Do you like or hate Donald Trump, and why?

So the FBI is corrupt?
Is it tin foil hat time then?

The responses of a number of people here to the article yorkes linked to, only serve as evidence for one its key arguments about the deliberate distortion of news. Anyone who can read that and not be concerned should pull their head out of the sand. The argument that this is all a result of decades of neoliberalism is true but so comprehensively misses the point as to lead me to suspect that some contributions to this forum have been made in Braille. Yes neoliberalism led to Trump, and yes Clinton would have continued those policies, but what Trump and the Republicans are doing is neoliberalism on steroids. Policies jacked up to swing wealth and power into even fewer hands and to achieve an unprecedented level of control over the public. People have criticised my view that China is a more reliable partner than the US on the basis of it being a totalitarian society. It is, but increasingly so is the US. Freedom there for an ever increasing section of the population is the freedom to work like a slave, in poverty, no health care, no social services and no hope ......... or to die homeless on the streets. As the article so clearly explains, US democracy is so weak as to be non-existent. It is a plutocracy maintained by gerrymandered boundaries and the corporate bribery of elected representatives....... but hey let's go surfing. Nero fiddled while Rome burned. What do you think future generations will think of us standing by as the same forces which destroyed US democracy turn their attention to Australia?

Im not that political savy but i think you will find most americans voted for Trump because of the negative things you mentioned and voting for Hillary would have just be more of the same vote.

Voters in USA only had one other option which was Trump which was on one hand a stick in the spokes kind of vote and on the other hand it was a well lets just see at least he is talking about some of these issues.

I don't follow it and I'm not that academic or savy with politics, but from what i read and see Trump is at least trying to address these kind of issues, don't know if it will work but seems the USA economy is going fine now.

BTW. in regard to that article as soon as i clicked on it and saw Hitler and Trump in an opinion piece, i just went oh god please no and forced myself to try to read it, it's like people who compare offshore detention centres to concentration camps...it just makes you roll your eyes and take a deep breath and think please guys you are just destroying any credibility or validity to any argument you might have.

Indoblown mindlessly blathers,

'Im not that political savy but'

'I don't follow it and I'm not that academic or savy with politics, but'

'just destroying any credibility or validity'

That's all you needed to say you, you ludicrous, beyond stupid, thick headed, blithering moron.

Introduction... why babble anymore... you fucking idiot!!!

Body... cementing and highlighting your arrogant, beyond ludicrous, bullshitting, moronic imbecilic stupidity!!!

Conclusion... exactly... destroying any credibility or validity... and as you so proudly highlight, because see, you can prove it... you are a fucking dim witted, self confessed, bullshitting cretin.

Swillnut Club Institute of Education, Training and Development Grade:

F... FFS

Action taken... expelled... in a nutshell... !!!!???

F... FFS ...Twice a day the line the sand vanishes with the Tide...Does it not?
Do we have to legislate to avagoodweekend? Surfjustsurf!
Wave of the day~ ~~~/C..~[crypto )

........ and so it goes on.
https://www.lrb.co.uk/v40/n20/eliot-weinberger/ten-typical-days-in-trump...

The difference between you and me Crypto apart from the fact i don't feel the need to constant abuse belittle and insult people and can express a point or view in a civil manner.

Is I'm also happy to not think i know it all about every topic and admit this especially on topics that aren't that opinion related, economies either work or they don't.

Politics and economics are complicated topics it's hard enough to get a grasp on Australian politics and our economy etc let alone another country i have never even been to let alone lived and breathed.

But that said I'm a typical common man and have typical common friends in the USA so i do understand why these people voted for Trump and understand their concerns.

It's also clear that the USA economy is in a better state now than it has been in recent history.

It's a win for the self rightous conservative God zealots and neo liberalists.
Republicans were able to use their monopoly on political power on Capitol Hill and the White House to muscle through the confirmation.
Contratulations Donald, you must be so proud.
What God wants, God gets, God help US all.

It is what is and we are all strapped in for the ride.

@indo you have said many times that the US economy is doing well, which it is, but like here in AU its all on the credit card. Have you ever considered the size of the debt and the fact that Trump with his corporate tax cuts, has significantly limited his and future government's ability to collect taxes to repay it? How do you think it would end for you if you spent say a 1/3 more than you earn on the credit card for a few years without paying it back? Add to that mix that the US Federal Reserve is starting to increase interest rates no matter what Trump says and that will ultimately end rain down Trump's falsely self-titled economic miracle. What then for those disaffected Trump voters earning $11 per hour down at Walmart?

........ Trump's success in getting 2 conservative judges on the supreme court will be significant.

The following is from an article in The Age yesterday ......

" ...... The reason is that the stakes are so high. Australia's High Court wields huge influence – as seen in the Mabo decision recognising native title, or the strict interpretation of a ban on dual nationals sitting in Parliament.

But it pales in comparison to the US Supreme Court, which occupies a far more powerful and politically-charged role in national life.

It was the Supreme Court after all, not the US Congress, that ended the segregation of black and white school children. It was the Supreme Court that ruled women have a right to a legal abortion. And it was the Supreme Court that legalised same-sex marriage.

It was also the Supreme Court that tore up restrictions on political campaign spending by businesses and unions, and ruled that the second amendment protects an individual's right to possess a firearm ..... "

Someone above mentioned the gerrymandering in US politics. Its a fact in the US that delivers the illegitimate Republicans Senators and Congressmen / women in significant numbers. Not every vote in America is equal and some people aren't allowed to vote at all (blacks who have been to prison for example) ..... anyway its the Supreme Court that could overturn those gerrymanders but that isn't going to happen for the next few decades is it .... and are gerrymanders and banning citizens voting good for democracy and the US?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/01/13/this-is-actually-...

The difference between you and I indoblown is that you love being a ‘civil’ racist while you sink the boots in, and insist on proving that the amazing 80,000 year success story of Indigenous Australians was nothing but a fluke, and that in reality they are nothing but vicious war mongers who bash and rape women, despite an avalanche of evidence to the contrary. It kills you to think that they obviously had a much more successfull ideology about life here than the british invaders and the blood fest that is the enshrined hallmark of the the west. So you vehemently, racistly oppose and oppress any thing remotely like this:

'Australia could achieve absolute decolonisation and shared sovereignty and live up to the reputation we like to have, as a nation deeply concerned with human rights and social justice.

It is wrong-headed to think of “embracing” Indigenous peoples. Those with a western heritage must relinquish their arrogance, rewrite the distortions of their history, and place Indigenous interests at the forefront of social, economic and political concern.

We need to look beyond symbols to restitution: compensation, reparations and resource sharing. Indigenous peoples, through seeking a treaty, invite us to share in building an honourable future. Surely we can agree that Australia is worth it.’

https://theconversation.com/indigenous-treaties-are-meaningless-without-...

klan style racist’s like you don’t deserve civility indoblown.

Stup’e could you please pay my rego for me!

Stup’e could you please find the missing Traditional Indigenous Australians weapons of mass destruction, and prove that 80,000 years isn’t as long as 200 and is just a fluke anyway!!

Stup’e could you please provide a platform where I can call people ‘s wives slut’s and whores and make out that I’m not while I hide... again... in a nutshell...

@ Blindboy,

Thanks for posting the lrb link with article by Eliot Weinberger. Distressing but not unsurprising chicanery.

Crypto this thread is about Trump not indigenous issues.

As we all know the only racist around here is you, your the one that never stops banging on about the differences in ethnicity/race and stereotypes and labels people based on skin colour or labels or insults people based on the fact they have possibly the same ethnicity as people in the past that might have done bad things. (kind of a weird concept)

As I've said countless times, i believe all people should be treated equally no matter what their ethnicity/race is or their ethnicity's history, skin colour, hair colour, eye colour, or no matter what they decide to identify as.

@Guysmiley

You might be right, I'm sure if the USA economy even just slightly dips all the Trump haters will be going see i told you so, blah blah blah.

Sadly no matter what happens he is going to be critiqued very harshly while opinion on Obama was the opposite because he was so likeable for a USA president. (Yes i liked him too)

Indo, FFS, if the economy goes bad, it goes bad for everyone not just the so-called "haters".

Again, how do you think you would go if you lived on credit years on end? Reckon it would end well? especially so if at the say time the interest rate you were charged on the borrowed money was increasing and your salary had reduced!

No sitting on your fence Indo, it would end badly that's how, and that's what Trump is doing.

Indoblown you proven racist, this thread, as you pointed out, if you can remember back a couple of hours dimwit, is about trump/politics. As you pointed out... thick head.

So issues such as below, which due to your klan style racism, nearly cause you to have a tremor, and which you plead for a button to save your dim witted brain from, are paramount for not only Australians but the planet.

‘Irene Watson, a Tanganekald and Meintangk Boandik legal scholar and professor, points out that crises such as climate change are a call for a new relationship between Indigenous and non-Indigneous Australians and our environment. She shows how Indigenous moral and relational values provide a sound basis on which to build those new relationships.‘

‘Victoria Grieves, a Warraimaay historian, foresees a Republic of Australia based on the sovereignty of Aboriginal peoples. She says:

Australia could achieve absolute decolonisation and shared sovereignty and live up to the reputation we like to have, as a nation deeply concerned with human rights and social justice.
It is wrong-headed to think of “embracing” Indigenous peoples. Those with a western heritage must relinquish their arrogance, rewrite the distortions of their history, and place Indigenous interests at the forefront of social, economic and political concern.

We need to look beyond symbols to restitution: compensation, reparations and resource sharing. Indigenous peoples, through seeking a treaty, invite us to share in building an honourable future. Surely we can agree that Australia is worth it.‘

https://theconversation.com/indigenous-treaties-are-meaningless-without-...

80,000 years of political success.

40 years worth of training and 'education' and still can't deadlift nor teach it. Your previous blathering proves it.

Guess half arsed trainers is all your town needs. Babysitting at best.

Sing with me Craptolift....the hip bones connected to the.....didn't your parents teach you something.... anything. Pweez daddy...teach me dat song.

Hopeless craptolift.

Hapless, no client wannabe, hidden, nobody loser. Like I said, I’ll hand you 10 client’s on a plate’ we’ll video it, fucking, hilarious shit!!! All time worlds most stupid, hapless gym fails!!!

hapless, bullshitting, pitiful loser... again... and again... in a nutshell... again...!!!??

@Guy

I guess we will just wait and see, like i said i don't know much about USA politics and the economy, its not something that interest me.

And i want to be clear I'm not a Trump fan or sticking up for him, i just understand why people voted for him if i was in the USA i would have done the same just as a protest stick in the spokes kind of vote.

@Crypto

Yeah it's three hours latter, but sorry the threads still about Trump not indigenous issues.

If you want to bang on like a broken record maybe go do it in a more relevant thread.

An alfoil hat won't save you guysmiley....this shit is real....

Interesting how you still write it all of as conspiracy nutters despite constant proof filtering out.

"Indoblown mindlessly blathers,

'Im not that political savy but'

'I don't follow it and I'm not that academic or savy with politics, but'

'just destroying any credibility or validity'

That's all you needed to say you, you ludicrous, beyond stupid, thick headed, blithering moron."

A non political thick headed blithering moron, who usually manages a more realistic version of events than his detractors. Interesting that.

I reckon it ain't rocket science that investing in your own country would improve the economy. Especially after decades of offshoring jobs and various other travesties. It might be short sighted and pork barrelling, but any fool could guess it'd boost the economy for a while, or at the least give a bump.

Which has just made the same old moronic media outlets look really really dumb...again. The 'liberal lying press' just keeps trotting out the bullshit, looking dumber and dumber everyday. Their analysis is bogus, contstantly. I still can't tell if it's incompetence or deliberate.

Either way, their arrogance and underestimation of the public's ability to see through bullshit is just embarrassing.

"Australia could achieve absolute decolonisation..."

Seriously how many times?

Crypoto's tony abbott school of debate. Where if you repeat things, saying the same thing, repeating the words, repeating the same thing, saying it again and again, you win the debate.

Yeh nah

You really could develop the argument with a new paragraph here and there. Perhaps something a little less fanciful.

‘"Australia could achieve absolute decolonisation..."

Sykply poppins the catholic church and pedophile priests and rapists‘social worker’ self confessed trained by indoblown. They aren’t my words numbskull, or my argument you klan boy racist dimwit.

You would love to push a button and just make them all go away too sykply poppins.

& we have Kavanaugh confirmed as Supreme Court Justice in the States, signed in by Trump. He took a keg to the swearing in! Could this be the first time in my life there was a conservative US Supreme Court?

"Could this be the first time in my life there was a conservative US Supreme Court?"

Care to spell out how you see that will pan out?

You being a more moderate commentator on here who seems to know the ameican system well, I'd be interested to know...

Back in the late 70's a friend of mine was in a serious relationship with his girlfriend. She got pregnant but they decided they were too young to look after a baby. So she had the baby and put it up for adoption. My friend and his girlfriend are not together now but he has a good relationship with his daughter. What's happened to Blob?

Blindboy.....

Sorry, but a little facetious sarcasm doesn't get you of the hook.
You've already swallowed the hook.

I don't need your inane explanation of an abortion consensus .....the one you admit keeps changing.....so isn't .....ahh....consensus.
Your idea of consensus is the half pregnant unicorn variety....
There is no consensus.
Just as there are no unwanted children.
One doctor will never recommend abortions while another has no problem with killing babies at 9 months gestation.
Great consensus there blind one.
Look up Americas greatest serial killer.
DOCTOR Kermit Gosnell.

What I asked for, and what you hypocritically never reveal, is your own moral judgement of when a foetus attains human rights.

After you defend abortion in a variety of entertainingly ways ....

....."abortion is controversial...so the quicker the better"
....."making abortion legal will make people abort earlier"
....." Making it illegal forces women to do things they don't want to do" (like making men and women take responsibility for their actions?)
....."but nature aborts heaps more"
....."killing unborn humans is OK, but not animals cause they have more advanced brains"
....."I'll just ignore your question about aborted babies born alive cause difficult cases make bad laws"
....."abortion reduces crime"
...." Unwanted babies should be killed for everybody's sake...cause they'll be neglected and unhappy" (when adopted by loving families?)
....."I'm happy to accept the dominant view...cause even though it keeps changing its always right"
....."embryos are not conscious"....(so anything and anyone who is unconscious is fair game?)
....."a foetus is not a miniature human.....unless there is a non consensus consensus that it is a human...then it is.....but if the non consensus consensus says it's not....well then it isn't....aha!, so easy."

....... But after all your typing, you then toss away your convincing arguments and jump and hide behind the big doctor consensus guy again and say, "I'm with him"
....less than brave mate.

If you don't know when a foetus obtains humanity then just admit it.....no shame.....just do it, .....man up Blindboy.
....but maybe you are not as lightweight as your earnest but dim arguments make you appear.
Maybe you already see that by admitting ignorance of the fundamental question you will leave yourself open to the terrible and obvious logic that killing something you don't understand the nature of,.....is to risk killing a person.
No biggie though....that would only be risking murder.

....and while your at it you could admit our real hypocritical cultural (as in immoral) reason for abortion as we do it.....so we can bonk as if nobody else matters

"1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience SEARED WITH A HOT IRON; (New Testament, 1 Timothy, Chapter 4)
...My capitals....

Blob, you're back, so do you have an answer for me about satan's typewriter being a sin?

What’s Satan’s typewriter?

Hint for you blowin.

Regular typewriter: tap tap tap tap

Satan's typewriter: fap fap fap fap

Aaaahhh !

Blob, at exactly 90 days, 12 hours, 23 minutes and 12 seconds after fertilisation Jesus reaches down out of the sky and presses a small button on the head of the foetus. It wakes up and becomes human. In most cases. Sometimes though Jesus sleeps in and forgets for a few more days or weeks.

Religion is still at forefront of Eugenics-Sterilization by race or indifference.
Stolen generation & bastardization by priests or locking up indifferent children is their trade.
Religion is the only institute hellbent on expelling schoolkidz who part their hair on the left.

What planet still allows these devout child haters near a school or Maternity ward.
Until Godsquad joins the human race never let them near a foetus aborted or otherwise.

This thread started as "Do you like or hate Donald Trump". Its gotten a bit weird since then. The reality is you shouldn't really hate anyone. Trumpy was voted in by the people because apparently there wasn't anyone better in their eyes. Its been a strange ride since but we shouldn't be afraid because there is something bigger going on in the background we can't see. The rise of China and Europe, the influence of Islam upon the Euro union and the strange cultural belief alterations to the Judeo/Christian West are all part of an end game where something big is happening..If you cant feel it the air, check your pulse. Jesus said "You hypocrites, you see a cloud coming and you say 'it looks like rain' but you cant see the signs of the times". There are leaders out there who seem like loose cannons but are the person who is there on the day. Don't get worked up hating this politician or that, just choose who you think is best and vote, because your either a player who think they can make a change or a voter who doesn't want to play. I like this scripture …Isaiah 40:22
It is He that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; He stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:....So, fellow grasshoppers, don't hate anyone, do your best in life, try and change the world by being a peace loving, kind and generous person. Vote for the polly you think will be best to prosper your country even if they don't have exactly your views on life, and to finish, pray the rain and onshore stops here on the east coast because I want a paddle.

It may come as a shock to Optimist but increasingly Aussies are sick of being played.
Over 2 million refuse being forced to vote in our Banana Republic voting system!
World ridicules our compulsory voting spewing out a new less caring dictator each year.

No good pushing the blame elsewhere! Buck stops here with Oldest Race our own shame.
STOP! Being sheeple! Empty the glass half full of excuses. Start afresh!

Aboriginal Treaty front & centre. Constitution/Religion naturally go to the back of the line.
Australian Treaty predates all world Law as the most powerful document on Planet.
This is why we boycott the signing. Aussies must take the lead and shine love over world.
None can argue that logic! World rejoices it's new beginning...Peace on Earth.

US Republicans last Australian Ambassador left us in Jan 2009.(A decade ago!..no hurry!)
Trump loves Horzeez so much he neglects to engage a U.S. Ambassador during his reign.
Indicating US President or representative or Army won't be around for our hour of need.
No! I'm not saying that's a bad thing. Most Aussies would relish the thought of no U.S. align.

Queenslanders are praying for life giving rain to continue on westward to ease drought.
Feel free to pray with Queenslanders as Rain is not enough water to last 1 month.
God will soon stop crying & Moses will part the seas for Optimist to have his paddle time.

All got Surf fever! I'm floored with Myositis/Spun out by Labyrinthitis/Warped with CSR.

~[R.I.P) Lindsay

Interesting language trump is using to describe saudi king in relation to the missing journalist

"He denies any involvement...strongly denies it"
"It could have been rogue killers...it sounds like rogue killers"

Sounds a lot like his comments on Putin doesn't it

As a guy who honestly hoped he would beat Hillary...without having followed things closely...I have observed things pretty closely ever since...looking at both sides with what I think is a pretty objective non biased eye...

The guy is a complete cunt...honestly...I think I reserve that word only to be used as an absolute necessity. Perhaps only he and Peter dutton would be worthy of such a description at the moment on god's great earth...

Imagine living at a time in history where donald trump rules the worlds most powerful nation...and gabriel medina wears the crown of world surfing champion!

Oh boy

Trump's backhand is more tremendous and beautiful. And yuge. Yuge backhand. Beautiful.

Sadly we don't have to imagine.
Today! Oz PM fell into line with Trump's push for Jerusalem as Jewish Capital
Oz embassy & posts are to follow what Trump wants.(2 state solution has been sold out)

1 month ago Former Jewish Ambassador to Israel became Liberal Wentworth candidate.
No accident as another High profile Local Jewish councillor candidate also polled well.
A Jewish candidate was desired and assured thru voting process.

Saturday's By election in Wentworth has a 13% Jewish Population...
4 Days ago PM promised NSW Jewish Schools $2m+ for extra security...(Poll booths?)

As I stated 2 million + Aussies refuse to play this dirty vote rigging game.

Yes, TrueBlueBasher, soooo transparent it's embarrassing. Seriously, who falls for this snake-oil?

Factotum

I thought it was like really really big...the biggest we've ever seen...from the standpoint of bigness

Or just Medina's backhand is ugly. Very ugly and very sad. Tremendously ugly and sad.

The reason to sure up Jewish vote comes as Candidate Karryn Phelps is edging ahead
Ms Phelps stance on Refugees is biting hard uptown add ALP preference & she wins.
Hung parliament by the end of the week..Sat night even!

"Jews for refugees" Sounds a bit suss! Are pushing for action!
3 Liberal MP's are now asking for 80 child refugees to be released from Nauru.

PM-"What's the fuss having 'illegal bratz' locked up on Saturday">[Universal Childrens Day]
Last Week...
Scomo"What's the fuss it's a BET AD on WH Opera House"...during Gaming Awareness week?

Both Coward before & Lib PM...Knock! Knock! Please Ms NZ PM can you take some more!

ScoMo is in Spazz mode! The liberal Party are going into meltdown...Soon to implode!
Post PM's unlosable Wentworth election defeat rises new Lib Opposition leader Ms Bishop .
Reminder! Wagga Wagga 60 year swing against Libs was 30%...voters please smash that!

Colour me bemused watching all these political corrections. The party in power being repeatedly shown how out of step it is with public opinion. Marriage equality, climate change, the Opera House barney, now refugees.

Randy Rainbow and Melania Trump on the chorus line...

On the last 24 hours in Australian politics ..... the liberals voting its ok to be white with divided nation and the Sharma/Jerusalem question ...... a new low, yes I know I've been saying this for 5.5 years but what do these fcuktards actually stand for? ...

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/coalition-blames-admin-error-...

https://www.theage.com.au/national/unprincipled-and-craven-morrison-s-is...

It takes a special kind of stupid but Morrison has gone there, it must be a massive panic for Wentworth.

.

PM Turnbull left Lib's Wentworth with a $2m hole & new PM with a balance of Power.
PM Turnbull's Dumb Deal with Trump supersizes into PM Scomos Dumbest Deal
New PM sells seat to resident Jews to plug Malcolm's $2m donation hole.
If PM follows lead on Trump Jews to Jerusalem then 13% of votes are rock solid Libs.
Trump's dumb deal with cage kidz can now be honoured.
Lib elites can rest easy on Kiddies Day thus stay in the flock bagging a few more votes.

Should all be sorted by International Kidz Day. Dumbest Deal gives Libs a fighting chance?Should dumbest deal fall thru...due to Indonesia Trade Deal Boycott...

New Zealand Labor controls Oz Libs balance of power...
That involves an even Dumber Double Dole Deal? Go #1 Dumbass Aussie Pollies!

At what point does Morrison’s act differentiate itself from the scum that sold our country’s sovereignty to China for political capital and / or cash ?

More treason.

Aligning Australia with Israel - Israel !!!! Fucking who ? They’re 15000 kms away !!! - puts us heavily offside with our neighbors and mates in Indonesia.

Love the tagline GuySmiley ...Lib's use only the finest of Right Royal distractions.