What's what?

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More like 40 years, Syppy. One thing. Thatcher. Reagan. Oz response. 35 years, give or take. Under a Labor Govt.

In the UK for example, no working class resistance to Thatcher? No union resistance to Thatcher? No 'academic wanker' resistance to Thatcher?

Hmmmm.

Forward to the US, Clinton. 90s. Welfare cuts. GATT. NAFTA. WTO. No working class, union, & 'academic wanker' resistance?

Seattle, WTO, 1999. No worker, union, 'academic resistance'?

Australia, Melbourne, S11, WEF, 2000. No worker, union, 'academic wanker' resistance?

I could go on.

What are you trying to articulate here?

Where does "bullshit political correctness" fit in?

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BB, you've said you have faith in the ingenuity of mankind etc etc and that we are well and truly on the path to decarbonising etc etc.

Maybe you've said Coal is dead?

Anyhow I've read a bunch of article since the election saying coal is dead.

But correct if wrong, it's likely Adani will go ahead and possible other mega coal mines in the Galilee basin. Two new coal mines were just approved in QLD.

How is coal dead? It looks pretty healthy from this perspective.

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I don't agree Blindboy western nations like Australia transition to renewables is set by the lifespan of our current coal fired power plants.

Same with India and China etc problem for them is they have large numbers of new coal fired power plants, although they also have large numbers of old ones to close down.

IMHO sell it while we can, 25 to 50 years it could be worth nothing.

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100% support transition to renewables, i can understand if people got upset if we built a new coal fired power plant, i think that would be a backwards move.

Coal exports though, completely different issue, by not allowing our coal to be used, does it help in anyway...nope...

In some cases it could actually mean the coal places like China and India otherwise must source elsewhere could be of poorer quality causing more C20 emission and if the theory of C20 emissions affecting climate is true, could speed up climate change.

Not to mention if mined in developing countries environmental standards could be worse so environmental impacts from mining worse than in Australia.

Perhaps the sensible balance would be to ensure any coal mining for exports are of a certain standard of coal.

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I have been enjoying reading this thread post election. My next vote will be going to the tbbfactobb Party. Stu for the senate.

Cheers mattlock...
tbb campaigned for Wife as GC Mayor a good while back.
If it helps to know we did manage over 13,000 votes...
Even finished ahead of 5x Lib Stalwart White Shoe Champion.

Wife rose to Democrat National Secretary as they faded to oblivion.
'Still busting up council corruption of recent times...not for the faint hearted!
I can swear whistleblower cops it every time & crook becomes more corrupt.

Sounds as if mattlock secretly runs the country from the crossbench...Hmm!
Best if tbb nominates mattlock for speaker in Swellnet Shadow Parliament.

Why did it become necessary for men to wear tights whilst undertaking the most casual, low impact , amateur activities ever ?

How long before men are queuing up for their morning coffees in head-to-toe Lorna Jane ?

Why did it become necessary for men to wear tights whilst undertaking the most casual, low impact , amateur activities ever ?

How long before men are queuing up for their morning coffees in head-to-toe Lorna Jane ?

BB I 100% support a sensible transition to renewables, there is no reason not too, it's jut an evolution in energy which is cleaner, i even hope to get rooftop solar in the next 12 months.

But like it or not, human caused global warming is still a theory not a proven fact, yes it's a valid theory that is highly likely correct but it's not a certainty.

Science should always be reevaluating and questioning and testing theories and ideas until it can be proven and totally understood.

And no just because a majority believes a prediction doesn't make it true, classic example recent labor win that virtually no one saw coming including the political analyst.

Climate is such a complex area with so many different aspects many aspects we are still learning to think we can understand or predict everything about the area is crazy, even things we create ourselves like the Y2K thing often don't turn out as predicted.

chris Bowen....winner!!!!!! imagine if he was the labour party leader.......ferk

Bowen has pulled out leaving Albanese.

But isn't Albanese even more left than Shorten?

Hmmm i think Labor need to keep digging, maybe find a women that is a little more right leaning.

Depends what you want. Protecting the labour force is a left wing issue, not of the right.

A mining approval next to Adani perhaps?

blindboy if you dont want to stand by/defend your drivel fair enough. but dont pretend i dont understand what you say

One more for big Clive....

[VOTE #1] Albo for coach.
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Team Paul Pisasale (Loser)
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Newscorp ...Your Next Alb(+)
They've already run The 'Labor Leaders' Campaign ...

Newscorp have Albo's Jersey numbered & well worn.
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Labor goes on to elect former Oz Trade Minister's daughter... 'Missus Wong'.

UN pass a motion banning Newscorp from manhandling the Asian 'Lezzo'...
The ALP become Bullet Proof for the first time in eons & win unwinnable election.
Disclaimer: Tabloid was wrestled from an Ibis so Qldurr had his head in the clouds.

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Blindboy - Are you or your wife on a pension, part pension or expect to be on either in the future ?

I’m expecting an answer after you’ve commented on how I have made and continue to make a living.

Relevant as you’re gloating about thousands of people losing their jobs.

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"Relevant as you’re gloating about thousands of people losing their jobs."

The jobs never existed. The mine was only proposed.

I’ll assume you’re on a pension then.

Certainly puts it into perspective when you attack self supporting retirees as being entitled, doesn’t it ? When you attack the way people vote as though they’re stealing from the poor by considering which party would help in securing their financial future.

Decades of overseas trips , surfboards and luxuries and now it’s a hand out from BB.

Just trying to get my head around the socialist perspective. What’s mine is mine and what’s yours is mine.

Grown man taking money from those who couldn’t work to support themselves. Embarrassing.

I’ve got nothing at all against retirees on a pension, just those who bite the hand that feeds.

FNQ voted overwhelmingly for the LNP, One Nation and Clive as is/was their right.

FNQ therefore voted overwhelmingly in support the development of Adani and other mines in that basin on the promise of jobs.

Let's talk jobs.

The last time I looked there are between 60,000 and 80,000 (seasonal dependent) direct jobs in tourism mainly associated with the reef and the natural environment. Double those numbers to consider indirect jobs in the total.

Now, the numbers have wildly varied but what is the latest number of jobs quoted for Adani and let's remember its going to be highly automated .... between 2,000 and 5,000 ongoing jobs??

So FNQers are prepared to put between 120,000 and 180,000 jobs at risk for what? Between 2,000 and 5,000 jobs??

Something just doesn't stack up here.

I love the natural world of FNQ and the reef but the people are different. In all my trips there something always happens to remind me so like the time I queried the change given to me in a shop in Cairns and the manager invited me to "settle it outside" or the time I was refused service at a servo in Rockhampton because of my Vicco number plates. My brother in law comes from FNQ and he just reckons the ghost to Joh lives in all of them.

On Adani, if it must proceed, and IMO that will be a sad day, let it do so with zero taxpayer money or concessions, let it rise or fall on the back of its own capital. My guess is the Adani story has some way to go, its a shady company run by even shadier people, it will be a financial disaster in the making if taxpayers money or underwriting goes anywhere near it.

EDIT: most of those tourism jobs are with small businesses (that pay tax) while Adani's track record of tax avoidance and seeking taxpayer concessions and grants are there for all to see.

Blindboy, so you moved to the south coast from Sydney good on you.

My wife and I are wanting to do a similar move north to the south coast, even have towns, streets and down to specific houses in mind if they come up for sale.

In our discussions we believe we will need to quickly make local contacts via clubs and associations - golf (I hate golf!), CFA, CWA, landcare and other NGOs and charities.

How are you and your wife going in that regard?

Not sure if I've missed something here or what...but an interjection? This govt has a bad whiff of black money and rent-seeking, money that's increasingly falling outside the regulatory system, and seemingly encouraged to do so, that it would be more rational to pursue those ends to shore up our economy than build white elephants that, while they will provide jobs (note, the jobs dont yet exist), will also have subsidised construction and privatised profits. Same as it ever was.

Also worth asking why so many financial institutions wont lend Adani the money to build. I mean, some may have been swayed by politics, but all 28 of them? Nah, they're mercernaries, they've got shareholders to think of, but they know which way the wind is blowing.

There was an excellent 4 Corners program last year on Adani.

Worth looking at.

A very dodgy company run by even dodgier people.

It concluded the company was basically bankrupt except for the "book" value of the Abbott Point port facilities which will also be worthless unless the Adani mine goes ahead. So while the mine makes no financial sense, given the current and highly likely long term low price for coal, the Adani owners want to proceed solely to prop up the book value of an asset ..... alternatively, if the government stopped it the Adani company would sue for billions, in lieu of future earnings which are all a mirage given the price of coal here on end.

.... and as for Palmer, his $60 million buys him the environmental approvals associated with Adani as he's land is right next door.

The mineral councils and lobby groups are running the joint.

And Blowin, if you want some krazy thinking about it all, words you don't hear anymore but that's only cos the media and corpos are in cahoots and what I'm about to say runs counter to everything they stand for even though it'd be killing two, three, maybe four birds with the one stone.

Nationalise it.

Jobs.
Energy.
Economy.

Look good on a placard I reckon.

Apart from Jobs at mines.

Id assume that most of the mines is the area up in QLD would be fly in fly out workers, but the mines would still boast economical growth in the area in all kinds of different ways.

Not to mention many fly in fly out workers would end up basing them selves in places like Makay or Townsville etc and on time off fly back to these areas and in many cases being cashed up and having worked their butts of for a few weeks then have a few weeks to kill, spend up big, eating out, partying, hobbies etc

So the $$$ flows all around the FNQ area.

Many of those people then end up setting down roots in these areas all cashed up, open business etc further supporting these communities.

BTW. God bless the voters of FNQ if only the area had proper waves.

Stu , I’ve got no love for Adani, I don’t want it to go ahead either.

I’ve got just as little time for bitter baby boomers who have suckled firmly from the taxpayers teat their whole lives and who plan to surf their days away off the sweat of the brow of others , who then belittle whole swathes of people who are locked in to unfathomabley insecure financial futures and who are only trying to vote with the best interests of their families at heart.

Fucking Blindboy sits on the pension shouting at them from his place in the sun.

That’s your real down punching coward.

And a hypocrite of the highest order.

Struggling to fund society? Well Blindboy is getting his , so it’s happy days.

Those tourism jobs ?

Gig work for backpackers for the vast majority.

Good luck getting a mortgage and raising a family on minimum wage seasonal work where you have to compete with pasty skinned pommy fucktards willing to work under award and for cash and out to live it large at the expense of anyone who needs the money to survive.

Can we all agree no taxpayer funding or underwriting of Adani or any mine, resource or power station here on end?

Now before you are tempted to say what about the subsidies renewables get (which is a fair point ... to a point) just do your research on the vast subsidies the fossil fuel industries and mining already get e.g. all those multi nationals exporting all our gas aren't expected to pay ANY tax for up to 3 decades because of what they were able to extract from state and the federal government.

"Those tourism jobs ?

Gig work for backpackers for the vast majority. .... "

A percentage yes, vast majority strongly doubt it.

..... and anyhow if they were at least the businesses and the workers are paying tax, try getting some out of Adani.

Stu - Imagine If the ALP had half a clue and decided to use the BORROWED money that’s needed in the futile attempt to accommodate the hundreds of thousands of immigrants each year in our Big Australia Ponzi scheme and used it as productive investment instead .

As Pottz says - WOW !

Our environment isn’t fucked through masses of humanity, our wages grow , our house prices stabilise and our economy has a foundation made of something other than the sands of the immigration disaster.

As soon as immigration stops the GDP goes negative, our national credit rating goes arse up and we realise that everyone is indebted to their eyeballs with no employment . So Big Australia it is ......where everyone loses. Even the koalas.

But let’s keep kicking that can down the road Scomo and Albo.

How come you are smart enough to figure out the answer Stu , but our paid politicians aren’t ?

Midnight Oil are playing Anita's Theatre, Thirroul, in a few hours time. They tried to avoid scalping by implementing some measure or other, not sure what, but it obviously didn't work cos just minutes after they went on sale, the tickets were on sale at Viagogo for hundreds of dollars.

That price has only been going up, and last night two general admission tickets sold for $4,973 each!

Fortunately a mate plays in the support band and got me two tickets for a little cheaper than that.

This morning my wife went through the last drawer down, pulled out old contest T-shirts, IMB Surfmasters, OP Oz, and Beaurepaires, plus a few old Midnight Oil shirts, She's currently wearing a 1985 tour shirt (the Steal Base Slide tour, first stop Dubbo). Neighbour reckons we could get $1K for that shirt on eBay.

So between our tickets and shirt we have about $11K worth of assets, but we're not gonna liquidate 'em, instead we're just about to head down to Beaches for two-for-one snitties, a heap of tins, and some sing song.

Tell Ben not to expect much work tomoz....

Go to any tourism town and see who’s doing the work and how much tax they’re paying.

As I said , I don’t want Adani, but it will create real construction jobs and many peripheral contracts for the community.

How many construction jobs go to Indian nationals is the question.

Stu ......you lucky , lucky bastard.

I’d love to be going to that show.

But..... $5K for a ticket ? Tell him he’s dreaming.

Gonna be unreal. Mate gets to play through Midnight Oil's system, enough tickets sold to locals to know crew there, and fuck, I'm in the mood. Gonna have to pace myself.

That made me smile Stu.

Have a good one.

Don’t pace.

I want to see you on the news.

“ Drunk man tazered by police after wrestling ATM machine which refused to dispense cash “

Oh fuck yeah.

It’d be so good.

Proper jealous.

Is this a tour or a one off ?

You lucky bastard stu, hey go easy on the drinks or you will spend the first 1/2 the in the urinal hahaha .

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.... and now I'm reaching out across the ether, been meaning to post this for a few days now but I'm thinking the time is right.

Jacinda Ardern honoured in Melbourne .....

Adult diapers, Stu. Apparently them and Crocs and Ugg boots are the answer.

What is the question?

Guy, is that mural down the Dandenong markets?

"Our environment isn’t fucked through masses of humanity, our wages grow , our house prices stabilise and our economy has a foundation made of something other than the sands of the immigration disaster."

I'm forever blowin' bubbles...