Do you like or hate Donald Trump, and why?
Team America ....Fuck yeah !
China still pulling the heartstrings and trading as a developing nation even as they usurp the entire commonwealth of the South China Sea . Sucked in. The rest of the world sitting on their hands and eyeing off their poor quality Chinese rip off products that cost less initially then wind up costing your country their economic fundamentals.
This post will probably be found by the CCP one day once they’ve overthrown us - peacefully, of course- and I’ll be disappeared.
Ant one think Stormy Daniels has a horse face?
Dunno I focus, but I'm sure she's had some horse dicks in her face
And at least one toad-stool.
Who has the greater moral compass? Daniels or Trump?
She fucked everyone , made them pay.
Trump is fucking China , making them pay.
Photo finish.
Daneils enters a contract and pays and is paid. There's honesty in all that.
Can't say there's anything like that level of honesty in Trump's pre and post presidential life.
I'm certainly not a religious man, nor acolyte of sectarian absolutes or moralistic wowser and I think there's a healthy dose of the fun loving larrikin in me too. Nevertheless, I believe in creating harmonious family life, caring for others, sharing good waves and not being avaricious generally. And surely, whether one is agnostic, animist, atheist, Buddhist, Pagan, Steiner theosophical or Zoroastrian is irrelevant - but it's fair to say, whatever one's background, the classic Ten Commandments are fundamentally a pretty sound guide or platform for living. Sadly, to all intents and purposes, we are seeing an ineluctable slippage that shows no sign of letting up.
"You know what? You can take it any way you want."
This is Trump's response to an AP reporter asking whether it is appropriate for the President of the United States to call a woman "horseface" -- as Trump did to Daniels on Twitter earlier that day. Let me translate Trump's response: "Yes, it's totally and perfectly fine for me to do whatever I want to do at all times."
Good on him.
Yocal
To answer your question, I reckon it's our job to be smart enough to see things for what they are.
Trump is a big ego populist chosen by average people and hated by progressive elites in media, big business and academia.
Lies?
He doesn't pretend to be what he isn't.
....and if he's getting the job done what's not to like?.
Blob, I think there is a clear difference of opinion here about what constitutes a good leader. Some seem to think that as long as the gross indicators of the economy and international relations are going well, then that is all that is required. Others, like me, believe that our leaders and those in priveleged positions in the public eye, business leaders, sports people and entertainers, have a responsibility to model decent behaviour.
This responsibility is most significant for political leaders. The reasons for this are simple and straight forward. If our role models behave badly, it encourages bad behaviour in the community. So if you are happy for random arseholes to refer to your wife/daughter/sister, should they happen to be passing through the US, as "horseface" and to grab them by the pussy whenever they get the urge, then Trump is the man for you!
"...He doesn't pretend to be what he isn't.
....and if he's getting the job done what's not to like?."
And isn't that refreshing from a politician perspective!
Trump was elected to reboot the settings on a lot of things. Mainly (for me anyway) because the narrative from politicians and academics had drifted too far into noddyland.
The reality for people on the ground is just too distant from the rubbish we hear in the media. The rubbish we hear from politicians, and the idealism of academics.
It's a shame it came to this, but I really cannot see anyone else who could've cut through the bullshit as proficiently as trump. It took a lying, cheating, serial bullshitter to beat them at their own game.
Trump won't last (well not if 'the left' finally manage to get their shit together) but he served a purpose. A useful idiot if you will...
There's lots not to like. But the alternative....
H R fucking C. Remember that.
It's also a shame the democrats have resorted to a porn star to derail him.
The lying cheating buffoon versus a porn star. And we're arguing who has more credibility. Seriously what have we become...
All sides setting new lows in contemporary politics.
"And isn't that refreshing from a politicians perspective!"
Like speeding up transfer of wealth between classes?
BB - The woman fucked him for money - nothing wrong with that from either party - then accepted LOTS of money to keep quiet about it - again , nothing wrong with that from either party - but then she blabbed and wrote a book and described his sexual prowess and ridiculed his anatomy .
Imagine if someone had written a book and described Hillary Clinton’s vagina .
She’s is what she is and there’s no right or wrong , but it’s a big call for her to get offended after being called “ horseface “ .
Good on Trump.
He’s defending himself as is his right.
As for political leaders acting appropriately , please ......let’s move past being accomodating of smoothly presented bastards and focus on their politics as opposed to their seemless oratory or their manipulated public personas.
Though I do agree with you that leaders should lead with charisma as an ideal , what we currently have with Trump is the fresh air of a pendulum swing away from those groomed fucktards that brought us such unpalatable situations as the endless war in the Middle East.
Blindboy
You are in no position to take any moral high ground
Morally, the left are worms under the ground
JFK
Bill Clinton
Bill Shorten
Julia Gillard
All grubs
All protected
All lauded by corrupt media
John Howard
Tony Abbott
Margaret Thatcher
Ronald Reagan
Mitt Romney
Brett Kavanaugh
All decent people by your own conveniently selective criteria
All methodically demonised by your progressive leftist crowd
Hypocrisy and character assassination in a hundred quotes by you and the drones dumping on Trump in this thread.
Now,
Mr Moral,
answer my question about whether YOU think Partial birth abortion at 8 and a half months on demand, and the marketing of the body parts is morally acceptable.
"smoothly presented bastards and focus on their politics as opposed to their seamless oratory or their manipulated public personas" ...... hmm, makes me think of BS
I Focus
You say such silly things.
The working class are doing better under Trump.
And I'm wondering, for the sake of balance, did you ever criticised Obama, even once, during his 8 years in office for bailing out big business, importing cheap labour or the increasing wealth of the one percenters?
Hmmm?
".. Like speeding up transfer of wealth between classes?"
Nah. That's not cool. But what more would you expect from a republican president?
Besides, the left, or democrats, were doing a pretty good job of that themselves
"Julia Gillard is a grub protected and lauded by corrupt media."
Do go on...
Trump AND HIS FAMILY have been viciously persecuted and demonised by the corrupt Democrat/media complex for years.
I'm in awe of his courage and durability.
The porn star, her turd lawyer and all the grubs deserve every beautiful epithet he tweets.
As Sypkan and Blowin have said, the left laugh at the nice guys they devour but they have wimp meltdowns when they get called out by a brawler.
https://www.breitbart.com/the-media/2018/10/17/cnns-stelter-tapper-cilli...
Stunet
Do your own research...and you don't need to ask Larry Pickering....I know that would be beneath you.....the SMH can help you out.
Why was Barnaby Joyce lynched for adultery but Julia Gillard and Craig Emerson went all the way to the top?
And I love the way you nitpick detail while ignoring Bulk, and my main premise.
I guess you agree with me that rapist Clinton was protected by the same corrupt media that went crazy over pussy grab talk.
TLAWAE
"Why was Barnaby Joyce lynched for adultery"
Well for one, he was lynched, not by the left media, but by the Daily Telegraph. They broke the story and mined it for all its worth.
So there's that.
Then there's the way Ms Campion had a job conveniently created for her by Matt Canavan. Call that conflict of interest. Then there was lying to parliament. Then there was the way he publicly doubted his paternity - not illegal but pretty damn distasteful. Then there was the way he wanted privacy, until he secured a paid story and milked it publicly.
So although I really dont care that much about it, I'd say those are the reasons why.
Also, completely bogus story by Breitbart, equating commentary on the POTUS with a rapper most people have never heard of - and dont tell me you have.
A news anchors doesn't pass comment on a no name rapper so they're somehow complicit in a liberal media plot?
Mate, the internet is full of people trading insults, just because a journalist doesn't address each and every barb doesn't make it a conspiracy.
Weird logic by you again.
Stunet
So it was all the Daily Telegraph was it.
I'll leave that deception hanging out to dry all by itself.
Whether it is the invisible historical rape allegation against Shorten or any of his, or Gillards, affairs and shady dealings -all of which include allegations of corruption or conflicts of interest on par or worse than Joyce's, my point remains.
They weren't lynched like him were they?
No, she became PM, remember that?
Derrr...
Blind boys comment was typically unbalanced.
Why is JFK a hero to the same media that make Trump the Devil?
When are you guys ever going to get real?
"I'm in awe of his courage and durability."
Blob, seriously mate, are you on Trumps propaganda payroll or something?
I mean who honestly would spend so much time and effort in coming here to bloviate relentlessly their point of view.
Zealotry much.
Entertaining, occasionally, but not so much.
Mostly I don't read your posts, I assume it's more of the same.
Blowin, I am not suggesting Stormy Daniels acted with integrity but the whole grubby incident and Trump's response to it demonstrate appalling misogyny. He hires a prostitute as his wife gives birth, bribes her to keep quiet then lies and insults her from a position of enormous power. The disrespect to the woman involved is one thing, but what about the public humiliation of his wife and the encouragement given to other men to disrespect women? These are not trivial issues. This kind of behaviour from men in power encourages domestic violence. You can then add to that his direct incitement to sexual assault in the pussy grabber statement. If you are OK with all that I would suggest you think seriously about your own attitudes to women.
So Blob it sounds to me like your answer is the bigger winner is the person who gets what they want regardless of whether they lie or not. So following that logic, it would make sense to simply 'deny deny deny' anything you've done that may be damaging to others (to quote big red himself).
How does that align with your Christian values? My understanding of the core ethos of Christianity is that speaking truth is 'the word' and honesty and humility is the path toward heaven, and liars end up caught up in hell. I too believe this logic as a fundamental aspect of the human condition, The more people lie, the more they get detached from reality and the present, and they begin to have a serious compounding conflict with reality (hell) until such time that the truth is revealed.
So I am wondering this: I can see that its specifically the moral of the individual which is the core determinant on whether or not you will go to heaven or hell. So in your interpretation you can side with someone who is rapidly achieving some victories aligned with (the Evangelical interpretation of) Christian Values, and not fear that you would be held accountable by god for pleading ignorance to that individual's actions that are likely to send him to hell.
The only alternative I can see is that you believe Trump is destined for heaven on the balance that he's doing more good than bad, and, that heaven is reserved for those who are 'mostly good' EVEN IF they never ask for forgiveness for their sins?
Blob,
There was no story without your beloved NewsCorp.
Simple as that.
I know that infomation is awkard for you, but you've gotta accept it.
Shorten and Gillard had politicsed Royal Commissions put against them which found nothing. And of course NewsCorp campaigned heavily against them too, and again they came away wanting.
So it's not like the media didn't try. There's simply not much evidence to your fabrications.
But don't be perturbed, keep on weaving. I know you will.
*Thinking out loud*
Is NewsCorp considered left wing media in Blob's world?
Stunet
When are you going to come to your senses?
Just admit the majority of media is full of left wing bias.
Americans know their rappers Stunet.
Kanye meeting Trump was a UUGE story only a couple of days ago.
A naked Melania on the Oval Office desk is a news editors dream right?....if it suits th narrative.
They report whatever suits their narrative AND YOU KNOW IT.
How about me equating the liberal media discussing Trumps cock and Stormy Daniels one day then whining he called her horse face the next.?
Would that be irrelevant?
There are ENDLESS stories of and about media bias you don't see .....because you refuse to.
Keep kicking or you'll sink.
You're losing it Blob.
Down with the rappers yo, multiple spelling errors, EXCESSIVE CAPITAL LETTERS, asserting what I supposedly know, repetitive point making, a completely hashed argument about Barnaby.
Your grip is slipping.
I don’t see it as misogyny, BB.
I think the fact that it’s a woman on the receiving end is utterly irrelevant and it shows your personal overreach on the issue - though it’s still a serious issue - to be revealing.
I think that Trump would treat everyone the same , it’s just that he’s not predisposed to grab men on the slug.
And there is absolutely zero connection between adultery and misogyny. Sure some misogynists may adulterate , but that’s not accounting for the vast , vast majority of adulterers that just love women....maybe too much !
And it’s like saying female adulterers hate men ie rubbish.
Also I’d say the power levels were EVEN. As evidenced by worldwide mirth on the topic , just because you’re holding a political position in no way are you immune from character and soul destroying personal attacks. If Trump didn’t have a hide like a rhino he could have been reduced to a quivering shell from the global attack on his manhood....remember the small hands jibes.
And people lost their shit when Julia got called a witch or when others laughed at the size of her arse.
Fuck , go easy on the spelling mistakes.
Next it’ll be misuse of commas .....or paragraphs.
In Appropriate use of punctuation is my cross to bear.
Stunet
So your argument dries up....
I'd say resorting to grammer pedantry is a sure sign of weakness hahah
My device is glitchy but I get by.
A list that's nearly two decades old?
And...?
Like I said mate, you're slipping.
OK OK, ignore the spelling errors, tell me more about WHAT I KNOW BUT REFUSE TO ACKNOWLEDGE.
You're good at that.
Good points Blowin.
It's not Trump V Stormy
It's Trump V corrupt media and their pawn.
She is in it for the money, maybe the limelight.
....and the media say they want a more respectful president.
Stunet
Am I slipping?
It's you that seems to be getting a little touchy....
Please don't accuse me falsely.... I asked you for what you know.
Of course you do like sniping but rarely seem to answer a straight question yourself.
You tell me....I'm not scared of the truth.
What % of journalists vote green or labor?
Do you think the % of journalists that vote green or labor has dropped over the last few years?
How many vote one nation in your guess?
Does journalist voting match the general public.?
Is the media mostly left leaning and politically active?.
Go ahead, you are free to tell me the facts.
I promise not to USE CAPITALS haha
Sweet baby Yeezy! This thread is mental! Are people outside the Swellnet bubble (not to be confused with our PMs bubble-work) reading this??
Again...
"The community works out that The Blob's only vulnerability is being left out in the cold.
They then banish it to the Arctic. One of the citizens notes that while the creature is not dead, at least it has been stopped. To this, another replies, "Yeah, as long as the Arctic stays cold".
Anyway, is Swellnet's The Blob proof that anthropogenic climate change is real?"
...and breathe...
"I think that Trump would treat everyone the same , it’s just that he’s not predisposed to grab men on the slug."
Sounds like Misogyny to me, AND a general willingness to disrespect and denigrate others including men to meet his own needs. I don't think being disrespectful in general discounts the immorality of being disrespectful to a group of people.
Perhaps you can elaborate Blowin so I can better understand your view?
factotum if Blob is a recently thawed anachronism from the Arctic, it makes you wonder what else might emerge as the great thaw continues. No offence Blob, it’s great to have someone prepared to argue so intensely for their views. I will return to our chat about the nature of human consciousness and its influence on attitudes to abortion when I have a bit more time.
Yocal - I think it’s a disrespect for people as a whole .
Isolating the disrespect for women is superfluous .
Strange how people get all bent out of shape if you claim to be a racist or sexist. They think it’s the true extent of horror. Yet you can tell the world youre a misanthrope and they’ll happily overlook it.
I’ve got a mate who would literally lynch racists if he thought he could get away with it , yet he has an intrinsic dislike of short people.
So he’ll hate on entire populations of countries such as the Philippines due to their physical stature without regret , but if anyone were to disparage Asians for being asians.....watch out.
A lot of people , most people , are like this to a degree.
(is that Indo too?)
Are we back to that already , Facto ?
Didn’t take you long.
As that great American philosopher (not D. Trump, by the way) once said:
"it's not a lie, if you believe it"
"Please don't accuse me falsely.... I asked you for what you know."
Blob, the only thing you asked me about was Barnaby Joyce and I gave you a reply from which you've since shirked. The rest was you telling me what I know or ignore. i.e "AND YOU KNOW IT" and "because you refuse to" etc etc. Stern, finger-pointing stuff.
Not sure why you're persisting with journalism bias as it's 2018, the biggest mogul here is Rupert, opinions of every stripe can be appeased on a thousand various news sites, corpos own the majors, and you'll never know how journalists vote anyway.
For instance, in 2013 the NewsCorp culture warriors attempted a survey of ABC journalists but only 35 out of a few thousand replied. No logical conclusions can be drawn from that.
More recently, and way more relevant than your 2001 link is this shift in methodology to ascertain bias:
"In an attempt to see past the political mud-throwing, Crikey hunted for ex-ABC people who went on to work for Labor or the Coalition — and we’ve found the spread is pretty even. As of Tuesday morning, we’ve found 15 ex-ABC people who went on to the Labor politicians, while 13 went to the Coalition camp."
So it's 15-13, eh?
Convincing...?
https://www.crikey.com.au/2012/06/25/speaking-of-media-independence-how-does-aunty-fare/
I am curious if you guys like DonaldTrump, or do you hate him?