Botany Nerds Ahoy

Meris wrote:

Afternoon ,
Thanks for the reply, appreciated.
AW I’m roughly 800 mts from the beach.
Low lying, lots of paperbark banksia and large gums.
Reasonably protected from salt laden winds.
North west aspect.
Thanks again.

Meris Hi again. If the location is low light, I’d recommend ferns with large surface area leaves so as to have the capability to absorb what little light arrives upon them , this way some decent form of photosynthesis can take place.

Adiantum sp. Maiidenhairs, couple of different species.
Asplenium sp. Bird Nest Ferns, several species.
Doodia sp. as Greenjam recommended
Pellet falcata
Pteris umbroa
Todea barbara

Hope that helps. AW

Thanks AW and Greenjam;
I will have a look at those recommendations.
Swellnet forums, absolute goldmine of shared knowledge.

Meris wrote:

Thanks AW and Greenjam;
I will have a look at those recommendations.
Swellnet forums, absolute goldmine of shared knowledge.

Meris. Morning.

I’ve just noticed a typo in that plant list. it should read Pellea falcata.AW

@AW, thanks for the heads up on munching a handful of thyme mate. We’ve got a pretty good patch in our garden.
Definitely a bit of chest relief. Thanks again, top quality information sharing. Yew!

Have you tried munching on these flowers for some relief?

Let us know how they go Indo. It’s my lungs I’m trying to clear not my calendar.

indo-dreaming wrote:

Have you tried munching on these flowers for some relief?

IndoDreaming. Hi , hope ya well.

You must be joking.
You’re a plant person I’m sure you know all about the compounds contained within.
Proceed with caution
I once drank a Vegemite size glass of water that I’d boiled the leaves of a Brugmansia sp. flower and some foliage, off my head for a couple of hours.
In contrast a flat mate drank a 1.25 litre bottle of the same liquid and disappeared for two days and was found by a neighbour 10 blocks away crashed out on their front veranda exclaiming he couldn’t remember how he got there.

Despite being from the Deadly Nightshade family, Solanaceae, the flowers are outstanding as per your photo, white is also a common colour as well as a cream/feint green. AW

AW, look up datura flower - it's a stock photo ;)
.....as usual, eggspurt noinfo bringing nothing but typical head up coight.

https://m.

Jelly Flater wrote:

AW, look up datura flower - it's a stock photo ;)
.....as usual, eggspurt noinfo bringing nothing but typical head up coight.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JHpII57zZQQ

JellyFlater. Morning, hope ya doing fine.

I’m aware of both Datura sp. and Brugmansia sp.
Well, it shouldn’t been labelled Datura sp., that photo is a Brugmansia sp.

I see it all the time, Datura gets applied to all those photos, especially the large plants like the one above.
I actually pruned a customers large white one last week, she continually called it Datura, despite me correcting her often.
It’s also incorrectly labelled in books also.

Either, either, they are all toxic and or poisonous across both genera. Good stuff mate. AW

V interesting @AW ;)
...pendulous versus upright (jimsonweed)

- one labelled "angel's trumpets"

https://laidbackgardener.blog/2016/09/03/brugmansia-or-datura/

& https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datura

....the other labelled "devil's trumpets" (yet pic below labelled as brugmansia)

https://www.fs.usda.gov/wildflowers/ethnobotany/Mind_and_Spirit/images/s...

- best for soggy to stick with Alfred's suggestion ;)
...if not most of the thyme, all of the thyme

https://m.

Jelly Flater wrote:

- best for soggy to stick with Alfred's suggestion ;)
...if not most of the thyme, all of the thyme

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PJzz3dBJXoo&pp=ygUNdHJ1bXBldCBmdW5ueQ%3D%3D

JellyFlater. Thanks for confirming my confirming of those two different Solanaceous plants.
Just got an extra step in my morning gait, love testing the memory bank of the old grey matter. I’m up and about after that, yew.

I love your humour and posts (we know someone else who doesn’t!!!!!)

Where’s the Cindy Lauper jingle….thyme after thyme !!!

Basesix better be careful and worried, your poetic writing is bringing up the rear
(not his rear, the rear) you may become the new Leonard Cohen of Swellnet.

Beautiful morning here on the SC, finally it’s offshore with not even a zephyr.
No swell, but it’s coming, hanging for a wave. Good to chat as always.AW

- hope that swell arrives and hoping u get a few AW ;)
...& keep seeking out the green room (just not the septic tank variety)

"the answer my friend is blowin in the wind" ;);)

https://m.

AlfredWallace wrote:

indo-dreaming wrote:

Have you tried munching on these flowers for some relief?

IndoDreaming. Hi , hope ya well.

You must be joking.
You’re a plant person I’m sure you know all about the compounds contained within.
Proceed with caution
I once drank a Vegemite size glass of water that I’d boiled the leaves of a Brugmansia sp. flower and some foliage, off my head for a couple of hours.
In contrast a flat mate drank a 1.25 litre bottle of the same liquid and disappeared for two days and was found by a neighbour 10 blocks away crashed out on their front veranda exclaiming he couldn’t remember how he got there.

Despite being from the Deadly Nightshade family, Solanaceae, the flowers are outstanding as per your photo, white is also a common colour as well as a cream/feint green. AW

Yes it was a joke, im not a fan of Soggydog

@AW, this is a great thread, not much of a botanist myself but this thread is full of great info, most of it emanating from your good self. Question about the Datura you mentioned, is that the plant that has supposed mystical powers? I remember reading Carlos Castenada books when I was young that I think he wrote about taking Datura, and also vaguely remember a Sopranos episode where Tony and some girl took it and were tripping in the desert. Maybe it was something else they were on. I used to have a sort of mate that was a full on poly drug user, took anything and everything, ended up a meth junkie, and I'm sure he showed up one day with Datura trying to get me to try it.
Anyway, not that I'm interested in consuming it, but was wondering if the plant you talked about, and said was poisonous is the same one, and any excuse to chat with @AW is a good one.
Waves this week finally, was worried things were going all La Nina again on us, May is usually the month you can guarantee. Hope you get some and it's not too busy crowd wise, reckon there's a lot of surfers down here rearranging calendars to clear the end of the week, it been a bit grim of late, nice days but no swell really.
As for @Indo, who doesn't like soggydog? What's he done?
I like @soggydog!

adam12 wrote:

@AW, this is a great thread, not much of a botanist myself but this thread is full of great info, most of it emanating from your good self. Question about the Datura you mentioned, is that the plant that has supposed mystical powers? I remember reading Carlos Castenada books when I was young that I think he wrote about taking Datura, and also vaguely remember a Sopranos episode where Tony and some girl took it and were tripping in the desert. Maybe it was something else they were on. I used to have a sort of mate that was a full on poly drug user, took anything and everything, ended up a meth junkie, and I'm sure he showed up one day with Datura trying to get me to try it.
Anyway, not that I'm interested in consuming it, but was wondering if the plant you talked about, and said was poisonous is the same one, and any excuse to chat with @AW is a good one.
Waves this week finally, was worried things were going all La Nina again on us, May is usually the month you can guarantee. Hope you get some and it's not too busy crowd wise, reckon there's a lot of surfers down here rearranging calendars to clear the end of the week, it been a bit grim of late, nice days but no swell really.
As for @Indo, who doesn't like soggydog? What's he done?
I like @soggydog!

Adam12. Hi mate, you’re always missed. Love your honest threads.
I know there’s individuals who’d suggest we are reciprocating filling each others pockets with urine, but who gives a fuck.
I don’t posture to anyone. Say it as it is.

You’re correct, Solanaceae plant family is one of many that contain alkaloidal compounds that can be poisonous and deadly, depending upon how much you consume.
Side affects, delirium, hallucinations, fever, tachycardia, cardiac arrest and psychotic behaviours, and many more I’d suggest.
It’s been used for centuries in all kinds of rituals.

The deadly one Datura stramonium, which is a common weed, particularly in pastoral areas of Oz is the killer plant, ingest any of that, ta, ta.

Nonetheless, Brugmansia sp and Datura sp., used in amenity horticultural, they are wonderful plants, tough as nails, not recommended for kids kindergarten playgrounds for obvious reasons, Asexually produced (clones) strike easily and grow quickly.

I think Indos been having a few SoggyBiscuits with his morning coffee.
I like SoggyDogs contributions also, fair and thoughtful.

Waves will come said the big Duke Kahanamoku. Well, I hope he’s right, we’d been spoilt for awhile, then someone threw the toys out of the cot and it ceased completely. Good to chat and hope all is with you and at home. AW

Ha ha, thanks gentlemen. And to think I held back on suggesting that Indo should self administer via forceful suppository.

Hope you’re getting waves.

AW

Your thoroughly thorough description of this Psychological Bent plant group , was always going to pique Adam 12’s curiosity .

Luckily we only had money for alcohol , then found a few mushrooms.

Apparently top surfers used to surf on acid ,

All another dimension, I am working on this One atm .

Adam 12 , has always flown between different dimensions !

Especially when highlighting Asexually Produced Clones !

AlfredWallace wrote:

adam12 wrote:

@AW, this is a great thread, not much of a botanist myself but this thread is full of great info, most of it emanating from your good self. Question about the Datura you mentioned, is that the plant that has supposed mystical powers? I remember reading Carlos Castenada books when I was young that I think he wrote about taking Datura, and also vaguely remember a Sopranos episode where Tony and some girl took it and were tripping in the desert. Maybe it was something else they were on. I used to have a sort of mate that was a full on poly drug user, took anything and everything, ended up a meth junkie, and I'm sure he showed up one day with Datura trying to get me to try it.
Anyway, not that I'm interested in consuming it, but was wondering if the plant you talked about, and said was poisonous is the same one, and any excuse to chat with @AW is a good one.
Waves this week finally, was worried things were going all La Nina again on us, May is usually the month you can guarantee. Hope you get some and it's not too busy crowd wise, reckon there's a lot of surfers down here rearranging calendars to clear the end of the week, it been a bit grim of late, nice days but no swell really.
As for @Indo, who doesn't like soggydog? What's he done?
I like @soggydog!

Adam12. Hi mate, you’re always missed. Love your honest threads.
I know there’s individuals who’d suggest we are reciprocating filling each others pockets with urine, but who gives a fuck.
I don’t posture to anyone. Say it as it is.

You’re correct, Solanaceae plant family is one of many that contain alkaloidal compounds that can be poisonous and deadly, depending upon how much you consume.
Side affects, delirium, hallucinations, fever, tachycardia, cardiac arrest and psychotic behaviours, and many more I’d suggest.
It’s been used for centuries in all kinds of rituals.

The deadly one Datura stramonium, which is a common weed, particularly in pastoral areas of Oz is the killer plant, ingest any of that, ta, ta.

Nonetheless, Brugmansia sp and Datura sp., used in amenity horticultural, they are wonderful plants, tough as nails, not recommended for kids kindergarten playgrounds for obvious reasons, Asexually produced (clones) strike easily and grow quickly.

I think Indos been having a few SoggyBiscuits with his morning coffee.
I like SoggyDogs contributions also, fair and thoughtful.

Waves will come said the big Duke Kahanamoku. Well, I hope he’s right, we’d been spoilt for awhile, then someone threw the toys out of the cot and it ceased completely. Good to chat and hope all is with you and at home. AW

@AW, thanks for that, you're a font of knowledge.
And a bit of Duke wisdom to boot!
Yep, all is good here, been working like a navvie since before Easter, bankin' nut. Looking forward to a break and some waves, hopefully that starts this week!
Chat again soon.

Pop Down wrote:

AW

Your thoroughly thorough description of this Psychological Bent plant group , was always going to pique Adam 12’s curiosity .

Luckily we only had money for alcohol , then found a few mushrooms.

Apparently top surfers used to surf on acid ,

All another dimension, I am working on this One atm .

Adam 12 , has always flown between different dimensions !

Especially when highlighting Asexually Produced Clones !

PopDown. So glad you’re back, I miss your punctual, punctuality and punctuation of the written verse.

Glad you had a great holiday and time with your daughters.

You suggested Adam12 has always flown between dimensions.

Was it the 5th Dimension, The Age of Aquarius. Remember it well, as a young whipper snapper, my mother pumped that song a few times a day, I’d suggest she was right out there.

I’ll do a plant/fungi/drugs thing soon, all the drugs we take or took and the plants/fungi responsible for them, it’s very interesting to learn where certain chemical compounds come from. You’d be very surprised.

Glad you got in the water in Hawaii, then you deliberately flew back to drink plonk in the Barossa.
I’m very intrigued to hear more about your ‘Mormon experience’.
All the best, Go Dees, I’m mean Pies. AW

@AW "You suggested Adam12 has always flown between dimensions.

Was it the 5th Dimension, The Age of Aquarius. Remember it well, as a young whipper snapper, my mother pumped that song a few times a day, I’d suggest she was right out there."

@PopDown's been on the Maui Wowee on the recent Hawaii trip I reckon just quietly AW.
The other day he said I spent a lot of time in Church in the past, spat my coffee at that, I fkn what??
Then he's got me moving through other dimensions. I did once in about 1980 on gold top dried mushrooms, but that was it for me.
As for the Age of Aquarius, I was there for that Fifth Dimension back then. Hair the Musical. Epic. My Mum took us when I was a kid still, very controversial Musical at the time, the actors all did the last scene nude. My brother and I sat there bug eyed.
There was that era when Musicals got "groovy" and used to pull big tour crowds. Jesus Christ Superstar, Godspell, Hair. I remember it well, the "Age of Aquarius" used to get blasted out by my Mum too in those days.
Hard to explain those days to a millenial or even Gen Xers, or how to explain something like this clip and song and performance from that era, another of those musicals, featuring one of the greatest talents God ever put breath in and a song that also used to be on full rotation at parties my parents used to throw, you may remember this one too @AW, seems so strange now. Another dimension for sure.

adam12 wrote:

@AW "You suggested Adam12 has always flown between dimensions.

Was it the 5th Dimension, The Age of Aquarius. Remember it well, as a young whipper snapper, my mother pumped that song a few times a day, I’d suggest she was right out there."

@PopDown's been on the Maui Wowee on the recent Hawaii trip I reckon just quietly AW.
The other day he said I spent a lot of time in Church in the past, spat my coffee at that, I fkn what??
Then he's got me moving through other dimensions. I did once in about 1980 on gold top dried mushrooms, but that was it for me.
As for the Age of Aquarius, I was there for that Fifth Dimension back then. Hair the Musical. Epic. My Mum took us when I was a kid still, very controversial Musical at the time, the actors all did the last scene nude. My brother and I sat there bug eyed.
There was that era when Musicals got "groovy" and used to pull big tour crowds. Jesus Christ Superstar, Godspell, Hair. I remember it well, the "Age of Aquarius" used to get blasted out by my Mum too in those days.
Hard to explain those days to a millenial or even Gen Xers, or how to explain something like this clip and song and performance from that era, another of those musicals, featuring one of the greatest talents God ever put breath in and a song that also used to be on full rotation at parties my parents used to throw, you may remember this one too @AW, seems so strange now. Another dimension for sure.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKSA049xkiU

Adam12. Yeah mate, definitely some residual cannabinoids stored in his body fat somewhere in that Dutch built frame of his.

Good history there. I’m a fraction younger than you, but hey, it was all the same era.
Our neighbours were ‘on it’ all the time, the genre you described is imprinted in my brain, I remember all those songs and musicals.

A little later on, that era morphed slightly to produce people like Sammy Davis Junior.

Early 20’s, I worked in plant nurseries, one particular owner who was a great guy, mentor and an amazing businessman once told me, at the time, mid 80’s that Sammy Davis Jnr was the world’s best value for money entertainer, period.

He remarked that SDJ all on one evening, sat on a stool, dart in the hand, some drink, tell hilarious jokes, incredible true stories, minutes later, he’d be up and boogying, break into a song, simply oscillated between all realms for 3-4 hours.
I reckon for the two years I worked there, he must have remarked to me a dozen times, if ya got the money, you must see SDJ before you die.

And he was, right, SDJ, was ‘a true entertainer’

If anyone can, ‘The Candy Man ‘ can. Good stuff.

Edit, I think Pops is on the Devils Lettuce more often than not, just look at those ramblings. I mean, come on !!!! AW

JF would be my pick on here for that lol ;)

;)

https://m.

Jelly Flater wrote:

;)

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1hpzRJCZ0oE

JellyFlater. Hi mate.

Great song, visions of a coastal town anywhere in Oz, early 80’s bit of a sad story, the dude is out looking to score because the friends are coming around. The missus is real uneasy.
We’ve all been there, done that.
Thanks again, little tune to eat dinner by with the dog staring me out. AW

Hey Adam.......... Godspell, boy that takes me back. I really liked it as a little kid. Tried it again a few years ago. It didn't age well. Just speaking for me..

Pretty sure most would know this plant

is that what my son and I used to call a callington phonecian AW? we tried but failed to get that encyclopaedic knowledge.. ikea?
(stoked you're getting some, swells been getting here too)

just being playful obviously, AW, always a fan of this thread getting up, this weather has given me the happy-yips, not used to it. Lucky I have bore-water options though, fuck knows how only-rain-waterers are getting on.

basesix wrote:

just being playful obviously, AW, always a fan of this thread getting up, this weather has given me the happy-yips, not used to it. Lucky I have bore-water options though, fuck knows how only-rain-waterers are getting on.

Basesix. It’s as dry as, I agree. I’ll leave the naming until a few more have a crack.
Waves on SC today, sublime, totally exhausted, early to bed, backing up again tomorrow. All good. AW

Hakea not IKEA base boy!

H. laurina AW? We have a beautiful specimen but it is growing on such an angle it is pulling down a fence so will have to go. Sad days

blackers wrote:

Hakea not IKEA base boy!

haha, yup, it's nice to have a thread you must be a bit sensible in.
"blackers, it was a joke. Apologies, it clearly fell flat."

Like a flat pack?

y'fence?

blackers wrote:

H. laurina AW? We have a beautiful specimen but it is growing on such an angle it is pulling down a fence so will have to go. Sad days

Blackers. Hi mate. Spot on ID

Hakea laurina Pincushion Hakea. WA native Proteaceae family.
Specialised root system ( cluster or Proteoid roots evolved so as to be able to extract scant amounts of nutrient out of sandy soils or straight sand. These roots produce a citric type acid that can breakdown the trapped amount of organic matter on each grain of sand ).
The specific name laurina refers to the leaf that looks like ‘laurels’ , for example the once widespread Laurisilva forests of Madeira in the Atlantic Ocean off the coast of North Africa. AW

basesix wrote:

y'fence?

Very clever. Too sharp for me in my current post covid bronchial infection haze. The fence is still upright and upstanding, if just a little skewed, like most on this here thread.

(sorry to hear that re health.. sucks. cheers for your last chance recommend btw, it has influenced where I'll stay)

Cheers, all good, just over it. Hope you score.

basesix wrote:

is that what my son and I used to call a callington phonecian AW? we tried but failed to get that encyclopaedic knowledge.. ikea?
(stoked you're getting some, swells been getting here too)

B6. I’ve just worked out where Callington is. Nice area in your state. AW

might be a Beach Almond (Terminalia catappa) seeds. Down Noosaville area hey?

seeds wrote:

From today. No idea myself?

Barringtonia asiatica. Fish Poison Tree. Lecythidaceae family.

Distribution, from India, Indian Ocean, Africa, Madagascar and across the tropics of Australia to the Pacific Ocean and SE Asian countries.
Pretty impressive tree. AW

GreenJam wrote:

might be a Beach Almond (Terminalia catappa) seeds. Down Noosaville area hey?

Greenjam. Hi mate. Terminalia cattapa has very small flowers, agree, the foliage of Barringtonia looks very similar. AW

seeds wrote:

Port Douglas guys.
Fish Poison Tree. Any idea how it came to have that common name?

Are you taking the piss?

Hasn't everyone seen those docco's where they make a paste up from nuts or leaves or whatever spread it around in creeks or lagoons and fish go kinda paralysed or real slow and they catch them.

seeds wrote:

Port Douglas guys.
Fish Poison Tree. Any idea how it came to have that common name?

Seeds. Hi mate. Thanks for the photos, made identification quite easy.
Looks like you are further north up our continent.

Seeds and fruit are crushed, they contain poisonous saponins. Made into a paste. AW

seeds wrote:

Yes but that’s Blackbean trees but you’re probably right.

Seeds . Also, in your photo with the van, just above left of the stop sign, there’s a young Travellers Palm ( not a true palm, its actually a member of the Strelitziaceae family, the one that contains the Birds of Paradise plants) originating in Madagascar.
Ravenala madagascariensis.

Ah, the tropics, love it. AW