Vaccinate or not
burleigh wrote:old-dog wrote:I'm sorry to people like SR if I come across as dismissive and insensitive and believe it or not, I am all for transparency and accountability, and have an open mind, but you don't form a lynch mob and hang someone because you think they may have done it. You wait for the evidence. When I see some of the laughable links on these threads telling me that they lied to us, the pandemic was a hoax and just a sniffle so "THEY" could inject us with a death jab in a world wide conspiracy for depopulation. Or so "THEY" can control us and bring in a new world order, it turns you into a magnet, 5G, etc. etc. it gets me going a bit. These are the ones I say are anti science and should move on and get over themselves, not the many whose lives were impacted by the pandemic, it was a big deal.
There are many reasons for a 10% increase in deaths since the pandemic like cancelled surgeries, alcohol abuse, increase in mental illness, covid, the list goes on. All meds have side effects, and it would be remiss not to investigate what % can be linked to the jabs.
I was constantly insulted and called a bed wetter, scared of a little sniffle, and a good little sheep just for being one of the 90% of people who got the vaccinations.
Having my mum and in laws in their 90's in nursing homes is why I will never regret sparing a few minutes of my time to get the jab.
My dad was doing really well until he got covid and passed away within a week, this was before the vaccinations were rolled out, and if it got into a nursing home a large % of residents died.
Surely dismissing covid as just a sniffle and blaming everything bad since the pandemic on the vaccinations is an insult to the millions around the world who actually died from covid. The truth, whatever it is will eventually prevail, but it won't be from bloggers making a fortune on the net, it will be from proper scientific consensus. Cheers.Here's the problem old mutt "it turns you into a magnet, 5G, etc" nobody said this here. You've made this up to try discredit people with genuine concerns,
Elderly people die every day from all sorts of viruses including the flu, but i am sorry for your loss.
To use everyday elderly deaths to scare young fit, healthy people to take their poison was the biggest issue.
Premiers fronting the cameras every morning stating the number of deaths WITH covid (not from) was nothing more than a fear tactic and using deaths that would have occurred with any virus and even naturally.
Problem with some people like old dog is they don't think for themselves, grew up in a time where you didn't question Dr's etc, if you stubbed your toe you were off to the quack lol
My Dad is the same still getting boosters causes his Dr says he should. $$
Now they hear or read all the cooker storey's the main stream media put out so lump all anti or non vaxers in with them.
Everyone i know that didn't get jabbed are just normal people not into conspiracy theories etc.
Thinked for themselves instead of believing the politicians and so called science experts.
How do you know a politician is lying?
Their lips are moving.
truebluebasher wrote:
The Dill & Old Flog scream "LISTEN TO THE EXPERTS"...............
What about these experts Dill & flog?
Health Ministers will lend tbb a hand to review this week's Vic Covid Crisis.
1st April 2024 : Vic Report
Says : Flow on Pandemic effects are still being felt...
Victoria faces battle with Long Covid becoming more common.
At least 10% of infected have LC > Putting pressure on Health System
Long Term LC disabled for years > Rising number being unabled to work 15 hours / wk for 2 years.
Dr Esterman : Becoming so ill > Disabled / GPs are starting to worry!
[factcheck]
After several years of chronic disability therapy tbb takes 3 days to recover from a 2-3hr outing.
Dream of lying down forever...too weak to tidy or prepare a meal > wash wot > pick up wot?
Can't grip, raise an arm or stoop nor step a ladder or turn...Now 10km drive is another Planet away!
Brain Fog from Sarcophagus > Clocks Rust / Calendars turn to dust ...Use Monthly bill cycle for Alarm.
Simply standing torments every fibre of yer being...too exhausting to outlive that nightmare!
Never a diagnosis nor cures for 2 million on hold Outpatients > Long Covid will soon double that figure!
5th April 2024 :
Health Ministers are warning that impacts of Pandemic are still very much with us!
Fed Minister : "Pandemic lockdowns & Exhausted Workforce is keeping pressure high on Oz hospitals!"
Doctors are particularly concerned in Victoria with Budget pressure!
Vic Health Minister : "World / Oz Health Systems are still bearing the impacts of Covid!
Healthcare is more expensive here & around the World!
Patients present to our Hospitals Sicker & Staying Longer.
Focus is on Frontline Pressure Points!"
https://www.abc.net.au/listen/programs/radionational-breakfast/victoria-...
Concerns with current Ambo Ramping > Health Policy via phone calls > Further cutbacks!
Current Fed Govt Covid Prevention cost > Applies mostly to Mass Vaccinated Aged Care.
$960 / 8mths resident + 2x 6mth Boosters $400/AV $2,600 + 1 Flu Jab $20+ AV $40 = $4,000 each
Fed Health Minister has also petitioned for $1,300 AV Long Covid recovery doses! (Hooked on #1 Drug!)
To those claiming Covid is over > Feel free to convince our Fed Health Minister to cut record PBS spend!
Vic Aged Care
23 March 147 > 30th March 219 > 4th April 241 (So! Should Vic note the Outbreak or censor it?)
(Somebody call for censor!) Vic Covid Surveillance Report
Please Note due to Vic Health cutbacks > Covid Hospital Data is unavailable for 2 weeks & ...& ...right!
21st March : All crew can clearly see that Massive already 17 day old Covid Spike in Vic Wastewater
Due to Pandemic Health Cutbacks we'll skip next week's already further delayed Covid data as well.
Next reading for Alarmingly highest ever start point of Vic Covid WW spike is not until 19th April.
Likely comes with a min 2-3wks lag time, so please just let the Experts do the panicking for you!
As with NSW all are fighting like mad to bury current Covid data to cushion any outbreak!
Oz Experts cut Outbreak data then ramp on down slope to massage outbreaks. (Opposite to Flu Scares!)
Please don't worry 'bout the spike in Grom % getting hooked on AV in hospitals dying from long covid.
Sure it's just a phase and we're all praying that they'll grow out of it...so all good again this week!"
https://www.health.vic.gov.au/infectious-diseases/victorian-covid-19-sur...
Recapping : Just more of the same ongoing worsening disabling Covid Health Crisis again this week!
Sure...cue a cool tune to Massage the Message.
April 2024 : Australian Journal of General Practice. (VIP Posh Edition)
"Long Covid Sufferers can Take Heart"
There is a Concern that Vax might contribute to Long Covid > Giving Rise to Long Vax!
Spike Protein exhibits pathogenic characteristics (PASC) after Covid or Vax!
Covid Vax shares similar Toxic Spike effects as Virus!
2 or More Vax = More IgG4 = High IgG4 = More Autoimmune Diseases + Cancer Growth, Myocarditis... + Other Diseases adding clear implications to boosting relating to Long Covid...
Adding further to Public Health Official's Concerns!
Understanding persistence of viral mRNA & Viral protein and cellular pathological effects is required!
Vax was approved without Long Term safety Data so...
It's a tad too early to say it's the sole factor in Long Covid!
Anyhow wotz done is done > Experts are feverishly workin' on Nuke Peptides to Blast the fuck outta it!
Plus ya got #1 #2 Costly PBS Drugs @ $1,300 / dose to chase down yer free glug!
The finish repeats what tbb said > 2m Outpatients already in same boat with Treatment on 4 year hold.
Now Mass Vax looks set to add another 2 million to our growing Waste Pile of mass poisoned patients!
Anyhow...sure seems the cat is outta the bag...
Must've read dozens of Long Covid papers of late and all now square blame at Creepy Crawly live Vax!
All say Govts are backpedalling "Long Covid" Association to their growing Mass Vax Health Crisis.
Oz is drowning in Ticking Mutant Time Bombs that keep goin' off...
US Experts have gotta Nuke 'em / Pax 'em / Pep 'em or just plain shoot 'em the victims pray!
Wot a fuckin' mess we're in...mRNA is runnin' amok inside the Host carcass...likely last forever!
You Got Covid! You Got Covid! You Got Covid! Poor bastards are spinnin' outta control!
mRNA is greatest Hoax Mass experimental GOF crime in history & all Govts were in on it!
This is about the most Polished up market version tbb can find to share with Vaxerz.
Thought to ease it in slowly...not to ruffle feathers...looks like we're all goin' to hell & back!
All in this together...No winners here folks...just millions more tears from loved ones to be shed!
Reckon we can declare this nerdy VIP report is...testing the waters...breaking the news gently!
Pretty sure most of the crew were expecting this day would come...no more glossing over shitfuckery!
Crazy to think just a year or so ago such report would be banned & dude would lose his licence!
So we do have progress on that front...or did tbb speak too early...Gulp!
https://www1.racgp.org.au/ajgp/2024/april/long-covid-sufferers-can-take-...
If you took any number of these injections you are part of an ongoing experiment. If you did not you are part of the control group.
Thanks TBB
Not the best news but not unexpected , unfortunately .
Firstly , has Australia STOPPED injecting Children with this Shit .
Then we Deal with Treating Covid and Long and Longer Covid .
We need New Drugs , its seems ( not from Pfizer ) .
We have new and better Tests emerging for Lungs Internationally and Other countries must be looking 2 Treat their people .
The Company I support has a new lung test , that picks up Long Covid .
Its just another problem we have to Fix and Ensure , NEVER happens again .
FDA backed the wrong horse & pulls outta bad bet to backpedal fast!
21st Aug 2021 / FDA :"You're Not A horse...Stop it with the Ivermectin!"
6th Feb 2022 / 3 Physicians Sued FDA for illegal interference in Patient Care...drug prescription!
Judge : Threw out the case
1st Sept 2023 Case was reinstated returning it to original Judge/s for reconsideration
26th March 2024 / FDA : "We agree to [Delete] the childish Dopey Horse Jokes on all posts!"
FDA : "We also agree to back down & retire Advisory for Ivermectin re: To treat & prevent Covid!"
"We defend our decision to resolve this Lawsuit rather than litigate!"
(Comes with a really sucky dummy spit from an Expert FDA Groupie!)
Story argues that 3 Republican Judges were ready to roast FDA...Gates of Hell were opening up...
Journo is adamant that Ivermectin is useless against Covid...& this is a major FDA set back.
Haven't got the heart to tell the Dude that there's an even more Expert 3rd reason still in the race.
FDA need extra strength Horse Pills to mop up their massively dysfunctional Spike Protein!
So...be Ok to give Ivermectin the tick about now...perfect timing...so other experts are saying!
https://www.aol.com/news/column-fda-shoots-itself-foot-100032276.html
Here's a much briefer response by Plaintiffs on that same FDA Bad Bet.
https://www.biopharma-reporter.com/Article/2024/04/02/FDA-settles-iverme...
That's interesting TBB, so what's the latest research say on Ivermectin? Is it of no use at all or is there something in it? I get the whole idea that big pharma didn't want it in the picture and plenty of studies were going on around it but banning it outright always seemed over the top. Does it actually work or not?
There’s no crystal clear answer poo-man, and in regards to evidence based medicine there often isn’t.
The recently published Oxford trial (Principle) showed a signal of benefit to Ivermectin despite a litany of design faults in the trial, all seemingly structured to show the least benefit of the drug.
Ditto the Together trial.
Activ 6 and I-tech also both showed signals of benefit. Frustratingly the Together/Activ/I-tech were all just short of statistical significance due to being under powered ie not enough patients enrolled.
Yet all 4 trials in their conclusions stated there was no benefit to Ivermectin, as did the press releases associated with each trial.
These 4 trial were highly funded and published in major journals (except Principle, published in a second tier infectious diseases journal).
The vast majority of the other less well funded trials show a benefit.
There is very little evidence of harm, side effects or worse outcomes in any trial
Thanks tylerdurben
Your post highlights the problem with finding , a quick and effective treatment 4 Covid .
In my old role I chatted to Specialists trialing Cancer Drugs that looked very Safe and , potentially effective .
The FDA Process required SUCH a Low Dose ( testing for Safety ) Trial , that the Drugs had NO chance of working .
Their Drugs have 2 go through Three Major Trials , a minimum of 5 years and Millions of dollars .
I now don't Trust the FDA with Covid .
I am frightened to say the Term Fast Track Drugs .
Time WE looked Outside the USA , 4 guidance on how 2 treat our People 4 Covid and Long Covid .
The TGA , needs 2 follow a different Leader imho .
All the doctors around the world that successfully treated patients for covid with ivermectin all had one thing in common. They didn’t just use ivermectin, they used a combination therapy . Some of the trials tyler mentioned were a joke in that patients weren’t give a sufficient dose for their weight , over 90 kg got the same dose as 65 kg . They were designed to fail . Have a look at some of the companies that funded these trials and who is the major player, the same major player was heavily invested in vaccines for covid but then took the money and ran . Safe & effective will never be the same .
Crew are calling for answers on AV therapy > Answers vary by Individuals.
Around 20% of population have defective immunity no matter what treatment / vax.
Basically Covid / Vax exposes the real sub set of Chronic Outpatients from 5% > 20%.
World will need to treat an ongoing 20% Dysfunctional Population from Vax / Virus!
These can be elite Vaxed / non vaxed > Athletes / Academics / Pilots / Doctors ...
Dr John & Professor Clancy + Geert speak on Long Vax / Covid
The topic of conversation hones in on Post Viral Infection Fatigue (Immune Process).
Speaks about folk lacking stores IgG2 + Short Change Fatty Acids
Possibility to transfer or shape Diet to increase immunity to self clear Post Viral infection.
This immune system repair should equally restore their ability to fight off Post Viral symptoms.
Same reason to take antivirals to check repeated mutational expressed dysfunctional Spike Protien.
At this stage for mopping up or slowing the Dysfunctional mRNA Spike effect until better cures emerge!
tbb will bookmark important points for Vaccinated to check in...
Concerns the "Adaptive Dysfunctional Expression of Spike Protein that exhausts host's defences!"
tbb thinks it's fair to tee up info for Mass Vax > perplexed by growing numbers of Long Covid!
All can see it's the talk of the town but few are sharing the science behind why this is...
Clearly the easiest access scientific (Pod / Vid) reviews of "Current" dysfunctional Mass vaccinated
Recommend to watch both vids in full...but for different scientific reasons...
Geert focuses on mRNA Immunity process > Dr Clancy focuses on Natural / Varied Immune Process
Mostly coz both current vidz offer widest varied exploration...no holds barred opinions!
Both speak openly from the heart to humanize ongoing Covid science!
Salute the Whole show (Not Anti Vax but Pro old school open Science Lessons)
Lazy / Easy fast track versions...
[19:30] Geert : "Status of current Vaccinated immune System!"
https://kunstler.com/podcast/kunstlercast-398-dr-geert-vanden-bossche-an...
Mirrored Explanation of bastardized ongoing Long Vax crisis.
[10:20] Pr Clancy on Long Vax / Covid
Can you even imagine the media attention if the millions of excess deaths around the world were remotely attributable to being unvaccinated?
More Australians have died from unexplained excess deaths post covid era than people have been killed in the Israel / Palestine war. Crazy, crazy stuff.
I'm wondering where the credible evidence is that "millions of excess deaths around the world" are attributable to being vaccinated.
AndyM wrote:I'm wondering where the credible evidence is that "millions of excess deaths around the world" are attributable to being vaccinated.
A lot of people are wondering exactly that, Andy. Just like they’re wondering why the media remains determinedly uncurious as to why millions of people are suddenly dying without explanation since the issuing of the vaccine. The death of 30,000 in a war in Gaza occupies the paper every single day but the spontaneous onset of millions of cases of untimely and inexplicable mortality across all health and age spectrums has been given a wide berth.
Are you not curious Andy? Are you so determined to approach everything with a preset belief system that you aren’t willing to consider the possibility that 5he vaccines have anything to do with it?
Also noted is the way the entire public discourse over the origins of covid has disappeared. There was never an established origin and yet the reason the entire globe was shuttered doesn’t seem worth pursuing?
So we have no media interest in where Covid actually came from and why millions of people are currently dying. Nothing to see here, mate.
It’s obvious that if you haven’t read about it in the papers or seen it on the news then nothing of note must be happening. Sure.
I’m actually disappointed that you still think the medical establishment which was responsible for the entire covid issue isn’t self investigating. You may as well be waiting around for Dick Cheyney to announce his desire for an investigation into the basis for the invasion of Iraq and the deaths of a million people when their civilisation was destroyed.
To be honest, Andy. I don’t think you actually wonder about any of it beyond taking a couple of minutes to poke those who do think about it. Do you jus5 here the trite pseudo explanations such as “alcohol consumption went up during lockdown, medical checks missed “ or do you genuinely ever think….” Hmmm…millions and millions of people dying across the globe in an unexplained pattern commencing from a certain period in history. A wave of death that if was somehow associated with climate change would have entire cities gridlocked with protests by panicked populations. Surely that would be the most pressing concern today? “
Nope. There no hype from the media so it vanishes of your mental radar if it ever got there in the first place.
I do wonder.
I see plenty of highly reputable institutions saying there’s no credible evidence or link, and that’s not even including the TGA, because I appreciate that they could be seen as conflicted.
But I haven’t seen any credible evidence the other way, they’re all seem to be quacks and people mining for clicks on social media.
AndyM wrote:I do wonder.
I see plenty of highly reputable institutions saying there’s no credible evidence or link, and that’s not even including the TGA, because I appreciate that they could be seen as conflicted.
But I haven’t seen any credible evidence the other way, they’re all seem to be quacks and people mining for clicks on social media.
Care to share a couple of your highly reputable institutions and their opinions on the matter? I’m just as interested in which institutions you wouldn’t consider conflicted after the covid fiasco.
They’re all in cahoots, every last one of them bought and paid for.
Every country worldwide.
Scientists, universities, health organisations, governments.
Your fall back facetiousness is getting pretty boring.
Constantly thinking you’re being clever by labelling everything and anything that goes against your personal beliefs as fantasy and unworthy of you explaining your claims is ghey.
The idea that the integrity of an institution or institutions is beyond doubt is laughable. The government, corporations and media in Australia would have you believe that mass immigration has little to no impact on the Australian housing crisis and you immediately know they are telling porky pies , yet you seem to wholeheartedly believe that they are utterly honest on other occasions.
Fucked if I understand your thinking.
There is readily available evidence that scientists, University, health organisations and governments have already told complete untruths and censored inconvenient facts during the covid farce. Yet now you hold them up as unimpeachably credible? Bizarre.
Lots of info on excess death info here:
https://www.actuaries.digital/2023/03/06/almost-20000-excess-deaths-for-...
- spikes in excess deaths tend to coincide with covid spikes (undiagnosed covid)
It does not seem to link much to the timing of the roll out of vaccinations.
It does seem to reflect the problems caused by lockdowns:
- delayed medical care
- less pre-emptive early diagnosis
Also displacement of deaths - oldies who might of died in 2021 in a normal flu season were "locked away" and lived another year till flu / covid came along which created spikes in 2022.
Pretty thorough analysis.
From my reading, the vaccine is not super safe (especially multiple doses - can overload the immune response) or, more importantly, that effective. But lockdowns were the major negative forthe world.
Now that governments are being successfully sued for maybe, perhaps putting the lives of people at risk of climate change scenarios that maybe, perhaps, probably will never even fcuking happen ….I guess it’s a walk in the park to sue governments for the actual and very real deaths, poverty and social destruction wrought by their behaviour during the covid farce.
If tens of thousands of Australians are dying from lockdowns then it’s an easier case to try than the potential death of an abstract person from an unlikely event at an indeterminate time in an unknowable future related to inaction on climate change . Yet somehow I don’t think the Western nation’s operate that way anymore…
The fix is in
https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/landmark-court-ruling-finds-switzerl...
Slackjawedyokel wrote:Your fall back facetiousness is getting pretty boring.
Constantly thinking you’re being clever by labelling everything and anything that goes against your personal beliefs as fantasy and unworthy of you explaining your claims is ghey.
The idea that the integrity of an institution or institutions is beyond doubt is laughable. The government, corporations and media in Australia would have you believe that mass immigration has little to no impact on the Australian housing crisis and you immediately know they are telling porky pies , yet you seem to wholeheartedly believe that they are utterly honest on other occasions.
Fucked if I understand your thinking.There is readily available evidence that scientists, University, health organisations and governments have already told complete untruths and censored inconvenient facts during the covid farce. Yet now you hold them up as unimpeachably credible? Bizarre.
My neighbor is a medical professor long time researcher gets invited to top uni's etc around the world to present currently head of one of the Australian medical schools, I ask him about this stuff all the time.
He is critical of many things in the medical world due to politics, behavior and a whole lot of other stuff some far worse than your view but what you are describing is more clickbait than reality although often mixed with a grain of truth.
….your claims is ghey.
Claim is ghey or claims are ghey? Either way you’re just ghey. :-)
You don’t need to be a medical authority to witness the lies being exposed in real time in full view of the public.
It’s not click bait to point out that lies were told that destroyed the credibility of public institutions. The only contention remaining is where these lies originated and why those lies were told in the first place.
Example :
* Who is responsible for the decision to lie to the Australian population about the ability of the vaccine to prevent infection and transmission?
*Who is responsible for the decision to lockdown Australia? Who provided the medical justification?
*Who provided the legal advice that coercion for a medical procedure wasn’t in breach of human rights ?
*Who provided the government with the advice to lock people in their homes ?
There are individuals and institutions responsible for these crimes and they need to be held to account.
Slackjawedyokel wrote:You don’t need to be a medical authority to witness the lies being exposed in real time in full view of the public.
It’s not click bait to point out that lies were told that destroyed the credibility of public institutions. The only contention remaining is where these lies originated and why those lies were told in the first place.
Example :
* Who is responsible for the decision to lie to the Australian population about the ability of the vaccine to prevent infection and transmission?*Who is responsible for the decision to lockdown Australia? Who provided the medical justification?
*Who provided the legal advice that coercion for a medical procedure wasn’t in breach of human rights ?
*Who provided the government with the advice to lock people in their homes ?
There are individuals and institutions responsible for these crimes and they need to be held to account.
No need for the hyperventilation as the data exists for of most the questions above and are in the public domain as are the mistakes along with the reasoning behind them.
Whether you or I agree or not is opinion.
Next time I see the professor I'll ask about the excess deaths thing seems on the surface to be an easy study to do.
All that is pretty accessible public information.
Most of the nuts and bolts of it (expert committees who advised on courses of action) is here.
frog wrote:Lots of info on excess death info here:
https://www.actuaries.digital/2023/03/06/almost-20000-excess-deaths-for-...
- spikes in excess deaths tend to coincide with covid spikes (undiagnosed covid)It does not seem to link much to the timing of the roll out of vaccinations.
It does seem to reflect the problems caused by lockdowns:
- delayed medical care
- less pre-emptive early diagnosisAlso displacement of deaths - oldies who might of died in 2021 in a normal flu season were "locked away" and lived another year till flu / covid came along which created spikes in 2022.
Pretty thorough analysis.
From my reading, the vaccine is not super safe (especially multiple doses - can overload the immune response) or, more importantly, that effective. But lockdowns were the major negative forthe world.
General agreement.
I expect actuaries are well worth listening to.
And agree with your last paragraph.
I'd stand up against future lockdowns while being pro-vax.
@SJY
"Your fall back facetiousness is getting pretty boring."
Haha, cos you're such a straight shooter!
freeride76 wrote:All that is pretty accessible public information.
Most of the nuts and bolts of it (expert committees who advised on courses of action) is here.
But, but, they're all on the take from big pharma.
I saw it on Tik Tok.
If you could just provide the names of the individual( s) responsible for initially suggesting that the government should lie about the vaccine’s ability to prevent transmission and infection that’d be great.
As it’s so easily available.
And also the name of the first person who suggested the illegal coercion and mandating of the vaccine. Same with who is responsible for the generation of the “ herd immunity “ through vaccination lie.
I’d also appreciate where it shows on the publicly available information how these individuals were permitted to overwhelm the opposition which must have been forthcoming when they failed to provide any scientific or medical evidence to support their illegal and unprecedented suggestions.
Thanks
“But, but, they're all on the take from big pharma.
I saw it on Tik Tok.”
You didn’t see it on Tik Tok, you saw it the news back when it was publicly accepted to reveal the disgusting behaviour of the pharmaceutical industry. That was before the owners of the media became owners of the pharmaceutical companies and vice versa.
The Pharma industry has been the recipients of the largest corporate fines in the history of the planet. And you’ll never guess who they were bribing ….government official and medical authorities.
But, but….Andy didn’t see it in the Ballina local paper so it doesn’t ever happen and never will happen.
Fucks sake bloke….look up Ursula Andress organising the EU’s vaccine contract over text with the CEO of Pfizer and the texts never being witnessed . This was after the Pfizer CEO publicly said that the vaccine was 100% effective in preventing transmission and infection.
But Andy said it was all above board !
The people who made decision about the safety and efficacy about the vaccines are here.
Chair
Professor Kristine Macartney is an infectious diseases specialist clinician. She is the current Director of the National Centre for Immunisation Research & Surveillance, a paediatric infectious diseases specialist at The Children's Hospital at Westmead, and Professor in the Discipline of Paediatrics and Child Health, University of Sydney. She is the senior technical editor of the Australian Immunisation Handbook, senior lead of AusVaxSafety and have specialist skills across vaccines, immunisation policy and programs, epidemiology and research. Professor Macartney is also a member of the World Health Organisation Global Advisory Committee on Vaccine Safety. Professor Macartney provides expertise in the fields of vaccinology, adverse events surveillance, infectious diseases, virology, epidemiology and paediatrics.
Members
Dr Satyamurthy Anuradha is a public health physician with special interest in communicable disease control and immunisation. She has experience in leading the immunisation programs in Queensland, including addressing issues related to adverse events following immunisation, vaccine hesitancy and the School Immunisation Program. Dr Anuradha provides expertise in virology, infectious diseases, epidemiology, immunisation and public health.
Professor Jim Buttery is a paediatric infectious diseases clinician at the Royal Children's Hospital in Melbourne. Professor Buttery serves as the Head of Epidemiology and Surveillance for SAEFVIC and the inaugural Chair in Child Health Informatics at the University of Melbourne. He is currently serving on the Victorian Immunisation Advisory Committee and is a member of the Scientific Committee of the Brighton Collaboration. Professor Buttery provides expertise in infectious diseases in children, epidemiology, vaccine program implementation, and paediatrics.
Dr Jeanine Bygott is a medical practitioner with a specialty in microbiology and experience in travel medicine clinics in Australia and Ireland. Currently a consultant medical microbiologist at Sullivan Nicolaides Pathology, a private pathology laboratory in Queensland, she provides advice to general practitioners on the administration of vaccines. She has completed a Master of Public Health and Tropical Medicine and a Diploma Course in Vaccinology at the Pasteur Institute in Paris. She is also a Fellow of the Royal Australasian College of Pathologists in medical microbiology and virology. Dr Bygott provides expertise in bacteriology, virology, and the provision of immunisation treatment by an individual.
Ms Madeline Hall is a Nurse Practitioner specialising in vaccine preventable diseases with a special interest in vaccine safety. She has extensive experience in vaccine preventable diseases and is involved in advanced health assessments and risk screening of adults with specific vaccination requirements, such as persons who have had a previous serious or unexpected adverse event following immunisation, immuno-compromised persons, and those at occupational risk. Ms Hall is a member of ATAGI and a member of the Adverse Events Following Immunisation - Clinical Assessment Network. Ms Hall provides expertise in the fields of provision of immunisation treatment by an individual and nursing.
Associate Professor Ines Rio is a specialist general practitioner with several postgraduate medical qualifications relevant to the provision of clinical care and the optimisation of healthcare systems. Over the past two decades, Associate Professor Rio has combined her clinical work as a general practitioner with medical advisory, health care system governance and reform and leadership roles. Associate Professor Rio has extensive experience in Board and high-level committee work, including membership on the Victorian Human Research Ethics Committee, the Medical Board of Victoria and in advisory committees for the Federal and Victorian Health Departments. Her current substantial roles in health care system governance and reform include being Chair of the Board of North Western Melbourne PHN (and Chair of its Clinical Council) and roles in the Federal and Victorian Australian Medical Association. Associate Professor Rio provides expertise in the fields of public health, vaccine program implementation and the provision of immunisation treatment by an individual.
Dr Vicky Sheppeard is a public health physician specialising in communicable disease control. Her current role is Director, Public Health Unit for South Eastern Sydney Local Health District with responsibilities including communicable disease control and provision of the adolescent vaccination program across the District of almost 1 million residents. Previously Vicky was Director of the NSW Communicable Diseases Branch and the NSW representative on Communicable Disease Network Australia and deputy chair of the National Immunisation Committee. Dr Vicky Sheppeard provides expertise in the fields of communicable disease control and in vaccine program implementation.
Professor Adrienne Torda is a physician specialising in infectious diseases. She is a senior staff specialist in the Department of Infectious Diseases at the Prince of Wales Hospital, Sydney and an Professor in the Faculty of Medicine, UNSW Sydney. She has a PhD, a Graduate Diploma of Bioethics, is an Associate Fellow of the Australia and New Zealand Association of Health Professional Educators and is a Senior Fellow of the Higher Education Academy. Her research interests include translational research topics such as vaccine coverage in vulnerable populations and diabetic foot infections. She is involved in a number of medical education research projects, examining the impact of educational innovations in medicine. From 2004 to 2007 she was a member of the National Influenza Pandemic Committee. Professor Torda provides expertise in infectious diseases in adults and children.
Professor Joseph Torresi is an infectious diseases physician, virologist and an international leader in hepatitis, travel medicine and vaccinations and multi-centre collaborative research. He has over 20 years of experience as a molecular virologist with expertise in vaccine research and clinical trials, hepatitis B and C virology, dengue, influenza and SARS CoV2 vaccine development. Professor Torresi is a current board member of the International Society of Travel Medicine (ISTM) Foundation, a member of the Healthscope National Medical Council and a Fellow of the International Society of Travel Medicine, the Faculty of Travel Medicine of the Royal College of Physicians and Surgeons of Glasgow. He currently heads the Hepatitis and Virology Vaccine Research laboratory in the Department of Microbiology and Immunology at the Peter Doherty Institute, the University of Melbourne. Professor Torresi provides expertise in immunology, virology and vaccine program implementation.
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Ursula Andress the actress??
Most of the decision making and clinical trials which informed that decision making is here.
https://immunisationhandbook.health.gov.au/contents/vaccine-preventable-...
Big pharma and the various power drunk fear merchants (some well meaning, many with more sinister motives) were behind shifting the goal posts on vaccination from:'
- reasonable and achieveable levels (70 to 80 per cent was the word in most of 2020) that did not need massive fear campaigns and legal compulsion to achieve, to a total compliance goal which split society and created a long lasting distrust as well as providing the impetus to go full lockdown.
- reasonable longstanding WHO recommended "flatten the curve" public health measures to ridiculous over-reaction, unachieveable and very hamful zero covid goals that led to lockdowns with a multitude of poor health, economic, mental health, job loss, exponential public debt and health expert credibility outcomes.
Means, motive and opportunity exisited in spades for the above among certain well connected big Pharma players and their captured government advocates (synchophants) - that is indisputable.
Mass vaccination programs served as the fuel to power the rocket of lockdown policy and to distort reality so rational disucssion of differing policy measures became impossible.
No conspiracy needed - just a once a century "never waste a crisis" business opportunity of almost unimaginable scale and simplicity.
People forget there was an unfolding worldwide public health emergency…things were done that with hindsight were wrong. Many mistakes were made.
The eggsperts in criticism and armed with a knowledge only known after the event now believe they were right all along. They were clowns previous and they are clowns still.
Roadkill, Not so.
The information needed to pivot from massive fear and lockdown policy was there by mid 2020 from a couple of sources. Notably the Diamond Princess quarantine in Japan for 27 days provided a very effective laboratory to study in real time the sickness and mortality rates for covid.
Based on that data it should have been approached like another flu that was most harmful to elderly and some other groups.
Hindsight was a reasonable arguement until mid to late 2020. Plenty of data after that which conflicted deeply with lockdown and 100 % vaccination policy. On the extreme, the policy of mass vaccinating children never had any data to support it.
I have provided links before on this.
lol some still sticking up for the vax and those that ordered it.
Fools.
freeride76 wrote:Most of the decision making and clinical trials which informed that decision making is here.
https://immunisationhandbook.health.gov.au/contents/vaccine-preventable-...
You are so wide of the point here that it’s amazing, Freeride.
I keep referring to KNOWN FALSEHOODS aka LIES that were peddled by formerly respected institutions within Australia amd around the world.
I’ll simplify again .
There was never a credible claim that the vaccines prevented transmission or infection of the virus. The vaccine was not even tested to see whether it prevented transmission or infection as it was not designed to prevent transmission or infection.
Yet somehow and for some reason virtually all governmental and institutional authority promoted the lie that the vaccines prevented transmission and infection. They also censored claims and evidence to the contrary.
Please show me who is responsible for promoting the fraudulent science which underpinned the entire edifice of lies. Who was it and who was paying them to subjugate the truth?
Remember when the entire East coast was in lockdown until we had 80% vaccinated so we could have herd immunity? Yeah…that was based on a lie. On fraudulent scientific claims. Herd immunity never existed. The authorities knew herd immunity could never exist because they knew the vaccines didn’t prevent transmission or infection. This is institutional fraud. It’s not a mistake. It was a lie promoted as fact by people who had authority to control our lives. Like a hundred other examples. Someone knew this to be a lie and promoted it at the expense of the truth.
In the US they literally changed the literal scientific definition of a vaccine to enable the fraud.
Crazy how much of this is publicly known and establishes a prima facie case of fraud on a huge scope. It’s actually the scale of the fraud and deception that the credulous throw back at you as proof that such a fraud couldn’t exist. Crazy stuff.
Who was it and who paid them to do so?
I just disagree it was an entire edifice of lies, or fraudulent or whatever terms you use.
You can read plenty of the science if you like.
Things changed quickly, the virus evolved quickly. The science evolved.
The rules changed quickly.
I don't have any doubt the high vaccination rate reduced the severe disease burden, as it was supposed to.
https://www.bmj.com/content/376/bmj.o298
Trying to find this evil doing bureaucrat who peddled falsehoods to lock you away just sound like paranoid thinking style to me.
Cognitive dissonance: The mental conflict that occurs when beliefs or assumptions are contradicted by new information. The unease or tension that the conflict arouses in people is relieved by one of several defensive maneuvers: they reject, explain away, or avoid the new information.
Occam’s Razor is a philosophical tool for ‘shaving off’ unlikely explanations. Essentially, when faced with competing explanations for the same phenomenon, the simplest is likely the correct one.
Ad hominem fallacy is an attempt to discredit someone’s argument by personally attacking them instead of discussing the argument itself, criticism is directed toward the opponent’s character, which is irrelevant to the discussion.
Appeal to emotion fallacy occurs when someone tries to convince another person by evoking their feelings rather than providing evidence.
Straw man fallacy is the distortion of someone else’s argument to make it easier to attack or refute. Instead of addressing the actual argument of the opponent.
The sunk cost fallacy is the tendency for people to continue an endeavor or course of action even when abandoning it would be more beneficial. Because we have invested our time, energy, or other resources, we feel that it would all have been for nothing if we quit.
Matthew 15:14 - Leave them; they are blind. If the blind lead the blind, both will fall into a pit.”
Slackjawedyokel wrote:You are so wide of the point here that it’s amazing, Freeride.
I keep referring to KNOWN FALSEHOODS aka LIES that were peddled by formerly respected institutions within Australia amd around the world.
I’ll simplify again .
There was never a credible claim that the vaccines prevented transmission or infection of the virus. The vaccine was not even tested to see whether it prevented transmission or infection as it was not designed to prevent transmission or infection.
Blowin do you have a reference for those claims?
Roadkill wrote:People forget there was an unfolding worldwide public health emergency…things were done that with hindsight were wrong. Many mistakes were made.
The eggsperts in criticism and armed with a knowledge only known after the event now believe they were right all along. They were clowns previous and they are clowns still.
Much easier to remain a fool hey Dill?
freeride76 wrote:I just disagree it was an entire edifice of lies, or fraudulent or whatever terms you use.
You can read plenty of the science if you like.
Things changed quickly, the virus evolved quickly. The science evolved.
The rules changed quickly.
I don't have any doubt the high vaccination rate reduced the severe disease burden, as it was supposed to.https://www.bmj.com/content/376/bmj.o298
Trying to find this evil doing bureaucrat who peddled falsehoods to lock you away just sound like paranoid thinking style to me.
Huh?
The vaccine was never designed to,prevent transmission or infection of any strain of the virus. Not a single one. The virus didn’t evolve to evade the vaccine, the vaccines never ever prevented transmission or infection.
Every claim that it did was fraudulent. Every derivative claim was fraudulent ie herd immunity through vaccination.
The science didn’t evolve, it was perverted and corrupted almost from the start.
Geez….not sure how you can mentally avoid confronting this reality? Strange thing is you’re not even tap dancing around it with refuted arguments ,you’re just point blank saying “ I don’t think that’s how the world works “ despite glaring evidence to the contrary.
OK mate …here’s an indisputable fact that I’ve already repeated a ridiculous number of times.
The vaccines dont prevent transmission and infection and were never designed to do so.
This is a fact. It’s always been a fact from day one till now.
How can you say the science has changed or the virus has evolved in relation to trying to mitigate the wholesale way in which the entire covid response was built around the fraudulent claim that the vaccines did prevent transmission and infection?
It’s like you’re saying “ Oh yeah….we know now that you can’t breath underwater if you think happy thoughts but that’s only because water has evolved and the science on happy thinking has changed.”
Talking about this with people so devoted to blind and unshakable trust in authority is like trying to explain that Santa doesn’t exist to someone who’s used to finding presents under the tree every year. You have proof that Santa exists otherwise there’d be no presents!
I was a little shocked at Alan Joyce (CEO Qantas) announcement that international travelers will be required to have a covid 19 vaccination in order to travel on Qantas flights . The government wanted to have mandatory vaccination but after the bumbling of its release ( it was painful to watch the delivery of that announcement ) they withdrew the mandatory part but it seems Qantas and other business may demand a vaccination in order to use their services. I’m not anti vaccine by any means I just don’t trust this government or a vaccine that has been rushed through. A jab followed by another jab followed by yearly jabs doesn’t sit well with me as I have never had a flu shot or the flu for more than 20 years. Plus I don’t want to give this shot to my healthy 4 year old daughter. She is up to date with all her vaccinations but this covid vaccine is new and not being around for decades like the others. Tuberculosis remains the number one as far diseases go and you don’t need proof of vaccination to travel so what is going on ?