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It’s a scare tactic to get more Palestinians to leave. Message is clear: leave, there is no hope here. We are taking over.
US probably won’t take over but this radical narrative will force additional people to leave.
Smoke and mirrors freeride……he has a pattern of doing it….and may be smarter than he pretends…….and dosent give a rats who thinks otherwise…..only time will tell though.
freeride76 wrote:Quick straw poll here.
Who here expects Trump to make good on his word and send US troops into invade and takeover Gaza?
Who here expects this to be smoke and mirrors and bluster to achieve some other outcome?
No troops
Yes smoke and mirrors. Not sure what his end game is…I think it’s more about mouthing off and being seen as a tough leader. It just shows how stupid he really is
It’s obviously another distraction from what is really happening in the US ,
The gutting of the FBI , Musk taking control of everyone’s private social security, medical data etc , the elimination of the Department of Education,
The moves to take power from the Judiciary
and Congress, and concentrate it on to the executive .
The intimidation and bowing down of the
corporate media .
Undocumented immigrants going to
Guantanamo Bay
Authoritarianism 101
They’re calling it an ongoing Musk led coup.
Exxotixjeff wrote:It’s obviously another distraction from what is really happening in the US ,
The gutting of the FBI , Musk taking control of everyone’s private social security, medical data etc , the elimination of the Department of Education,
The moves to take power from the Judiciary
and Congress, and concentrate it on to the executive .
That is the bigger issue…gawd but a bunch of 20 year olds have access to write code..I think Musk wants to use AI in govt spending…that will end in disaster.
indo-dreaming wrote:Hiccups wrote:indo-dreaming wrote:Anyway im going to deep dive before commenting further.
Maybe you should save your deep dive and just retract being such a Zionist heel and simp for Trump.
Hope you didnt miss this recent poll
indo-dreaming wrote:Another new poll was done this month in USA.
"Polling reveals Americans’ widespread, bipartisan support for Israel "
(below taken from article, it's longer, this is the meat)
This widespread support for Israel may seem quizzical given the outsized attention to the disruptive — yet very public — anti-Israel protests that have erupted in American cities and on campuses since the war began in October 2023.
And yet the data, captured routinely since the outbreak of the war, suggest that these protests do not align with the true mood of the American people.
As far back as November 2023, we found that Americans overwhelmingly (70 percent) believe that “Hamas is a terrorist organization that wrongly attacks, kidnaps, and murders innocent civilians.” Only 8 percent agreed with the statement that “Hamas is a freedom-fighting organization committed to liberating the Palestinian people and ending Israeli occupation.”
In that same vein, the poll suggests that support for Israel and concern over growing antisemitism at home are both bipartisan ideas. Seventy percent of U.S. adults support Israel’s right to defend itself, and the support is consistently high among Republicans (79 percent), Democrats (65 percent) and independents (65 percent).
What’s more, this bipartisan support extends beyond Israel’s current war with Hamas in Gaza.
Majorities of Republicans (76 percent), independents (57 percent) and Democrats (53 percent) agree that “the U.S. should remain a steadfast ally of Israel and fully support it in a war with Iran.”
It is not just support for Israel where Americans are largely united. At home, as protests on college campuses continue — including at Columbia University last week, where students interrupted a class to distribute antisemitic fliers featuring violent images — Americans of all parties are united in concern over rising antisemitism due to the war.
Strong majorities of Republicans (70 percent), Democrats (65 percent) and independents (61 percent) expressed concern that the current Israel-Hamas conflict has led to an increase in antisemitism on campuses.
Similarly, three-quarters (74 percent) of Republicans along with majorities of Democrats (62 percent) and independents (59 percent) support college administrations tightening rules around these protests.
Ultimately, the polling indicates that, far from being a partisan issue, Americans are largely united in supporting Israel’s right to self-defense and worrying over the impact of surging antisemitism.
Moreover, the data suggest that the media narrative of stark partisan differences toward Israel, which has taken root since Oct. 7, 2023, is inaccurate. Support for Israel does not divide Americans along party lines — rather, it is an area of bipartisan agreement in an age when such widely supported issues are increasingly rare.
Douglas E. Schoen and Carly Cooperman are pollsters and partners with the public opinion company Schoen Cooperman Research based in New York. They are co-authors of the book, “America: Unite or Die.”
https://thehill.com/opinion/international/5107276-bipartisan-support-isr...
Link to poll done this month
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1D8ix62P-eXgsXqc0DK2fbPqin1YwQv77/view?p...
In all seriousness though, genocide-dreaming, what am I supposed to do with this information? You think it matters to anyone with an ounce of humanity what a bunch of ding-dong Americans think about this situation? lol as.
Bit of both freeride76, there'd be those who are deadly serious about Israeli settlement hence the flattening of Gaza to make it easier to start again. Trump would love the deal of the century and Bibi can't believe that Trump has the chutzpa to shout it out to the world.
Next week another deluge, 40 days and 40 nights, it's in the bible, 3 weeks to go then keep an eye for the dove
Hiccups wrote:indo-dreaming wrote:Hiccups wrote:indo-dreaming wrote:Anyway im going to deep dive before commenting further.
Maybe you should save your deep dive and just retract being such a Zionist heel and simp for Trump.
Hope you didnt miss this recent poll
indo-dreaming wrote:Another new poll was done this month in USA.
"Polling reveals Americans’ widespread, bipartisan support for Israel "
(below taken from article, it's longer, this is the meat)
This widespread support for Israel may seem quizzical given the outsized attention to the disruptive — yet very public — anti-Israel protests that have erupted in American cities and on campuses since the war began in October 2023.
And yet the data, captured routinely since the outbreak of the war, suggest that these protests do not align with the true mood of the American people.
As far back as November 2023, we found that Americans overwhelmingly (70 percent) believe that “Hamas is a terrorist organization that wrongly attacks, kidnaps, and murders innocent civilians.” Only 8 percent agreed with the statement that “Hamas is a freedom-fighting organization committed to liberating the Palestinian people and ending Israeli occupation.”
In that same vein, the poll suggests that support for Israel and concern over growing antisemitism at home are both bipartisan ideas. Seventy percent of U.S. adults support Israel’s right to defend itself, and the support is consistently high among Republicans (79 percent), Democrats (65 percent) and independents (65 percent).
What’s more, this bipartisan support extends beyond Israel’s current war with Hamas in Gaza.
Majorities of Republicans (76 percent), independents (57 percent) and Democrats (53 percent) agree that “the U.S. should remain a steadfast ally of Israel and fully support it in a war with Iran.”
It is not just support for Israel where Americans are largely united. At home, as protests on college campuses continue — including at Columbia University last week, where students interrupted a class to distribute antisemitic fliers featuring violent images — Americans of all parties are united in concern over rising antisemitism due to the war.
Strong majorities of Republicans (70 percent), Democrats (65 percent) and independents (61 percent) expressed concern that the current Israel-Hamas conflict has led to an increase in antisemitism on campuses.
Similarly, three-quarters (74 percent) of Republicans along with majorities of Democrats (62 percent) and independents (59 percent) support college administrations tightening rules around these protests.
Ultimately, the polling indicates that, far from being a partisan issue, Americans are largely united in supporting Israel’s right to self-defense and worrying over the impact of surging antisemitism.
Moreover, the data suggest that the media narrative of stark partisan differences toward Israel, which has taken root since Oct. 7, 2023, is inaccurate. Support for Israel does not divide Americans along party lines — rather, it is an area of bipartisan agreement in an age when such widely supported issues are increasingly rare.
Douglas E. Schoen and Carly Cooperman are pollsters and partners with the public opinion company Schoen Cooperman Research based in New York. They are co-authors of the book, “America: Unite or Die.”
https://thehill.com/opinion/international/5107276-bipartisan-support-isr...
Link to poll done this month
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1D8ix62P-eXgsXqc0DK2fbPqin1YwQv77/view?p...
In all seriousness though, genocide-dreaming, what am I supposed to do with this information? You think it matters to anyone with an ounce of humanity what a bunch of ding-dong Americans think about this situation? lol as.
Ah is that what @ Indo looks like ???
Nothing like a walk along the beach when there’s no waves, whatever your on.
Trump telling reporters that the people of Gaza would be thrilled to leave .
Exxotixjeff wrote:Hiccups wrote:indo-dreaming wrote:Hiccups wrote:indo-dreaming wrote:Anyway im going to deep dive before commenting further.
Maybe you should save your deep dive and just retract being such a Zionist heel and simp for Trump.
Hope you didnt miss this recent poll
indo-dreaming wrote:Another new poll was done this month in USA.
"Polling reveals Americans’ widespread, bipartisan support for Israel "
(below taken from article, it's longer, this is the meat)
This widespread support for Israel may seem quizzical given the outsized attention to the disruptive — yet very public — anti-Israel protests that have erupted in American cities and on campuses since the war began in October 2023.
And yet the data, captured routinely since the outbreak of the war, suggest that these protests do not align with the true mood of the American people.
As far back as November 2023, we found that Americans overwhelmingly (70 percent) believe that “Hamas is a terrorist organization that wrongly attacks, kidnaps, and murders innocent civilians.” Only 8 percent agreed with the statement that “Hamas is a freedom-fighting organization committed to liberating the Palestinian people and ending Israeli occupation.”
In that same vein, the poll suggests that support for Israel and concern over growing antisemitism at home are both bipartisan ideas. Seventy percent of U.S. adults support Israel’s right to defend itself, and the support is consistently high among Republicans (79 percent), Democrats (65 percent) and independents (65 percent).
What’s more, this bipartisan support extends beyond Israel’s current war with Hamas in Gaza.
Majorities of Republicans (76 percent), independents (57 percent) and Democrats (53 percent) agree that “the U.S. should remain a steadfast ally of Israel and fully support it in a war with Iran.”
It is not just support for Israel where Americans are largely united. At home, as protests on college campuses continue — including at Columbia University last week, where students interrupted a class to distribute antisemitic fliers featuring violent images — Americans of all parties are united in concern over rising antisemitism due to the war.
Strong majorities of Republicans (70 percent), Democrats (65 percent) and independents (61 percent) expressed concern that the current Israel-Hamas conflict has led to an increase in antisemitism on campuses.
Similarly, three-quarters (74 percent) of Republicans along with majorities of Democrats (62 percent) and independents (59 percent) support college administrations tightening rules around these protests.
Ultimately, the polling indicates that, far from being a partisan issue, Americans are largely united in supporting Israel’s right to self-defense and worrying over the impact of surging antisemitism.
Moreover, the data suggest that the media narrative of stark partisan differences toward Israel, which has taken root since Oct. 7, 2023, is inaccurate. Support for Israel does not divide Americans along party lines — rather, it is an area of bipartisan agreement in an age when such widely supported issues are increasingly rare.
Douglas E. Schoen and Carly Cooperman are pollsters and partners with the public opinion company Schoen Cooperman Research based in New York. They are co-authors of the book, “America: Unite or Die.”
https://thehill.com/opinion/international/5107276-bipartisan-support-isr...
Link to poll done this month
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1D8ix62P-eXgsXqc0DK2fbPqin1YwQv77/view?p...
In all seriousness though, genocide-dreaming, what am I supposed to do with this information? You think it matters to anyone with an ounce of humanity what a bunch of ding-dong Americans think about this situation? lol as.
Ah is that what @ Indo looks like ???
Nothing like a walk along the beach when there’s no waves, whatever your on.
Nah, that me talking to indo, but I have lighter hair.
^^ good work @adam12 for stating the legal realities yet again. I can’t believe in my wildest dreams that anyone could possibly be defending Israel, it’s PM and Trump’s actions/announcements today. It leaves one thinking what, if anything, would be a bridge too far for the defenders of this genocide.
Right now I feel sick in my stomach that the world has come to this, I’m out …..
@Indo says
"Who knows what his original Jewish family surname was or if they even had one, and i don't expect you or anyone else knows his DNA make up."
See this is the kind of shit that grinds my gears about you @Indo.
These assumptions you make about people.
To fit your warped narrative.
Eight years ago in the Times of Israel I learned about Bibi's DNA, from him.
I had forgotten his Spanish roots but did remember his Polish heritage.
Which is why I confidently said he has no Hebrew DNA.
Here is the article I read eight years ago
https://www.timesofisrael.com/netanyahu-reveals-roots-go-back-to-spain/
But you assume I am making it up.
You could have just googled it yourself.
Stop pretending to be expert when you are not.
The Times of Israel has a live thread on this:
Also CIA has been offered the same gov worker buyout as offered to other parts of the Federal workforce.
"He said the “world’s people” would be the ones to live in Gaza once the US finishes rebuilding it, and that while the Palestinians could be among them, the enclave will become an “international” hub."
https://www.timesofisrael.com/trump-us-will-take-over-gaza-level-it-and-...
wtf, they are to get multiculturalismed and internationalised (read: priced out of the housing market) in the bit of land they still have?
velocityjohnno wrote:Also CIA has been offered the same gov worker buyout as offered to other parts of the Federal workforce.
Slippery slope this one. In theory, I’m not necessarily against buyouts/voluntary redundancies. There would be a lot of waste in such big bureaucracy. But doing it this violently is not ok. These are people who have bills to pay. Trump will lose a lot of support in CIA and FBI which are full of conservatives who like law and order, not this aggressive bullshit from Elon and Co. especially as they see them dragging their work through the mud on social media.
Supafreak wrote:Trump telling reporters that the people of Gaza would be thrilled to leave . https://www.instagram.com/reel/DFq0h2ky6l7/?igsh=MTB4bzEyMGp6ZmZhaw==
Is he fucking trolling everyone? I don’t know if he’s serious or is this some wild dark humor? The way he talks, body language looks like he’s taking everyone for a ride. I mean, staff he says is not necessarily wrong. Yes Gaza is a shithole, turned to rubble. And yes, if you give Palestinians a nice house with a ‘beautiful’ piece of land elsewhere many will take the offer.
But it’s a shithole because you wrecked it and people would take an offer elsewhere because of traumas that you caused. If you do it here you can do it anywhere. It’s a disgrace and it should never be allowed.
I think Trump is set on expanding the US ‘somewhere’. He wants to be known as a president that expanded the territory. And he seems to be probing around until he finds a weak spot.
adam12 wrote:@Indo says
"Who knows what his original Jewish family surname was or if they even had one, and i don't expect you or anyone else knows his DNA make up."See this is the kind of shit that grinds my gears about you @Indo.
These assumptions you make about people.
To fit your warped narrative.
Eight years ago in the Times of Israel I learned about Bibi's DNA, from him.
I had forgotten his Spanish roots but did remember his Polish heritage.
Which is why I confidently said he has no Hebrew DNA.
Here is the article I read eight years ago
https://www.timesofisrael.com/netanyahu-reveals-roots-go-back-to-spain/
But you assume I am making it up.
You could have just googled it yourself.
Stop pretending to be expert when you are not.
Ha ha i love how you cant edit comments after 10 minutes now.
Did you read the article again or just read it 8 years ago?
Save some face and say you only read it 8 years ago.
Do you know the meaning of Sephardic Jew?
Do you know how and why Jews ended up in Spain?
His Jewish ancestor's fled to Spain along with thousand's of others, then clearly his family at some stage moved to Poland.
So he technically has a Sephardic bloodline rather than just Ashkenazi, maybe he has both maybe just the Spanish Sephardic bloodline...I dont know it wasnt clear from the article.
I will make it clear for you
HIS ANCESTORS STILL FLED FROM JUDEA BUT SEEKED REFUGEE IN SPAIN.
BTW. I guess you also didn't read the article linked towards the bottom of the article either, pity it would have given you some basic understanding of things.
Huh id never looked into it but just did, i just assumed from comments on social media etc that Bibi was born in Poland, but he was born in Israel as was his mother, his father though was born in Poland. (his father changed their surname)
His bloodline is mostly Ashkenazi but also has the Sephardic DNA from Spain, and yes both groups fled from Judea/Israel long ago.
velocityjohnno wrote:Also CIA has been offered the same gov worker buyout as offered to other parts of the Federal workforce.
Making Russia Great Again.
This is only day 16 of the Trump Presidency and look at this mess, everywhere.
The world...
Lawless, unhinged, lunatics everywhere.
Armed to the teeth.
Invading, killing.
The leader of the free world openly boasting war crimes.
Talking about taking territory like Adolf Hitler.
Fuck it, I'm rural.
I'm getting a gun...or a machete
or setting up a "go" bag,
dig a fucken hideout,
something.
Then just wait.
This will not end well
@Adam 12 , Nusa Tenggara has a few hidey-holes with warm water, good waves & big wahoo . Limited internet which could be a bonus . .
velocityjohnno wrote:"He said the “world’s people” would be the ones to live in Gaza once the US finishes rebuilding it, and that while the Palestinians could be among them, the enclave will become an “international” hub."
https://www.timesofisrael.com/trump-us-will-take-over-gaza-level-it-and-...
wtf, they are to get multiculturalismed and internationalised (read: priced out of the housing market) in the bit of land they still have?
The Riveria of the Middle East in fact VJ! Get your off the plan condo deposit down quick.
adam12 wrote:velocityjohnno wrote:Also CIA has been offered the same gov worker buyout as offered to other parts of the Federal workforce.
Making Russia Great Again.
This is only day 16 of the Trump Presidency and look at this mess, everywhere.
The world...
Lawless, unhinged, lunatics everywhere.
Armed to the teeth.
Invading, killing.
The leader of the free world openly boasting war crimes.
Talking about taking territory like Adolf Hitler.Fuck it, I'm rural.
I'm getting a gun...or a machete
or setting up a "go" bag,
dig a fucken hideout,
something.
Then just wait.This will not end well
Yes, these rusted on Maggats , never give up their unquestioning devotion to a
Geriatric , psychopathic, conman.
All we
need is the Republicans in Congress ,
to grow a pair and get a spine and stand up,
But who knows?
Any mention of a bigly military base to keep everyone in the surrounding region inline ?
@Indo,
I don't need to save face and yes I did read it again, as would have been obvious to any idiot when I said "I had forgotten about his Spanish roots"
Ashkenazi Jews are from Europe, Shephardic Jews are from Spain.
The history and bloodlines of the Jews fleeing Judea is contended.
You should know that from your deep diving, even if it's in the shallow end of the pool.
But it is really not a topic I wish to debate with an ignorant google history taught genocide simp zealot of a criminal State who cheerleads death of innocent civilians and fan charts Trump's fucking idiocy on SN like some Swiftie.
You want to claim he's a Hebrew, knock yourself out.
You want to say I'm an idiot, knock yourself out.
It was an "aside" to begin with. I couldn't give a fuck if he's Moses incarnate to be honest.
I said he has no Hebrew DNA.
The article by implication states as much.
He has no Hebrew DNA. He and you are clutching at straws with the disputed history.
He's a European Pole born in Israel, his parents name was Mileikowsky.
You said "Who knows what his original surname was"
Er, him, his parents and anyone who googled it.
Not you apparently.
His father's name was Nathan.
Netanyahu is a Hebrew interpretation of it.
He changed his name from a Polish one to a Hebrew one.
Not because of pronunciation difficulties or any other bullshit excuse they like to use.
I actually don't think it's an unreasonable thing for a Jewish Israeli to do, a statement of their commitment to the Zionist ideal, solidarity.
And so they don't sound like settlers.
And it might even surprise you to know that I would have no problem with the State of Israel if they were a law abiding State, it's not their existence that is a problem to me, it's their behavior.
Of all the people on the planet who should have compassion and understanding of oppressed people with the right to a homeland it is the Jews. Many, many Jews, including in Israel feel that way.
There are rules of war, even an insurgent one.
There is International Law, or maybe after today, there was.
Why are the people subject a few short generations ago to the worst crimes against humanity of the 20th century repeating those same crimes now?
Why do they ignore the rules set up in honour of the victims of the holocaust?
If they have to become what they despised to achieve their goals then what does that make them?
Oct 7 was a dreadful event, a war crime and rightly recognised as such by the ICC.
But what they have done, what they plan to do.
Genocide.
Like the Nazis.
I'll never understand that.
They could have lived in peace once the State was established, they just had to give a fuck about the people that were there, recognise they were there, accommodate their needs, including the need for human dignity, a safe home, basic needs, a homeland, even a shared one.
Fuck it, too late now.
Bomb fuck out of it, kill thousands with nothing to do with Hamas or Oct 7.
And now just level it, get rid of them (don't be shocked if they end up in Indonesia either just quietly, the Arab States won't take them) and then take it.
Like it's easy.
Plenty of well drilled, freshly uniformed, well armed with sophisticated seized Israeli weapons Al Quassam battalions on show at the hostage takeovers. Plenty of guns and money around to fight still,
Enemies growing daily.
The US haven't done well with boots on the ground in the ME.
They are just going to waltz in?
Anyway, we shall see.
And he's an Israeli Pole not a Hebrew.
Go back far enough and we are all Africans.
Further and we are all came from the same monkey.
Even the Jews of Spain and Europe.
Been shit chatting with you again @Indo.
Let's do it again, later rather than sooner.
Yes Adam!
“And it might even surprise you to know that I would have no problem with the State of Israel if they were a law abiding State, it's not their existence that is a problem to me, it's their behavior.”
This is what we, that agree with you, believe and have argued.
Simps like Indo can’t understand that and class it as antisemitism.
Yes again Adam! well said.
“ They could have lived in peace once the State was established, they just had to give a fuck about the people that were there, recognise they were there, accommodate their needs, including the need for human dignity, a safe home, basic needs, a homeland, even a shared one.”
Cue Indo telling us again that there are Palestinians that are Israeli citizens etc etc.
Anyway thanks for your words.
Septic Tanks are going to Septic Tank