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basesix wrote:where are you @esco ?
(have you kept up with the pull ups post covid ?)SN's getting more and more US first-hand experiences shared.. which is fantastic.
It makes the forum actually interesting, hearing your lived realities.(I don't believe we ever saw a first-hand Aboriginal perspective on the Voice vote on here,
despite seventeen thousand four hundred and sixty two pages..)Hopefully an @indo-style seppo pipes up, y'know, to keep people happy who have to have a 'side' and representation : / We thought we had one a while back, but it was a make-believe account.
Are you finding true-blue conservatives are baulking violently and publicly at Trump now? That's what is happening in Europe - the real conservatives are resenting the right-wing for fucking with their institutions, traditions and culture. Hard to have conservative views about a society you love when the very fabric is being frayed by disrespectful, undignified dipshits.
Yes thanks for your perspective @esco
It’s easy to see the effect that the right wing media has on the less educated,
I’ve been saying that for a while.
Maybe the reason there are no right wing loony Americans on Swellnet is because
they’re all welded on to Fox News , Rogan and Twitter X and other such podcasts,
And are told that anything else is
Radical left wing, fake news.
I’m sure there’s ’less educated’ Blue voters too eroticJeffy.
I think you’re pulling your pud in saying that while privately patting yourself on the back.
andy-mac wrote:velocityjohnno wrote:This is a very, very good big picture/end game world trade view, for all whom are interested:
Watched it and read the paper when you posted it previously....
Reckon Trump will just unite the world against the USA.
Fuck em and the orange clown...
Pull out of Aukus and start trading in our region and build strong relationships keeping our Australian values of democracy and a fair go.
Really the USA needs the world more than the world needs the USA.If he cared about the average US citizen, maybe he would be talking about fixing their health care , poverty etc instead of funnelling money to billionaires.
Remember the USA have lost any moral / ethical authority or say with their funding and support of a genocide that is being telecast live.
Trump has never cared about the average
US citizen , that has always been his con ,
Which should be fairly obvious from his long history of being a conman , and ripping people off, and getting away with it.
Double post
seeds wrote:I’m sure there’s ’less educated’ Blue voters too eroticJeffy.
I think you’re pulling your pud in saying that while privately patting yourself on the back.
Well why don’t you debate it with @esco who lives there , and said the same thing.
While you pat yourself on the back for another great troll .
I’m sure they’re are less educated blue voters who just aren’t as gullible.
Nothing like the middle of the road guy who gets offended by anything anti maga .
“I’m sure they’re are Les educated blue voters who just aren’t as gullible.”
Exactly what I said.
Although I didn’t know it was they’re Les. That bloody Les is a knucklehead.
Sucked in that was edited, you are showing your lack of speed.
Dipshit I changed they’re.
seeds wrote:Dipshit I changed they’re.
Yeah I need a new device
It keeps changing what I typed without telling me.
That made me laugh. You’re a peculiar chap.
seeds wrote:That made me laugh. You’re a peculiar chap.
So are you dropping in out of nowhere and telling someone they are patting themselves on the back.
After being triggered by a way out of date pseudonym.
I don’t get involved but have a few weak moments.
Not about the subject but the relentless, self righteous, shoving of one’s opinions down others throats.
The lack of awareness that you may not be (wholly) correct. The unwillingness to consider other points of view. The boring arrogance.
Sounds like a cupla others who play on the opposite side, Seeds. Leave them to it.
Yep. Head pulled back in. You are exactly correct.
haha, oh @jef.. you tell everyone to have a sense of humour, then cry 'pile on' when two people make some jokes not directed at you but at the content generally. You deny past profiles, then get shitty when people keep bringing them up. You say the name Exxotixjeff was given to you by the algorithm, but have a youtube channel under the same name from years ago. But y'know, whatevs.. we're all weird and these forums still seem pretty sane for the internet. You also get points for driving a taxi like David Bradford and Philip Glass. (and re anyone who has a go at anyone for doing honest work can go suck a bag of dicks, but I guess @adam12 had just emasculated @indo and suggested he should be out generating income for his family rather than being on forums, and @jef seemed the easy dog to kick in response.)
seeds wrote:I don’t get involved but have a few weak moments.
Not about the subject but the relentless, self righteous, shoving of one’s opinions down others throats.
The lack of awareness that you may not be (wholly) correct. The unwillingness to consider other points of view. The boring arrogance.
Well if you don’t get involved , it means you don’t have an opinion on world democracy, which is fine,
I’m just pointing out that Americans @ esco and @ mick 66 day the same thing ,
That’s why I said take up the debate with them, they live there, if you think you know everything.
You missed the bit about how I don’t know everything.
I have opinions but generally keep them to myself- even on forums.
You don’t come up for air enough to think straight. There’s only one reason not to come up for air- and it isn’t politics.
basesix wrote:haha, oh @jef.. you tell everyone to have a sense of humour, then cry 'pile on' when two people make some jokes not directed at you but at the content generally. You deny past profiles, then get shitty when people keep bringing them up. You say the name Exxotixjeff was given to you by the algorithm, but have a youtube channel under the same name from years ago. But y'know, whatevs.. we're all weird and these forums still seem pretty sane for the internet. You also get points for driving a taxi like David Bradford and Philip Glass (and anyone who has a go at anyone for doing honest work can suck a bag of dicks, but to be fair, @adam12 had just emasculated @indo and suggested he should be out generating income for his family rather than being on forums, and @jef seemed the easy dog to kick in response.)
I didn’t actually mention pile on , but funny how you and dog man turn up at the same time , a
And I didn’t say that name was given by an algorithm, because it was someone else
email address which I used which gave me that pseudonym which I couldn’t change,they all thought was great for a giggle,
Yes even a primary school sense of humour is better than no sense of humour.
Don’t mention honesty and taxi driving
around @seeds , if you don’t want to keep bringing up the past,
Pull your head in .seedy boy .
You’re funny Sexxy Rainman.
Dog man? Cool. Coming from mountin’ man that’s a compliment. Twat.
How’s the shoulder or was it knee?
blackers wrote:Dog man? Cool. Coming from mountin’ man that’s a compliment. Twat.
That’s not just any mountain Hillary
It has as much to do with surfing as cute little blackers , who we all love.
https://youtube.com/shorts/g1rQ3KnXNZ4?si=PuFCYToRJ_KNUtIg
That’s gotta hurt.
Let's see what Powell has to say. Even the slightest hint at inflation/interest rate rise will send the S&P500 below 5,000. And the whole world is waiting on the jobs report and I reckon it won't be pretty. I'm in the buying mode under 5,000. Most of the tech is already at 52-week low or close to it. Also, AUD/USD is tanking, it's getting closer to $0.6 mark, it might even drop to $0.5xxx?
On reflection I can't lump all the trump supporters as MAGA, my brother supports the fuck. I wouldn't call him MAGA ( I have actually never seen in him in a red cap but he lives in Huntington Beach and I live in Hawaii so I don't see him much) but he is like a lot of Americans in that he is pissed that life is hard, things are expensive, he is not getting ahead as fast as he would like, the future looks more difficult as he gets older. These are the guys who also made this current situation happen. Their dissatisfaction with the current state of their lives required a boogie man to make them feel better about their personal decisions or about how their life isn't as good as the Joneses down the street or that friend on the gram. In comes trump with a bunch of boogiemen to blame. It's the illegal immigrants fault! It's the deep states fault! It's that dude with pink hair a nose ring and is obese who is supposed to be a lady fault! Tactic no different than any fascist leader in history has used. These Americans buy in to it. To them it makes perfect sense. Now however many of those same sepos are scratching their heads, wondering how they got duped, remaining silent. Hopefully that silence doesn't last too long. Hopefully they don't believe trumps "it will only be 6 months" bullshit or his "there is 5 billion already spent by corporations to build new factories in the US" (there was but that was negotiated by Biden before he left office trump just doing what he always does). Oh yeah the last group that voted for trump, the "I just want shake things up" voter. Those guys can eat bag of dicks. Be banned from voting for life just based on principle.
esco wrote:On reflection I can't lump all the trump supporters as MAGA, my brother supports the fuck. I wouldn't call him MAGA ( I have actually never seen in him in a red cap but he lives in Huntington Beach and I live in Hawaii so I don't see him much) but he is like a lot of Americans in that he is pissed that life is hard, things are expensive, he is not getting ahead as fast as he would like, the future looks more difficult as he gets older. These are the guys who also made this current situation happen. Their dissatisfaction with the current state of their lives required a boogie man to make them feel better about their personal decisions or about how their life isn't as good as the Joneses down the street or that friend on the gram. In comes trump with a bunch of boogiemen to blame. It's the illegal immigrants fault! It's the deep states fault! It's that dude with pink hair a nose ring and is obese who is supposed to be a lady fault! Tactic no different than any fascist leader in history has used. These Americans buy in to it. To them it makes perfect sense. Now however many of those same sepos are scratching their heads, wondering how they got duped, remaining silent. Hopefully that silence doesn't last too long. Hopefully they don't believe trumps "it will only be 6 months" bullshit or his "there is 5 billion already spent by corporations to build new factories in the US" (there was but that was negotiated by Biden before he left office trump just doing what he always does). Oh yeah the last group that voted for trump, the "I just want shake things up" voter. Those guys can eat bag of dicks. Be banned from voting for life just based on principle.
Hooray for @esco, he gets it!
And it appears he is an American living in Hawaii!
Aloha! haole ? and Mahalo @esco.
Fascism began in Italy during the first world war, the Italian national syndicalists started it mixing right wing politics with left wing organizational tactics. Then Benito Mussolini took it far right. It took hold in a number of places but most importantly for Europe and the world it was in post WW1 Germany and under Hitler and his gangster crew, who exploited the German people's dissatisfaction and humiliation with the harsh reparations demanded by the allies who were victorious in that horrific war, under the Treaty of Versailles. Australia had a main seat at that Versailles table, as it was Sir John Monash's planning and our digger's execution of the "blitz" that punched a hole in the Western Front and eventually won that war.
The reparations and restrictions on Germany were harsh. Germans were suffering, and Hitler exploited that, created the Nazis and rose through the ranks of German politics to seize control.
It's a Goebbels thing, the selling dissatisfaction to the masses, he did the real thinking and planning and controlled the propaganda output and eventually the media and the message.
That message is the same as you described in relation to the MAGA movement or Trump voters.
It's an old tactic. Everyone can be compelled to feel, or have some reason to feel like that.
Why am I behind? Why do others seem to get ahead and I don't? Who are those other, different people that get what I don't, or what is mine or should be mine?
Hitler called those others "vermin", Trump calls them "animals".
The isolationalism, the "great leader", the punishing of the different.
Same same.
The great leader, only he can restore the greatness, only he has that magic and ability. He must have the power to do it. For "Germany" or "America".
Trump's deportations, his tariffs, his self proclaimed greatness. The whole act.
Only Hitler could save Germany and the great Aryan race.
Only Trump can make America great, again, then four years later, again again.
It's a ruse, a confidence trick, and a dangerous one. And plenty here, in this country and even on this thread and website fall for it, and superimpose their own ignorance and prejudices and personal insecurities over that theme, hence the bullshit that gets spread here at Swellnet and across Australia.
The same as in the US.
Like Gina Mu Mu Rinehart.
Like Clive Palmer's Trumpet of Horseshit party.
Like ...a lot of people in Australia and more so the US.
A bit like @escos brother.
It's understandable. Not all "win" in life, we all have our crosses to bear, our problems looking for someone or something to blame.
Sometimes legitimately.
Like the German people after WW1.
All I can say is that most fascist movements don't last that long, in historical terms. The US had one before WW2, it ended at Pearl Harbor in 1941 in that beautiful place @esco calls home.
So did Australia in the days of Black Jack Lang before WW2. There have been fascist movements or governments in Japan, Austria, Vichy France, Croatia, Greece, Hungary, South Africa, Portugal, Poland, Spain, even the Kuomintang in China. The list is long, there are many more.
But the most notorious were the Nazis under Hitler, and the end came quickly for the Third Reich. It dissolved in flames and petrol fumes outside the famous bunker in Berlin in 1945, 80 years ago this month.
I believe the end will come quickly too for this new American fascism, not by defeat in war, maybe that, hopefully not, but in the rapid declining health I perceive in Trump himself. I don't watch him much anymore, better things to do with my time, but I hear it in his voice, and his syntax on my radio.
I think he is very ill, I don't think he will see out his term, maybe not even this year.
But you can never bet against that mother fucker, so I won't.
I just hear a voice that I have heard before in my 64 years, and it makes me think the end will come quickly for Trump's neo fascist 21st century shit show. And pretty soon.
We shall see.
And we shall see who tries to take up that fascist message and run with it after Trump.
Will MAGA exist post Trump?
I believe that great democracy will recover from Trumpism and MAGA pretty quickly. And get back to it's founding principles and Constitution. They are just too compelling and pure and true.
What remains of the great American hegemony and it's power to exercise it is a question only the future can answer.
Now, fuck all that, I'm up early and I'm going to try and get in the water.
Enjoy the day boys and please post here more @esco, I might feel like talking to you...about Hawaii not this shit.
What island and shore @esco???
The gigantic US asset price everything bubble, pumped up by crazy, outta-control Democrat-backed government spending and debt, just got busted wide open.
The Dems turned the stock market, housing prices, crypto—everything—into a monster pump-and-dump Ponzi scam with all that government dough and borrowing, pushing the US right to the edge of an economic and financial collapse.
The US is staring down a do-or-die moment. It’s this close to a total economic and financial failure, thanks to the Democrats’ wild spending and debt addiction, plus jacked-up global trade deals that keep the US bleeding cash with long-term, unsustainable trade deficits.
No way it could keep rollin’ like this forever. The longer it went on, the more painful the cure.
It was either let the US as we know it crash and burn, or pull back on the government debt and trade gaps.
Trump’s stepping up to save the day.
The Dems were basically committing big-time treason, and they need to pay for it.
Another informative post from @adam12
Yes you’re right Trump can’t last too long,
but there are still some dubious characters there,
Stephen Miller is over the top right wing and Vance and Bannon will still be there and Musk can’t be voted out.
A different Steve Miller !
Hard to believe Israel had any tariffs with the US to begin with . https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/israels-netanyahu-has-spoken-to-tru...
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Interestingly, the employment report for March came in hotter than expected https://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.nr0.htm
flollo wrote:Interestingly, the employment report for March came in hotter than expected https://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.nr0.htm
I saw that earlier…the markets were still believing Trump would be a moderate Trump.
The next months job data will be more reflective.
I’m watching the Japanese trading houses for an entry. Buffet will be licking his lips with their price drops and the US / YEN in his favour.
Still more drops to come..down down down. JP Morgan has a chance of a recession at 60%.
Love hearing everyone perspectives on the ongoing disaster. Adam12 i live on the Big Island, pretty marginal in the surf department where I live but I can pretty much surf everyday at my local. But the annual G-Land trip is less than 2 months away so all will be looking up soon!
velocityjohnno wrote:This is a very, very good big picture/end game world trade view, for all whom are interested:
Interesting video and interesting times.
I just hope that it gets enough time to play out properly, the worry is that people wont put up with any short term pain and the next government will just rewind everything.
There is starting to be more discussion/analyst now with more substance and interesting takes and views.
This one more UK focussed and yes conservative media but the guy is from a left wing party.
"President Donald Trump has announced sweeping new tariffs, including a 10 per cent duty on all UK exports to the United States, as part of his 'Reciprocal Tariffs' plan aimed at addressing trade imbalances and bolstering American manufacturing. This move is expected to impact approximately £60 billion worth of UK exports, with sectors such as automotive and Scotch whisky facing significant challenges. The UK government, while relieved to have avoided higher tariffs imposed on other nations, is now navigating the potential economic repercussions and exploring avenues for negotiation.
Freddy Gray speaks with William Clouston, leader of the Social Democratic Party (SDP), to analyse the implications of Trump's tariff announcement on the UK economy."
// CHAPTERS
0:00 – Trump’s “Liberation Day” tariffs explained
2:30 – Why Clouston supports protectionism
4:00 – Will Trump’s tariffs hurt the UK?
6:30 – The case against free trade purism
9:20 – Can tariffs fix trade imbalances?
12:00 – “We’re already in a trade war”
14:00 – Will tariffs cause inflation?
16:00 – Can the UK survive in a protectionist world?
19:30 – Energy costs and the decline of British industry
24:00 – Why Britain must reclaim industrial policy
27:30 – Final thoughts on capitalism and national interest
green room wrote:The gigantic US asset price everything bubble, pumped up by crazy, outta-control Democrat-backed government spending and debt, just got busted wide open.
The Dems turned the stock market, housing prices, crypto—everything—into a monster pump-and-dump Ponzi scam with all that government dough and borrowing, pushing the US right to the edge of an economic and financial collapse.
The US is staring down a do-or-die moment. It’s this close to a total economic and financial failure, thanks to the Democrats’ wild spending and debt addiction, plus jacked-up global trade deals that keep the US bleeding cash with long-term, unsustainable trade deficits.
No way it could keep rollin’ like this forever. The longer it went on, the more painful the cure.
It was either let the US as we know it crash and burn, or pull back on the government debt and trade gaps.
Trump’s stepping up to save the day.
The Dems were basically committing big-time treason, and they need to pay for it.
100% agree.
indo-dreaming wrote:green room wrote:The gigantic US asset price everything bubble, pumped up by crazy, outta-control Democrat-backed government spending and debt, just got busted wide open.
The Dems turned the stock market, housing prices, crypto—everything—into a monster pump-and-dump Ponzi scam with all that government dough and borrowing, pushing the US right to the edge of an economic and financial collapse.
The US is staring down a do-or-die moment. It’s this close to a total economic and financial failure, thanks to the Democrats’ wild spending and debt addiction, plus jacked-up global trade deals that keep the US bleeding cash with long-term, unsustainable trade deficits.
No way it could keep rollin’ like this forever. The longer it went on, the more painful the cure.
It was either let the US as we know it crash and burn, or pull back on the government debt and trade gaps.
Trump’s stepping up to save the day.
The Dems were basically committing big-time treason, and they need to pay for it.
100% agree.
Since Reagan the only pres that's shown non-defence restraint was Clinton and the Forever Wars were started by Republicans.
This could be SN’s resident Trump fuckboy @info speaking here in such is his moronic stupidity
https://m.
flollo wrote:Interestingly, the employment report for March came in hotter than expected https://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.nr0.htm
Hi flollo
The interesting part is the last paragraph:
"The change in total nonfarm payroll employment for January was revised down by 14,000, from
+125,000 to +111,000, and the change for February was revised down by 34,000, from +151,000
to +117,000. With these revisions, employment in January and February combined is 48,000 lower
than previously reported. (Monthly revisions result from additional reports received from
businesses and government agencies since the last published estimates and from the
recalculation of seasonal factors.)"
The initial release for any month is generally regarded as a bit "rubbery".
You have to pay attention to subsequent revisions.
Cheers!
@esco and @Adam12
Thanks for your insights.
indo-dreaming wrote:green room wrote:The gigantic US asset price everything bubble, pumped up by crazy, outta-control Democrat-backed government spending and debt, just got busted wide open.
The Dems turned the stock market, housing prices, crypto—everything—into a monster pump-and-dump Ponzi scam with all that government dough and borrowing, pushing the US right to the edge of an economic and financial collapse.
The US is staring down a do-or-die moment. It’s this close to a total economic and financial failure, thanks to the Democrats’ wild spending and debt addiction, plus jacked-up global trade deals that keep the US bleeding cash with long-term, unsustainable trade deficits.
No way it could keep rollin’ like this forever. The longer it went on, the more painful the cure.
It was either let the US as we know it crash and burn, or pull back on the government debt and trade gaps.
Trump’s stepping up to save the day.
The Dems were basically committing big-time treason, and they need to pay for it.
100% agree.
You two should try and make contact with reality.
Look to be fair while i said i 100% agree, let be real it's not just the Dems that are to blame, both parties are.
But everything else he said is true, the USA cant keep getting further and further into debt, spending more than in generates in tax, or keep seeing jobs go off shore and rely on countries for all kinds of important things, while also saying they are it's big military threat, it's just madness.
But sure id love to hear an argument that it can or that this is a good thing.?
This is a globalised world the right argued for.
In the US the Dems have consistently lower budget deficits.
And now a populist creep is leading the world of a cliff his side of politics pushed us to.
I can't see it working out because they've implemented it like a toddler (which is not a surprise because president musk and VP trump have that level of maturity) and left no haven with whom they can negotiate. Just as Putin invading Ukraine strengthened Europeean alliances against it, Trump has left no room but for the rest of the world to strengthen its trade without the US.
He's isolated himself into a corner and while we'll all suffer for it in the short term, it will only strengthen China and the US will suffer most in the long term.
The apparent goal of strengthening the US into some kind of hybrid 1950s manufacturing powerhouse and 21st century tech giant will only work if countries respond to the stand over tactics with the carrot of defence support. Looks like John Howard has already advised Australia not to do that. And why would you?
The US is about 40 years behind China in manufacturing and before they get close to there, countries will have moved on from them via numerous multi lateral free trade deals.
esco wrote:I hope the citizens of democracies world wide take note. The disaster I am experiencing as an American did not have to happen. It is the result of propaganda right wing radio that was enabled under Reagan. It is the result of religious fanatics gaining power in US congress hell bent on forcing their twisted morals on the majority. It is the result of Citizens United making corporations people and the resulting takeover of US government by the wealthy. It is the result of ignorance being accepted as status quo. Sure there are other reasons but these are the main causes of the trump disaster. Today kind of had that same vibe as the day trump won his second term. People bumped and worried. The difference is, that feeling appears to be held by the those that voted for the stupid cunt. Your average American is forecast to have to spend anywhere from 2100-3800 dollars more a year to pay for these tariffs. More news is coming out about layoffs in industries directly impacted by tariffs. This will most likely result in further layoffs as consumers will have even less money to spend on American made goods. Kind of like a Great Depression down ward spiral. Of course none of this a surprise. At least to those who think, read, know some history. Shit that might disqualify half of my fellow Sepos! I think there are many Americans out there that might have been hoping for trump to completely fuck the economy and make necessities even more expensive. Fuck I was. It is the only way to destroy the MAGA and hopefully rid government of all the trump sycophants. Kind of weird when I think about it, rooting against your country. But fuck the MAGA. They are mostly too stupid to realize their leaders policies only hurt their quality of life. I'm sure many are reconsidering their vote and whether the tuff rhetoric on immigration, anti NATO, anti DEI, and the way the US is being unfairly treated by Europe were not really all that important after all. Not that they even cared or thought about these issues before trump. I expect more and larger protest through out the US this weekend and growing as the ramifications of the crashing economy become more evident. I'd like to think trump will step down as president, kind of a tantrum type event like that poor loser kid who loses and stomps off taking the ball with him leaving everyone else thinking what a little bitch. He is very sensitive to negativity. Can't seem him lasting until 2028. The disaster he has created will lose him to much support. Taking the tariffs back will undermine anything else he wants to do. The tariffs were supposed to bring in trillions that will enable tax cuts for the rich but they will most likely have lost much more with crashing markets and it will probably be unlikely that any bill supporting said tax cuts will get through the senate. Trump support is not what it was a week ago.
Fellow Seppo here Esco, and your thoughts in regards to the root causes of what led to Trump are spot on. I think I started to post on here a few months ago about Rush Limbaugh, but thought it would be hard to explain the impact he had. Which then led to Newt Gingrich and on and on.
Yesterday I had a mechanic at my business working on some machinery. He listened to right wing radio as he worked. When he finished, we talked about the impact of the new tariffs on the stock market and economy. Because it was what he'd been fed all day he said "We're in for a really rough year or two, and then things will get back on track." Nice guy, but like so many Americans, he was instantly brainwashed by what the radio hosts told him, whereas 3 months ago, he would have been predicting economic Nirvana from day one of Trump's presidency. It's mind blowing.
indo-dreaming wrote:Look to be fair while i said i 100% agree, let be real it's not just the Dems that are to blame, both parties are.
But everything else he said is true, the USA cant keep getting further and further into debt, spending more than in generates in tax, or keep seeing jobs go off shore and rely on countries for all kinds of important things, while also saying they are it's big military threat, it's just madness.
But sure id love to hear an argument that it can or that this is a good thing.?
According to Bloomberg ,
Billionaires who supported Trump are expected to lose Half a Trillion dollars in just
2 days,
If you wanted someone to
Bankrupt the. US. , Trumps your man , with
multiple bankruptcies of his own businesses in the past .
According to @ Fortune
“ Trump is a drunk driver, taking the economy off a cliff into a needless recession -
as we warned “
The other thing in this is the environmental impact from manufacturing. Think back to the Cuyahoga River catching on fire in 1969 from pollution, fueling the momentum towards the clean water act. And with the rise in manufacturing in China, we've all outsourced our environmental impact to there.
Withh the supreme court recently gutting the clean water act, manufacturers are likely to have a lot more impact on US water bodies, should manufacturing return en-masse. Do you really think American citizens will put up with polluted rivers and wetlands again? As soon as white communities are affected, there'll be a major push to curtail manufacturing again on environmental grounds. I say white communities because with Flint MI, the US has shown it doesn't give a shit about watter issues in black communities.
Septic Tanks are going to Septic Tank