Vaccinate or not
You're confusing the science with pretty much everything else.
It's sad how since covid the SN forums have become a magnet for clueless anti science recalcitrant narcissists. They actually believe they know more than the entire scientific world because of what they have read on Facebook etc. They can't even see that they are the brainwashed delusional ones. Yesterday I saw a bunch of dirty hippies protesting about Govt. control and vaccines and one young bird had a sign that said stop the climate engineering with a picture of a jet "chemtrail."
You have to laugh.
Slackjawedyokel wrote:Lol
You’ve never seen a single shred of evidence Andy. You are going off what the news told you. Seriously mate …prove me wrong. Show your belief is based on anything higher than appeals to authority.
How’s that work out? Remember the last time you were told the “science was settled “? Think it was during the Winter of death for the unvaccinated…..lolol
Hahah have you had this screenshot tucked away for almost 3 years? Ready for the right occasion.
The funny thing is, seems to me that screen shot works against the big fella's argument.
While on topic, any updates from morticians about the glued up arteries from the vaccine? That was a big worry from the anti mob, fair enough frightening stuff!
Rumour seems to have run its course.
old-dog wrote:It's sad how since covid the SN forums have become a magnet for clueless anti science recalcitrant narcissists. They actually believe they know more than the entire scientific world because of what they have read on Facebook etc. They can't even see that they are the brainwashed delusional ones. Yesterday I saw a bunch of dirty hippies protesting about Govt. control and vaccines and one young bird had a sign that said stop the climate engineering with a picture of a jet "chemtrail."
You have to laugh.
You came here with your evidence from a receptionist.
I was reading about how big pharma in conjunction with Bill Gates and they ( still don’t know who they are) was responsible for Covid. ??????
Oh, actually I wasn’t reading that as that conspiracy hasn’t aged well.
This was my favourite.
The biggest and most popular Covid-19 myth was that the new vaccine fundamentally changes people’s DNA.
This was absolute GOLD.
Every truly great scientist in history found a flaw in the “settled science” and was criticised by the mainstream.
Are all the believers on here boosted up? Winter is coming and the virus known as covid19 is still rampant.
Or are youse waiting for advice from the eggspurts?
Guess it’s no longer the current thing…
Hello Michael
U are very right but I do wonder if there was a More Enlightened Age .
I saw a doco a while back where All The Greatest Minds met up to Chat about the " settled Science " .
Albert Einstein was there and HE was on the "settled Science Side " with other .
On the Other side were some very smart people who freaked Einstein out , as it Stuffed with All his theories .
At this meeting of about 60 people , there was a Official Photo , half of the attendees would win Noble Prizes for Stuff .
One side was proposing Nuclear , protons not appearing till they do Type Stuff .
Einstein spent the Whole time asking the other Side Questions .
Trying to Blow Up their Theory .
Each time , the main smarty pants would give him Their answer , to Einsteins question .
Each time , Einstein said , Shit , good answer .
This happened time and time again .
Einstein never did prove Them wrong and was really pissed , apparently .
They didn't have the Church Involved , in this debate , or Big Pharma .
Times have changed , the Main Stream V The Rest .
old-dog wrote:It's sad how since covid the SN forums have become a magnet for clueless anti science recalcitrant narcissists. They actually believe they know more than the entire scientific world because of what they have read on Facebook etc. They can't even see that they are the brainwashed delusional ones. Yesterday I saw a bunch of dirty hippies protesting about Govt. control and vaccines and one young bird had a sign that said stop the climate engineering with a picture of a jet "chemtrail."
You have to laugh.
Old dog showing his age lol,, your on a surfing forum bud, age is just in the mind
Roadkill wrote:This was my favourite.
The biggest and most popular Covid-19 myth was that the new vaccine fundamentally changes people’s DNA.
This was absolute GOLD.
lol you having a GOLD, your mummy getting covid in the cafe from the unvaxed and you going to kill them, that was GOLD hahah
Gosh , Old dog , I thought U had said that , and popped off and roady hasn't caught up .
U2 still have your head stuck in the sand like two silly ostrich 's , waving your bums in the air .
Stuck in Guardian Quick sand . or looking at Facebook , 4 the latest , non MSM , News .
Boys , U both Proved during Covid and now , after the Truth has come Out , U still have NFI , about Covid .
U think its fn funny to use words like "fundamentally" change DNA .
Guys , Fundamentally , you couldn't fn define a Molecule ,
Go away silly Big Yellow Birds , or grow a Back Bone and Man up to dealing with this ongoing , problem , pretty please , wit a Tweet on Top !
Roady , I have seen the Stuff U said during Covid .
4U , 2 come on THIS Thread now , and make silly jokes about what was said and done during Covid , is just wrong and a fn disgrace imho .
Mate , the gall !
On a more positive note , I have been chatting with a few people in the Travel Industry , local and o/s .
They all said business and Tours , are STILL back to 2019 , Pre Covid levels .
@ pops, no need to be so rude, I just follow, and put my trust in the experts who have devoted their lives to studying this stuff not Karen on Facebook. You are entitled to your opinions but I'm pretty sure most people couldn't give a toss what you believe. If you want to believe in everything from "chemtrails" to immune destroying death jabs go for your life but don't lecture me about it as I don't care enough to get into a back and forth with idiots. End of story.
And another thing, this is a surfing website, I don't come on here to see the latest conspiracy theories. You need to go for a surf old man.
Old dawg’s going back to the ol’ TV to await further instruction….
To boost or not to boost?
Why the fuck would I boost, it's all over and I never even got it. You guys really need to move on like the rest of the world.
It’s absolute tripe for anyone to suggest that Covid vaccines can change your DNA, period.
Take a journey inside a human cell , its nucleus and other organelles, it’s simply not possible.
Covid vaccines are manufactured from fragments of single strand mRNA, (messenger RNA), very different in a vast way to DNA. Get over it, home scientists.AW
Thankyou AW, a true voice of reason.
old-dog wrote:Why the fuck would I boost, it's all over and I never even got it. You guys really need to move on like the rest of the world.
But you already did
AlfredWallace wrote:It’s absolute tripe for anyone to suggest that Covid vaccines can change your DNA, period.
Take a journey inside a human cell , its nucleus and other organelles, it’s simply not possible.
Covid vaccines are manufactured from fragments of single strand mRNA, (messenger RNA), very different in a vast way to DNA. Get over it, home scientists.AW
Nobody here suggest that.
burleigh wrote:AlfredWallace wrote:It’s absolute tripe for anyone to suggest that Covid vaccines can change your DNA, period.
Take a journey inside a human cell , its nucleus and other organelles, it’s simply not possible.
Covid vaccines are manufactured from fragments of single strand mRNA, (messenger RNA), very different in a vast way to DNA. Get over it, home scientists.AW
Nobody here suggest that.
You did, Karen, you also agreed with the glued up arteries and posted youtube evidence. Also blaming multiple deaths on the vaccines along with YouTube evidence. Also blaming brain aneurysms and Bell’s palsy along with, you guessed it, you tube evidence.
The list goes on and on and was always posted with accompanying YouTube evidence from shady unqualified fucking idiots.
Now here you are walking it all back. Funny stuff.
burleigh wrote:AlfredWallace wrote:It’s absolute tripe for anyone to suggest that Covid vaccines can change your DNA, period.
Take a journey inside a human cell , its nucleus and other organelles, it’s simply not possible.
Covid vaccines are manufactured from fragments of single strand mRNA, (messenger RNA), very different in a vast way to DNA. Get over it, home scientists.AW
Nobody here suggest that.
Burleigh. The general consensus of people worldwide who opposed the vaccine (entirely their prerogative) believed that it did or could affect DNA, it’s plastered all over media. A bit of hyperbole by a few and the ‘bush telegraph’ comes alive and people start believing what they read or hear.
I have no doubt that the vaccine did have adverse affects on some, it’s only reasonable to think that, add a new substance to our blood system and there’s going to be reactions, that’s how our defence mechanisms work and our immune system adjusts.
In some cases, severe, other cases less. Only my opinion.
If anyone wants an in depth discussion about how our DNA and its home in the nucleus works and how its arrangement is so so different to mRNA, let’s chat, it’s fascinating stuff, well, I think so.
Aren’t we all interested in how our body functions.AW
Roadkill wrote:burleigh wrote:AlfredWallace wrote:It’s absolute tripe for anyone to suggest that Covid vaccines can change your DNA, period.
Take a journey inside a human cell , its nucleus and other organelles, it’s simply not possible.
Covid vaccines are manufactured from fragments of single strand mRNA, (messenger RNA), very different in a vast way to DNA. Get over it, home scientists.AW
Nobody here suggest that.
You did, Karen, you also agreed with the glued up arteries and posted youtube evidence. Also blaming multiple deaths on the vaccines along with YouTube evidence. Also blaming brain aneurysms and Bell’s palsy along with, you guessed it, you tube evidence.
The list goes on and on and was always posted with accompanying YouTube evidence from shady unqualified fucking idiots.Now here you are walking it all back. Funny stuff.
Roadkill. Hi.
Now you’re stirring the pot and muddying the waters.
NONE of those four affects you’ve just described are gene linked or related to altered DNA.
Geez mate., Burleigh is going to fry you, again. All a bit of fun. AW
AlfredWallace wrote:Roadkill wrote:burleigh wrote:AlfredWallace wrote:It’s absolute tripe for anyone to suggest that Covid vaccines can change your DNA, period.
Take a journey inside a human cell , its nucleus and other organelles, it’s simply not possible.
Covid vaccines are manufactured from fragments of single strand mRNA, (messenger RNA), very different in a vast way to DNA. Get over it, home scientists.AW
Nobody here suggest that.
You did, Karen, you also agreed with the glued up arteries and posted youtube evidence. Also blaming multiple deaths on the vaccines along with YouTube evidence. Also blaming brain aneurysms and Bell’s palsy along with, you guessed it, you tube evidence.
The list goes on and on and was always posted with accompanying YouTube evidence from shady unqualified fucking idiots.Now here you are walking it all back. Funny stuff.
Roadkill. Hi.
Now you’re stirring the pot and muddying the waters.
NONE of those four affects you’ve just described are gene linked or related to altered DNA.
Geez mate., Burleigh is going to fry you, again. All a bit of fun. AW
NONE of those four affects you’ve just described are gene linked or related to altered DNA. So what?
You can have a discussion on altered DNA if you want. But DNA altering is just a small part of the BS the antivaxers in here ascribed to vaccines. RK
"Researchers analyzed government data from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), Cleveland Clinic Data, and insurance company risk assessment data."
"Recent government data out of Australia shows that the excess deaths in 2022 were 5162% higher than in previous years."
https://slaynews.com/news/25-years-wiped-life-expectancy-fully-vaxxed/
"Early on, several doctors and scientists warned that the COVID vaccines would lead to several complications including autoimmune disease, blood clots, strokes, and more. Additionally, The Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System, or VAERS, data showed a strong correlation between the vaccines and adverse events. But how does one determine in an individual case that the vaccine was the cause of death or the adverse event? It is through pathology."
https://rumble.com/v42yfh5-pathologist-arne-burkhardt-final-interview-re...
AlfredWallace wrote:burleigh wrote:AlfredWallace wrote:It’s absolute tripe for anyone to suggest that Covid vaccines can change your DNA, period.
Take a journey inside a human cell , its nucleus and other organelles, it’s simply not possible.
Covid vaccines are manufactured from fragments of single strand mRNA, (messenger RNA), very different in a vast way to DNA. Get over it, home scientists.AW
Nobody here suggest that.
Burleigh. The general consensus of people worldwide who opposed the vaccine (entirely their prerogative) believed that it did or could affect DNA, it’s plastered all over media. A bit of hyperbole by a few and the ‘bush telegraph’ comes alive and people start believing what they read or hear.
I have no doubt that the vaccine did have adverse affects on some, it’s only reasonable to think that, add a new substance to our blood system and there’s going to be reactions, that’s how our defence mechanisms work and our immune system adjusts.
In some cases, severe, other cases less. Only my opinion.If anyone wants an in depth discussion about how our DNA and its home in the nucleus works and how its arrangement is so so different to mRNA, let’s chat, it’s fascinating stuff, well, I think so.
Aren’t we all interested in how our body functions.AW
No they did not. Absolute bullshit used to discredit people that did not want the clot shot.
For the most part wanna stay out of this...but...
When people say, it's over, move on,....not for my family.
My nephew still can't go to school, still has massive issues with chest pain, walking, balance.
There's a clear disturbance that's occured to his neurological pathways. 3 years on!
Doctors and specialists still can't work out what it was.
There's no direct evidence it was the jab. As i mentioned in the past, correlation is not causation. However. It all started at the time he got his second and third jabs. A perfectly healthy kid before that, never, ever had any health issues. Now he just sits in his room all day and occasionally musters up enough strength for an hour or two tops to get up and about.
Hard to move on when your own flesh and blood is still suffering from possible effects.
Maybe keep that in mind next time you think we all should move on and you shout those words here, or anywhere else. People have been badly affected and compassion would go a long way.
Burleigh is right. Pops is right. TBB is right. And others who keep persisting and asking for answers.
People need to be held accountable.
Anyway thats all.
southernraw wrote:For the most part wanna stay out of this...but...
When people say, it's over, move on,....not for my family.
My nephew still can't go to school, still has massive issues with chest pain, walking, balance.
There's a clear disturbance that's occured to his neurological pathways. 3 years on!
Doctors and specialists still can't work out what it was.
There's no direct evidence it was the jab. As i mentioned in the past, correlation is not causation. However. It all started at the time he got his second and third jabs. A perfectly healthy kid before that, never, ever had any health issues. Now he just sits in his room all day and occasionally musters up enough strength for an hour or two tops to get up and about.
Hard to move on when your own flesh and blood is still suffering from possible effects.
Maybe keep that in mind next time you think we all should move on and you shout those words here, or anywhere else. People have been badly affected and compassion would go a long way.
Burleigh is right. Pops is right. TBB is right. And others who keep persisting and asking for answers.
People need to be held accountable.
Anyway thats all.
Sorry to hear that SR. It’s easy to dismiss unless it happens to you or someone you know.
AlfredWallace wrote:burleigh wrote:AlfredWallace wrote:It’s absolute tripe for anyone to suggest that Covid vaccines can change your DNA, period.
Take a journey inside a human cell , its nucleus and other organelles, it’s simply not possible.
Covid vaccines are manufactured from fragments of single strand mRNA, (messenger RNA), very different in a vast way to DNA. Get over it, home scientists.AW
Nobody here suggest that.
Burleigh. The general consensus of people worldwide who opposed the vaccine (entirely their prerogative) believed that it did or could affect DNA, it’s plastered all over media. A bit of hyperbole by a few and the ‘bush telegraph’ comes alive and people start believing what they read or hear.
I have no doubt that the vaccine did have adverse affects on some, it’s only reasonable to think that, add a new substance to our blood system and there’s going to be reactions, that’s how our defence mechanisms work and our immune system adjusts.
In some cases, severe, other cases less. Only my opinion.If anyone wants an in depth discussion about how our DNA and its home in the nucleus works and how its arrangement is so so different to mRNA, let’s chat, it’s fascinating stuff, well, I think so.
Aren’t we all interested in how our body functions.AW
As a surfer if you are got my doubts, we live a healthy lifestyle, why would you want to put that crap in your body anyway. Scared of a flu we surf with man eating creatures. AS.
southernraw, that sucks about your nephew. Random suggestion, possible tick bite / lyme disease? All the best.
Sprout wrote:southernraw, that sucks about your nephew. Random suggestion, possible tick bite / lyme disease? All the best.
Yeah none of the Dr’s and specialists would of thought of that. Far out.
Cheers lads.
@southernraw , I often think of your nephew when people say insensitive things like “ just move on the rest of the world has “ I also think of the people that were locked out of their state for months at a time and now no longer own a business or house and live in their car , that’s the one’s that didn’t neck themselves when they lost everything . The one’s that want to move on are those that weren’t greatly impacted and wonder what all the fuss is about. I personally lived in tweed heads and besides not being allowed to enter Queensland didn’t have my freedom taken away like so many others . I personally won’t forget the bullshit others suffered and there was suffering, some died at birth because of state government decisions. I get a bit angry when some suggest “ just move on , it was no big deal “ fucking wankers that won’t own up to getting it wrong .
DP
Exclusive unearthing of a Long held Pfizer Vax Conspiracy.
True! tbb guarantees to reveal the secret right here and now to the crew ahead of the world!
Let the Anti Vaxerz push on with endless experiments...can save time by passing on the secret!
Please don't think tbb just arrived at this verdict...
Was Geert's honesty that got tbb to back-check 2 year old bookmarks & solve this nonsense!
KunstlerCast 398...[40:05] Can share the moment tbb had a gutful of this Conspiracy! (This ends Now!)
https://kunstler.com/podcast/kunstlercast-398-dr-geert-vanden-bossche-an...
Gotta be a simple answer to this...
A good while back tbb went seeking answers to eerie Graphene Shards in the Pfizer Vaccine!
Nearly all are convinced these shards pollute mostly pfizer vaccines & prove it with photos!
Ok! But Geert says he doubts very much Labs put Graphene in Vax...like who does that...(Impossible!)
tbb believes both! Ok then...so how can both be right!
That's yer exclusive secret that only a few insiders know about...reckon we can crack this!
Here's tbb's back story...well down this road of uncovering this...just need to read between the lines!
The answer was always there right in front of those that went looking...just needed decyphering!
All know Pfizer Vax needs Freezing below 40 degrees...
Now! Problem is...Glass Vials Crack & Stoppers Pop & degrade at freezing point.
End up with cracked Glass & Vaccine all over yer freezer
Solution...
March 2021 (Rare) News Article needs to be re read in scientific context...
This is indeed a rare article that mentions the secret hiding in plain sight...not aware of another that does!
https://news.mit.edu/2021/supporting-covid-19-vaccine-rollout-extra-stre...
Warp Speed Corning's Valor Glass is strengthened with "Molten Salt" (See : Others never share that!)
Say that again tbb...Said : ("Molten Salt!")...Exactly! That's wot everyone thought ya said! [Correct!]
So what kinda 'Molten Salt' withstands temperatures beneath sub 40 degrees then!
The kinda Molten Salts that produce a Graphene solution to dip yer vials in...should work a treat!
Now! tbb can share endless ways of Molten Salts producing Graphene...let crew unearth this Bombshell.
All were fucked over > So it's only fitting that each solve this mystery their their own way...
tbb is pleased to allow this...each can arrive at same answer their own way with equal satisfaction.
Each can crack the code of what went down...all can feel the power of getting even with the man!
Now this Secret Flexi Molten Salt derived ? solution can protect the Pfizer Vaccine Vials when frozen...
Problem! You bet there's always a problem...never goes to plan...all see that!
When thawing the Vaccine the Graphene peels / fractures away from the Vial walls as shards...
These shards can be explained away as Ice shards or even glass laminate peelings.
Crew might be surprised that Glass is accepted...recall them One shot glass bulbs that Doctors break.
It's all cool...none bother if it's in the Vax Vial...but in this case it's both Glass & clear Graphene coating!
Again...Graphine is also accepted as stabilised coatings in Medical Parts / Gear.
But ya don't want any of this shit Clotting yer arteries!
But, But! Yeah Yeah...All together..."The Vax can't get into yer Arteries or anywhere but the Target?"
Pfizer gets around the Graphene Graveyard at bottom of Vial by mandating 5 doses (6/7 doses are Junk)
Each time a Syringe peppers the Compromised Stopper it collects more deteriorated Rubber.
See the rubber stopper can't withstand freezing so gets caught in #6 / #7 bendy needles...
{Pause}
Experts say Vax can't penetrate Blood or Tissue but tbb will share how it does = 100% of the time.
Each needle is dipped into the Vile then Capped for use...
See that...Each needle shaft is coated in Vax as it enters the whole layers thru yer arm...every layer.
A child sees & feels this but Experts say it's impossible! Vax only delivers into Targeted Tissue (Cough!)
Ask...not even a child believes that lie...WTF people...all of them Experts lie always! All say Aye!
How the fuck can a Vax dipped needle not poison everything in it's path...Please Explain...Impossible!
Every tiny microbe of flesh is contaminated before pay load is delivered at Target...Sorry! Experts Lied!
If not...are we seriously to believe they're that fuckin' stupid...not to notice Vax dipped Stix! Huh! FFS!
The Vax must & does penetrate all tissue levels unless yer an Alien...well durr! Think about it! OMG!
Doses #6 / #7 were always given to losers that Jumped the Queue!
Sure! Knock yerself out!
Flu vaxes are Pop Shots but Pfizer sucks up Frozen Shards in Lucky Dips...(Avoid dirty shots #6 / #7)
Shots #6 + #7 contain a mix of Rubber / Glass-Graphene Shards.
Don't believe tbb...check the Vids...can see Dudes preparing Shots with Rubber in Syringe! WTF!
It can't be helped if Dudes suck up the dregz...#6 / #7 are most assuredly Lucky Dip - Clot Shots!
Pause @ [4:46] Vax Coated rubber tipped Needle penetrates yer Flesh instantly before intended target!
Note the dude is smart enough not to show his face...(see) Verifies the dude knows this happens often!
Yes! All see the Rubber Stopper in the needle tip...Where the fuck does that end up...That's yer Lucky Dip!
Hodads book out first appointments of the day...hoping to get ahead of the shitfuckery that follows!
tbb has volumes of this data of the Vial Dregz that go into yer arms...It's not a secret nor rocket science!
Moderna are working on sterile Frozen Pre Pack Shots...likely the same coating? Surely Not tbb?
Wot! Ya think they're gonna share secret of their Molten Salted Frozen Pop Tarts...Yummy! Go for it!
Anyone claims this can never, or can't happen (Must) never inject these hot shots into anybody.
Crew can now venture back to December 2020...and watch how this Shitfuckery played out.
All will no doubt recall this...but only now, the crew can clearly see how & why it happened this way!
Sure! Mass Vax Class Action...(Not for tbb to say...stayed well clear of this dopey lot!)
https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN28R05M/
Pharmacists : "We can suck up an extra 2 doses of Pfizer Vaccine to save the World!"
Pfizer : "Say wot!...Fuck No! Hell No! Please don't suck up them Graphene Dregz!"
FDA : "Every Dose is sacred...it's your duty to suck up the Dirty Shots & Kill off the World Humanely!"
World : "So these Greedy VIP queue jumping bastards shooting up #6+#7 are gonna die...All say Aye!"
That's the dirty little secret of how all kinda scummy Autobot Nasties get into yer bloodstreams.
Happy to share Pfizer's secret herbs'n'spices...shh! Knock! Knock! Boom Crash...see ya.....______________.
I'm sorry to people like SR if I come across as dismissive and insensitive and believe it or not, I am all for transparency and accountability, and have an open mind, but you don't form a lynch mob and hang someone because you think they may have done it. You wait for the evidence. When I see some of the laughable links on these threads telling me that they lied to us, the pandemic was a hoax and just a sniffle so "THEY" could inject us with a death jab in a world wide conspiracy for depopulation. Or so "THEY" can control us and bring in a new world order, it turns you into a magnet, 5G, etc. etc. it gets me going a bit. These are the ones I say are anti science and should move on and get over themselves, not the many whose lives were impacted by the pandemic, it was a big deal.
There are many reasons for a 10% increase in deaths since the pandemic like cancelled surgeries, alcohol abuse, increase in mental illness, covid, the list goes on. All meds have side effects, and it would be remiss not to investigate what % can be linked to the jabs.
I was constantly insulted and called a bed wetter, scared of a little sniffle, and a good little sheep just for being one of the 90% of people who got the vaccinations.
Having my mum and in laws in their 90's in nursing homes is why I will never regret sparing a few minutes of my time to get the jab.
My dad was doing really well until he got covid and passed away within a week, this was before the vaccinations were rolled out, and if it got into a nursing home a large % of residents died.
Surely dismissing covid as just a sniffle and blaming everything bad since the pandemic on the vaccinations is an insult to the millions around the world who actually died from covid. The truth, whatever it is will eventually prevail, but it won't be from bloggers making a fortune on the net, it will be from proper scientific consensus. Cheers.
My in-laws were in a nursing home 90 & 95 not jabbed, never got covid.
1 died from cancer the other dementia related.
A few got covid in there and died while the unvaxed were banned, bought in by the vaxed.
Thank heavens for the vax.
There goes that theory.
old-dog wrote:I'm sorry to people like SR if I come across as dismissive and insensitive and believe it or not, I am all for transparency and accountability, and have an open mind, but you don't form a lynch mob and hang someone because you think they may have done it. You wait for the evidence. When I see some of the laughable links on these threads telling me that they lied to us, the pandemic was a hoax and just a sniffle so "THEY" could inject us with a death jab in a world wide conspiracy for depopulation. Or so "THEY" can control us and bring in a new world order, it turns you into a magnet, 5G, etc. etc. it gets me going a bit. These are the ones I say are anti science and should move on and get over themselves, not the many whose lives were impacted by the pandemic, it was a big deal.
There are many reasons for a 10% increase in deaths since the pandemic like cancelled surgeries, alcohol abuse, increase in mental illness, covid, the list goes on. All meds have side effects, and it would be remiss not to investigate what % can be linked to the jabs.
I was constantly insulted and called a bed wetter, scared of a little sniffle, and a good little sheep just for being one of the 90% of people who got the vaccinations.
Having my mum and in laws in their 90's in nursing homes is why I will never regret sparing a few minutes of my time to get the jab.
My dad was doing really well until he got covid and passed away within a week, this was before the vaccinations were rolled out, and if it got into a nursing home a large % of residents died.
Surely dismissing covid as just a sniffle and blaming everything bad since the pandemic on the vaccinations is an insult to the millions around the world who actually died from covid. The truth, whatever it is will eventually prevail, but it won't be from bloggers making a fortune on the net, it will be from proper scientific consensus. Cheers.
Here's the problem old mutt "it turns you into a magnet, 5G, etc" nobody said this here. You've made this up to try discredit people with genuine concerns,
Elderly people die every day from all sorts of viruses including the flu, but i am sorry for your loss.
To use everyday elderly deaths to scare young fit, healthy people to take their poison was the biggest issue.
Premiers fronting the cameras every morning stating the number of deaths WITH covid (not from) was nothing more than a fear tactic and using deaths that would have occurred with any virus and even naturally.
Cheers Supa and Olddog.
Yeah i understand your reasons for sure @olddog. I'm really sorry to hear about your dad.
That's sad and completely explains your reasoning. I think i would have done the same in your situation.
Like everything these days it all got so polarised through social media...it made it hard to rationally discuss any middle ground.
I know you, like pretty much everyone else on here are good eggs.
From a bigger perspective, it is hard to unsee what alot of us saw during the pandemic. And the corners we were all forced into. And the consequences.
It made me realise the majority of humans are easily controlled by authority and willing to comply without questioning.
Actually, it's a proven fact humans will follow orders from authority even if it hurts others. 70 percent in fact!!
Sorry about your Dad old dog.
Both our mothers died in 2022 8 months apart, 1 vaxed twice with astra and booster, 1 not vaxed, 1 with blood clots let you guess which one that was. 77 & 95 both never got covid.
Wasn't allowed in the hospital for my mother but a week later miraculously the unvaxed were allowed in. Luckily I had been to visit her at home a week before.
Also FIL died July 2020.
Very sorry to hear that @ashsam.
Cheers SR.
What made it worse our son moved to Europe a few weeks before everything shut down so we didn't see him after his wedding night for nearly 3 years.
He had to watch 3 of his grand parents funerals on live stream, tough for a 22 year old.
Not easy to just forget and move on.
Geez that's tough @ashsam.
Some real horror stories around but it really hits home when you hear them on forums like this and through close social circles...as well as personal circumstances.
There's alot to be learnt from these last few years and good that it's being discussed now for both accountability and for prevention of those same scenarios playing out again in the future.
Southernraw it seems there is no accountability or any lessons learned. We’re are still drowning in the aftermath, especially from the economics perspective.
Yeah sure was SR.
Also 1 of our daughters living in Sydney who's partner of 4 years decided during lockdown he wanted out and left her in a 2 bedroom apartment and went to live with his parents, luckily he paid half the rent till lease was up, but she lost her business during covid and couldn't pay rent on her own so moved home, taken her 2 years to get back on her feet and move out again just recently.
On a positive our youngest daughter still at home has nearly finished uni from home, which ended up being half the cost cause of covid, and also got a scholarship, so a teachers degree for around $8K, and now getting $440 a day casual teaching.
And her boyfriend had only just finished uni for nursing with a exemption cause wasn't vaxed, but couldn't get a job nursing for 2 years, has just got a job in a nursing home as a RN, no vax needed now believe it or not.
I was a little shocked at Alan Joyce (CEO Qantas) announcement that international travelers will be required to have a covid 19 vaccination in order to travel on Qantas flights . The government wanted to have mandatory vaccination but after the bumbling of its release ( it was painful to watch the delivery of that announcement ) they withdrew the mandatory part but it seems Qantas and other business may demand a vaccination in order to use their services. I’m not anti vaccine by any means I just don’t trust this government or a vaccine that has been rushed through. A jab followed by another jab followed by yearly jabs doesn’t sit well with me as I have never had a flu shot or the flu for more than 20 years. Plus I don’t want to give this shot to my healthy 4 year old daughter. She is up to date with all her vaccinations but this covid vaccine is new and not being around for decades like the others. Tuberculosis remains the number one as far diseases go and you don’t need proof of vaccination to travel so what is going on ?