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OK so looking at project 2025 policy - which may have strong influence on Trump - predict just like last election that policy won't shift too much on defence and China:
https://www.project2025.org/policy/
https://static.project2025.org/2025_MandateForLeadership_CHAPTER-04.pdf
Europe will be asked to provide more of it's own defence re: Russia. Other allies will be asked to step up, eg in Pacific. All of this is already happening.
Now what will go on within the govco departments, that will be interesting! A Millei on a grand scale incoming.
Kind bogan with degree here.
zenagain wrote:"But before you go celebrating too hard, take a good look at the map of the USA and the red states, and the demographic of people that make them up, and then take a look at the Blue states, and the relatively normal and civilized people that live in them. Those redneck bible belt states and bros n ho's.....they're your people. That's your crowd."
Southern, I'm not particularly thrilled with Trump winning but your statement above leaves me even less thrilled. Earlier I posted a comment how recently I had a very pleasant exchange with an 18 year old, educated, informed and intelligent woman of colour from Alabama who just happened to vote for Trump in step with her friends.
The very same type of person you'd go into bat for any day of the week by virtue of she being who she is. She ain't no 'ho either.
Those broad brush statements probably have something to do with why Kamala lost.
Bingo!
zenagain wrote:"But before you go celebrating too hard, take a good look at the map of the USA and the red states, and the demographic of people that make them up, and then take a look at the Blue states, and the relatively normal and civilized people that live in them. Those redneck bible belt states and bros n ho's.....they're your people. That's your crowd."
Southern, I'm not particularly thrilled with Trump winning but your statement above leaves me even less thrilled. Earlier I posted a comment how recently I had a very pleasant exchange with an 18 year old, educated, informed and intelligent woman of colour from Alabama who just happened to vote for Trump in step with her friends.
The very same type of person you'd go into bat for any day of the week by virtue of she being who she is. She ain't no 'ho either.
Those broad brush statements probably have something to do with why Kamala lost.
Calm down Zen.
Seriously, anyone that voted for Trump must be fucked in the head.
Surely you can see that.? Or not?
Clearly a broad sweeping statement regarding the people of those states, especially when the margins aren't huge,...but obviously and clearly the majority of the people in those places...are fucking morons., but surely you can connect the dots of what i'm saying.
Island Bay wrote:zenagain wrote:"But before you go celebrating too hard, take a good look at the map of the USA and the red states, and the demographic of people that make them up, and then take a look at the Blue states, and the relatively normal and civilized people that live in them. Those redneck bible belt states and bros n ho's.....they're your people. That's your crowd."
Southern, I'm not particularly thrilled with Trump winning but your statement above leaves me even less thrilled. Earlier I posted a comment how recently I had a very pleasant exchange with an 18 year old, educated, informed and intelligent woman of colour from Alabama who just happened to vote for Trump in step with her friends.
The very same type of person you'd go into bat for any day of the week by virtue of she being who she is. She ain't no 'ho either.
Those broad brush statements probably have something to do with why Kamala lost.
Bingo!
Bango!
Island Bay wrote:I resent that thumbing your nose at other people. Fwiw, I moved from a city full of highly educated “be kind!” people, to a small town full of rednecks. Turns out the rednecks are the kinder ones. Salt of the earth.
Yep cause the reality is most people that live in regional and country areas aren't rednecks at all and are just down to earth people.
Obviously there is also a lot of good people in urban areas, but there is a lot of people in urban areas that think they are better than others based on income or having some university education, and look down on others type of thing, you even see it here at times.
AlfredWallace wrote:Sick, sick and more sick.
All who voted for him are just like him then.
I’d love to know how many people and of what gender voted for Trump purely because they didn’t want a female president.
McDonaldisation of the world just keeps on rolling on. Fucking kidding me. How backwards is that joint ?
USA just got a political party like QLD just got, you know the ones, the old one step forward , two steps backwards jobby. AW
Careful @AW.
You'll upset the white middle aged disaffected males on this website generalising a state like that!!
"Those broad brush statements probably have something to do with why Kamala lost."
everything zen
those inside still cannot see it...
mind blowing
after so many losses...
some are starting to get it
yet to see it go beyond lip service though...
indo-dreaming wrote:Island Bay wrote:I resent that thumbing your nose at other people. Fwiw, I moved from a city full of highly educated “be kind!” people, to a small town full of rednecks. Turns out the rednecks are the kinder ones. Salt of the earth.
Yep cause the reality is most people that live in regional and country areas aren't rednecks at all and are just down to earth people.
Obviously there is also a lot of good people in urban areas, but there is a lot of people in urban areas that think they are better than others based on income or having some university education.
A look down on others type of thing, you even see it here at times.
But i wasn't talking about cities. So shit point.
Besides NY all the crew i iknow over there live in mostly coastal rural areas. And them and their friends obviously voted Harris.
NYT > 95% Trump win
Rep 306 (vs) Dem 232
NYT has locked these stats in for over an hour...
Dems were told Kamala is not speaking today & for her supporters to hibernate for 4yrs
Fox has declared Trump as the Prez...record biggest ever crowd + loudest screaming!
Trump has been Campaigning for Prez since 2000 > 24 years solid (Same Message)
Trump increasing Vote > 2016 = 46.1% (Won) > 2020 = 46.8% > 2024 = 51.2%
2016 Dem Black Male Prez 51.1% > Vote drops 2.9% > 48.2% to a White Chick
2024 Dem White Male Prez 51.3% > Vote drops 3.9% > 47.4% to a Black Chick
Interesting identical polling for winning men...2012 Obama 2020 Biden 2024 Trump
Media claimed Women flocked to Kamala...
Seems like Women turned backs on Elitist Cabal of Dem Warmongers
Slave boss Kamala's wargasmic child genocide ain't winnin' over dem Peacenik Mums.
Shoulda, coulda stopped blowing up Mother Earth and her children!
[Disclaimer]
Mid Morning tbb pretty much alone tbb hung off ever word of Joe's Inauguration
https://www.swellnet.com/comment/717334
Hung out for his mid morning apology...only outta respect...
https://www.swellnet.com/comment/1018810
Truth is everyday from Joe being elected he blew up the Planet & labelled tbb a killer.
Lost the faith a long while back...glad these maniac Dem Warmongers got voted out.
Be nice not to be labelled a killer from #1 Mass murderer...flush the turds!
Honestly...
Biden scares the shit outta tbb...feel relieved him & Slave driver were driven out
Trump is Up...now! Live!
@AW , trump has promised a lot to people that possibly wouldn’t have bothered voting. Not having to pay tax on tips and overtime was very appealing to people doing it tough . I don’t believe the majority that voted for trump are just like him, I believe they were possibly a bit desperate and hopeful for change . Sure he may have conned them but what was the alternative ? Same shit different day or take a punt and see how the dice rolls . He will still have a target on his back which is probably never going away .
Omg this fool is such a moron... "greatest political movement of all time"... haha. Give me the bleach, i need a drink
And there wasn't any cheating???? Lol
Southern, couldn't be calmer and couldn't really give two hoots either way but your comment smearing a few tens of millions of people caught me.
I don't think Trump supporters are fucked in the head nor Kamala supporters either. They all have their reasons. But I think Supa pretty much summed it up well below. Maybe those that have had shit lives for the last few years are tired of more shit. Any shit except the shit that they've been living. That doesn't make them fucked in the head in my eyes. Desperate maybe, but not stupid.
Edit: PS, the margins were huge. The swings against the dems in some 'safe' states were almost unprecedented.
"@AW , trump has promised a lot to people that possibly wouldn’t have bothered voting. Not having to pay tax on tips and overtime was very appealing to people doing it tough . I don’t believe the majority that voted for trump are just like him, I believe they were possibly a bit desperate and hopeful for change . Sure he may have conned them but what was the alternative ? Same shit different day or take a punt and see how the dice rolls . He will still have a target on his back which is probably never going away ."
Go to bed donny. Yr rambling AGAIN.
Left and right leanings aside..
I would love it if someone could give me one reason why anyone thinks he is fit to be the leader of the most powerful country on our planet.
Could the future of democratic politics be any more bleak.
He's not. But so wasn't the alternative.
Supafreak wrote:@AW , trump has promised a lot to people that possibly wouldn’t have bothered voting. Not having to pay tax on tips and overtime was very appealing to people doing it tough . I don’t believe the majority that voted for trump are just like him, I believe they were possibly a bit desperate and hopeful for change . Sure he may have conned them but what was the alternative ? Same shit different day or take a punt and see how the dice rolls . He will still have a target on his back which is probably never going away .
Supafreak. Hi mate.
Fair point.
What I can’t fathom, is a few days ago, at his rally wherever it was, he was sexist, racist and bagged immigrants. The latter who comprise a vast percentage of known labour in the so called land of ‘milk and honey’.
He’s been investigated for concealing documents etc. Nobody here in politics or the Prime Minister would get away with all those misdemeanours.
It’s more like a land of ‘similar ilk and money’.
Time for California to become a principality. It’s the world’s 5th largest economy.
Well, i suppose the world will be watching, can he fuck it up again or do better, time will tell.
Trump is like a fortune teller at the show, at the time , you believe everything they say, but over time you know it won’t come to fruition.
Let’s watch all the money donors , Musk and the like, queue up now for favourable economic and business concessions . You wait. AW
All I can say its a massive relief Trump has won, thank god, the pets of Springfield will be saved.... won't they?
No interest in politics or following them (don't need to, can sum it up in one word - corrupt) but how the fuck can they vote this guy in? How can that country be serious? It's surreal to hear what this guy vomits up and can still be considered sane, let alone be voted into Presidency.
Please help me understand!
zenagain wrote:He's not. But so wasn't the alternative.
Zen. Hi, hope your lot is well.
Why couldn’t America give another person a chance, he’d already made a fool of himself previously ?
Why haven’t US citizens for its entire history not been able to vote a woman into the position, I just don’t get it.
There is some kind of reason that exists , that’s for sure.
All the best. AW
TimTam wrote:quadzilla wrote:Island Bay wrote:I resent that thumbing your nose at other people. Fwiw, I moved from a city full of highly educated “be kind!” people, to a small town full of rednecks. Turns out the rednecks are the kinder ones. Salt of the earth.
hey sweetness, how those sour grapes tasting RIGHT NOW
GREAT SPEECH by Twumpy!.lol
I love being a redneck,fook all the degrees...
Lol. You certainly sound like a redneck. Pure clown.
Alfred- you think she lost just because she's a Woman?
OK here's another snippet from NYP feed, some intelligent analysis by Van Jones. Those of you wondering at the result and the type of people who voted for Trump, take heed:
"CNN’s Van Jones says ‘shock’ election results signal a ‘political realignment’
By Victor Nava
CNN political commentator Van Jones argued Wednesday that the results of the 2024 presidential election favoring former President Donald Trump constitute a “political realignment.”
“This is a shock,” Jones said of Trump’s all-but-certain victory over Vice President Kamala Harris.
“The Republican Party can claim to be a multiracial, working-class party ... that is a shock,” he added.
Trump, 78, made massive gains with Hispanic and Black voters this election – particularly among males and in swing states – compared to his 2020 totals, exit polls show. "
zenagain wrote:Alfred- you think she lost just because she's a Woman?
No I don’t.
I think she lost because most people are stooged by Trump ideologies.
I have a curious urge to want to know if for any reason that played any part in people’s view of what a political leader should be.
I’m interested.
I’m still curious as to why in my aforementioned statement regarding the country’s political history there’s been no female.
That’s probably more my question. Why no woman president to date ? AW
zenagain wrote:Southern, couldn't be calmer and couldn't really give two hoots either way but your comment smearing a few tens of millions of people caught me.
I don't think Trump supporters are fucked in the head nor Kamala supporters either. They all have their reasons. But I think Supa pretty much summed it up well below. Maybe those that have had shit lives for the last few years are tired of more shit. Any shit except the shit that they've been living. That doesn't make them fucked in the head in my eyes. Desperate maybe, but not stupid.
Edit: PS, the margins were huge. The swings against the dems in some 'safe' states were almost unprecedented.
"@AW , trump has promised a lot to people that possibly wouldn’t have bothered voting. Not having to pay tax on tips and overtime was very appealing to people doing it tough . I don’t believe the majority that voted for trump are just like him, I believe they were possibly a bit desperate and hopeful for change . Sure he may have conned them but what was the alternative ? Same shit different day or take a punt and see how the dice rolls . He will still have a target on his back which is probably never going away ."
Ahh ok. Let's call it the Rogan effect then.
Or Dana White?
When these are the kind of people that get you over the line, and you know what kind of supporter base follows them.....i say disaffected priveleged white males wiith a very strong emphasis on the sarcasm of 'disaffected'.
Anyway, hooray. In 12 months Indigenous Australians and women in general got put back in their box. WElcome back to the 1800s where a criminal gets reelected by the above mentioned sweeping stereotypes i mentioned.
I think there's alot to be sad about today. And fucken lash out about it i will as it is complacency that allowed this in the first place.
Shame they couldn't give Harris at least a chance. A smart, well spoken woman.
Imagine what SHE could have done.
We'll never know.
The definition of insanity is being played out by the American voting masses.
Nothing short. I'm happy to use a broad brush on them. They earnt it.
AlfredWallace wrote:Supafreak wrote:@AW , trump has promised a lot to people that possibly wouldn’t have bothered voting. Not having to pay tax on tips and overtime was very appealing to people doing it tough . I don’t believe the majority that voted for trump are just like him, I believe they were possibly a bit desperate and hopeful for change . Sure he may have conned them but what was the alternative ? Same shit different day or take a punt and see how the dice rolls . He will still have a target on his back which is probably never going away .
Supafreak. Hi mate.
Fair point.
What I can’t fathom, is a few days ago, at his rally wherever it was, he was sexist, racist and bagged immigrants. The latter who comprise a vast percentage of known labour in the so called land of ‘milk and honey’.He’s been investigated for concealing documents etc. Nobody here in politics or the Prime Minister would get away with all those misdemeanours.
It’s more like a land of ‘similar ilk and money’.
Time for California to become a principality. It’s the world’s 5th largest economy.
Well, i suppose the world will be watching, can he fuck it up again or do better, time will tell.
Trump is like a fortune teller at the show, at the time , you believe everything they say, but over time you know it won’t come to fruition.
Let’s watch all the money donors , Musk and the like, queue up now for favourable economic and business concessions . You wait. AW
So for the majority of Americans to brush all what trumps guilty and accused of , to brush all that aside tells me there’s a degree of desperation and frustration . The dems promising to fix what they have created wasn’t cutting the mustard and the risk of more of the same was greater than the unknown , that possibly could give them a better chance . Musk has his motives I’m sure and his obsession with getting to mars will be a smoother ride when he clears out sections of the government that regulate what he does . Just watching Trump’s victory speech when he said that Bobby had a free reign to do what he needed to do but leave the oil & gas alone Bobby . Trump really needs some help in this department from advisors but I doubt he would listen .
I focus wrote:All I can say its a massive relief Trump has won, thank god, the pets of Springfield will be saved.... won't they?
So funny. AW
No SR, I think your analysis misses the mark. Repubs seem to have won by nicking the Democrat voting base. Including the white males - but it's diverse now.
btw way i once said whatever Burleigh says bet against.
Last laughs on me twice now.
Well played sir.
I focus wrote:All I can say its a massive relief Trump has won, thank god, the pets of Springfield will be saved.... won't they?
touche well played
velocityjohnno wrote:No SR, I think your analysis misses the mark. Repubs seem to have won by nicking the Democrat voting base. Including the white males - but it's diverse now.
Sure.
Toxic males? (and their women)
Fixed it.
someone think of the kittens
We'll see more of who voted what in the coming days. I saw reported this election more female (53%) and more white (71%, last one was 67%) in a quick stat.
Nick Bone wrote:No interest in politics or following them (don't need to, can sum it up in one word - corrupt) but how the fuck can they vote this guy in? How can that country be serious? It's surreal to hear what this guy vomits up and can still be considered sane, let alone be voted into Presidency.
Please help me understand!
I thought Harris would get over the line ….. just . I underestimated the desperation and frustration I think .
Nick Bone wrote:No interest in politics or following them (don't need to, can sum it up in one word - corrupt) but how the fuck can they vote this guy in? How can that country be serious? It's surreal to hear what this guy vomits up and can still be considered sane, let alone be voted into Presidency.
Please help me understand!
Sorry Nick it's beyond comprehension. Anyone can see and hear the guy's an absolute idiot. I still think it has something of a cult type thing about it. Trump represents and highlights the common failings of the average redneck so they flock to him. Con-men have been conning the uneducated masses for time immemorial.
Nick Bone wrote:No interest in politics or following them (don't need to, can sum it up in one word - corrupt) but how the fuck can they vote this guy in? How can that country be serious? It's surreal to hear what this guy vomits up and can still be considered sane, let alone be voted into Presidency.
Please help me understand!
It's very simple, their life's were better under Trump's presidency than Joe & Harris.
I know it sounds crazy but a lot of people vote on issues rather than personality.
Nick Bone wrote:No interest in politics or following them (don't need to, can sum it up in one word - corrupt) but how the fuck can they vote this guy in? How can that country be serious? It's surreal to hear what this guy vomits up and can still be considered sane, let alone be voted into Presidency.
Please help me understand!
You gotta watch more than the snippets you see on abc mate.
There is a lot of Middle Ages woke fairies very upset on swellnet. Your views are the minority.
zenagain wrote:Alfred- you think she lost just because she's a Woman?
Considering how Trump talks about females and has, at best, an ambivalent regard for their body autonomy, not to mention J.D Vance's 1950's style views, I'd say that the majority of people that voted Republican also have issues regarding women, and as a result, a female president. You couldn't back those misogynist shitheels if you respected women. Nope.
At least we don't have to go through whiny Trumpbaby saying the election was stolen and the possibility of gun-toting rednecks once again storming insurrections. God saved him in his own words and VP Vance can now work with the Hitler he couldn't stand not so long ago.
burleigh wrote:There is a lot of Middle Ages woke fairies very upset on swellnet. Your views are the minority.
Just like trump. Total nutter.
Glad Trump won. For all the reasons you wont see on Aussie one-sided agenda funded mainstream media. If Kamala could string a sentence together and express herself to the people that was an original thought and not a word salad fed to her by her media trainers, then she might of had a chance. I was genuinely interested to listen to her for 3 hrs on Joe Rogan but she turned the invitation down - maybe she knew she would be exposed once her 15 min of canned word salad ran out.
Wonder what rating Nate Cohn’s needle would give 47s chances of making it to inauguration day alive? I reckon it would land on ‘Tossup’.
I reckon Biden is sitting there rambling on about how he would have kicked Trumps arse.
Doug might want to keep his head down at home for a couple of days too.
Deja vu.
geeez...
the identity politics 'lens' is getting a massive workout on here
she's a beast that will not die...
a beast that will not cede...
an inch
still...
put the goggles away fellas
'it's about the economy stupid'
class...
as per roker's post
Tump took out Pennsylvania.
Pops and Burleigh were correct pretty much a landslide.
this...
velocityjohnno wrote:OK here's another snippet from NYP feed, some intelligent analysis by Van Jones. Those of you wondering at the result and the type of people who voted for Trump, take heed:
"CNN’s Van Jones says ‘shock’ election results signal a ‘political realignment’
By Victor Nava
CNN political commentator Van Jones argued Wednesday that the results of the 2024 presidential election favoring former President Donald Trump constitute a “political realignment.”“This is a shock,” Jones said of Trump’s all-but-certain victory over Vice President Kamala Harris.
“The Republican Party can claim to be a multiracial, working-class party ... that is a shock,” he added.
Trump, 78, made massive gains with Hispanic and Black voters this election – particularly among males and in swing states – compared to his 2020 totals, exit polls show. "
BTW. Clearly the polls were out again in the same way they were in 2016 and 2020.
Hiccups wrote:zenagain wrote:Alfred- you think she lost just because she's a Woman?
Considering how Trump talks about females and has, at best, an ambivalent regard for their body autonomy, not to mention J.D Vance's 1950's style views, I'd say that the majority of people that voted Republican also have issues regarding women, and as a result, a female president. You couldn't back those misogynist shitheels if you respected women. Nope.
Wow, trump is not a misogynist. You will believe anything
Septic Tanks are going to Septic Tank