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Jelly Flater wrote:- humble pie is served ;)
That was amazing hahaha.
“Trump had Dr Phil and Hulk Hogan and he still fucking won”
Jelly Flater wrote:- humble pie is served ;)
Gold...
What Trump has done does need to happen elsewhere, same in Aus as the little guy has no real chance to effect change and the main parties don’t give a fuck about most of us.
You just need to look at the protection racket played in Aus with politicians and how they wrap themselves in benefits and protect each other when the shit hits the fan.. ie flight and taking family and overnight allowances and non taxed allowance etc etc… and they parrot it’s within the rules. Rules none of them want to change
We have a swamp here also.. as does everywhere else.
How Trump acts over the next few years will be telling.
andy-mac wrote:Jelly Flater wrote:- humble pie is served ;)
Gold...
Southernraw, listen to this video carefully.
Democrats put Obama for candidacy in 2008. Back then Obama barely had a couple of years of Senate experience. But they had the guts to promote a young, black and amitious guy. That was truly progressive. Does anyone rememeber the 2008 elections? Remember the change, enhusiasm and overwhelming support that Obama got? Also, Obama had to battle Hillary through primaries to get elected. But once he won it was a one way road to victory. He was ready to win.
Fast forward to 2024 and Democrats eagerly defended an old, frail man who was not fit for the job in the last 12 months (if ever but let's focus on the last 12 months). They engaged into enormous media propaganda to assure everyone that Biden is strong and healthy despite normal citizens around the whole globe disagreeing with this. Then, once the shit hit the fan they scrambled in mad rush, removed that old man they defended so vigirously and replaced him with his VP. A VP who didn't have to fight head to head to get selected. The lack of that primary fight was visible in Harris' inexperienced campaign. And of course, it was nearly impossible for Harris to distance herself from her boss who was deeply unpopular.
You have to ask yourself; how did a party who was so progressive in 2008 turned so regressive in 2024? In 2024 Trump feels more refreshing than the alternative. Personally, I find this hard to believe but this is the reality considering bad choices and strategy in the Democratic party.
Roadkill wrote:What Trump has done does need to happen elsewhere, same in Aus as the little guy has no real chance to effect change and the main parties don’t give a fuck about most of us.
You just need to look at the protection racket played in Aus with politicians and how they wrap themselves in benefits and protect each other when the shit hits the fan.. ie flight and taking family and overnight allowances and non taxed allowance etc etc… and they parrot it’s within the rules. Rules none of them want to change
We have a swamp here also.. as does everywhere else.
How Trump acts over the next few years will be telling.
100%. We're around 6 months away from the election and I have no idea who to vote for.
flollo wrote:Roadkill wrote:What Trump has done does need to happen elsewhere, same in Aus as the little guy has no real chance to effect change and the main parties don’t give a fuck about most of us.
You just need to look at the protection racket played in Aus with politicians and how they wrap themselves in benefits and protect each other when the shit hits the fan.. ie flight and taking family and overnight allowances and non taxed allowance etc etc… and they parrot it’s within the rules. Rules none of them want to change
We have a swamp here also.. as does everywhere else.
How Trump acts over the next few years will be telling.
100%. We're around 6 months away from the election and I have no idea who to vote for.
Same same.
I'd like to learn more about why Americans voted for Trump. Because, I really don't know much at all.
I don't know what it's like to be an American, to live and work there, to bring up kids through school. So any opinions I have really don't mean anything, as I have no lived experience.
On the face of it, US politics seems to be more of a popularity contest (exacerbated by the media, where we only see the 'juicy' soundbites over here), however I know little about either side's policies.
The small snippets I have heard seem implausible (Trump will immediately deport 20 million immigrants, stop the war in Ukraine, add 60% tariffs to Chinese imports etc). But now we get to see whether he will follow through.
I honestly can't recall any of Harris' major policies, which is probably part of the Dem's problems.
I think we all could learn by listening to the other side more often.
I don't see any point in name calling, finger pointing, or the like. Regardless of your own preference, Trump overwhelmingly won the election which means a significant majority of Americans thought he was the best choice to lead the country forward.
I just want to understand why.
I’d suggest kamala’s word salad non answer to this part of the first question of the debate figures heavily…
- (So let's get started. I want to begin tonight with the issue voters repeatedly say is their number one issue, and that is the economy and the cost of living in this country.)
“…your opponent on the stage here tonight often asks his supporters, are you better off than you were four years ago? When it comes to the economy, do you believe Americans are better off than they were four years ago?“
;)
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"A majority of Latino men, big gains among Asian voters and black men — and a lot more members of Gen Z.
That’s how Donald Trump built a diverse coalition that propelled the former president to an electoral blowout on Tuesday — adding nearly 9 million more votes than he won in 2016.
Vice President Kamala Harris’s loss was marked by her campaign hemorrhaging long-held Democratic support from groups that have been stalwart Democratic supporters for generations, according to exit polls by Edison Research.
The surveys showed a dramatic drift rightward for young and non-white voters, according to GOP pollster and strategist Patrick Ruffini.
“It is historically unprecedented in the modern era,” Ruffini told The Post, referring to the period following the passage of the 1964 Civil Rights Act."
https://nypost.com/2024/11/06/us-news/how-trump-won-with-latino-asian-an...
Been trying to tell you Gen Z is more conservative than Gen Y for a long time here, Latinos are also a larger % of most immigrants into the US in recent years I would think. So it's "historically unprecedented in the modern era." This is a huge takeaway from this election.
^ good stuff @vj
& some hindsight takeaway ;)
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check this out, from same article
"Strikingly, Trump’s support among white voters dropped by 3 percentage point from 2016 — and Harris gained 8 points among white voters."
lmao
I reckon there are some very timely lessons for Australian election coming up - laser focus on cost of living/inflation, cheap energy, expansion of meaningful productive work, focus on immigration too which was a major concern in the US.
Labor doing opposite on all these, Libs off in a nuclear fantasy, door is open...
thermalben wrote:I'd like to learn more about why Americans voted for Trump. Because, I really don't know much at all.
I don't know what it's like to be an American, to live and work there, to bring up kids through school. So any opinions I have really don't mean anything, as I have no lived experience.
On the face of it, US politics seems to be more of a popularity contest (exacerbated by the media, where we only see the 'juicy' soundbites over here), however I know little about either side's policies.
The small snippets I have heard seem implausible (Trump will immediately deport 20 million immigrants, stop the war in Ukraine, add 60% tariffs to Chinese imports etc). But now we get to see whether he will follow through.
I honestly can't recall any of Harris' major policies, which is probably part of the Dem's problems.
I think we all could learn by listening to the other side more often.
I don't see any point in name calling, finger pointing, or the like. Regardless of your own preference, Trump overwhelmingly won the election which means a significant majority of Americans thought he was the best choice to lead the country forward.
I just want to understand why.
Couldn't agree more!
Great vid Jelly, hopefully someone starts listening to young men's voices
It really is about time
Roadkill wrote:What Trump has done does need to happen elsewhere, same in Aus as the little guy has no real chance to effect change and the main parties don’t give a fuck about most of us.
You just need to look at the protection racket played in Aus with politicians and how they wrap themselves in benefits and protect each other when the shit hits the fan.. ie flight and taking family and overnight allowances and non taxed allowance etc etc… and they parrot it’s within the rules. Rules none of them want to change
We have a swamp here also.. as does everywhere else.
How Trump acts over the next few years will be telling.
I agree Roady.
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thermalben wrote:I'd like to learn more about why Americans voted for Trump. Because, I really don't know much at all.
I don't know what it's like to be an American, to live and work there, to bring up kids through school. So any opinions I have really don't mean anything, as I have no lived experience.
On the face of it, US politics seems to be more of a popularity contest (exacerbated by the media, where we only see the 'juicy' soundbites over here), however I know little about either side's policies.
The small snippets I have heard seem implausible (Trump will immediately deport 20 million immigrants, stop the war in Ukraine, add 60% tariffs to Chinese imports etc). But now we get to see whether he will follow through.
I honestly can't recall any of Harris' major policies, which is probably part of the Dem's problems.
I think we all could learn by listening to the other side more often.
I don't see any point in name calling, finger pointing, or the like. Regardless of your own preference, Trump overwhelmingly won the election which means a significant majority of Americans thought he was the best choice to lead the country forward.
I just want to understand why.
I’ll try to provide more insight. Before I start, I work for an American company and a lot of my colleagues are US citizens. Some moved here to Aus, some live there etc. I engage with them daily. I would say that I talk more to Americans than Aussies on daily basis. I also travel to the US for work. I did 2 trips this year and visited multiple states.
Top 2 hot topics in the US are inflation and immigration. And both at extremely visible. Let me explain.
Economy as a whole is actually doing well but to the point where everything got so expensive that people can’t really afford much. Compared to the hotspots in the US Australia seems like a bargain. Overall, people will say that the US is cheaper but that is only because they have a shit ton of shit areas/cities where most don’t want to live anyway. Go to any popular, nice area and you will pay 30%-60% more than what you pay here in Aus. Simply speaking, $7.50USD lattes are not very popular. Also, getting a quality product is very expensive. Look at food for example; awful, processed junk food is cheap in Wallmart but healthier, quality options cost an arm and a leg in Wholefoods.
All this is very different to terrible economic times when there is no work. People can rationalise that; no work = no money. But now everyone is working and there is still no money. It’s a hard pill to swallow, unless you’re very old you never experienced inflation in this way. So it’s very visible in people’s lives and human bandwidth is not big enough to care about fringe issues when they have a hole in the pocket.
Regarding immigration; it is incredibly visible. It’s easy to talk about immigration when it’s not on your doorstep. But in the US it literally is on people’s doorsteps. Lots of little busy corners, streets have immigrants trying to make a living by selling all sorts of nonsense. Some are cool, selling good food for very cheap. You can get great Mexican for nothing next to some random traffic light. But a lot of shit people don’t want or need is being pushed in your face on your commute to work. Some cities are keeping this under control while others left it to the streets to sort it out. Overall, it’s a mixed bag of issues but my point is - it is there, it is real and it is in many people’s faces on daily basis.
Now, is Biden fully responsible for it all? I would say no. But he is the current administration and he is being punished for it. Choosing his second in charge to run for presidency was disastrous. She couldn’t shake off his baggage.
Will Trump fix these issues? I believe the answer is no. But he hit the nail with his campaign and dealt with big issues while the other side largely ignored them.
There’s more issues than these two of course but these two are huge.
Thanks flollo. I've been to the US a few times this year and was surprised at the cost of things (i.e. food), though the price of fuel seemed reasonable, if somewhat cheap (though hard to compare easily).
Also for you, Ben
https://quillette.com/2024/11/06/the-revenge-of-the-silent-male-voter-tr...
And if you're on Twitter:
https://x.com/KonstantinKisin/status/1854151133385613690
This young fella runs a <$5000 car yard (think: market for everyday people on not much income) and does the channel to describe what he sees going on in US auto industry. Covid pricing included gouging, and prices went to ridiculous levels - convert to AUD for more shock. It helps fill in the gap between the SP500 reaching new highs, and perhaps what everyday people are feeling in the US, as per Flollo's great post
Econ history: stockpiles of goods rose through 1928, quite a while before the market there coined onto the fact in 1929...
Those two last post from Follo and Island bays links are all interesting reads and perspectives
Here is a solid reason why I would have voted for trump:
thermalben wrote:I'd like to learn more about why Americans voted for Trump. Because, I really don't know much at all.
I don't know what it's like to be an American, to live and work there, to bring up kids through school. So any opinions I have really don't mean anything, as I have no lived experience.
On the face of it, US politics seems to be more of a popularity contest (exacerbated by the media, where we only see the 'juicy' soundbites over here), however I know little about either side's policies.
The small snippets I have heard seem implausible (Trump will immediately deport 20 million immigrants, stop the war in Ukraine, add 60% tariffs to Chinese imports etc). But now we get to see whether he will follow through.
I honestly can't recall any of Harris' major policies, which is probably part of the Dem's problems.
I think we all could learn by listening to the other side more often.
I don't see any point in name calling, finger pointing, or the like. Regardless of your own preference, Trump overwhelmingly won the election which means a significant majority of Americans thought he was the best choice to lead the country forward.
I just want to understand why.
I think the key difference was Trump did have clear policies (chiefly around the economy and immigration) which, believe it or not, did actually have some nuance to them if you looked beyond the sensationalist sound-bites most media communicated. One may not agree with them, but they were readily discernable.
From my vantage point the democrat's chief messaging was not policy (as you also noted), but rather "At least we're not that guy."
So maybe the Dem's mistake was thinking it WAS just a popularity contest and not giving voters enough credit.
Pretty interesting to me that Donald Trump is a widely despised character, including amongst his own party. Notwithstanding the popular vote, I expect over 50% of voters would agree he is not a good egg - despicable even. But person and personality aside, he and the GOP stood for things that resonated.
Perhaps more than ever this was a decision by Americans in respect of two known quantities, so the final choice became uniquely simply: Do you want another 4 years of what you just had? Or in light of the last 4 years, would you prefer to give the reigns back to Trump? Putting the two most recent terms of government side by side, voters decided to put back in charge the bloke they fired just 4 years ago.
Democracy for all its foibles continues to surprise and impress me.
burleigh wrote:Here is a solid reason why I would have voted for trump:
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DCC8PgOP7f-/?igsh=dDY3N21qOXh4YzZq
Any thoughts on fossil fuels burleigh. ?
AndyM wrote:andy-mac wrote:Jelly Flater wrote:- humble pie is served ;)
Gold...
Southernraw, listen to this video carefully.
Tripping mate. Voting for a criminal, with likely sexual assaults in his past as well as potential paedophilia, over anyone else without that sordid background needs to be relentlessly called out and the characters of said questioned and if relevant, stereotyped for what they represent. Fair?
And fwiw first msg i received this morning was from a female friend, surfer, owns her own successful smallbusoness, has a kid. And allshe said was....my country sucks, this must look like such a circus to the rest of the world.
Theres people there genuinelybreaking down at the thought of another 4 yesrs under what many politicians believe to he the most damaging politician in history.. and a fucking criminal.
Since when did we become complacent to this shit and accepting.
Weak.
burleigh wrote:Here is a solid reason why I would have voted for trump:
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DCC8PgOP7f-/?igsh=dDY3N21qOXh4YzZq
In 2 years…nothing will have changed. In 4 years… when Trumps term is over nothing would have changed. USA food manufacturing won’t change because of this Kennedy flog.
The only way it will change if the consumer changes their buying habits.
There’s going to be a hell of a lot more black balloons over the US.
It’s already contrived and economically manipulated.
It’s called the environment, the biological world.
No wonder humans are being confronted with new life threatening diseases.
This current global bird flu can kill humans. He will just keep blowing is Trumpet and bury his head in the sand.
I feel for SouthernRaw’s friend/correspondent in the US.
Her perception is correct, from the outside it looks fucked from where I’m sitting.
Us here in Oz are conducting ourselves in a same manner, destroy everything and then ponder why we did that in a decades time. AW
thermalben wrote:Thanks flollo. I've been to the US a few times this year and was surprised at the cost of things (i.e. food), though the price of fuel seemed reasonable, if somewhat cheap (though hard to compare easily).
True, fuel is cheap from the international perspective. But if you're someone who was paying a $1 per gallon in early 2000s you get a shock when you see $5.50 per gallon in California. California is a lot more expensive then elsewhere but at the peak in 2022, under Biden administration, even places like Pennsylvania peaked above $5 per gallon. Early Covid was deflationary, prices went down to $2. but even just before Covid it was around $2.50-ish in Philadelphia. So, it went from $2-ish to $5+ in record time. That was a shock to the system for regular people. You can't get it back to the good old days but still, this pissed people off. Especially as they watched Biden getting so eagerly engaged into Ukraine, all while being told that same Ukraine conflict pushed their fuel prices to record levels.
- could be cheaper, maybe time for another oil crusade!
… what happened to the loot ;)
(Former US President Donald Trump boasted in 2020: “They say, ‘He left troops in Syria’. You know what I did? I left troops to take the oil. I took the oil. The only troops I have are taking the oil. They’re protecting the oil. I took over the oil”.)
https://geopoliticaleconomy.com/2023/12/12/us-troops-occupy-syria-oil-co...
https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/inside-story-how-tru...
https://energy.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/oil-and-gas/us-sends-mo...
flollo wrote:True, fuel is cheap from the international perspective. But if you're someone who was paying a $1 per gallon in early 2000s you get a shock when you see $5.50 per gallon in California
Two decades plus is a looong time though.
Can't recall specifics but I'm pretty sure the early 2000's were around 80-90c/L in Australia, now they're more than double that, and have spiked even higher in recent years.
flollo wrote:thermalben wrote:Thanks flollo. I've been to the US a few times this year and was surprised at the cost of things (i.e. food), though the price of fuel seemed reasonable, if somewhat cheap (though hard to compare easily).
True, fuel is cheap from the international perspective. But if you're someone who was paying a $1 per gallon in early 2000s you get a shock when you see $5.50 per gallon in California. California is a lot more expensive then elsewhere but at the peak in 2022, under Biden administration, even places like Pennsylvania peaked above $5 per gallon. Early Covid was deflationary, prices went down to $2. but even just before Covid it was around $2.50-ish in Philadelphia. So, it went from $2-ish to $5+ in record time. That was a shock to the system for regular people. You can't get it back to the good old days but still, this pissed people off. Especially as they watched Biden getting so eagerly engaged into Ukraine, all while being told that same Ukraine conflict pushed their fuel prices to record levels.
If a new war in the ME, they may be wishing for $5 a gallon, or is the US self sufficient now?
^ of course ;)
…self sufficiency is the hallmark of ummm freedumb
- illegally invading and occupying (liberating people and resources)
;);)
afaik shale revolution there produces a very light crude, their refineries are set up to run on it. Easy to make lighter or refine for petrol motors, harder to get the more dense carbon chain stuff from? They are independent on this (maybe not the heavier crudes so much, but Canada has those tar sands), and they are also a major gas exporter.
So I think they don't need to invade now, they can disengage, which if you watch their maritime policy is what they are in the process of doing. It'll be 'defend your own' in the gulf and on the high seas.
Jelly Flater wrote:^ of course ;)
…self sufficiency is the hallmark of ummm
- illegally invading and occupying (liberating people and resources););)
Was referring to drilling on US soil, but yeah get your point.
On a side note, will be interesting to see what BRICS do with Trump, will they speed up their own trading currency, which is already on the cards?
Could be some trade wars coming up, and oil petrodollar wars. Iran I'm sure would like to sell their oil to China bypassing USD.
Probably was going to happen no matter who won.
Interesting times.
Here's US emissions, annual peaked in 2007 and it's going down, still very large amounts compared to little Australia. Per capital US emissions going down too.
https://ourworldindata.org/co2/country/united-states
Andy I think the oil for other currency/gold swaps have already begun amongst BRICS members
velocityjohnno wrote:Here's US emissions, annual peaked in 2007 and it's going down, still very large amounts compared to little Australia. Per capital US emissions going down too.
https://ourworldindata.org/co2/country/united-states
Andy I think the oil for other currency/gold swaps have already begun amongst BRICS members
Cheers VJ.
…. US(!) of A
- hawaiian intermission ;)
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Roadkill wrote:Jelly Flater wrote:- humble pie is served ;)
Your best post ever, jelly.
That was brilliant.
Haha that was on point. He’s brilliant!
ps. Someone please ram it down Albo’s throat.
pps. Bernie Sanders needs a consultancy job with Oz Labor stat.
burleigh wrote:Here is a solid reason why I would have voted for trump:
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DCC8PgOP7f-/?igsh=dDY3N21qOXh4YzZq
You mean like this?
RFK: "On January 20, the Trump White House will advise all U.S. water systems to remove fluoride from public water. Fluoride is an industrial waste associated with arthritis, bone fractures, bone cancer, IQ loss, neurodevelopmental disorders, and thyroid disease."
World Leaders Congratulate Trump
Rocket Man Ronald
Outta this World Employee of the Millennium [Donald]
https://img.ifunny.co/images/81658591beb131e1e9ba5db8feb724cca98b81e59d3...
https://media.newyorker.com/photos/5c3e10b2f92c694343cc71b9/master/w_128...
Kamala's Employee of the Month Voucher "Slightly Unused" $20
https://www.ebay.com/itm/335029191768
Jelly Flater wrote:- could be cheaper, maybe time for another oil crusade!
… what happened to the loot ;)(Former US President Donald Trump boasted in 2020: “They say, ‘He left troops in Syria’. You know what I did? I left troops to take the oil. I took the oil. The only troops I have are taking the oil. They’re protecting the oil. I took over the oil”.)
https://geopoliticaleconomy.com/2023/12/12/us-troops-occupy-syria-oil-co...
https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/inside-story-how-tru...
https://energy.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/oil-and-gas/us-sends-mo...
And funnily enough, who was one of the senators that voted for US troops withdrawal? J.D. Vance.
southernraw wrote:And fwiw first msg i received this morning was from a female friend, surfer, owns her own successful smallbusoness, has a kid. And allshe said was....my country sucks, this must look like such a circus to the rest of the world.
Theres people there genuinelybreaking down at the thought of another 4 yesrs under what many politicians believe to he the most damaging politician in history.. and a fucking criminal.
Since when did we become complacent to this shit and accepting.
Weak.
Sad but true Southern. No one cares. Teflon Don can do as he please. It's so sickening its beyond words. And the fact that all those voters overlooked his crimes, lies, sexual offending and godknowswhatelse is just incredible. But as Nietzsche once said "In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. " Well in this case we have an insane POTUS. But hey, it's time to relax, sit back and watch the chaos. As someone said earlier it will be funny watching his stupidity, his firing everyone, his arsecrawling to other dictators. Shame about all the lives he'll ruin but hey, he'll get those living prices down... and that's all that matters, apparently. Oh yeah, and let's enjoy the worsening climate catastrophes as trumpy fracks the fuk outta the place. Fun times ahead hehe.
So, what now for Kamala?
Presidential aspirations over?
I can't see her getting the nomination on the next go around.
TimTam wrote:southernraw wrote:And fwiw first msg i received this morning was from a female friend, surfer, owns her own successful smallbusoness, has a kid. And allshe said was....my country sucks, this must look like such a circus to the rest of the world.
Theres people there genuinelybreaking down at the thought of another 4 yesrs under what many politicians believe to he the most damaging politician in history.. and a fucking criminal.
Since when did we become complacent to this shit and accepting.
Weak.Sad but true Southern. No one cares. Teflon Don can do as he please. It's so sickening its beyond words. And the fact that all those voters overlooked his crimes, lies, sexual offending and godknowswhatelse is just incredible. But as Nietzsche once said "In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. " Well in this case we have an insane POTUS. But hey, it's time to relax, sit back and watch the chaos. As someone said earlier it will be funny watching his stupidity, his firing everyone, his arsecrawling to other dictators. Shame about all the lives he'll ruin but hey, he'll get those living prices down... and that's all that matters, apparently. Oh yeah, and let's enjoy the worsening climate catastrophes as trumpy fracks the fuk outta the place. Fun times ahead hehe.
Spot on TImtam and cheers for the support.
Not having a go at anyone here, but it must be remembered that it is all middle aged probably white males that live in a priveleged Western country.
It can't be easy to try to put oneself into the shoes of a woman and imagine what having Donald Dick as your leader,...again...must feel like. And for him to now have stirred up all the angsty males of the nation, basically made it clear that male dominance has the green light. Unless i'm misreading his antics over the last....fucken forever.....
rj-davey wrote:thermalben wrote:I'd like to learn more about why Americans voted for Trump. Because, I really don't know much at all.
I don't know what it's like to be an American, to live and work there, to bring up kids through school. So any opinions I have really don't mean anything, as I have no lived experience.
On the face of it, US politics seems to be more of a popularity contest (exacerbated by the media, where we only see the 'juicy' soundbites over here), however I know little about either side's policies.
The small snippets I have heard seem implausible (Trump will immediately deport 20 million immigrants, stop the war in Ukraine, add 60% tariffs to Chinese imports etc). But now we get to see whether he will follow through.
I honestly can't recall any of Harris' major policies, which is probably part of the Dem's problems.
I think we all could learn by listening to the other side more often.
I don't see any point in name calling, finger pointing, or the like. Regardless of your own preference, Trump overwhelmingly won the election which means a significant majority of Americans thought he was the best choice to lead the country forward.
I just want to understand why.
I think the key difference was Trump did have clear policies (chiefly around the economy and immigration) which, believe it or not, did actually have some nuance to them if you looked beyond the sensationalist sound-bites most media communicated. One may not agree with them, but they were readily discernable.
From my vantage point the democrat's chief messaging was not policy (as you also noted), but rather "At least we're not that guy."
So maybe the Dem's mistake was thinking it WAS just a popularity contest and not giving voters enough credit.
Pretty interesting to me that Donald Trump is a widely despised character, including amongst his own party. Notwithstanding the popular vote, I expect over 50% of voters would agree he is not a good egg - despicable even. But person and personality aside, he and the GOP stood for things that resonated.
Perhaps more than ever this was a decision by Americans in respect of two known quantities, so the final choice became uniquely simply: Do you want another 4 years of what you just had? Or in light of the last 4 years, would you prefer to give the reigns back to Trump? Putting the two most recent terms of government side by side, voters decided to put back in charge the bloke they fired just 4 years ago.
Democracy for all its foibles continues to surprise and impress me.
Yeah RJ… that’ll do for an explanation til The Explanation gets here. Well done.
Hey Ben…. i have referred to The Silent Majority a few times in this thread.
They are a very broad coalition.
Cut across all demographics.
Trump built a broad coalition through these results.
That tells me that it was, indeed, The Silent Majority that spoke.
Typically, this coalition prizes Prudence.
This batcha concluded that, in light of the economy, and threats around the globe, the Dems were a more clear and present danger than Trump, who may undo the Democracy this nation has employed.
That is quite the statement of desperation.
Not a statement, therefore, of Prudence.
And that is why it is hard to wrap head around.
But, that is The Mood. Clearly.
Wanted to be more concise.
Hope this helps.
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At least she's not a fucken criminal.
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