiment. Prefer Petrovsky vaccine if it ever gets approved , seems a safer type of vaccine and animal studies were way better results .
blackers wrote:Supafreak wrote:...think I will stick with AZ though. Not sure why Pfizer is the preferred booster regardless of previous jabs .
Super, I believe that there is a reduced level of the efficacy of the booster with the type of vaccine AZ is (adeno virus vector). This is apparently common in many vaccines of this type and you will be better off with a different form of vaccine, eg mrna types such as Pfizer or Moderna. There has been lots of discussion about the benefits of mixing vaccines for increased efficacy and longevity of the immune response.
Nothing more than a business deal $$$$$
thermalben wrote:Burleigh, what would you classify as MSM? And where would you expect this information to be reported/published?
news papers, radio, tv, but i think you're getting at the point that Social media is also a form of MSM.
There are countless fit, healthy humans that have been brought to their knees from this jab, and its never been reported in detail.
Do you think these fit healthy people deserve their story to be told? IMO yes, however doing so will undermine the governments Jab roll out. So their stories are not being told to the mass.
Victorian opposition withdraw support for further protests after numerous threats of violence against politicians and their families. Some of the hot heads here might take a moment to think about the abusive language thry have used. Morrison meanwhile rambles on about people's frustrations instead of condemning the direct threat to Dan Andrews life made by the protestors.
while Morrison
China (Ground Zero) Review...been a long time coming...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_in_mainland_China
Origin Expert : Not a Lab at centre of outbreak but a bat from Laos > Last country in Asia to get Covid?
China mandate 80% Olympic Vax + Zero Covid (Often compared to Singapore / NZ / WA / Qld)
Vax Approvals
June 2020 Convidecia (Single Dose) Military > Feb 2021 General Use...(Asia / Sth America)
July 2020 Sinopharm (x 2) > 7 May 2021 WHO (World )
July 2020 Sinovac (Coronavae) > 1 June 2021 WHO (World) > June-Indo BT Frontline deaths/cases
https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/indonesia-doctors-fell-sick-ma...
March 2021 - ZF2001 (3 dose) > Mostly thru Asia
Chinese Vax Donations / Exports
https://bridgebeijing.com/our-publications/our-publications-1/china-covi...
Chinese Vax Consensus > Largest Vax Exporter + soon the most Vaxes Administered.
2021 (New) ARCoVax.
9 May/Nov Fosun 50/50 BioNTech (1 shot room temp mRNA Popouts) Olympic Vax booster Trials?
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science/article/3155739/china-approves-t...
Govt censor any critical info of own Vax & misinform of Non Chinese Vaxes.
30 Oct 2021 Prez Xi Jinping > G20 Vax Solidarity (Well reported must read on China / World Vax!)
https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202110/1237676.shtml
China Rollout Phases
Phase 1 (49.9m) 16 Dec 2020 - Essential Workers > Medics -Transit -Teachers -Cops -
Phase 2 (411.7m) Feb 2021 - At Risk 60+
Phase 3/4/6 (864.9m) March - Adult Community 18-59
Vax Peak - 28 June 2021 = 1.55/100)
https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations?country=~CHN
Phase 4 July (Late) Youth 12-17 (Reads Age 6-17 in Trials)
Phase 5 Sept (Boosters) Olympic Volunteers are #1 mRNA participants! (That's a guess!)
Vax low point - 9 Oct = (.07/100) Rises with Kid'z Vax (Mostly)
Phase 6 - (27 Oct) Kidz 3-11 or 10.2% of Pop ( Reads Ages 0-5 in Trials)
Kidz Vax peak - 11 Nov data heads down? (.61/100) Data seems to show 2 wks Kidz are all jabbed...
76.83% Current Chinese Full Vaxed
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/region/china
China Vax Expert Overview
https://idpjournal.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s40249-021-00909-1
Vax Locations - (Zero Policy "Outbreaks" drive the Mass Vax Reaction) Like putting out Spotfires!
Random sample is possibly more accurate than most...
https://assets.bwbx.io/images/users/iqjWHBFdfxIU/iLxbLwFxWwZk/v2/pidjEfP...
Trigger Panic > Lockdown Borders > Councils > Towns > a/h Night Vax Halls > Mobile > Door 2 Door
Most outbreaks are limited to 50-100 (Strict lockdown) then off to stamp out the next outbreak...
Only that the Outbreak time Window is narrowing each time...from 2 months > 2 weeks > 2 days.
Lockdowns (Ground Zero)
Wall off towns > All transit-Trains -Buses-Taxis are suspended + Shops can close for up to 6 months
Despite [-] Tests - 2 months in Isolation + 2 year old said to go numb from having 100 tests.
Hong Kong Virologist questions if Chinese Vax is suited to Ground Zero.
https://fortune.com/2021/11/10/hong-kong-virologist-guan-yi-slams-china-...
Vax Pop 1.3b > ( 100m Hesitants ?)
80% Vax Target by End October 2021 Deadline > Olympics Feb 2021
Govt took the soft approach to win over trust...just as Oz (No Mandate)
Cash / Fruit'n'Veg / Eggs / Chicken Wings / Dumplings / Ice Cream
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-16/china-vaccine-rollout-egg-ice-cre...
China Ministry of Health / Education agreed informed Consent only!
Apparently it was the regional Councils that pushed the rock hard Mandate line!
Qinling ( Zeroing!) No Family missed > No Person left.
Human Rights Watch!
https://www.hrw.org/news/2021/09/28/chinas-use-force-and-coercion-drive-...
Pre Covid Vax complaints of Side FX deaths were sorted by making the problem objector disappear!
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/politics/article/3152922/mother-detained...
https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202104/1221529.shtml
Same Vax companies are distrusted by Chinese...so there is a Ltd supply of Pfizer for approval reason.
Thru Rollout if you complain about Forced Vax, the Cops round you up & Force you to delete posts.
Govt pays neighbours to dob in Hesitants so authorities can easily hunt them down.
Hesitants are harassed on phones & Govt bullies crash their homes & cart them off for Questioning.
Hesitants are denied Accom / Retirement / Welfare / Work / Transit / Health / Testing / Schooling
The penalties apply to extended family as in Social Credit...(One would assume o/s family's targeted!)
Cops then go to Hesitant's House > force them into Cop Car > Hospital Thugs hold 'em down & Jab!
Number of Covid Infections (Overview)
Current > (5 sites Avg) cases 100,000 -127,000 > Deaths 4,600- 5,700
https://covid19.who.int/region/wpro/country/cn
https://ourworldindata.org/covid-cases?country=~CHN
Daily interactive Chinese Data...by Johns Hopkins.
tbb thinks it's not as easy as it looks...there is a Guide below! (Will save some time!)
https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/dashboards/bda7594740fd402994234...
Left Column ( Scroll ) down a fair way to reach Lower Half Case numbers > Click the name (China)
(Light touch!) Check Across the Top (Banner)...Confusing! As it never badges chosen Nation...
Shows Date / Cases / Deaths / Doses...(Can double check with above data ...Ok!)
Next
Bottom Left [ Admin 0 ] = National > Click [ Admin 1] = (Chinese Regional case numbers appear!)
It does come as a shock that these stats actually exist...(tbb can vouch they match recent news reports )
Note 28 day (Recent cases as Default Setting)
Right hand side (Graphs)
Weekly Cases / Deaths / Doses
Click [28 day] for "Solid Bar Graph to gauge current Chinese Covid rise"
Main Map (Top Right) Legend
Cases > 500 >2,000 > 10,000 etc...
Bottom Bar options bring in a new side panel for more Data counts.
Also options different Map Styles (Knock yerself Out!)
Olympics (IOC are having kittens about Quarantine + Subtle Political Prisoner Protests)
Feb 2022 Beijing Winter Olympics 1st 2nd 3rd Covid medals have been awarded to nobody as usual!
https://www.reuters.com/lifestyle/sports/foreign-athlete-beijing-tests-p...
blindboy wrote:Victorian opposition withdraw support for further protests after numerous threats of violence against politicians and their families. Some of the hot heads here might take a moment to think about the abusive language thry have used. Morrison meanwhile rambles on about people's frustrations instead of condemning the direct threat to Dan Andrews life made by the protestors.
while Morrison
Do you mean hot heads like vic local ? famous for his abusive language and hoping people would die from covid .
No doubt $ involved Burleigh. But also plenty of clinical reasons. My wife is an immunizer, we were talking about this 12 months ago.
NSW R(Eff) getting close to 1 again:
tiger wrote:But a lot I've previously considered are as such: the unvaccinated portion includes all single Vax and all double Vax for less than 2 weeks. This really bloats that number. Most people assume it is all totally unvaxxed people. It's a minefield of subtle and not so subtle nuance.
Tiger, or anyone, do you have a source for this?
supa, VL goes over the top but I was thinking more of the Dictator Dan brigade. My post referred specifically to threats against politicians, I can't recall VL making any of those.
burleigh wrote:thermalben wrote:Burleigh, what would you classify as MSM? And where would you expect this information to be reported/published?
news papers, radio, tv, but i think you're getting at the point that Social media is also a form of MSM.
There are countless fit, healthy humans that have been brought to their knees from this jab, and its never been reported in detail.
Do you think these fit healthy people deserve their story to be told? IMO yes, however doing so will undermine the governments Jab roll out. So their stories are not being told to the mass.
Are you saying the government is paying media companies to not publish negative stories about the jab?
Gotta say, as a media owner, that's pretty fanciful. If it's true then it's a hell of a bigger story to break than the actual jab news itself. Considering the diverse range of independent media on offer these days, plus social media - which has a bigger reach than all of the supposed "mainstream media", I really can't understand how these kinds of stories are being suppressed.
Patrick wrote:tiger wrote:But a lot I've previously considered are as such: the unvaccinated portion includes all single Vax and all double Vax for less than 2 weeks. This really bloats that number. Most people assume it is all totally unvaxxed people. It's a minefield of subtle and not so subtle nuance.
Tiger, or anyone, do you have a source for this?
This bit:
>"and all double Vax for less than 2 weeks."
doesn't seem true.
NSW:
https://www.nsw.gov.au/covid-19/stay-safe/rules/fully-vaccinated
QLD:
https://www.qld.gov.au/health/conditions/health-alerts/coronavirus-covid...
thermalben wrote:burleigh wrote:thermalben wrote:Burleigh, what would you classify as MSM? And where would you expect this information to be reported/published?
news papers, radio, tv, but i think you're getting at the point that Social media is also a form of MSM.
There are countless fit, healthy humans that have been brought to their knees from this jab, and its never been reported in detail.
Do you think these fit healthy people deserve their story to be told? IMO yes, however doing so will undermine the governments Jab roll out. So their stories are not being told to the mass.Are you saying the government is paying media companies to not publish negative stories about the jab?
Gotta say, as a media owner, that's pretty fanciful. If it's true then it's a hell of a bigger story to break than the actual jab news itself. Considering the diverse range of independent media on offer these days, plus social media - which has a bigger reach than all of the supposed "mainstream media", I really can't understand how these kinds of stories are being suppressed.
I have no idea what is going on. As a media owner i thought you would have an understanding?
Do you believe these adverse reactions are happening?
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-18/wa-school-students-threatened-by-...
An alleged comment is made by an 'alleged' anti vaxer without context of what the actual 'alleged' comment was. And the ABC is considered one of our highest trusted news sources?? How is this article any different from an anonymous facebook post from someone with their own agenda?
Thanks gsco.
So BD, you support intimidating students as thry come and go from school? Which is what is documented in the article, with photos. And if you can't tell the difference between factual reporting and random facebook posts, you need to sharpen up son before you're taken advantage of.
"supa, VL goes over the top but I was thinking more of the Dictator Dan brigade. My post referred specifically to threats against politicians, I can't recall VL making any of those."
the short memories, hypocrisy, and false moral superiority know no bounds...
astounding
to put it lightly
bluediamond wrote:https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-18/wa-school-students-threatened-by-...
An alleged comment is made by an 'alleged' anti vaxer without context of what the actual 'alleged' comment was. And the ABC is considered one of our highest trusted news sources?? How is this article any different from an anonymous facebook post from someone with their own agenda?
That specific incident is alleged but there's much more in the story than that.
It's a story primarily about anti-vax protests outside schools and vax clinics and that seems to be well established by the facts of the case.
burleigh wrote:thermalben wrote:burleigh wrote:thermalben wrote:Burleigh, what would you classify as MSM? And where would you expect this information to be reported/published?
news papers, radio, tv, but i think you're getting at the point that Social media is also a form of MSM.
There are countless fit, healthy humans that have been brought to their knees from this jab, and its never been reported in detail.
Do you think these fit healthy people deserve their story to be told? IMO yes, however doing so will undermine the governments Jab roll out. So their stories are not being told to the mass.Are you saying the government is paying media companies to not publish negative stories about the jab?
Gotta say, as a media owner, that's pretty fanciful. If it's true then it's a hell of a bigger story to break than the actual jab news itself. Considering the diverse range of independent media on offer these days, plus social media - which has a bigger reach than all of the supposed "mainstream media", I really can't understand how these kinds of stories are being suppressed.
I have no idea what is going on. As a media owner i thought you would have an understanding?
Do you believe these adverse reactions are happening?
As a media owner, I can confirm that I'm haven't been paid by the government to not run negative stories about the jab.
Do believe they've happened? Sure, yes they probably have. It's not altogether surprising following 20 million Australians receiving the jab that there have been isolated incidents. But, it's no different than the adverse effects I got from the flu jab, or the tetanus booster, or any of the other needles I've had over the last four and a half decades.
Is it newsworthy? I dunno. Most of the shit on TV isn't newsworthy these days. And most people under 35 don't watch TV anyway.. they get their news from social media. So they'll be across this news in some shape or form, albeit proportionality to the AI programmed echo chamber that's a by-product of their web browsing history.
What are you wanting to see? More coverage about this issue? Or more outrage? I don't really get it.
It seems seven days after final dose of a one or two dose treatment is needed to meet Australian government's definition of fully vaccinated. According to Dept of Home Affairs.
"At least 7 days must have passed since the final dose of vaccine in a course of immunisation for you to be considered fully vaccinated. Mixed doses count towards being fully vaccinated as long as all vaccines are approved or recognised by the TGA.
"If you have not been vaccinated with the above doses or schedule, you do not meet Australia’s definition of ‘fully vaccinated.’ This includes instances where the dosing schedule or vaccine eligibility differs in your country of origin."
https://covid19.homeaffairs.gov.au/travel-vaccinated-australians-and-per...
if you're protesting outside a school and harassing kids you're a fucking deadshit and need to have a loooong hard look at yourself
9th Jan Queen / Prince Royal Jabs
1st April Queen (2nd Dose) Prince's Deadline Vax has nothing to do with Prince's death!
9th April Duke {rip}
1st Oct Queen (Royal Waning Booster promo?) Wot!
19th Oct The Royal Technocratic Wankathon.
https://www.womanandhome.com/life/royal-news/the-queens-fans-outraged-af...
UK worst outbreak of millions & (World #1 wins WR Hand Shaking Comp.)
Queen / PM / World's rudest Pandemic CEO in a bare faced fleshpot Palace Romp.
Royal VIP Vaxerz mandating Intergalactic Pandemics!
20th Oct The Queen cancels events... decision is understood not to be related to coronavirus.
Buckingham Palace would not comment on whether the head of state had received her Booster Covid -19 jab, but given her age it's likely she already had it!
17th Nov - Queen's back looking well...(Cough!)...but it definitely wasn't Covid that did this to her.
https://pagesix.com/2021/11/17/queen-elizabeth-ii-resumes-royal-duties-a...
Gates : "Who gives a shit what I jabbed her with...Pandemic will be all over by mid 2022."
Scomo should get his $Gazillion refund on Booster Shuttles 104/105/106
Gates is already working on a bigger & better Pandemic...gonna need 1 million WHOvians!
https://www.afr.com/world/asia/virus-no-worse-than-flu-by-mid-2022-bill-...
No folks, its nothing to do with the protesters. Its the contents (or lack there of) of the 'news' article that seem confounding.
This is considered news? Which part of it?
If i allegedly say something in a public space, that no one can verify, is that news? Or just more inuendo to add to the...this one's for you Stu .."narrative"
Not forgetting,. this is the headline used, by the most reputable news service in Australia.
'Perth student receives alleged death threat as anti-vaxxer presence at schools ramps up'
Their words, not mine.
That's a bold headline on the front page of the most reputable news source in Australia.
I mean, it's a slippery slope really isn't it. As Australia's most reputable media source, I could pretty much print that somebody said something, even if they allegedly did or didn't. There's currently no hard evidence supporting it. So why is Australia's most reputable news source printing this on their front page? That is bad journalism, and a misrepresentation of events based on unknown (alleged) comments.
bluediamond wrote:I mean, it's a slippery slope really isn't it. As Australia's most reputable media source, I could pretty much print that somebody said something, even if they allegedly did or didn't. There's currently no hard evidence supporting it. So why is Australia's most reputable news source printing this on their front page? That is bad journalism, and a misrepresentation of events based on unknown (alleged) comments.
BD I think there is footage of the incident.
I focus, would have been great if added to the article!!
It comes down to the innocent til proven guilty law we apparently live by i guess?
I'm hopeful of seeing the footage, and the person who spoke these words, and their age, their background....etc..for context. Was it another kid expelled from the same school having a crack, was it a 'frontline antivaxxer', was it someone saying that by taking the vax, i may as well shoot you, same result,....what was the context, were they known to each other, was it someone sent in by another agency to create division. Too many unknown questions without answers to blatantly publish a divisive headline, but that's just my opinion and way of questioning anything related to the media at the moment.
This is an interesting read re: Facebook content feeds. I've not heard of the Citizen Browser project before, but at first glance the methodology appears to be sound.
https://themarkup.org/citizen-browser/2021/11/18/facebook-isnt-telling-y...
bluediamond I understand the point you're getting at and I think you're spot on in your observations, even if the example you presented isn't the most illustrative.
I think 9 out of 10 "news" articles we see in the online media aren't actually neutral, worthy "factual news" at all but instead are a mix of rumour, innuendo, speculation, fear mongering, advertising, infomercials, advertorials, opinion pieces, personal discrediting and undermining and defaming, industry and/or govt funded pieces pushing agendas, etc, all wrapped up in AI algorithms designed to personalise and target the "news" content and advertising to individual users in order to get us addicted and buying stuff and coming back for more day after day.
And the ABC is complete junk as well and is no less guilty of doing all this than say Australia's premier trash "news" website news.com.au, which I think is more akin to a bizarre and embarrassing mix of old-style print magazines like picture, people, women's weekly, women's day, girlfriend, cleo, cosmopolitan, etc...
In the end the online news media needs to make money either by funded articles or people clicking through their websites and buying stuff from advertisers. The news media needs to wake up every day and find a way to get lure people to their websites and then get them addicted to keep them coming back for more - must be a tough business!
And everything has an agenda. Nothing is neutral. The online news media has no obligation at all to present any neutral, factual based news reporting whatsoever.
I've said this before that I think the online news media (and social media) needs to have the delete button pressed on it and its role in society rethought.
Well that's a modest proposal. Just retructure global media! How about we declare world peace at the same time? From my perspective, while there are always issues of bias at some level the core issue is that many people have become so completely intolerant of opposing views that they are enraged to even encounter them and worse, believe that any attempt to explain or justify them must be the part of some heinous global conspiracy by "big pharma" or Bill Gates or ..........(enter favourite bogeyman). They then go on a hunt to find some source to support their view spawning an entire ecosystem.of disinformation, in many cases funded by those who stand to benefit in some way from it. Still you have to admire the work ethic of those who spend all day every day in a state of complete scepticism about everything but their distorted vision of reality.
BB yes world peace would be nice, thanks, great suggestion. And while you're at it, pls also sort out famine, inequality, pollution and climate change too, much appreciated.
Hang on, and in agreement with your point, if I so choose to believe it, then I can easily find enough supporting evidence online, which would even appear to hold up in a court of law, that climate change is not real, that it's one great big conspiracy.
Actually, and further to your point, I don't even need to "go on a hunt" for supporting views: I just need to click on one or two articles and leave the rest to the AI bots to bombard me with exactly what I want to hear.
Science is not decided in a court of law.
blindboy wrote:Science is not decided in a court of law.
Nowadays it seems to need to be.
Indeed I think you (and plenty of other people) have mentioned many times that the bulk of "science" that we get rammed in our faces on a daily basis is just government and privately funded "fabrication", with no factual basis or neutrality, designed to push commercial agendas.
I also believe that academia and "scientific" research and publishing needs to have the delete button pushed on it as well, its role on society rethought, and it reintroduced in "new" way. It's currently just a tool fuelling all the misinformation and propaganda.
Science is currently dead.
gsco, you have quite an agenda. Out goes the media, out goes science. Anything else? Better watch out for the babies and bathwater principle!
"Indeed I think you (and plenty of other people) have mentioned many times that the bulk of "science" that we get rammed in our faces on a daily basis is just government and privately funded "fabrication","
Mate, having spent 30 years teaching science, my views are the exact opposite; that the bulk of science, as published in reputable journals, can be trusted. The 'fabrication" you refer to is not science in any meaningful way but is widespread in fake "institutions" and "journals" that are fronts for the agenda of the fossil fuel industry and other vested interests. It is not science because they work back from a conclusion to find the "evidence" for it.
blindboy wrote:Well that's a modest proposal. Just retructure global media! How about we declare world peace at the same time? From my perspective, while there are always issues of bias at some level the core issue is that many people have become so completely intolerant of opposing views that they are enraged to even encounter them and worse, believe that any attempt to explain or justify them must be the part of some heinous global conspiracy by "big pharma" or Bill Gates or ..........(enter favourite bogeyman). They then go on a hunt to find some source to support their view spawning an entire ecosystem.of disinformation, in many cases funded by those who stand to benefit in some way from it. Still you have to admire the work ethic of those who spend all day every day in a state of complete scepticism about everything but their distorted vision of reality.
Pretty much sums up the anti vax nutjobs on here. Entertaining though!
blindboy wrote:the bulk of science, as published in reputable journals, can be trusted
I'm actually in complete agreement with you.
But this science that you're referring to is a tiny minuscule of the "science" that we're consuming on a daily basis from all forms of media, the private sector and from governments (they're also only human and routinely get things wrong, and also have their own agendas).
And from my past 15+ years of (casual/part-time) experience in academia, during which I've published papers in machine learning and quantitative finance in A-rated peer-reviewed international (so reputable) journals, I would estimate that the science that you're referring to is also a small proportion of the absolutely massive bulk of what's published by academia.
The academic research and publishing model is broken and basically dead, and I would suggest that this is well known and accepted in academia, and solutions to the issue are currently being discussed and mapped out. One is that there is beginning to be a better separation between research-only and teaching-only academics.
Publish or perish has been a problem for a long time but the cream still rises and most of the rest sinks rapidly out of sight. You are probably more familiar with the citation data than me but doesn't it show that relatively few papers dominate? The problem is that with the rise of social media and the easy availability of many papers online people search for material to support their existing views. So we see very poor quality research used to support issues like the use of ivermectin as a covid treatment. We also get the selective and innumerate quoting of publicly available statistics to support views that are not supported by a full analysis such as infection rates in the vaccinated vs unvaccinated. I don't see any real solution to these issues as with most possibilities the cure would likely be worse than the disease.
A new study provides more evidence about the beginning of the pandemic.
"A scientist who has pored over public accounts of early Covid-19 cases in China reported on Thursday that an influential World Health Organization inquiry had likely gotten the early chronology of the pandemic wrong. The new analysis suggests that the first known patient sickened with the coronavirus was a vendor in a large Wuhan animal market, not an accountant who lived many miles from it."
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/18/health/covid-wuhan-market-lab-leak.html
The original paper.
https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abm4454
I've created a spreadsheet forecast which I'll update as we go..
There's also a website with live running data.. https://sites.google.com/view/stayhomeaustralia