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factotum started the topic in Thursday, 27 Aug 2020 at 11:12am

Septic Tanks are going to Septic Tank

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adam12 Wednesday, 5 Feb 2025 at 2:02pm
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Stu, I think bibi is smiling because he knows it’s time Philistinia ( Gaza) will now have to be run properly by the Arab world.
The real Arabs who know history also know very well that ALL of Palestine belongs to Israel and has done for around 3500 years with the land title for Palestine given back to them officially by the whole world in 1920.
Fact check it if you don’t know it.
And Adam Israel gave up control of Gaza 20 years ago but they chose their govt poorly….They democratically voted in Hamas and then Hamas got rid of democracy.
Fact check it.
Gaza’s proxy control by genocidal Iran began and now for the first time someone can do something about it ……hence the threat by Donny boy…..
…actually the ‘shiny vision ‘ of luxury hotels , waterfront paradise, yes America would love to own all that……if you were fishing that would be good bait.

GTFO of here, you brainwashed bleeding hemorrhoid.

@Opti, I'm well aware of Gaza's history, don't need a history lesson from the likes of you, your Christian fundamentalism kind of skews your world view and judgement of Israel's actions and Trump's announcement in my opinion.
"Israel gave up control of Gaza"
That's an interesting phrase isn't it?

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velocityjohnno Wednesday, 5 Feb 2025 at 2:04pm
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Maybe we should invade New Zealand before he gets anymore ideas.

Our landing craft would be beached as, bro

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truebluebasher Wednesday, 5 Feb 2025 at 2:10pm

So funny Stu...

stunetWEDNESDAY, 5 FEB 2025 at 1:43PM
Greenland
Panama
Canada
Gaza

Wollongong next?

He just wants our Scorched Peanut Bars.

Until Stu reads Dutto rejects Albo's Wind Turbines jamming US radar at Trump's Wollongong Sub Base!
Oh shit...that was supposed to be a woke joke...
https://redflag.org.au/article/opposition-grows-nuclear-submarines-port-...

Ranking Stu's Scorched Peanut Bar Takeover

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Fliplid Wednesday, 5 Feb 2025 at 2:20pm
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Australia needs to distance itself from this madness. I hope our leadership has some guts to do it.

@flollo, adam12 and sypkan

What I see is Labor trying to walk the line between decency and political reality (not losing votes) while LNP are fully in agreement with what ever Israel does so I'd expect there will be no argument from Dutton and when Albo calls it out expect a barrage of complaints from the LNP and the Jewish lobby, both here and directly from Israel

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freeride76 Wednesday, 5 Feb 2025 at 2:36pm

Agreed Flip.

Not a chance in hell Labour will let itself be wedged by the LNP on this.
Not to mention making itself a target for tariff threats from MAGA kooks.

Albo will decline to make a shot and let it go through to the keeper.

Edit: he just did exactly that in question time.

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adam12 Wednesday, 5 Feb 2025 at 2:37pm
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Australia needs to distance itself from this madness. I hope our leadership has some guts to do it.

@flollo, adam12 and sypkan

What I see is Labor trying to walk the line between decency and political reality (not losing votes) while LNP are fully in agreement with what ever Israel does so I'd expect there will be no argument from Dutton and when Albo calls it out expect a barrage of complaints from the LNP and the Jewish lobby, both here and directly from Israel

From about 1/2hr ago
"Australia’s prime minister, Anthony Albanese, has been asked about Donald Trump’s statement that the US would take over and own the Gaza Strip.

Albanese says he doesn’t do “running commentary” and continues to support a two-state solution in the Middle East.

Australia’s position is the same as it was this morning, as it was last year and it was 10 years ago and it was under the Howard government.

Another reporter tries to draw him out further on Trump’s comments but Albanese doesn’t want to bite."

I bet he doesn't want to bite.
Mossad's sloppy work here is nevertheless working as planned.

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burleigh Wednesday, 5 Feb 2025 at 2:40pm
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Maybe we should invade New Zealand before he gets anymore ideas.

Not a bad idea. Nobody loves NZ more than a kiwi living in Australia. They would be stoked.

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Optimist Wednesday, 5 Feb 2025 at 2:58pm

No Australian politician in their right mind would touch this one…..it’s a wait and see what’s really cooking situation…..first one on any side to break and give commentary will end up with egg on their face.

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Fliplid Wednesday, 5 Feb 2025 at 2:59pm

^^ Hadn't seen that about Albos comments, good on him.

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adam12 Wednesday, 5 Feb 2025 at 3:59pm

The House of Saud giving Trump's plan a hard "No".

https://x.com/KSAmofaEN/status/1886953044484473007

Don't think the Crown Prince had Gaza real estate developments in mind when he gave Damien Thorn, oops, I mean Jared Kushner the $2B.

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adam12 wrote:

The House of Saud giving Trump's plan a hard "No".

https://x.com/KSAmofaEN/status/1886953044484473007

Don't think the Crown Prince had Gaza real estate developments in mind when he gave Damien Thorn, oops, I mean Jared Kushner the $2B.

That's funnier than Canada trying to act tough.

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Supafreak Wednesday, 5 Feb 2025 at 4:27pm

So what happened to America first ? How will the American people benefit from this ? Interpreting ‘ Trump speak ‘ is getting really difficult. So all that money Elon is saving with his DOGE can /will be used to rebuild Gaza ? That will definitely help the people on the streets in the good old US of A . I personally can’t see it happening , something else is going on while everyone is in a frenzy about this latest brain fart .

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stunet Wednesday, 5 Feb 2025 at 4:34pm
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The House of Saud giving Trump's plan a hard "No".

https://x.com/KSAmofaEN/status/1886953044484473007

Don't think the Crown Prince had Gaza real estate developments in mind when he gave Damien Thorn, oops, I mean Jared Kushner the $2B.

That's funnier than Canada trying to act tough.

Saudi Arabia can act tough. Between the two, the US has a trade deficit, and furthermore, the products the US imports - oil and its derivatives - are far more important to a working economy than what it exports to SA.

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tubeshooter Wednesday, 5 Feb 2025 at 4:34pm
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Maybe we should invade New Zealand before he gets anymore ideas.

Our landing craft would be beached as, bro

It's 100% doable.

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sypkan Wednesday, 5 Feb 2025 at 4:44pm

whoever pays

it's all the same wallet anyway supa...

but yeh, I think something else is going on too

trump wedgying the arab world into action is my guess...

not sure it'll work

whatever they're doing...

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sypkan Wednesday, 5 Feb 2025 at 4:50pm
stunet wrote:
burleigh wrote:
adam12 wrote:

The House of Saud giving Trump's plan a hard "No".

https://x.com/KSAmofaEN/status/1886953044484473007

Don't think the Crown Prince had Gaza real estate developments in mind when he gave Damien Thorn, oops, I mean Jared Kushner the $2B.

That's funnier than Canada trying to act tough.

Saudi Arabia can act tough. Between the two, the US has a trade deficit, and furthermore, the products the US imports - oil and its derivatives - are far more important to a working economy than what it exports to SA.

that all changes if trump makes the US energy independent

again...

so many pieces at play here

brics, US $ primacy, china, south africa even...

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sypkan Wednesday, 5 Feb 2025 at 5:01pm

I think people are misinterpreting bibi's 'genocidal' smile...

I think it's more a smirk at the outrageousness of trump's proposals

whether that's a 'flood the zone with shit' tactic...

or an outrageous preliminary 'offer' in an 'art of the deal' charade...

it seems he knows it's all a bit crazy

you could argue US troops are needed over IDF as a circuit breaker...

but really, that's all same same to hamas and friends

bottom line is they need arab troops, or peacekeepers, or whatever... in there somewhere to sort shit out...

heard many an expert state this

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flollo Wednesday, 5 Feb 2025 at 5:01pm
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So what happened to America first ? How will the American people benefit from this ? Interpreting ‘ Trump speak ‘ is getting really difficult. So all that money Elon is saving with his DOGE can /will be used to rebuild Gaza ? That will definitely help the people on the streets in the good old US of A . I personally can’t see it happening , something else is going on while everyone is in a frenzy about this latest brain fart . https://www.instagram.com/reel/DFq-OZxy018/?igsh=M2k2NWNncXZ0MXF2

There’s nothing else. I don’t think he would require many or any taxpayer funds for this. It’s a land grab. Rich zionists and profiteers have plenty of money to throw at it.

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blackers Wednesday, 5 Feb 2025 at 5:02pm

Its all just noise, smoke, and mirrors so the golden one can continue to line his and his family and friends' pockets. Look over there!

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adam12 Wednesday, 5 Feb 2025 at 5:04pm

@Sypkan@VJ,
I'm a bit of a dumb fuck, having trouble connecting the dots here.
So the US and Israeli leaders hold a press conference announcing the US will take over Gaza and ethnically cleanse it of Palestinians...
and this is not what they are going to do...
it's a ruse, a Trump bomb, a chess move...
to "wedge the Arab world into action"...
to do what exactly?
Rebuild Gaza?
What action?
Please, not being glib, explain it to me.

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flollo Wednesday, 5 Feb 2025 at 5:09pm

adam12 to continue your narrative; who’s paying for this rebuild? Will Palestinians in Gaza get their homes back, rebuilt at no cost to them? Will the US pay for the rebuild but expect nothing in return? Yeah right…

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freeride76 Wednesday, 5 Feb 2025 at 5:18pm

Quick straw poll here.

Who here expects Trump to make good on his word and send US troops into invade and takeover Gaza?

Who here expects this to be smoke and mirrors and bluster to achieve some other outcome?

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sypkan Wednesday, 5 Feb 2025 at 5:24pm

1. to take refugees - temporary or otherwise

the arab world literally laugh at our willingness and naivete in taking refugees

put your ideals aside for a sec., and consider, why are arab refugees not more suited to resettlement in arab countries?

it's simply 'common sense' ...as I've seen it overly portrayed of late...

2. arab peacekeepers are also required in gaza

whether that's;

- maintaining the ceasefire (there will be no peace)

- rebuilding

- forming a new government

- even transitioning gazans out...

(the last one was never on the table...)

but prior to today, every expert I've heard (who are not ideologically nutty) has said...

whatever comes next for gaza/palestine there needs to be some kind of arab force, peacekeepers, mediators, involved

it seems the arab nations avoid both 1 and 2 like the plague

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simba Wednesday, 5 Feb 2025 at 5:22pm

he cant be serious........

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adam12 Wednesday, 5 Feb 2025 at 5:23pm

As an aside, the man sharing the stage today with President Trump was not really Benjamin Netanyahu.
That man's real name is Benjamin Mileikowsky.
He is Polish, his family is Polish, and he has no Hebrew DNA.
He changed his name...for some reason....

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andy-mac Wednesday, 5 Feb 2025 at 5:30pm
freeride76 wrote:

Quick straw poll here.

Who here expects Trump to make good on his word and send US troops into invade and takeover Gaza?

Who here expects this to be smoke and mirrors and bluster to achieve some other outcome?

I'm inclined to say no to US troops but over the last while I would not be surprised.
I'm sure Iran is looking closely at this; situation went from cease fire with Palestinians returning home to now potentially pure ethnic genocidal cleansing.
From what I have been reading Iran have been holding off on their 'True Promise ' retaliation to see how this unfolds. This will demonstrate to them they cannot trust the Trump admin at all with any negotiation which they were hoping for.
My major fear is that there will be US troops on the ground but they won't only be fighting Hamas. Bibi has had a chubby to attack Iran for decades, this may be his time.
Will make Iraq look like a little stroll in the park and there will be many seppos going home in body bags, never mind the devastation of region and the global economy going down the tube.
Not saying I think this will happen, but it is an powder keg....

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stunet Wednesday, 5 Feb 2025 at 5:31pm
freeride76 wrote:

Quick straw poll here.

Who here expects Trump to make good on his word and send US troops into invade and takeover Gaza?

Who here expects this to be smoke and mirrors and bluster to achieve some other outcome?

Can I take one of each?

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seaslug Wednesday, 5 Feb 2025 at 5:33pm

No

Yes

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adam12 Wednesday, 5 Feb 2025 at 5:37pm
sypkan wrote:

1. to take refugees - temporary or otherwise

the arab world literally laugh at our willingness and naivete in taking refugees

put your ideals aside for a sec., and consider, why are arab refugees not more suited to resettlement in arab countries?

it's simply 'common sense' ...as I've seen it overly portrayed of late...

2. arab peacekeepers are also required in gaza

whether that's;

- maintaining the ceasefire (there will be no peace)

- rebuilding

- forming a new government

- even transitioning gazans out...

(the last one was never on the table...)

but prior to today, every expert I've heard (who are not ideologically nutty) has said...

whatever comes next for gaza/palestine there needs to be some kind of arab force, peacekeepers, mediators, involved

it seems the arab nations avoid both 1 and 2 like the plague

Appreciate that.
But think it's bullshit.
Not how either of these guys work or think.
Trump's not that smart and Bibi just wants to kill as many Arabs as he can, he doesn't want their help with anything.

They are taking it, or will try to.
There is no second agenda here.
That has been the plan from Oct 7,
Land for Israelis.

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velocityjohnno Wednesday, 5 Feb 2025 at 5:37pm
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Maybe we should invade New Zealand before he gets anymore ideas.

Our landing craft would be beached as, bro

It's 100% doable.

Hehehe, just make sure once we're there the bloody Kia's don't nick all our equipment.

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velocityjohnno Wednesday, 5 Feb 2025 at 5:44pm
adam12 wrote:

@Sypkan@VJ,
I'm a bit of a dumb fuck, having trouble connecting the dots here.
So the US and Israeli leaders hold a press conference announcing the US will take over Gaza and ethnically cleanse it of Palestinians...
and this is not what they are going to do...
it's a ruse, a Trump bomb, a chess move...
to "wedge the Arab world into action"...
to do what exactly?
Rebuild Gaza?
What action?
Please, not being glib, explain it to me.

Your take on this is spot on, Adam, this is insane.
Trump did say he'd be the best president for Israel. Bibi has fought a war on 3 sides (not at once, one at a time, smart!) and overcame each, he's got (an increasing amount of) right religious nutters in parliament urging him to expand.
Trump saying US will take on role in Gaza, it's the opposite of what his voters want (US disengage from foreign wars and adventures).
I mean, you can try to rebuild it, they tried regime change in Iraq and introducing democracy, and how has that gone?

Yes I can see the ethnic cleansing element to it as well. Years and years ago came across the whole 'Greater Israel' conspiracy theory, looking at this I'm lost for words.

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flollo Wednesday, 5 Feb 2025 at 5:56pm
sypkan wrote:

1. to take refugees - temporary or otherwise

the arab world literally laugh at our willingness and naivete in taking refugees

put your ideals aside for a sec., and consider, why are arab refugees not more suited to resettlement in arab countries?

it's simply 'common sense' ...as I've seen it overly portrayed of late...

2. arab peacekeepers are also required in gaza

whether that's;

- maintaining the ceasefire (there will be no peace)

- rebuilding

- forming a new government

- even transitioning gazans out...

(the last one was never on the table...)

but prior to today, every expert I've heard (who are not ideologically nutty) has said...

whatever comes next for gaza/palestine there needs to be some kind of arab force, peacekeepers, mediators, involved

it seems the arab nations avoid both 1 and 2 like the plague

Cmon mate, every nation avoids it like a plague. Why would for example Egypt take 1 million Palestinians? Have you ever been there? I have. Go to Cairo, it’s chaos as it is. From the refugee’s perspective; you lost everything, why would you bother going to Egypt where you will have nothing. Mind as well try to get to Germany.

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old-dog Wednesday, 5 Feb 2025 at 5:57pm

You have to laugh at the Trump lovers desperate attempts to polish a turd.

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@Sypkan, just reread my reply to you and sorry it came across as a bit rude and dismissive and I respect you and your opinions greatly and want to say sorry for my tone.
Bit fired up about this cnt Trump today.
You made valid points and I was a dick calling it bullshit.
Hope you forgive me.

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GuySmiley Wednesday, 5 Feb 2025 at 6:02pm

This is what currently the Age is leading with

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flollo Wednesday, 5 Feb 2025 at 6:04pm

That’s exactly what this is

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flollo Wednesday, 5 Feb 2025 at 6:16pm
freeride76 wrote:

Quick straw poll here.

Who here expects Trump to make good on his word and send US troops into invade and takeover Gaza?

Who here expects this to be smoke and mirrors and bluster to achieve some other outcome?

You could argue that Trump being Trump needs to get out there with the most outrageous statements, guaranteeing 24/7 global spotlight. That was always his strategy. More you talk about him less space others get. More often than not he doesn’t have a plan supporting his claim. So, the best case scenario with Gaza would be that it’s just another publicity stunt. I don’t think he will be able to go ahead with it. There are too many hurdles to jump.

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Hiccups Wednesday, 5 Feb 2025 at 6:20pm
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I think people are misinterpreting bibi's 'genocidal' smile...

I think it's more a smirk at the outrageousness of trump's proposals

Yeah, man. Misinterpreting the smile that's already blown up 20,000 children. Haha, that Bibi, just finding the humour in Trump's ridiculousness and his jolly idea to send Palestinians off to settle in other countries as he wages his campaign to get immigrants out of the great USA.

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Hiccups Wednesday, 5 Feb 2025 at 6:23pm

I guess Bibs coukd be smiling cos by rights he should've been arrested for war crimes the moment he stepped foot on U.S soil, if not before.

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blackers Wednesday, 5 Feb 2025 at 6:26pm
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tubeshooter wrote:

Maybe we should invade New Zealand before he gets anymore ideas.

Our landing craft would be beached as, bro

It's 100% doable.

Hehehe, just make sure once we're there the bloody Kia's don't nick all our equipment.

Oh no bro, a kea stole my go pro!

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etarip Wednesday, 5 Feb 2025 at 6:27pm
freeride76 wrote:

Quick straw poll here.

Who here expects Trump to make good on his word and send US troops into invade and takeover Gaza?

Who here expects this to be smoke and mirrors and bluster to achieve some other outcome?

1. Nope. Political suicide. “No new wars”.
And there’s the legacy of the 1982 bombing that killed 268 US Marine peacekeepers in Beirut.

2. Absolutely.

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indo-dreaming Wednesday, 5 Feb 2025 at 6:32pm
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As an aside, the man sharing the stage today with President Trump was not really Benjamin Netanyahu.
That man's real name is Benjamin Mileikowsky.
He is Polish, his family is Polish, and he has no Hebrew DNA.
He changed his name...for some reason....

After 600,000 to 700,000 of 1 million Jews were killed in Judea (West Bank) Jews fled to save their lifes' (Jewish diaspora)

Hence:

"Jews often changed their surnames to assimilate into the wider society, particularly in Europe, by adopting names that were less obviously Jewish, thus potentially avoiding antisemitism and improving their economic prospects by blending in with the non-Jewish population; this practice was especially prevalent when forced to adopt surnames by government regulations in various European countries, leading many to choose names based on their location or occupation.
Key points about Jewish surname changes:

Assimilation:
The primary reason for changing surnames was to appear less Jewish and avoid discrimination by blending into the surrounding community.

Government mandates:
Many European countries required Jews to adopt fixed surnames, leading them to choose names that were easily translatable or not overtly Jewish.

Name patterns:
Many Jewish surnames adopted during this period included descriptive elements like "Gold" (meaning gold), "Stein" (meaning stone), or "Baum" (meaning tree).
Immigration impact:

When immigrating to new countries like the United States, Jews sometimes had their names altered by immigration officials due to pronunciation difficulties. "

Who knows what his original Jewish family surname was or if they even had one, and i don't expect you or anyone else knows his DNA make up.

But if he did what percentage of blood from Israel/Judea is the pass mark for you?

In regard to why he changed his surname to a Jeewish/hebrew one, i expect many ethnic groups do this to reclaim a part of their ethnicity and identity.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebraization_of_surnames

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indo-dreaming Wednesday, 5 Feb 2025 at 6:40pm

I havent read or heard about this USA Gaza thing, so yet to deep dive into views of those in the know.

But im honestly very surprised, it's not something that ive ever heard any Israel related media/podcast/people etc ever suggest could happen, im sure they would all say it's not realistic.

Support to take out Iran nuclear facilties and go after the puppet master rather than the puppet, or USA support in annexation of areas of Judea & Samaria yes, but not this.

I think this is just something Trump is putting out there to then be able to negotiate on.

He now can say USA will only help with the rebuild in Gaza if this goes through.(otherwise so much USA money will go back into building terrorist infrastructure and UN peacekeepers ion places like Lebanon are a complete joke so they would be pointless.

Or use it for negotiations with Saudi Arabia in Abraham accord's.

Or use it in negotiation's for Jordan or Egypt taking Gazan refugees (for those wanting to flee and start a new life which is normal for any country under war)

Basically put this up there as the big thing, then let the other side see it as win when he doesn't go through with it. (basically bargaining with something that is never going to happen anyway)

Or maybe its a way to instigate an Arab country or alliance to step up in take over from Hamas.

Anyway im going to deep dive before commenting further.

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sypkan Wednesday, 5 Feb 2025 at 6:35pm
flollo wrote:
sypkan wrote:

1. to take refugees - temporary or otherwise

the arab world literally laugh at our willingness and naivete in taking refugees

put your ideals aside for a sec., and consider, why are arab refugees not more suited to resettlement in arab countries?

it's simply 'common sense' ...as I've seen it overly portrayed of late...

2. arab peacekeepers are also required in gaza

whether that's;

- maintaining the ceasefire (there will be no peace)

- rebuilding

- forming a new government

- even transitioning gazans out...

(the last one was never on the table...)

but prior to today, every expert I've heard (who are not ideologically nutty) has said...

whatever comes next for gaza/palestine there needs to be some kind of arab force, peacekeepers, mediators, involved

it seems the arab nations avoid both 1 and 2 like the plague

Cmon mate, every nation avoids it like a plague. Why would for example Egypt take 1 million Palestinians? Have you ever been there? I have. Go to Cairo, it’s chaos as it is. From the refugee’s perspective; you lost everything, why would you bother going to Egypt where you will have nothing. Mind as well try to get to Germany.

well I was thinking more the rich arab nations...

they have money, land, resources

and, more referring to them all avoiding taking over th e peacekeeping role like the plague, you could expect them to be more pro-active, pushy even... if they are tired of all the death and destruction...

sadly, they all seem quite happy to play this chess game of proxy in the shadows

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Hiccups Wednesday, 5 Feb 2025 at 6:37pm
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Anyway im going to deep dive before commenting further.

Maybe you should save your deep dive and just retract being such a Zionist heel and simp for Trump.

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southernraw Wednesday, 5 Feb 2025 at 6:44pm

Lets not forget, on October 7th, the highly secure Israel kept the gate open, and unsecured for just long enough for all hell to break loose and take a heap of hostages.
Bibi basically licking his lips like the predator he is as he listens to Donald. .
This is wrong on every fucked up level.
America wanted a dictator, they got themselves more than one.
Well played power move Trump. Can't fault his cunning.

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indo-dreaming Wednesday, 5 Feb 2025 at 6:46pm
Hiccups wrote:
indo-dreaming wrote:

Anyway im going to deep dive before commenting further.

Maybe you should save your deep dive and just retract being such a Zionist heel and simp for Trump.

Hope you didnt miss this recent poll

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Another new poll was done this month in USA.

"Polling reveals Americans’ widespread, bipartisan support for Israel "

(below taken from article, it's longer, this is the meat)

This widespread support for Israel may seem quizzical given the outsized attention to the disruptive — yet very public — anti-Israel protests that have erupted in American cities and on campuses since the war began in October 2023.

And yet the data, captured routinely since the outbreak of the war, suggest that these protests do not align with the true mood of the American people.

As far back as November 2023, we found that Americans overwhelmingly (70 percent) believe that “Hamas is a terrorist organization that wrongly attacks, kidnaps, and murders innocent civilians.” Only 8 percent agreed with the statement that “Hamas is a freedom-fighting organization committed to liberating the Palestinian people and ending Israeli occupation.”

In that same vein, the poll suggests that support for Israel and concern over growing antisemitism at home are both bipartisan ideas. Seventy percent of U.S. adults support Israel’s right to defend itself, and the support is consistently high among Republicans (79 percent), Democrats (65 percent) and independents (65 percent).

What’s more, this bipartisan support extends beyond Israel’s current war with Hamas in Gaza.

Majorities of Republicans (76 percent), independents (57 percent) and Democrats (53 percent) agree that “the U.S. should remain a steadfast ally of Israel and fully support it in a war with Iran.”

It is not just support for Israel where Americans are largely united. At home, as protests on college campuses continue — including at Columbia University last week, where students interrupted a class to distribute antisemitic fliers featuring violent images — Americans of all parties are united in concern over rising antisemitism due to the war.

Strong majorities of Republicans (70 percent), Democrats (65 percent) and independents (61 percent) expressed concern that the current Israel-Hamas conflict has led to an increase in antisemitism on campuses.

Similarly, three-quarters (74 percent) of Republicans along with majorities of Democrats (62 percent) and independents (59 percent) support college administrations tightening rules around these protests.

Ultimately, the polling indicates that, far from being a partisan issue, Americans are largely united in supporting Israel’s right to self-defense and worrying over the impact of surging antisemitism.

Moreover, the data suggest that the media narrative of stark partisan differences toward Israel, which has taken root since Oct. 7, 2023, is inaccurate. Support for Israel does not divide Americans along party lines — rather, it is an area of bipartisan agreement in an age when such widely supported issues are increasingly rare.

Douglas E. Schoen and Carly Cooperman are pollsters and partners with the public opinion company Schoen Cooperman Research based in New York. They are co-authors of the book, “America: Unite or Die.”

https://thehill.com/opinion/international/5107276-bipartisan-support-isr...

Link to poll done this month
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1D8ix62P-eXgsXqc0DK2fbPqin1YwQv77/view?p...

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sypkan Wednesday, 5 Feb 2025 at 6:47pm

I'm the first one to say don't read too much into trump's language...

but fark me he used some curious language in that little press conference

the only thing that comforts me in terms of his intention not being exactly as spoken is the contradictions he also blurted out

but then,I went and read this...

"...And peace in the region means a better life for the Palestinians. A better life is not necessarily tied to the physical space that you're in today. A better life is about better opportunity, better financial conditions, better aspirations for you and your family. That doesn't occur because you get to pitch a tent in the Gaza Strip and you're surrounded by 30,000 munitions that could go off at any moment. It's a dangerous place to live today.""

https://www.foxnews.com/media/trumps-middle-east-envoy-explains-presiden...

that's all a bit terrifying actually

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sypkan Wednesday, 5 Feb 2025 at 6:49pm

all cool adam12

the whole thing is next level nutso

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adam12 Wednesday, 5 Feb 2025 at 6:54pm
indo-dreaming wrote:
adam12 wrote:

As an aside, the man sharing the stage today with President Trump was not really Benjamin Netanyahu.
That man's real name is Benjamin Mileikowsky.
He is Polish, his family is Polish, and he has no Hebrew DNA.
He changed his name...for some reason....

After 600,000 to 700,000 of 1 million Jews were killed in Judea (West Bank) Jews fled to save their lifes' (Jewish diaspora)

Hence:

"Jews often changed their surnames to assimilate into the wider society, particularly in Europe, by adopting names that were less obviously Jewish, thus potentially avoiding antisemitism and improving their economic prospects by blending in with the non-Jewish population; this practice was especially prevalent when forced to adopt surnames by government regulations in various European countries, leading many to choose names based on their location or occupation.
Key points about Jewish surname changes:

Assimilation:
The primary reason for changing surnames was to appear less Jewish and avoid discrimination by blending into the surrounding community.

Government mandates:
Many European countries required Jews to adopt fixed surnames, leading them to choose names that were easily translatable or not overtly Jewish.

Name patterns:
Many Jewish surnames adopted during this period included descriptive elements like "Gold" (meaning gold), "Stein" (meaning stone), or "Baum" (meaning tree).
Immigration impact:

When immigrating to new countries like the United States, Jews sometimes had their names altered by immigration officials due to pronunciation difficulties. "

Who knows what his original Jewish family surname was or if they even had one, and i don't expect you or anyone else knows his DNA make up.

But if he did what percentage of blood from Israel/Judea is the pass mark for you?

In regard to why he changed his surname to a Jeewish/hebrew one, i expect many ethnic groups do this to reclaim a part of their ethnicity and identity.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebraization_of_surnames

Thanks for the history lesson dickwad.
I do have a computer and can access Wikipedia but don't need to on this.
I am familiar with the history. Objectively familiar unlike you.
He changed his name so people wouldn't think he's a settler.
Occupying someone else's land.
They all do it.
And before you go giving me another history lesson let me give you one in law.
The law states that Israel's occupation of Palestine is illegal. The Palestinians are entitled to SELF determination and the STATE of Palestine.
You are entitled to express your opinion or think otherwise. Many do.
But that is what the law says, and that won't change.
And Mr Mileikowsky is a wanted war criminal, no matter what he calls himself.
That won't change either.