Australian churches, Victoria, Qld, ACT, New Zealand offer sanctuary to asylum seekers

Sheepdog wrote:

indo-dreaming wrote:

Just a correction:

I said in one of my post Naru refugees are free to leave the detention centre (or concentration camps as some uneducated people refer to them) between 9:00 am to 9:00 pm, it seems this changed a while back to free to go as they please 24/7.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-03/nauru-to-grant-asylum-seekers-full...

Why would they want to leave the camps when they get bashed or raped?
http://www.refugeeaction.org.au/?p=3575

Sheepdog if your going to provide links please provide ones with some credibility, not bias propaganda websites.

Next you will be providing links from some 13 year old girls blog.

Yeah, there are no gangs in Aus.
What's your solution.

Thats much better Sheepdog, and I'm sure its real like i pointed out last week with links from this website http://www.nauru-news.com

You throw a heap of desperate people from a war torn country into someones backyard who don't want to be there and your bound to have conflict.

We also know desperate people do desperate things and these people will use whatever means to get to Australia they can, this situation is no different to two kids in a playground having a blue it would be silly to believe either side of the story as gospel and normally the truth is somewhere between the two stories.

https://www.facebook.com/800677566710701/videos/815185711926553

Aussie women complain all the time about Aussie men bringing home wives from Asian countries. They call them economic refugees but it's love and the relationships work better and if it's not love then maybe desperate people do desperate things. Keep out the Arabs/Muslims but bring in as many Asian wives as we can.

Nice link tim, is it just me or is he tearing up at the end?

The fragility of masculinity strikes again.

tim foilat wrote:

https://www.facebook.com/800677566710701/videos/815185711926553

Aussie women complain all the time about Aussie men bringing home wives from Asian countries. They call them economic refugees but it's love and the relationships work better and if it's not love then maybe desperate people do desperate things. Keep out the Arabs/Muslims but bring in as many Asian wives as we can.

Did you ever think to ask yourself why Australian men prefer Asian women to middle eastern women?

the question is what's the fucking poiint that tim foilat is making with that link?

playing the man again?

happyas' point was totally valid

What did you take out of tims post sd?

back to the issue.....i doubt many refugees will settle in png. never been there but i do know it has a poor social fabric with lots of unrest and violence. I reckon govt will take nzs offer, if they havent already.

Nauru has just cancelled tourist visas for Aust /NZ citizens .

No sheepdog as soon as i opened the link, i didn't even read it…its far left fantasy land link for far left fantasy land people.

Just like the link Tim provide, i clicked on it saw it was some crazy far right group and closed it, I'm not interested in listening to a far right crazy link from some random guy.

It doesn't interest me I can read both far left and far right crazy people views on social media there everywhere and don't add anything to the conversation.

I'm more interested in actually discussing the issues others rarely touch on in an intelligent mature thought provoking way, instead of pure emotion based far left far right trash we have all heard and read 100 times before.

udo wrote:

Nauru has just cancelled tourist visas for Aust /NZ citizens .

Yep wonder why.

Answer= Because they are obviously sick of bias journalist with agendas, I'm guessing todays report of the refugee being bashed was the last straw, when its quite obvious bias journalist are only picking the views they want too and not reporting the whole story. http://www.nauru-news.com/#!We-wont-cop-it-anymore-Nauru-Police/cjds/56b...

SD…again it seems your selecting isolated links, events to push your burrow. You mentioned 'gangs' of Nauru. My short statement is that, are there gangs in Aus ? Are you suggesting to me that in your suburb / town whatever there are no gangs, doing what gangs do ?
With respect to solutions, it needs to be a little more detail then simply - just let them in. As it has been said in this blog, planning and management of this process is essential. I can tell you first hand (not from reading some left propaganda) that the program used after 1949 was effective and efficient. Then it had nothing to do with race, colour or creed.
Already Bob Carr (who has an Asian wife btw), has suggested reduced migration recently. Maybe read why he suggests that.
Your use of accolades demean your statements.

the connotations to tumfoilats post were a little more serious and judging of character than indo d saying your link is the calibre of a 12 year old girl's, hardly playing the man from indo d, misjudging the link perhaps, the girl is clearly 16 at least.

tim foilat wrote:

https://www.facebook.com/800677566710701/videos/815185711926553

Aussie women complain all the time about Aussie men bringing home wives from Asian countries. They call them economic refugees but it's love and the relationships work better and if it's not love then maybe desperate people do desperate things. Keep out the Arabs/Muslims but bring in as many Asian wives as we can.

Curiosity got the best of me and despite the guy wearing a Aussie flag hat with an Aussie flag backdrop that rang alarm bells i watched the clip.

Having had long term Aussie girlfriends I've lived with when i was younger and having been married to an Indonesian girl for over 10 years and had Indonesian GF before that, i think there is a little bit of truth to what he is saying although not totally, my wife is happy to do traditional guy type roles and she gets angry with me if i don't help around the house so its not really that clear cut.

There is probably many reasons that some westerners like Asian girls, i think its in part a physical thing Asian girls to me a generally very feminine, generally petite with small soft features, plus to many of us caucasians have aspect that western culture often find attractive, brow skin, bigger lips, dark puppy dog eyes.

Or maybe its just an opposites attract factor.

Mentally my experience with Asian girls(well Indonesian) is like Western girls is they are all different, although where they live does have a big bearing on their outlook on life, values etc (Girls from big cites are often much different to girl from remote villages or even smaller city's)

Anyway i don't really see how the vid was related to the topic?

well you didn't have to spell it out sheepdog, but now that you have, yep there's plenty of ugly (in more ways than one) patriot type dudes that have incredible double standards in these matters, but using some right wing nutjob whose bitching about feminism as much as anything has snide connotations as it's barely relevant, but I'll watch it again because I couldn't sit through it the first time

Sheepdog wrote:

Indo, 18 yo impoverished female in say Myanmar tries to make her way to Australia..... Gets detained, locked up, called an "economic migrant", demonized....
Her 18 yo female friend who has a touch more money than her but still poor, puts her pic in a "wifes for sale" site..... 45 yo old Australian male who needs a young woman he can rule over travels there and "purchases" her.... She's no longer an economic migrant... She's a possession....

2 girls, same village, one is an economic migrant, the other is a tourist knick knack brought back through customs......

Same village but totally different circumstances, one's called a refugee the other an immigrant.

It's no different to comparing the first girl with a girl who applies to come to Australia as a student or fills some employment need that she legally may be able to do where their may be a shortage.

In the case your looking at the guy is actually sponsoring her and in most cases will have to ensure to cover here finically if she doesn't get a job and she won't be able to get SS benefits until after a certain period like three years, if he can't prove its a genuine relationship the application also might be rejected.

In all those above cases they will need to get full medicals, have a passport and jump all the hoops that often requires page of evidence and documents and can cost thousands of dollars just for the application that you wont get back if the Visa is rejected.

The issue is all about control in all the circumstances where the girl is coming in on a Visa the government has control, they can say yay or nay and say yay or nay to the thousands behind her.

The big problem with refugees that arrive by boat is if you say, yeah okay no problem get here and you can stay or even be processed is you don't have control of numbers and you have limited control to say nay.

It's all about control like it or not governments are all about control without it chaos reigns.

SD...if you happen to follow the links YOU provided, its clear the article headlined 'gangs'. So if you feel thats dishonest then that's a better side step than Alfie Langer.
You mention Canada's efforts in the Syrian conflict. Maybe also look at Saudi Arabia also. I trust you realise the Aus presence is purely against ISIS. taking More refugees needs to be managed. If Canada wishes to do that then that's their choice. Note what Sweden have decided plus other European nations regarding this.

Sheepdog wrote:

Indo, 18 yo impoverished female in say Myanmar tries to make her way to Australia..... Gets detained, locked up, called an "economic migrant", demonized....
Her 18 yo female friend who has a touch more money than her but still poor, puts her pic in a "wifes for sale" site..... 45 yo old Australian male who needs a young woman he can rule over travels there and "purchases" her.... She's no longer an economic migrant... She's a possession....

2 girls, same village, one is an economic migrant, the other is a tourist knick knack brought back through customs......

so? i still dont get it. SD are you suggesting that its wrong that the girl with a few more bucks gets ahead of the other?

sypkan wrote:

well you didn't have to spell it out sheepdog, but now that you have, yep there's plenty of ugly (in more ways than one) patriot type dudes that have incredible double standards in these matters, but using some right wing nutjob whose bitching about feminism as much as anything has snide connotations as it's barely relevant, but I'll watch it again because I couldn't sit through it the first time

not so much "right wing" as just 'moron'.

indo-dreaming wrote:

tim foilat wrote:

https://www.facebook.com/800677566710701/videos/815185711926553

Aussie women complain all the time about Aussie men bringing home wives from Asian countries. They call them economic refugees but it's love and the relationships work better and if it's not love then maybe desperate people do desperate things. Keep out the Arabs/Muslims but bring in as many Asian wives as we can.

Curiosity got the best of me and despite the guy wearing a Aussie flag hat with an Aussie flag backdrop that rang alarm bells i watched the clip.

Having had long term Aussie girlfriends I've lived with when i was younger and having been married to an Indonesian girl for over 10 years and had Indonesian GF before that, i think there is a little bit of truth to what he is saying although not totally, my wife is happy to do traditional guy type roles and she gets angry with me if i don't help around the house so its not really that clear cut.

There is probably many reasons that some westerners like Asian girls, i think its in part a physical thing Asian girls to me a generally very feminine, generally petite with small soft features, plus to many of us caucasians have aspect that western culture often find attractive, brow skin, bigger lips, dark puppy dog eyes.

Or maybe its just an opposites attract factor.

Mentally my experience with Asian girls(well Indonesian) is like Western girls is they are all different, although where they live does have a big bearing on their outlook on life, values etc (Girls from big cites are often much different to girl from remote villages or even smaller city's)

Anyway i don't really see how the vid was related to the topic?

It's a horrible video like most of the videos he makes, it illustrate how thoughtless these idiots are. His myopic view of gender roles and generalisations about Asians are not just stupid but completely contradictory to his raves on Muslims and how they force particular gender roles. Like you said the reasons are many and varied. That's not the reason for posting it.

Aussie guys do and have done for a long time, bought women from lower socio economic countries, to be brides. Literally paid for, like buying a slave basically. Women in these countries advertise themselves, they want a chance to come somewhere they have better economic prospects. They are economic refugees and for the most part this is readily accepted even by someone as warped as the patriot.

Why are economic refugees accepted in the sense that it's ok to buy someone out of catalog and bring them here but it's not ok for them to come of their own accord. People who oppose the intake of refugees always make a point of casting the worst dispersions on the 'economic refugees' as if this is the worst crime imaginable as bad as jumping the queue but the truth is we accept economic refugees all the time, most refugees are economic refugees in a sense, it's a completely moot point that the anti-refugee camp invent to make your average punter angry. Just like the jumping the queue shit, just like the million billion thousand refugees coming bullshit, just like the sharia law taking over garbage.

That was the point of the link, apologies for the content

tim foilat wrote:

indo-dreaming wrote:

tim foilat wrote:

https://www.facebook.com/800677566710701/videos/815185711926553

Aussie women complain all the time about Aussie men bringing home wives from Asian countries. They call them economic refugees but it's love and the relationships work better and if it's not love then maybe desperate people do desperate things. Keep out the Arabs/Muslims but bring in as many Asian wives as we can.

Curiosity got the best of me and despite the guy wearing a Aussie flag hat with an Aussie flag backdrop that rang alarm bells i watched the clip.

Having had long term Aussie girlfriends I've lived with when i was younger and having been married to an Indonesian girl for over 10 years and had Indonesian GF before that, i think there is a little bit of truth to what he is saying although not totally, my wife is happy to do traditional guy type roles and she gets angry with me if i don't help around the house so its not really that clear cut.

There is probably many reasons that some westerners like Asian girls, i think its in part a physical thing Asian girls to me a generally very feminine, generally petite with small soft features, plus to many of us caucasians have aspect that western culture often find attractive, brow skin, bigger lips, dark puppy dog eyes.

Or maybe its just an opposites attract factor.

Mentally my experience with Asian girls(well Indonesian) is like Western girls is they are all different, although where they live does have a big bearing on their outlook on life, values etc (Girls from big cites are often much different to girl from remote villages or even smaller city's)

Anyway i don't really see how the vid was related to the topic?

It's a horrible video like most of the videos he makes, it illustrate how thoughtless these idiots are. His myopic view of gender roles and generalisations about Asians are not just stupid but completely contradictory to his raves on Muslims and how they force particular gender roles. Like you said the reasons are many and varied. That's not the reason for posting it.

Aussie guys do and have done for a long time, bought women from lower socio economic countries, to be brides. Literally paid for, like buying a slave basically. Women in these countries advertise themselves, they want a chance to come somewhere they have better economic prospects. They are economic refugees and for the most part this is readily accepted even by someone as warped as the patriot.

Why are economic refugees accepted in the sense that it's ok to buy someone out of catalog and bring them here but it's not ok for them to come of their own accord. People who oppose the intake of refugees always make a point of casting the worst dispersions on the 'economic refugees' as if this is the worst crime imaginable as bad as jumping the queue but the truth is we accept economic refugees all the time, most refugees are economic refugees in a sense, it's a completely moot point that the anti-refugee camp invent to make your average punter angry. Just like the jumping the queue shit, just like the million billion thousand refugees coming bullshit, just like the sharia law taking over garbage.

That was the point of the link, apologies for the content

the difference may be this ........ http://www.liveinaustralia.com/spouse-visa/visa_descriptions_entitlement...

economic-refugees and economic-immigrant-brides do not seem to be entitled to the same economic status.

btw, not everyone is happy about it. i know one older bloke who bought a thai bride, broken up with her after a year and then talked about going back to get another....its disgusting.

tim foilat wrote:

indo-dreaming wrote:

tim foilat wrote:

https://www.facebook.com/800677566710701/videos/815185711926553

Aussie women complain all the time about Aussie men bringing home wives from Asian countries. They call them economic refugees but it's love and the relationships work better and if it's not love then maybe desperate people do desperate things. Keep out the Arabs/Muslims but bring in as many Asian wives as we can.

Curiosity got the best of me and despite the guy wearing a Aussie flag hat with an Aussie flag backdrop that rang alarm bells i watched the clip.

Having had long term Aussie girlfriends I've lived with when i was younger and having been married to an Indonesian girl for over 10 years and had Indonesian GF before that, i think there is a little bit of truth to what he is saying although not totally, my wife is happy to do traditional guy type roles and she gets angry with me if i don't help around the house so its not really that clear cut.

There is probably many reasons that some westerners like Asian girls, i think its in part a physical thing Asian girls to me a generally very feminine, generally petite with small soft features, plus to many of us caucasians have aspect that western culture often find attractive, brow skin, bigger lips, dark puppy dog eyes.

Or maybe its just an opposites attract factor.

Mentally my experience with Asian girls(well Indonesian) is like Western girls is they are all different, although where they live does have a big bearing on their outlook on life, values etc (Girls from big cites are often much different to girl from remote villages or even smaller city's)

Anyway i don't really see how the vid was related to the topic?

It's a horrible video like most of the videos he makes, it illustrate how thoughtless these idiots are. His myopic view of gender roles and generalisations about Asians are not just stupid but completely contradictory to his raves on Muslims and how they force particular gender roles. Like you said the reasons are many and varied. That's not the reason for posting it.

Aussie guys do and have done for a long time, bought women from lower socio economic countries, to be brides. Literally paid for, like buying a slave basically. Women in these countries advertise themselves, they want a chance to come somewhere they have better economic prospects. They are economic refugees and for the most part this is readily accepted even by someone as warped as the patriot.

Why are economic refugees accepted in the sense that it's ok to buy someone out of catalog and bring them here but it's not ok for them to come of their own accord. People who oppose the intake of refugees always make a point of casting the worst dispersions on the 'economic refugees' as if this is the worst crime imaginable as bad as jumping the queue but the truth is we accept economic refugees all the time, most refugees are economic refugees in a sense, it's a completely moot point that the anti-refugee camp invent to make your average punter angry. Just like the jumping the queue shit, just like the million billion thousand refugees coming bullshit, just like the sharia law taking over garbage.

That was the point of the link, apologies for the content

God your really clutching at straws now.

What a silly thing to compare it too, maybe I'm not mixing in the right circles, but my wife mixes with not just Indonesians which this scenario is very very rare but mixes in the Thai community and Philippine community where it is a little more common (maybe because of the religion thing) of all the mixed couples I've met which is quite a few, only a handful fall into this category and most are of similar age, personally i think it a bit of a cliché that developed from the 80,s when the mail order bride was actually common and mixed Euro-Asian relationships were not so common.

IMO its quite rare to come across that young asian village girl with the old white guy mail order bride thing in Australia its the exception now and not the rule, i actually think your view and post screams of a stereotyping and racism and is a very old school cliché view of mixed relationships.

Ive got a funny feeling the government might have learnt its lesson on this issue.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-02-20/baby-asha-immigration-officers--la...

I don't expect we will be seeing any refugees from offshore detention centres adults or children set foot in Australia for any reason, any medical matters or anything else that can't be dealt with in either Naru or Manus you would expect will be dealt with in Port moresby PNG.

Nauru cancels visas

What a joke. Who the fuck visits nauru
The place is a giant tip/refugee farm.

inzider wrote:

Nauru cancels visas

What a joke. Who the fuck visits nauru
The place is a giant tip/refugee farm.

You do understand why?

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-02-19/nauru-cancels-visitor-visas-for-au...

Its quite obvious it's not to stop tourist, its to stop the current problem of left wing journalist and other crazies stirring up trouble.

I assume the last straw for the government was the link Sheepdog posted above about the refugees being bashed, while the true situation and other problems are being totally ignored by the media because that picture does not suit the picture they want to paint.

If they actually reported both sides of the story and let people decide I'm sure they wouldn't be banned.

By the way, its not very nice to imply refugees are garbage, i don't agree with the way they enter, but its not their fault its the system that accepted responsibility for them, they are just taking advantage of the system.

indo-dreaming wrote:

tim foilat wrote:

indo-dreaming wrote:

tim foilat wrote:

https://www.facebook.com/800677566710701/videos/815185711926553

Aussie women complain all the time about Aussie men bringing home wives from Asian countries. They call them economic refugees but it's love and the relationships work better and if it's not love then maybe desperate people do desperate things. Keep out the Arabs/Muslims but bring in as many Asian wives as we can.

Curiosity got the best of me and despite the guy wearing a Aussie flag hat with an Aussie flag backdrop that rang alarm bells i watched the clip.

Having had long term Aussie girlfriends I've lived with when i was younger and having been married to an Indonesian girl for over 10 years and had Indonesian GF before that, i think there is a little bit of truth to what he is saying although not totally, my wife is happy to do traditional guy type roles and she gets angry with me if i don't help around the house so its not really that clear cut.

There is probably many reasons that some westerners like Asian girls, i think its in part a physical thing Asian girls to me a generally very feminine, generally petite with small soft features, plus to many of us caucasians have aspect that western culture often find attractive, brow skin, bigger lips, dark puppy dog eyes.

Or maybe its just an opposites attract factor.

Mentally my experience with Asian girls(well Indonesian) is like Western girls is they are all different, although where they live does have a big bearing on their outlook on life, values etc (Girls from big cites are often much different to girl from remote villages or even smaller city's)

Anyway i don't really see how the vid was related to the topic?

It's a horrible video like most of the videos he makes, it illustrate how thoughtless these idiots are. His myopic view of gender roles and generalisations about Asians are not just stupid but completely contradictory to his raves on Muslims and how they force particular gender roles. Like you said the reasons are many and varied. That's not the reason for posting it.

Aussie guys do and have done for a long time, bought women from lower socio economic countries, to be brides. Literally paid for, like buying a slave basically. Women in these countries advertise themselves, they want a chance to come somewhere they have better economic prospects. They are economic refugees and for the most part this is readily accepted even by someone as warped as the patriot.

Why are economic refugees accepted in the sense that it's ok to buy someone out of catalog and bring them here but it's not ok for them to come of their own accord. People who oppose the intake of refugees always make a point of casting the worst dispersions on the 'economic refugees' as if this is the worst crime imaginable as bad as jumping the queue but the truth is we accept economic refugees all the time, most refugees are economic refugees in a sense, it's a completely moot point that the anti-refugee camp invent to make your average punter angry. Just like the jumping the queue shit, just like the million billion thousand refugees coming bullshit, just like the sharia law taking over garbage.

That was the point of the link, apologies for the content

God your really clutching at straws now.

What a silly thing to compare it too, maybe I'm not mixing in the right circles, but my wife mixes with not just Indonesians which this scenario is very very rare but mixes in the Thai community and Philippine community where it is a little more common (maybe because of the religion thing) of all the mixed couples I've met which is quite a few, only a handful fall into this category and most are of similar age, personally i think it a bit of a cliché that developed from the 80,s when the mail order bride was actually common and mixed Euro-Asian relationships were not so common.

IMO its quite rare to come across that young asian village girl with the old white guy mail order bride thing in Australia its the exception now and not the rule, i actually think your view and post screams of a stereotyping and racism and is a very old school cliché view of mixed relationships.

yeah I was stereotyping and being racist, lol, because I ask why Australians think it's perfectly acceptable to buy women and bring them here as economic refugees but want to rant and rave about the problems economic refugees will create. Just pointing out the hypocrisy in your camp.

Are you trying to say that the mail order bride market doesn't exist now?
When these women are brought to Australia they benefit from the collective input of taxes, just like your wife has and does, what gives her the right to come here and benefit like that, just because you choose to sponsor her?

indo-dreaming wrote:

inzider wrote:

Nauru cancels visas

What a joke. Who the fuck visits nauru
The place is a giant tip/refugee farm.

You do understand why?

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-02-19/nauru-cancels-visitor-visas-for-au...

Its quite obvious it's not to stop tourist, its to stop the current problem of left wing journalist and other crazies stirring up trouble.

I assume the last straw for the government was the link Sheepdog posted above about the refugees being bashed, while the true situation and other problems are being totally ignored by the media because that picture does not suit the picture they want to paint.

If they actually reported both sides of the story and let people decide I'm sure they wouldn't be banned.

By the way, its not very nice to imply refugees are garbage, i don't agree with the way they enter, but its not their fault its the system that accepted responsibility for them, they are just taking advantage of the system.

"Left wing journalists and other crazies stirring up trouble", straight out of the Steve price book of protecting pedophiles, get rid of the tin foil hat mate

tim foilat wrote:

indo-dreaming wrote:

tim foilat wrote:

indo-dreaming wrote:

tim foilat wrote:

https://www.facebook.com/800677566710701/videos/815185711926553

Aussie women complain all the time about Aussie men bringing home wives from Asian countries. They call them economic refugees but it's love and the relationships work better and if it's not love then maybe desperate people do desperate things. Keep out the Arabs/Muslims but bring in as many Asian wives as we can.

Curiosity got the best of me and despite the guy wearing a Aussie flag hat with an Aussie flag backdrop that rang alarm bells i watched the clip.

Having had long term Aussie girlfriends I've lived with when i was younger and having been married to an Indonesian girl for over 10 years and had Indonesian GF before that, i think there is a little bit of truth to what he is saying although not totally, my wife is happy to do traditional guy type roles and she gets angry with me if i don't help around the house so its not really that clear cut.

There is probably many reasons that some westerners like Asian girls, i think its in part a physical thing Asian girls to me a generally very feminine, generally petite with small soft features, plus to many of us caucasians have aspect that western culture often find attractive, brow skin, bigger lips, dark puppy dog eyes.

Or maybe its just an opposites attract factor.

Mentally my experience with Asian girls(well Indonesian) is like Western girls is they are all different, although where they live does have a big bearing on their outlook on life, values etc (Girls from big cites are often much different to girl from remote villages or even smaller city's)

Anyway i don't really see how the vid was related to the topic?

It's a horrible video like most of the videos he makes, it illustrate how thoughtless these idiots are. His myopic view of gender roles and generalisations about Asians are not just stupid but completely contradictory to his raves on Muslims and how they force particular gender roles. Like you said the reasons are many and varied. That's not the reason for posting it.

Aussie guys do and have done for a long time, bought women from lower socio economic countries, to be brides. Literally paid for, like buying a slave basically. Women in these countries advertise themselves, they want a chance to come somewhere they have better economic prospects. They are economic refugees and for the most part this is readily accepted even by someone as warped as the patriot.

Why are economic refugees accepted in the sense that it's ok to buy someone out of catalog and bring them here but it's not ok for them to come of their own accord. People who oppose the intake of refugees always make a point of casting the worst dispersions on the 'economic refugees' as if this is the worst crime imaginable as bad as jumping the queue but the truth is we accept economic refugees all the time, most refugees are economic refugees in a sense, it's a completely moot point that the anti-refugee camp invent to make your average punter angry. Just like the jumping the queue shit, just like the million billion thousand refugees coming bullshit, just like the sharia law taking over garbage.

That was the point of the link, apologies for the content

God your really clutching at straws now.

What a silly thing to compare it too, maybe I'm not mixing in the right circles, but my wife mixes with not just Indonesians which this scenario is very very rare but mixes in the Thai community and Philippine community where it is a little more common (maybe because of the religion thing) of all the mixed couples I've met which is quite a few, only a handful fall into this category and most are of similar age, personally i think it a bit of a cliché that developed from the 80,s when the mail order bride was actually common and mixed Euro-Asian relationships were not so common.

IMO its quite rare to come across that young asian village girl with the old white guy mail order bride thing in Australia its the exception now and not the rule, i actually think your view and post screams of a stereotyping and racism and is a very old school cliché view of mixed relationships.

yeah I was stereotyping and being racist, lol, because I ask why Australians think it's perfectly acceptable to buy women and bring them here as economic refugees but want to rant and rave about the problems economic refugees will create. Just pointing out the hypocrisy in your camp.

Are you trying to say that the mail order bride market doesn't exist now?
When these women are brought to Australia they benefit from the collective input of taxes, just like your wife has and does, what gives her the right to come here and benefit like that, just because you choose to sponsor her?

The government can and does turn down people who can not prove their relationship is genuine.

Your views on mixed couples is outdated and racist, your generalising on mixed couples as being together for economic reasons when you have no idea what the reasons these people are together for, yes I'm sure it happens but in my experience its rare and like i said before if the government can prove its not a genuine relationship they can and do reject people.

If you want to use the economic migrant argument you should just use people who come to Australia for a better job or life (not based on a relationship), that is a 100% true economic migrant.

Your getting the issues of migration and refugees mixed up and if you look through my post you will see I'm not against refugees at all, i am only against the unequal and unfair system that some like you support but myself and liberal and labour have the common sense not too.

The irony of your view is you think your compassionate, when you actually want a system that is unfair and unequal.

BTW. I know you didn't say she has, but just for the record my wife has never received any social security or other government benefits, other than medicare and material leave and apart from taking six months maternity leave has worked since a few week after he arrived in OZ.

tim foilat wrote:

indo-dreaming wrote:

inzider wrote:

Nauru cancels visas

What a joke. Who the fuck visits nauru
The place is a giant tip/refugee farm.

You do understand why?

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-02-19/nauru-cancels-visitor-visas-for-au...

Its quite obvious it's not to stop tourist, its to stop the current problem of left wing journalist and other crazies stirring up trouble.

I assume the last straw for the government was the link Sheepdog posted above about the refugees being bashed, while the true situation and other problems are being totally ignored by the media because that picture does not suit the picture they want to paint.

If they actually reported both sides of the story and let people decide I'm sure they wouldn't be banned.

By the way, its not very nice to imply refugees are garbage, i don't agree with the way they enter, but its not their fault its the system that accepted responsibility for them, they are just taking advantage of the system.

"Left wing journalists and other crazies stirring up trouble", straight out of the Steve price book of protecting pedophiles, get rid of the tin foil hat mate

Its a cliche but ignorance really is bliss yeah.

SD...you referenced the article re 'gangs'. Ok, given the article had the headline of Gangs, and you did not say 'gangs' then it is fair to say you are not in full agreement to the article or its accuracy.
You say you provide links but it now seems that you not necessary in agreement with them...
Again your points are being diminished. So be it.

Sheepdog wrote:

Indo.... In your link where you write about "Its quite obvious it's not to stop tourist, its to stop the current problem of left wing journalist and other crazies stirring up trouble. -" I assume the last straw for the government"

Probably best not to "assume", yeah?..... In your very own link, here's what a spokes person for Nauru said;
"Changes in visa policy implemented after ABC dishonestly entered country as tourist and failed to declare they were media," the Government said on its Twitter account before deleting the tweet.
A later tweet said the Government stood by its claims about "journalists entering illegally".

Here was the ABC's response;
"A spokesperson for ABC News said: "There is no ABC News journalist on assignment in Nauru. ABC News journalists have applied through official channels for journalist visas to visit Nauru, not for tourist visas".

So, Nauru were caught OUTRIGHT lying, deleted the lie, then re worded the lie....

Also note the non "crazy left" Murdoch owned "Australian newspaper" has not been allowed on...

You're now making stuff up on the run, Indo..... Well that's what i assume....

My link was to provide some background to what i was discussing, not to be used as pure evidence.

It was to help point out that true tourist have nothing to do with the issue.

SD...if you happen to go chasing waves in South Africa, have a nice walk around Durban or Joburg. Or if in PNG maybe through port moresby. Or Lakemba if in Sydney. Or many other places on this planet. Again not a bad side step but nowhere as good as Alfie. Sorry but I will stick to what the director of Northcott (for disabled people), suggested - refugee help needs to be managed. It cannot be just bring them all in. Europe is now changing its ways.

This is an interesting read #

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/malcolm-turnbulls-...

Amazing that only a few have taken up the offers of resettlement in PNG or Cambodia the cash payment of Aud $10K is an amazing deal, id imagine these countries you get a similar amount of bang for your buck that you wold in village areas in Indonesia and Aud $10K could get you a modest house and land in many areas of Indo outside of cities, you would imagine a similar situation in Cambodia and PNG.

Its actually crazy that the government just doesn't say choose one or the other, because these are your only options, i mean even if they make deals with Indo or Philippines etc they most likely will just say no we don't want to go there, in that case it will be very hard to argue these people are not country shopping.

# By providing a link it does not necessarily mean i agree with everything in the link, this link is provided for discussion and interest/conversational purposes only.

Know squat all about Cambodia but in PNG, it may be 3rd world, but you don't buy land there you lease it but only after you deal with the local traditional owners ..... and then what do you do for work? ................................

it surprises me this topic is still boiling away ....sheepster ... then the barbie ... followed by indo .... and indo .... maybe someone else (tim f ) or indo .... then sheepy .... the barbie .... ... ..... .....

life would be so much easier if we had donald trump as our leader, he would just build a big (good) wall ......

http://www.abc.net.au/insiders/content/2015/s4410698.htm ...... sheepster you must watch this... ...

but hang on we had the worst PM in the universe and he did build a wall .......... between us and anyone that got in the way of his filthy political ambition ..........

and now the AMA is saying Tony's (and now Malcolm's ) wall is tearing the moral fabric of the country apart ........... perfectly said ....

http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/ama-president-b...

From Floyd's age link (statement from head of AMA)

"Professor Owler lashed the Department of Immigration, recalling one meeting he had had with the department as "the worst I have ever attended."

"When are these people going to grow up and stop putting on military uniforms and giving themselves medals" he asked the audience of around 350 health professionals in Sydney.

He said some AMA members and health workers had been intimidated by the department after speaking out about their concerns"

That's what I see is another huge risk here- the increasing militarisation of non-military institutions.

I just can't get my head around how the government was so stupid to let these refugees into Australia, i thought the deal was done with PNG to use their international standard hospital, it was quite obvious there was a good chance shit would get stirred up.

Maybe the deal didn't go through?

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jul/30/nauru-asylum-seekers-needin...

It's all just dirty shit ID, no wonder it is getting so messy.

indo says " ..... i thought the deal was done with PNG to use their {{{international standard}}} hospital ....."

Where did you pull that one from indo? surely not from the pit at EP.

so indo, i've been to PNG and the travel insurance is high coz it includes a premium to air-vac you home to Cairns, seriously split your head open on a reef and the local doctors will give you some temporary treatment but only for the time it takes for the $80,000 plus air ambulance with AU doctors on board to get to you.

As my GP (who worked in PNG for 3 years as a newly qualified doctor) said to me ... don't go to the hospital at Kaveing and don't go to the hospital at Port Moresby, just get on a plane and get home as quickly as possible.