Vaccinate or not
Patrick wrote:Vic Local wrote:We've seen a situation in NSW where a covid infected person presented to hospital with side effects from Ivermectin. Not only did this person take up much needed resources, they exposed medial staff to covid.
So STFU idiot. You're a menace.Yes, a covid infected person went to hospital. That's where they quite often go. You don't know if anything he did made his covid symptoms better or worse or whether ivermectin symptoms were worse than any covid symptoms he may have had without taking ivermectin.
Covid invected obese people also present to hospital, taking up resources and exposing staff to covid. Obesity is a self inflicted condition and one associated with higher hospitalisation rates for covid infected people.
Same with type 2 diabetes, hypertension, and some anxiety conditions.
The hospital is for everyone.
The person went to hospital for treatment for the side effects on self-administered Ivermectin, not the symptoms of Covid.
That's a fact.
So the Ivermectin worked?
Mr Ed now a US Podcast star broadcasting his thoughts on unconventional Covid treatments.
What did he take ? Animal grade or prescription from doctor ? Anyone taking animal grade is asking for trouble . The way the media makes out ivermectin is only meant for livestock is amazing . Even the only doctor on the Drum tonight said it has been used for scabies, she failed to mention what else it’s been credited for . She failed to mention alot about ivermectin . https://list.essentialmeds.org/medicines/58 If scientists and governments didn’t believe there was any benefit from ivermectin, then why would the NIH government funded trial and Oxford university government funded trial plus Monash university trials be happening ? When Ebola , SARS , Zika and MERS broke out ivermectin was studied for its effects against these viruses. If it does prove to be effective in these current trials then this government and the health officials it appointed are going to look pretty dam stupid. People will be pissed . Why no media interest in India anymore ?
ABC claim NSW drastically reduce Covid count data more so than other states.
(Non listed outsourced Nsw Health + Time limit Windows > Unknowns don't tally > Home recoveries > UK)
Media are often breaching Patient Doctor confidentiality to preach to unvaxed on death beds.
Scare mongering tactics combat vax hesitancy...if only it were half true.
None of it is justified as Vaxerz increasingly represent highest risk on Frontline & death beds.
Each blatant lie discredits Frontline Health & only pushes Hesitants further underground
When & only if...Govts stop these lies, will they gain Hesitants trust!
NSW Covid Ramped Rollout cure
25,525 (10x more covid cases than pre Rollout era) > Skyrocketing
114 deaths (12x more covid death than pre Rollout era) > Skyrocketing
Premier : "Rather you not dwell upon our Eternity of Long Covid misery & suffering!"
Please Check out my Hot Vax! ...sure, we can do that!
14th Aug 2021 NSW Health Surveillance Report
Frontline - 100% [+] infections are vaxed > Off duty frontline 70% [+] infections are vaxed
Aged Care Frontline-100% [+] infections are vaxed > Off Duty care 57% [+] infections are vaxed
NSW Hospitalized patients by vax status efficacy.
5/27 or 18.5% of 2 dose vaxed NSW patients die from Covid (Imagine NSW cull on a World Scale!)
6/102 or 5.88% of 1 dose vaxed NSW patients die from Covid
38/765 or 4.97% of unvaxed NSW patients die from Covid
Vax Packet + MSM + Experts + Pollies : (Vaxerz are less likely to die!) Vax protects you from dying?
Blinded by Big Pharma they rehearse this lie to themselves on the Telly each night.
There own NSW Health Stats are obviously used as Toilet Paper by Vax Experts. (Nice!)
More frightening, as with UK...2 dose Vaxed patients don't even get a chance to hook up to ICU.
Stats show that once infected, the Double Vaxed patients are also dying a more rapid death.
None believe that Vaxerz of all patients are giving up 100% ICU beds...perhaps a hidden message there?
Reality TV interviews a Vaxer on a death bed praying to survive long enough for the ICU ward.
Can recall Premier smugly claiming No vaxerz die ...now dying 4x more / faster than unvaxed.
If crew finds these stats alarming....64 more people died > yet to shock these hospital cases.
That's how cheap life is in NSW...
Qldurrz wish NSW good Health & a speedy recovery.
Ivermectin is even listed on the WHO's essential medicines list. (under Anti-infective medicines, not to far down the list)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WHO_Model_List_of_Essential_Medicines
So what is this list?
"The WHO Model List of Essential Medicines (aka Essential Medicines List or EML[1]), published by the World Health Organization (WHO), contains the medications considered to be most effective and safe to meet the most important needs in a health system.[2] The list is frequently used by countries to help develop their own local lists of essential medicines.[2] As of 2016, more than 155 countries have created national lists of essential medicines based on the World Health Organization's model list.[1] This includes countries in both the developed and developing world.[2][3]"
If it works for Covid is another thing though.
But media trying to paint it as just a medicine used for animals, are just trying to be intentionally misleading.
Hey VicLocal, those who believe and study evidence based practice whatever their field know that there are no absolutes. Once you start declaring things as definitively proven as right or wrong you set yourself up to look foolish when conflicting evidence inevitably arrives.
This is the Internet, say what you want but be careful about carrying your attitude into real life otherwise it may be you who others consider the fool.
Good luck mate, you’re probably a nice guy in the flesh but name calling loses you a lot of credibility
Well said, TD.
It's a good reminder for all of us.
Another example of really poor journalism , this time from the conversation . “ What does it do to your body?
We know very little about what the drug does to humans, and the little we do know mostly comes from its use in animals. “. So they are saying that a drug that has been used 4 billion times , on humans , they know very little about it . This world wide media smear on ivermectin is simply unbelievable. Seems we have been here before . Why doesn’t a media outlet interview some of the Professors advocating for its use ? https://theconversation.com/thinking-of-trying-ivermectin-for-covid-here...
How’s that evidence, re Rogan being vaccinated coming along blowin?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9950805/Coronavirus-Australia-R...
I know this is the crappy Daily Mail…but this caller hit bullseye. There is no all in this together bs. It’s just a line to make some people feel good.
From the TGA. “Ivermectin is a prescription medicine that is not approved to prevent or treat #COVID19 disease and should not be imported or prescribed for this indication.“
Again sup a freak. stfu With your Clive Palmer bullshit.
Roadkill wrote:How’s that evidence, re Rogan being vaccinated coming along blowin?
Wait your turn roadkill. I’m still after blowin’s evidence that NSW has 3000 odd covid positive people in hotel quarantine.
Meanwhile, Australia has floated the idea of making higher vaccination rates a condition of lifting its lockdown in jurisdictions, while President Joe Biden is considering making interstate travel unlawful for people who have not been vaccinated for COVID-19.
Vaccine passports are morally dubious for many reasons, not the least of which is that freedom of movement is a basic human right. However, vaccine passports become even more senseless in light of the new findings out of Israel and revelations from the CDC, some say.
Harvard Medical School professor Martin Kulldorff said research showing that natural immunity offers exponentially more protection than vaccines means vaccine passports are both unscientific and discriminatory, since they disproportionately affect working class individuals.
“Prior COVID disease (many working class) provides better immunity than vaccines (many professionals), so vaccine mandates are not only scientific nonsense, they are also discriminatory and unethical,” Kulldorff, a biostatistician and epidemiologist, observed on Twitter.
@viclocal , you are aware what the federal health minister stance is on this matter . Greg Hunt wrote to one of the doctors in Australia who prescribes ivermectin confirming that he was aware that some physicians are prescribing ivermectin off-label for Covid and that they were quite within their rights as the practice of prescribing registered medicines outside of their approved indications is not regulated or controlled by the Therapeutic Goods Administration (TGA), it is at the discretion of the prescribing physician. https://www.spectator.com.au/2021/07/hunt-goes-off-script-with-ivermectin/ So maybe you can write to him and tell him how you feel .
tylerdurden wrote:Hey VicLocal, those who believe and study evidence based practice whatever their field know that there are no absolutes. Once you start declaring things as definitively proven as right or wrong you set yourself up to look foolish when conflicting evidence inevitably arrives.
For mine, this whole event shows how uncomfortable many people are with uncertainty. Not necessarily in the medical sense, but also policy making around and social direction, there seems an urge to impart control that manifests in illogical ways.
tylerdurden wrote:
Hey VicLocal, those who believe and study evidence based practice whatever their field know that there are no absolutes. Once you start declaring things as definitively proven as right or wrong you set yourself up to look foolish when conflicting evidence inevitably arrives.
I agree with both Ben and Stu .
Will add politics , economics and Climate change .
Hey Stu, there was a tone of agreement in your comment! That's nice thanks.
My quick take:
1. The vaccines work, they reduce the impact of the disease
2. It is fair enough to be doubtful of the long term safety of the mRNA vaccines given they are new technology which was rapidly introduced to the population
3. The long term side effects from these vaccines are likely to be rare and probably mild. From a population point of view, it appears that there is clear overall benefit to taking them
4. Ivermectin may work, there are plenty of studies showing that it does. But it should always be prescribed by a doctor, not self administered
5. India, Indonesia and southern africa have knocked Delta on the head despite low vaccination rates and limited ability (comparatively) to self isolate. It may be due to Ivermectin, it may not. Either way we should as a country be investigating how they did it and applying those principles here.
My kids are about to commandeer the computers, I'm going surfing
Of course there's no absolutes with covid research. What I find really interesting is, people with zero medical training, are holding positions least likely to be true, and most likely to be complete and utter bullshit.
Ivermectin is a good example. This drug has been thoroughly researched and it hasn't been approved as a treatment for covid across the western world because there is insufficient evidence that it is effective.
Then you have the anti-mask mob who say they don't stop the spread of the virus. Same too with the anti-lockdown flogs.
The way I see it, people are putting their faith in completely unproven treatments/ ideas to confirm pre-existing biases. "Don't need a vaccine because the blood of Christ will protect me". "I don't trust the guvmint / they are blocking ivermectin use"
And then we see the Karens just adopting positions because they just don't want to face reality, and they want to do whatever they want whenever they want. "I don't like masks / masks don't work" "I don't like lockdowns / they are stealing our freedoms".
There's more than their fair share of Karens on this forum who have chucked the toys out of the cot and are screaming "I'm not hungry and tired".
Some science to explain these poor deluded chaps:
https://www.sydney.edu.au/news-opinion/news/2021/07/30/what-psychology-s...
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0255268
Sorry to correct you VicLocal but Ivermectin has not been approved for use in this country by the TGA because they have not received a submission for approval.
So this comment simply does not apply to Australia:
“This drug has been thoroughly researched and it hasn't been approved as a treatment for covid across the western world because there is insufficient evidence that it is effective.”
If the TGA receive a submission then reject it on the basis of lack of evidence then yes, it is applicable.
You may therefore wish to retract that comment and/or acknowledge that it’s misinformed.
I’m half in the wetsuit...go crazy with the reply mate, I’m very unlikely to respond
I’ve been thinking that too Stu / Tyler
In fact I’ve gone as far as to guess certain people as being born slightly premature, as the coping mechanism in the brain develops late in the womb
Hey Tylerdurden, (This is from the Fed Department of Health)
"Ivermectin, doxycycline, zinc
There is currently insufficient evidence to support the safe and effective use of ivermectin, doxycycline and zinc (either separately, or in combination) for the prevention or treatment of COVID-19. More robust, well-designed clinical trials are needed before they could be considered an appropriate treatment option.
The National COVID-19 Clinical Evidence Taskforce, consisting of a large group of clinical experts, is continuously updating treatment recommendations based on the best available evidence. They have not made any recommendations for the use of ivermectin, doxycycline or zinc outside of properly conducted clinical trials with appropriate ethical approval.
Furthermore, there is insufficient data to recommend neither for nor against the use of zinc for the prevention or treatment of COVID-19."
Please provide a list of western nations where Ivermectin has been approved for the treatment of covid. I will wait.
Ha ha...never heard that one before, Shorey.
Not sure it fits my experience. You see, I've got nine-year old twins who were born premature,and they both had expected complications: born the size of malnourished rabbits, and with under-developed lungs, and it's why my wife and I didn't second guess the vax - we did it for our boys.
One thing they're not short of, however, is resilience. Those two little fuckers fought like Cassius Clay through the first year of their life, scared the hell out of my wife and I, thought we'd lost one or the other at various stages, but now, at least in emotional terms, they're pretty damn solid.
john_c wrote:Some science to explain these poor deluded chaps:
https://www.sydney.edu.au/news-opinion/news/2021/07/30/what-psychology-s...
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0255268
From the conclusion of the second paper:
"The non-compliant group expressed greater agreement with statements that protective measures are costly and inconvenient than the compliant group, and were less worried about COVID-19 than the compliant group. Further, the non-compliant group was less agreeable, more extraverted, lower on intellect/openness, and more likely to cope with COVID-19 through denial, substance use, and behavioural disengagement. They also checked the news and official sources for COVID-19 information less frequently, were less likely to verify the accuracy of information, and reported less trust in information sources and the government. The non-compliant group scored higher on reactance—indicating they are more motivated to fight for their individual freedom; perceived their culture as looser—indicating perceptions that individual freedom is of high value; and scored higher on amorality—indicating greater self-interest and disregard for social obligations than the compliant group. Alarmingly, the non-compliant group were more likely than the compliant group to leave their home in the following week to meet friends/family, for religious reasons, because they are bored, and to exercise their right to freedom. "
san Guine.
Those academics sure like to use a lot of words.
I would have just said "the non-complaint group are just a bunch of moronic, selfish, cunts".
Sounds like my theory is way too simplistic then
I just like to use it on my wife when she’s being irrational, but then she reminds me I was born feet first with the umbilical cord wrapped around my neck, and it’s another argument she wins haha
Vic Local wrote:san Guine.
Those academics sure like to use a lot of words.
I would have just said "the non-complaint group are just a bunch of moronic, selfish, cunts".
VL,
I like the conclusion that they score more highly in amorality.
A high score is good isn't it? : )
I'm no scientist but these guys are. If anyone on swellnet is a scientist 'seems there's a few ;-0 ) then maybe they could unpick some of the data. Otherwise skip to the discussion and conclusion. Not saying this drug is the answer,(although i'm leaning towards Mr ed on this one ) just presenting some evidence for the debate.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7996102/
A small trial done late last year that couldn't be entired upon for solid evidence either way but interesting again to read the discussion and conclusion
https://www.ijidonline.com/article/S1201-9712%2820%2932506-6/fulltext
And a bit of US bureaucracy for you if you can make heads or tail of that, but somewhere in that text i'm sure lies the reason it hasn't been approved. Smells like dollars make more cents to me in this one.
https://www.fda.gov/emergency-preparedness-and-response/mcm-legal-regula...
Have a good day all.
Vic Local wrote:Of course there's no absolutes with covid research. What I find really interesting is, people with zero medical training, are holding positions least likely to be true, and most likely to be complete and utter bullshit.
Well said VL. It's okay to be sceptical and people should definitely do their own research. But people are clinging on to red herrings from fringe journalism sources and rejecting the accepted and peer reviewed science. Not only are they doubting the science, but they are rejecting the realtime outcomes we are currently witnessing as the vaccine rollout continues in worse affected nations such as the UK. To me it seems there is no willingness from the outset for these people to accept that the vaccine could possibly be safe, let alone safer than COVID. Seen it on a few other forum topics here recently too, although reassuringly there seems to be others willing to correct the misinformation.
Unfortunately "do your own research" usually means finding whatever info source confirms your bias/narrative/conspiracy, getting sucked further down the rabbit hole by the algorithms which confirm the bias and ending up in whatever echo chamber suits you, where all you hear is fear/panic porn from an increasingly hysterical and unhinged below the line commentary.
From which the writers for these sites tailor their message to increasingly appease feral nutters.
It's an incredibly powerful feedback loop. The very essence of psychotic delusion which was posted up here in a video.
But apparently questioning this narrative is not kosher for those deep down the rabbit hole.
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Mental health in times of COVID, lockdowns and the associated general societal malaise. Data seems to be a bit counter-intuitive and inconclusive:
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/datablog/2021/sep/03/is-there...
I was looking at other studies for ivermectin on different diseases and had a bit of a chuckle at this article from the guardian just before covid hit . No pictures of cows to be seen . https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2019/sep/05/malaria-break... There’s been quite a few studies but nothing really outstanding yet . Studies are continuing. https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(18)32321-3/fulltext https://www.cochrane.org/CD013117/INFECTN_malaria-control-using-ivermectin. And also came across this article into cancer research. Apparently China is doing studies https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7505114/.
How can your average mug punters do their own research when there are so many official looking junk science clickbait sites with self professed experts from unrelated fields which exist solely to make a buck by influencing low intellect easily led disenchanted people to join their cult like tribe.
The more time they spend "researching" the further they get from the truth. X files.
What are you saying old-dog? That medical website with the "DONATE NOW" button is a bit dodgy?
Next thing you know, you'll be saying ex-furniture salesmen are pushing dubious treatment protocols during a pandemic.
Anyone got any theories on why a wealthy individual or hedge fund investor group doesn't fund a submission to the TGA to approve ivermectin? If the evidence genuinely stacks up the way some of the proponents swear it does, there's billions to be made.
Yeah sure, the big pharma companies have the bucks to pay for the trials, but I assure you, the manufacturers of ivermectin aren't your family corner shop either, whats stopping these groups funding a submission to the TGA?
This is getting way out of control .
"The South Australian government is preparing to roll out an app that “will contact people at random asking them to provide proof of their location within 15 minutes,” according to reports.
If people refuse to report their location or are unable to do so, police are then dispatched to hunt them down.
“We don’t tell them how often or when, on a random basis they have to reply within 15 minutes,” said Premier Steven Marshall."
Hutchy 19 wrote:This is getting way out of control .
"The South Australian government is preparing to roll out an app that “will contact people at random asking them to provide proof of their location within 15 minutes,” according to reports.
If people refuse to report their location or are unable to do so, police are then dispatched to hunt them down.
“We don’t tell them how often or when, on a random basis they have to reply within 15 minutes,” said Premier Steven Marshall."
This is for people in quarantine yeah? Not the general public?
old-dog wrote:How can your average mug punters do their own research when there are so many official looking junk science clickbait sites with self professed experts from unrelated fields which exist solely to make a buck by influencing low intellect easily led disenchanted people to join their cult like tribe.
The more time they spend "researching" the further they get from the truth. X files.
Actually fake and dodgy sticks out like dog balls. You have to be pretty stupid to not be able to work out what is junk.
"The government of South Australia is running a trial for a system that could eventually force citizens to take a photo of themselves via a government app to report their location on demand within 15 minutes of authorities requesting it, or face a police investigation."
The article did not say goofyfoot . My guess everyone will be required to download the app in case they get quarantined .
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-23/how-will-south-australias-home-qu...
Sounds like it's only for people in home quarantine. Still a gross over-reach in my opinion though.
JQ wrote:Anyone got any theories on why a wealthy individual or hedge fund investor group doesn't fund a submission to the TGA to approve ivermectin? If the evidence genuinely stacks up the way some of the proponents swear it does, there's billions to be made.
Yeah sure, the big pharma companies have the bucks to pay for the trials, but I assure you, the manufacturers of ivermectin aren't your family corner shop either, whats stopping these groups funding a submission to the TGA?
@JQ , its 10cents a tablet in India, not sure how they are going to make billions from it .
I can’t see anyone complying with that for the general public.
I can sort of see how they might want to introduce it to people who are meant to be at home quarantining.
But jeez that’s a slippery slope once we start that
If they bring it in they will never get rid of it . They will come up with lots of reasons to keep it . Track crims ,pedos etc . When ANY government brings in an initiative to control the masses only revolution removes it .
Doesn't everyone take a photo of themselves every fifteen minutes and post it to social media?
SA govt doesn't need to develop a new app. for this.
Wouldn't get too fussed about govt. overreach longterm either. We are perfectly capable of surveilling ourselves on a purely voluntary basis.
"Of course there's no absolutes with covid research."
so why you pushing absolutes all the time?
...in the most feral combative manner....
you live by absolutes... right wing / left wing (but seem to have little understanding of either...) mask / no mask.... lockown / no lockdown... virtuous muslim / nutjob christian... pro trump / anti trump... peaceful protest / riot... vaccine / no vaccine... with us / against us...
every fucking issue... you are the most rabid absolutist righteous fuckwit to ever grace this forum... and there's been some good ones...
"What I find really interesting is, people with zero medical training, are holding positions least likely to be true, and most likely to be complete and utter bullshit."
you have no medical training... yet you hold some pretty dubious positions and are totally obtuse to any new information... totally!
you piggy back your nursey wifey thinking it gives you some sort of authority... you noticed all those anti-vaxxer nurses oh righteous one? ...there's a hell of a lot of em... they have medical training... but you totally overlook them in your absolutist righteousness...
"Ivermectin is a good example. This drug has been thoroughly researched and it hasn't been approved as a treatment for covid across the western world because there is insufficient evidence that it is effective."
mate, anyone who knows anything about science, knows 'insufficent evidence' is the most whimsical rebuttal ever... shark attacks, numbers, and causes... 'unsufficent evidence'
the list of self serving inconclusive cries of 'insufficent evidence' is bloody endless... yet here's mr absolutism... again... 'it absolutely means not effective...' you're a fucking clown
"Then you have the anti-mask mob who say they don't stop the spread of the virus."
well, maybe if the machine hadn't flogged that there's 'insufficent evidence' that masks stop corona so hard... the science establishment would have some sort of authority to stand on... but...
"Same too with the anti-lockdown flogs.
The way I see it, people are putting their faith in completely unproven treatments/ ideas to confirm pre-existing biases."
pot, kettle, black, ...absolutism... any moron can see they have some merit... but any moron can also see morons like you that attach themselves to a position with such religious fervour are bloody dangerous... so so bloody dangerous...
" "Don't need a vaccine because the blood of Christ will protect me".
you seen the western sydney muslim faith healer dude story? ...same same, you fucking moron...
""I don't trust the guvmint"
given the amount of outright blatant misinformation, censorship, and general lies various governments have peddled, its a perfectly reasonable positon to take, ...plus, us real lefty's, take it by default... even without corona... that's what being left is... questioning government... questioning big business... questioning big pharma... you corporate wokesters are a fucking joke...
".../ they are blocking ivermectin use"
And then we see the Karens just adopting positions because they just don't want to face reality, and they want to do whatever they want whenever they want."
you're the biggest man karen ever... doing exactly what you accuse others of... especially not facing reality....
"'I don't like masks / masks don't work" "I don't like lockdowns / they are stealing our freedoms"."
you see, brainless minions like you, are willing to defend such ridiculousness as masks on a deserted beach, ...so you lose the whole masks in appropriate places argument in the process, through your rabid absolutism... but it's always everyone elses fault there is resistance building.... same with lockdowns...
"There's more than their fair share of Karens on this forum who have chucked the toys out of the cot and are screaming "I'm not hungry and tired"."
yes, karen....
Hutchy 19 wrote:"The government of South Australia is running a trial for a system that could eventually force citizens to take a photo of themselves via a government app to report their location on demand within 15 minutes of authorities requesting it, or face a police investigation."
The article did not say goofyfoot . My guess everyone will be required to download the app in case they get quarantined .
It's an app numbnuts!!! Once your quarantine ends you can simply remove it from your phone. And if you're worried that Steve Marshall's Stasi has embedded a backdoor into your phone just chuck it in the bin and get a new one.
If they are going to allow interstate and international arrivals from known hot spots to isolate at home I for one hope for fucks sake they make sure the sneaky bastards are not out and about spreading the love. All this personal freedom crap is over the top, do you really think anyone gives a rats if you are surfing ,shopping or having a sly wank on a porno site. Here in good old SA life has been pretty normal so far apart from a bit of over the top mask wearing indoors and we want to keep it that way at least until everyone who wants a jab gets one. Unless you have something to hide and are breaking the law or doing something dodgy you have nothing to worry about.
New Yale study: "SARS-CoV-2-naïve vaccinees had a 13.06-fold (95% CI, 8.08 to 21.11) increased risk for breakthrough infection with the Delta variant compared to those previously infected...natural immunity confers longer lasting and stronger protection against infection, symptomatic disease and hospitalization caused by the Delta variant of SARS-CoV-2, compared to the BNT162b2 two-dose vaccine-induced immunity." https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1
I was a little shocked at Alan Joyce (CEO Qantas) announcement that international travelers will be required to have a covid 19 vaccination in order to travel on Qantas flights . The government wanted to have mandatory vaccination but after the bumbling of its release ( it was painful to watch the delivery of that announcement ) they withdrew the mandatory part but it seems Qantas and other business may demand a vaccination in order to use their services. I’m not anti vaccine by any means I just don’t trust this government or a vaccine that has been rushed through. A jab followed by another jab followed by yearly jabs doesn’t sit well with me as I have never had a flu shot or the flu for more than 20 years. Plus I don’t want to give this shot to my healthy 4 year old daughter. She is up to date with all her vaccinations but this covid vaccine is new and not being around for decades like the others. Tuberculosis remains the number one as far diseases go and you don’t need proof of vaccination to travel so what is going on ?