What's what?

No one is saying throw the baby out with the bathwater. And to be honest, despite all the fear from certain people, I'm surprised how well debate has held up post trump/brexit considering, three years on...

but there is no conversation, we're still too busy fighting over the boundaries. three years on...

Speaking of babies and filthy tepid bath water, and post-May, whaddya reckon with Boris as Pommy PM?

Forget Brexit, bring on Brit-split.

Scotland. Ulster.

Yew!

Wild in the streets!

And bonus! We Aussies get a new flag!

I like boris

Of course you do. 'Cos you is a anarchist.

If he inadvertently produces the Brit-split, then I will 'like' him too. Like a living version of Monthy Python's Upper-class Twit of the Year sketch. Funny stuff. If it doesn't affect you, I guess.

best of a bad bunch

In Back to the Future II... Mobster Biff bosses Pleasure..(*Doc' steps on a Butterfly)
(Doc returns to Wild West & pumps life into Butterfly's wings with steam gizmo!)

Just then Wild West Trump,Scomo,Boris were reheating beans & lighting their farts.

Marty re reads 24/5/2019 [Newscorpslab] " Biff Clones Rule the World "

....Doctor Who? Marty to Hovership ... Beam me up Scotty!

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Worthwhile to who, BB?

The V.I. collective on here?

MacroBlowie?

Hahahahaha.

Sad but true.

How good is Swellnet?

BB, from one of the researchers of your The Conversation article - "we’re not arguing that low migration or population is bad. We couldn’t include much detail comparing environmental implications of different scenarios, but they are not insignificant."

In addition, what about "Australia’s economy is addicted to immigration, requiring ever-increasing infusions of new people to stave off an inevitable collapse"?

https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/10/03/australia-the-worlds-first-immigrat...

Worthwhile data ?!?!

Open your fucking eyes you idiot.

I don't understand why any would quote laughable "reduced" immigration numbers.
One year of Scomo Plane People dwarfs those figures...1m students here right now!
Every city planner blames unaccounted Plane People not lesser immigration no's.

Scomo imports more Plane People/yr than whole History of Boat People.
Plane People- double the fake 160,000 immigration numbers...We all know this!
You can't talk immigration without scomo's record people smuggling racket.

I'll get back on Human Misery Lib donor scams soon enough...So fuckin sick that is!

TBB, got any links to 'real' numbers?

Liberal Party Donation Scams disguised as crackdown policy.
Libs torture the ill & dying for Lib Party Donations then send us the bill.

*Parakeelia...(What's yours is mine)
Each Liberal Subscriber (Compulsory) Signs up then bills Voter as entitlement.
Each Lib puts in $3,000 min & we match that amount...

*Indue Card...(LNP Corp) charges Govt $12,000/Card.
Welfare Card spend goes only to Mining Corp Store Franchises & other Lib Donors.
Lib Donors have a Closed shop on inflating prices to our 1st Australians/Poorest

*Paladin/Serco/JDA (Detention Centre Rorts)
All are Lib Donor Companies stacked with Lib Executives.
Contracts are inflated to $Billions & designed to meet targets for more contracts.
Heaps of money to buy off Local Officials & keep 3rd parties from investigating.

Staff are made to fill in Target Charts for Patients who they never even met.
If staff refuse as most do, then they're sacked...not a word or wages are lost!
Endless loop goes on forever...Refugees aint going anywhere fast as we all see.
Lib companies avoid tax by funnelling money into Island shacks.
https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2019-05-05/refugee-caseworkers-in-png-tol...

*Visa Scams note: (Dutto is LNP major Donor...How is that possible?)
This is a long going investigation...
Much like the fraudulent ("Language Test" Pass Rate) money is the object.
Let's just say English lessons can be pretty expensive.(Watch any 4 corners).

*Great Barrier Reef foundation.
Govt hand out $500m to Lib executive Miners for Shortcut through the reef.
Miners fit Science Labs to cargo ships to cross Reef Instead of going around it!
Scientific Research Cargo Ship saves further $500m in time & fuel. Win! Win!
Crown of Thorns starfish gets levelled & saves the Reef, fuck the Climate Scientists.

*Helloworld (Fly by Nite/Day scam)
HelloWorld is run by Fed Lib Treasurer who backs up Lib Mbne Port scam.
Exterminator triggers the sensor & Smooth Joe irons out the creases.
Crew know all about HelloWorld inflated Govt Pricing & Lib Freebies. (No secret)
Note: Sick Refugees (Route) New Guinea > C' Island > Perth > New Guinea ect.
That's Scomo policy! Lib contract for HelloWorld...$100,000 per reffo medivac!
Scomo:"Is he good for another round!"...Just throw the $100,000 on the fridge!

*Murray River Buy Back scam...
Likely another "Angus" Snowy River Rort in the wash-up!
Again ! Crew Know about Barnyard's record $100m pay out To Lib MP for nothing.

Note: (Ex #1 Lib Donor was always 'Turnbull')
(New Top 2 Lib Donors) Visa rort Dutto #1 + Water rat Angus #2
Ask! If these guys are doing their jobs, where is the hell is the money coming from?

Human Misery & Oz Resource were just rubber stamped as Lib's Cashcow.

https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/wrens-week-pa...

I saw a Housing industry statistic of 400,000 for last financial year.

It’s their business to know. Non partisan accounting figures.

What does that include - immigrants, students, backpackers, other temporary work visas?

AndyM ... (note) These stats increase by record amount each year!

'Yearly' Additional Bridging Visas (2017- 136,000) > (2018- 176,000)

'Total' Temporary Visas in the system (2017-1,893,000) > (2018- 2,000,000)

'Total' Student Visas (2017-753,000) > (2018 -876,400) stats' are undercooked!
Federal Govt 'Total' Graph Shows these figures should be nudging 1 million
https://internationaleducation.gov.au/research/International-Student-Dat...

2017-2018 ( 200,000/yr students 'Switched Visas' to stay longer / permanent)
This represents about 20-25% of o/s students are seeking residency.

485 (Protection) student visas (2017- 34,000) > (2018 - 50,000)(from Asia-India)

457 (Work visas) ( 2017-2018) Dropped by 10%-15%
Due to compulsory Oz Farm manhandle + (bodies in a barrel accom).
Also no access to work hours in Backpacker havens- Syd/Newcastle/Bne/Goldy

As you can see AndyM ...lowering immigration to 160,000 is fake news.
Tbb can verify that State/City planners are struggling to cope with student transit.
People in the know even Abbott want Libs to gear down student visas.
Tbb has also read that increasingly Unis are 'mostly' funded by foreign students
Also that foreign students are outnumbering Oz students.

Oz employers no longer value Oz Uni Cereal Box degrees.
Last year over 50,000 Oz students left for o/s Degrees just to land an Oz Job!
My son said his Teacher's course wasn't worth the money...
Biding time at Maccas waiting for Uni to get real...(Seriously!)
Oz kidz know they're paying more for shittier degrees...it's only getting worse.
We know this is true as Uni Teachers are walking as I wrap this up!

Andy - Permanent residents.

TBB - Bodies in the barrel accom !

Excellent work , cobber.

Blowie is a fucking bigot.

Any argument?

And why be scared to admit it in this environment?

Own it, gronk.

Don't be scared and hide behind some embarrassing and bullshit fake 'working class' crud, you scab maggot.

@Facto,

You a fan of the early-80s deregulation by Hawke/Keating? If so, do you reckon if you were voting age and of the same political persuasion as now you would've opposed them? I often wonder how I would've reacted to the Accord et al, though in hindisight I see that they were visionary in that those two looked into the crystal ball, recognising the immutable path the world was on, didn't deny that path and consign themselves to perpetual opposition, but grabbed it and overlaid it with Labor colours.

Doncha reckon that, just like the late-70s and early-80s, fundamental changes are occuring around the world? Feels to me that if Labor denies what's happening they'll head down a path of perpetual opposition. May as well get out ahead of it and own it the same way they owned it in the early-80s.

It was called Economic Rationalism then, call it Economic Nationalism now, and let the two bookend the experiment with Neo-Liberalism. 

I don't agree with some of what Blowin says around race and culture, feels to me like power structures are being ignored or abused, but it also feels to me like the outline of something much bigger is taking shape in the mist, and there's an opportunity to be seized.

Or maybe I'm just kidding myself...

not sure this is relevant or not to your comment above stu but a lot of the context of Hawke becoming PM was lingering resentment about the dismissal and Frazer's role in it and also(in relative terms given what has followed) the small cuts to the public services (while Howard was his treasurer he later rewrote history stating the Frazer government years were a wasted opportunity).

Of course if you accept the basic premise of your whole comment (which I do) you must also accept the drift to the right all political parties have undertaken in the last 40 years. So what's left and right these days precisely?

Stu, it's pretty obvious that Labor need to differentiate themselves rather than just being shit-lite.

Do they do this with environmental and social policies while carefully dialling back the economic aspects or, if I'm reading you right, do they blatantly spruik a form of economic nationalism.

I'd love to see governments take back control of basic infrastructure and natural monopolies but I just don't think it would fly at all.

How would Labor combat the media and the corporations, assuming that they would ever manage a sincere desire to do so?

The resulting shitfight would make the anti-mining tax campaign look like a piss in the ocean.

Yeah I see a lot of will for fundamental change around the world but I'm waiting to see profound structural change i.e. the results of both Brexit and also the U.S. / China trade war.

'How would Labor combat the media and the corporations, assuming that they would ever manage a sincere desire to do so?"

Absolutely. And that's the crux. Forget about the use of 'sincere'. That's media residue.

The real Chinese curse is happening.

"May you live in interesting times."

Sweet baby Jesus, if Liverpool get beat next week...

"So what's left and right these days precisely?"

I think you know my stance on that GS ;)

Just spitballing Andy...

At this point, I expect Labor could only ever return by Bradbury. Can't see it happening any other way.

Also, by Economic Nationalism I don't mean all utilities become state-owned but rather the govt selects those that really matter to Australians right now with the express end of reducing cost of living pressures.

There's a strategic aspect about EN that should be considered: Have you noticed some Liberals are cheering on Trump and his tariff raising protectionism, while others are laissez faire fundamentalists, and if you're thinking to yourself, "Hey, those positions aren't compatible which makes them ripe for wedging" well then you read my mind.

Labor should watch developments overseas very, very closely because the two positions are contradictory and Trump could well open up a yawning gap between them.

"You a fan of the early-80s deregulation by Hawke/Keating?"

No, Stu. And I don't know if I would couch it in those terms. But I will go into it in more detail when I get into work.

"with the express end of reducing cost of living pressures."
"those positions aren't compatible which makes them ripe for wedging"

It'd have to be the mother of all tactical battles.

More smart moves by Scomo.

He has appointed Ken Wyatt, first ever Indigenous person as indigenous affairs minister, plus almost half the cabinet is made up of women.

7 women out of 22 positions = almost half? Never let the facts get in the way of a good spin.

Meanwhile in the real world of facts.

https://www.michaelwest.com.au/election-2019-big-business-has-a-go-gets-...

Okay list i saw wasn't that many positions (maybe it was only newly appointed positions), still a good chunk though almost 1/3

Yep Westo, how good is plutocracy?

"To borrow from the parlance of the Prime Minister, the big corporations are definitely “having a go to get a go”. Citizens however, briefly, had their go the other day. And, having made their decision in favour of the Coalition, have given a really good go to multinationals."

God bless Australia.

Oi!

Re smart move Scomo

"He remains the only person to bring a piece of fossil fuel into parliament.

A former advertising executive and head of Tourism Australia, the man actually sourced a piece of coal, brought the piece of coal into parliament and handed around the piece of coal to his colleagues and friends.

The pet rock, which needs to be fed with subsidies in order to keep it alive, is expected to become a member of the government’s front bench, probably wearing a stupid fucking cap."

That pet rock’s definitely got a place in the LNP cabinet.

"7 women out of 22 positions = almost half?"

I believe 22/7 is pretty close to Pi. Mmmmm, Pi.

Mmmm.... Duff pi, vj?

Plutocracy pie?

Perhaps Slomo is channelling more of the almighty in choosing 22/7 women Cabinet Ministers? All part of the great miracle perhaps?

"Pi is considered divine, but not in the literal sense. The number is ‘transcendental’ in mathematical terms. A mathematician, Johann Lambert, gave proof that pi is irrational by giving the tangent of x using continued fraction.

The number of digits in the number pi is a phenomenon in itself. Humans can never find all the digits of number pi because of its very definition. Babylonian civilization used the fraction 3 ⅛, the Chinese used the integer 3. By 1665, Isaac Newton calculated pi to 16 decimal places. This was before the computers were invented, so determining 16 digits was a big deal. It was in the early 1700s that Thomas Lagney calculated 127 decimal places of pi reaching a new record. In the second half of the twentieth century, the number of digits of pi increased from about 2000 to 500,000 on the CDC 600. But this record was broken to a whole new level in 2017 when a Swiss scientist computed more than 22 trillion digits of pi which took more than a hundred days."

i.e,

pi is llike a promise that never eventuates.

"It is my vision for this country, as your Prime Minister, to keep the promise of Australia, to all Australians."

Whoops, wrong thread.

I liked the Pi quote WOL. Just imagine how perfect your circle would be if you got all of the decimal places (haha) - like Pokemon "gotta catch 'em all!"

I'm a big fan of the golden ratio myself.

Stu on economic nationalism, if you want a place to start, GAS. We are currently exporting at 6.90 and re-importing at 9 or higher. Direct economic drain that also sends our manufacturers out of business.

& speaking of wedges Stu, here's the ultimate wedgie from the left, vision courtesy of Denmark:

https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2019/05/destroy-scomo-eighteen-months/

This is how the ALP win.

velocityjohnno "Gas buyback may still prove cheaper than our Water buyback?"
Andy reckon's the whole of Oz is now riding on the 'Pet Rock's Back'...He's right!
tbb is sure Lib' Women MP's have to employ male secretaries/Boy Fridays & Teamen!

Re: this Denmark stuff getting peddled about. Another case of casting about for stuff that backs up a certain view and then doing some dodgy conflation.

Denmark and Australia are VASTLY different. Geographically, economically, culturally, politically.

Denmark is in Europe. We're a settler nation in Asia.

Denmark has a long history of being racially and culturally homogenous. Actually so does our country. However, post-settlement Australia has been a nation of immigrants from all over the joint, and even moreso post-war.

Denmark is rightly seen as a progressive social democratic nation. Australia? Erm...?

Anyway, post EU election result?

https://www.thelocal.dk/20190527/eu-elections-danish-centrists-perform-s...

https://www.thelocal.dk/20190527/analysis-what-does-the-eu-election-resu...

And in the UK...

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/ng-interactive/2019/may/26/european...

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/may/27/remain-hard-brexit-what...

Remember, there was about a 40% voter turn-out.

Also, something I find interesting, Scotland voted overwhelmingly to remain. It's the SNPs platform.

And Ulster?

"Three women have been elected to represent Northern Ireland in the European Parliament.

The pro-Remain Alliance Party won a seat for the first time after hugely increasing its vote in the NI poll.

Its leader Naomi Long collected 170,370 votes - 115,000 more than her party received in the 2014 European election.

Diane Dodds of the pro-Brexit Democratic Unionist Party (DUP) and Martina Anderson of pro-EU Sinn Féin both retained their seats.

Taoiseach (Irish Prime Minister) Leo Varadkar hailed Mrs Long's victory as a historic, pro-European vote which would be "heard across the continent".

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-politics-48370936

How this bodes for a PM Boris Brexiteer future?

slow news week ? here's some bullshit happening somewhere,,

Brexit is a turning point in modern democracy.

The European Empire is starting to show its true colours. Time to bell the cat.

https://brexitcentral.com/shocked-i-say-appear-establishment-conspiracy-...

"Brexit is a turning point in modern democracy."

Haha. More deeply ignorant Blowie bombast.

Modern democracy since when? And where?

Linking this sort of UKIPPER guff ain't gonna cut it...

"But as one wag put it over the weekend, on 4th July 1776 the United States of America crashed out of the British Empire without a deal. And it has never looked back. Thanks to the political venality of Theresa May, the choice facing our country is between freedom and serfdom."

Have you considered how and why the EU came about? The post-war history? The 1946 call from Winston Churchill for a "United States of Europe"?

A different kind of case could be made that some radical upheaval is at hand. Not particularly good. Well, for the little people.

And in the Brexit case, the little isolated Englanders.

You definitely can't lump in Scotland and NI there.

Meanwhile in Australia...

Our Ad Man, the Prime Marketer, ProMo has been busy on the job.

Wow! Record number of women in cabinet! Aboriginal Australian Ken Wyatt in charge of Indigenous Affairs!

Positive splash all the over the news media.

These guys, haven't heard about so much...

https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/stuart-robert...

The Brexit mess just goes to what happens when enough people get sucked in with popularism. Oh, the irony of Boris now in court for allegedly lying (well he fuckin well did repeatedly) in the referendum "leave" campaign and how that might set a precedent in law about criminal behaviour if politicians lie. Now if nothing else that would drastically improve democracy. Anyone fancy truth in advertising from all politicians?

Boris for PM! Scotland and NI implore you, Tory twits!

Brit-split!

As for Ken Wyatt...

https://theyvoteforyou.org.au/people/representatives/hasluck/ken_wyatt?f...

Amongst many other things, he voted strongly against increasing Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander land rights by, for example, increasing their legal recognition and protection.

Surprise!

He's a fucking Liberal!

Tony Blair lied to ensure the deaths of hundreds of thousands and he walked.

This isn’t about political accountability, it’s about preventing Brexit and eradicating the power of democracy.

Boris getting jailed for political bullshit. Like when Hanson got jailed....when they get uppity , throw ‘me in the stockade to think about it.

Evil shit. Irrespective of your political persuasion, this is a perversion of democracy.

Ssssssssh, whatever you're flogging you need to be honest about it.

If corporations are legally required to be honest when selling you a car or a fridge or holiday why is it okay for politicians to lie through their fucking teeth?

All politicians lie and if Boris gets nicked for bullshitting his pants off over selling the benefits of Brexit well that's a good thing and especially so if it forms a precedent in law as I would think it will have direct ramifications for Australia and other former Commonwealth countries.

What on earth would they have to say?

I completely agree about politicians needing to be held accountable , it’s just that it’s so obviously politically driven when it finally occurs.

In this instance it’s being used to stem any viable opposition to the anti democratic forces of the EU .