2022 Election
@IB,
A pragmatist that systematically turned one side of the country on the other, used public money for his own ends, changed legislation to legally protect his ministers, was proud of his coal stunt, gormlessly maligned women, and despite every opportunity continually showed himself up as a man-baby unfit to lead. He did all this out in the open and ultimately the Liberal faithful could stand it no more.
Now the Labor party are back in their traditional role as a corrective force. I doubt their tenure will last long, and not just because reform is harder and more dangerous than business-as-usual, but because this election was largely a vote against one man and not a wholesale rejection of Liberal values.
Island Bay wrote:Dear Australia
I hope your vote for change turns out to bring good things. And that your Labour Govt does not go on a complete ideology bender and fucks up your country. Ours has.
is it too early to bitch about how albo reckons he's not woke, yet he's not even sworn in, and his victory speech was all woke and shit?
game on...
stunet wrote:@IB,
A pragmatist that systematically turned one side of the country on the other, used public money for his own ends, changed legislation to legally protect his ministers, gormlessly maligned women, and despite every opportunity continually showed himself up as a man-baby unfit to lead. He did all this out in the open and ultimately the Liberal faithful could stand it no more.
Now the Labor party are back in their traditional role as a corrective force. I doubt their tenure will last long, and not just because reform is harder and more dangerous than business-as-usual, but because this election was largely a vote against one man and not a wholesale rejection of Liberal values.
Stu, it was definitely a rejection of Morrison but it seemed like concern over climate change and also housing affordability were a big part of the mix.
Hopefully this will enable things to have longer legs into the future.
stunet wrote:@IB,
A pragmatist that systematically turned one side of the country on the other, used public money for his own ends, changed legislation to legally protect his ministers, was proud of his coal stunt, gormlessly maligned women, and despite every opportunity continually showed himself up as a man-baby unfit to lead. He did all this out in the open and ultimately the Liberal faithful could stand it no more.
Now the Labor party are back in their traditional role as a corrective force. I doubt their tenure will last long, and not just because reform is harder and more dangerous than business-as-usual, but because this election was largely a vote against one man and not a wholesale rejection of Liberal values.
I know, Stu. The man's no saint, that's for sure.
What I was trying to get at was that I hope - for Aussie's sake - that Labour turns out to be a more old school centre left govt, and not go full gonzo like ours has.
thermalben wrote:Seems Dutton will probably become the new LNP leader. Obviously, Frydenberg was assumed next in line, but that opportunity is gone. Anyone know if Simon Birmingham will/won't put up his hand? Speaks really well, seems to be a nice bloke. Surely Dutton will only continue to be a divisive figure.
He’s a senator @Ben therefore no chance unless moves to the Reps somehow
blackers wrote:Roadkill wrote:Albo…the saviour. Australia is not stupid enough to let that clown and his party govern. Still feeling pretty confident we won’t be subjected to an ALP win.
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Yep, I own that.
Democracy in action.
Yep, every misstep will be magnified 100 fold and every gesture to the less well off will be taken as woke, but if nothing else this election is an entreaty to where the country stands right now; what matters to people.
Hopefully Albanese gets a fair hearing, and equally, I hope he takes his cues from what happened overnight.
Island Bay, I think we’re in agreement with that. The wacko lefties will be the where it all comes unstuck
Ah of course.
Gotta say, watching things unfold on the ABC last night felt like I'd tuned into an AFL grand final. So many complex moving parts, with rapid developments happening all over the shop, I couldn't keep my eyes off the screen. I didn't intend to watch much of it, but ended staying up until about 11pm.
stunet wrote:Yep, every misstep will be magnified 100 fold and every gesture to the less well off will be taken as woke, but if nothing else this election is an entreaty to where the country stands right now; what matters to people.
Hopefully Albanese gets a fair hearing, and equally, I hope he takes his cues from what happened overnight.
An elected government that got 30% of the primary vote have exactly an resounding endorsement or mandate?
simsurf wrote:stunet wrote:Yep, every misstep will be magnified 100 fold and every gesture to the less well off will be taken as woke, but if nothing else this election is an entreaty to where the country stands right now; what matters to people.
Hopefully Albanese gets a fair hearing, and equally, I hope he takes his cues from what happened overnight.
An elected government that got 30% of the primary vote have exactly an resounding endorsement or mandate?
An alarming stat, hey? Just another reason Albanese will have to pay close attention to last night. If he only speaks to the Labor faithful he'll be out the door in no time.
Island Bay wrote:Dear Australia
I hope your vote for change turns out to bring good things. And that your Labour Govt does not go on a complete ideology bender and fucks up your country. Ours has.
How so IB? I haven’t heard much that Jacinta has done that didn’t seem quite reasonable and good policy. What ‘ideological bender’ has she been on?
That’s one of my political fantasies - to overhaul the voting system in the lower house.
Island Bay wrote:Dear Australia
I hope your vote for change turns out to bring good things. And that your Labour Govt does not go on a complete ideology bender and fucks up your country. Ours has.
Yep…
AndyM wrote:A sincere thumbs up to all those who’ve engaged in good faith on these threads.
Dunno if it’s made any wider difference but at least I think it’s enabled the clarification of a few points and theories, and it’s been a place for a vent :)
Times two. Most of the crew are pretty switched on too. If I heard about some late breaking news it was often already brought up here.
Congratulations to Labor on winning the election. They have a good platform. One credit I must give to Albo is that he always empathised realistic policies that can be implemented. His vision to make child care universal and parental leave extended to 26 weeks over two terms is highly appreciated. It would be a huge win for many people in this country. Other policies also look good and realistic.
We saw in this campaign that there are complete lunatics out there, proposing insane things to get attention (like big Clive and co). This is maybe why Labor’s primary is low, people want something ’big’. But there is no need for big straight away, there’s plenty of realistic, straight forward policies that can take the country forward. And I’m really looking towards seeing these policies come to life.
NZ Labor :
“In the lead-up to the September 2017 election, Labour announced an excellent housing platform that promised to address both supply and demand distortions via negative gearing reform, banning foreign buyers of existing homes, tighter capital gains taxes, removal of urban growth boundaries, plus bond financing for infrastructure.
Labour also promised to reduce immigration by around a third, which would have helped to relieve chronic housing and infrastructure pressures (especially around Auckland), as well as promised to build 100,000 public houses over a decade (named ‘KiwiBuild’).
Sadly, on all almost key areas, Labour has either abandoned these reforms or failed miserably, proving that it is not serious about addressing housing affordability.
For instance, Labour’s promised ‘KiwiBuild’ program to build 100,000 public houses has descended into a farce, with the government abandoning its building target and instead announcing a bunch of demand-side measures that will inflate prices.
Labour abandoned capital gains tax reforms and has back-slid on its promise to abolish Auckland’s urban growth boundary and reform infrastructure financing.
Labour has also abandoned its promised immigration cuts, instead opening the visa sluice gates.
Accordingly, New Zealand house prices have surged to an all-time high and the home ownership rate has cratered to a 70-year low.
It seems politicians only care about housing affordability when they are in Opposition. But once they gain office, they maintain the status quo and act in the best interests of existing homeowners and the ‘growth lobby’, most notably the property industry.“
I hope a royal commission into media happens as something like 500,000 signatures were gathered supporting one . Be interesting to see if a few ABC reporters move over to sky , Fran Kelly must be a candidate. With ICAC hopefully starting up before the end of the year , some of the LNP are going to be kept busy for a few years.
Well there you go that's a clear book end on almost 30 years of prosperity (about 19 years under LNP), the end of a golden era, anyone who thinks things are going to get better in the future are nuts, only guarantee is things will get more woke.
We now have our very own Biden, well until one of his own party members rolls him.
Anyway it's time to focus on the positives the silver linings
1. It's not Shorten and it didn't happen before the pandemic, thank god for that we could have been in real shit, its just a pity many dont appreciate how well we have done during Covid economically and from a health perspective.
2. To get into government Labor had to get rid of their radical policy from last election and become Liberal lite, so it could be much worse.
3. LNP's historic record will be kept intact low interest rates and low unemployment, instead of being ruined by a future of interest rate rises. (and then lose next election)
4. Inflation will increase, interest rates will rise and there will be extremely hard times ahead, this is all going to work against Labor being re-elected in the future, its highly likely they will last 2 terms 3 max (even one if things go real pear shaped) and if you think LNP dont have the leaders ready take over, jus remember Abbott the most unlikeable PM got voted in after Labor's last mess.
5. Wage rises: I think a big reason for the win is Labor talking this up, wages will rise naturally or pushed, but barely anyone is ever going to satisfied, they will always believe they should have more, basically Labor are promising something that people will never be satisfied with and will possibly work against them next election.
6. Just like the media hounded Scomo when fires and floods trying to get gotcha moments and nick picked anything and everything, the same will happen to Albo, and he wont be able to handle it the same way Scomo did, it's going to be fun to watch.
7. China relations will improve, Albo will be kissing their arse like Krudd did, i guess in a strange way that's a positive, it will be sad to watch but it will keep us kind of safer.
Anyway I'm not even going to read the comments in here and try my best to take a break from political thread and let the dust settle, and I'm sure there will be lots of gloating and out there predictions on what this means for LNP.
But i just read that despite the hammering LNP have got Labor's primary vote is still down on 2019 election.
And lets get this in perspective the LNP run has been nine years something that has only been achieved twice by both parties in our history (and once by another coalition party way back) as I've said many times the longer you are in power the harder it is to hold onto power, a loss after nine years is very different to a loss after one or two terms, so dont get too excited, a few years ago Labor looked un electable, things can change very fast in politics.
LNP have also been in power for about 19 of the last 25+ years thats not a dying party, and while looking at stats since 1950 over 70 years Labor have only been in power about 22 years.
Basically enjoy it while it last because historically it's not something that happens that often.
Stats for Andy can be found here https://primeministers.moadoph.gov.au/prime-ministers
Wow Indo, the stink of bitterness permeates right through that post of yours.
Doesn’t really matter which party is in but after a couple terms of government they need to be voted out to break up the institutionalised corruption that sets in within the government and the upper levels of the public service.
Indo’s post was very predictable and repetitive of what’s written in all his posts on this thread. The reality is the LNP is well and truly broken now thanks mainly due to Scott Morrison.
Wong’s speech was like she won..she will knife Albo for her own benefit.
ALP takes office with 3 in every 10 Australians voting for them.
That’s getting to Steven Bradbury levels of accomplishment.
DudeSweetDudeSweet wrote:ALP takes office with 3 in every 10 Australians voting for them.
That’s getting to Steven Bradbury levels of accomplishment.
Supporters are trying to ignore this fact.
Here you go indo , you can reminisce about the good times . https://www.mdavis.xyz/govlist/
I’m not sure if you’ve noticed that the ALP doesn’t actually have that many supporters on here. About in line with wider society at 30%.
It’d be a big mistake to imagine that everyone who voted ALP is a true supporter. I wonder what total support they can claim after deducting those uncaring/ uninvolved punters who just hated Scummo , people who recognise the brand without any knowledge of the politics and those who fall for the fraudulent claim that a vote for an independent is a wasted vote?
2 in 10?
1 in 10?
Amazing 70% of people don’t vote for someone and they become the leaders.
Where is Big Clive? Hahaha
The libs didn't even bother turning up where I voted , just Labor and the greens handing out how to vote cards. I'm still off Labor for raising the age pension age to 67, and they better not try to include the family home in the asset test as they would love to do, but I'm looking forward to double digit interest rates once the rot sets in. Also hope they don't make it compulsory to be LGBTQI. Cheers.
Indo’s post has made my day already.
burleigh wrote:Amazing 70% of people don’t vote for someone and they become the leaders.
Where is Big Clive? Hahaha
95% didn't vote for him burls, so he is probably scratching his arse while he gets his accountants to claim the tax write off's for his expenses.
How good is it not to be America…we vote, we change..the loser makes a speech conceding they lost and then the winner steps up…we know everything was above board and we accept the outcome.
True that Roady. Also great to see independents stepping up to keep them honest. Two party systems, as in the US, don't offer real choice.
Agree. Imagine if we had an entire Prime Ministership undermined and sabotaged by “resistance” and relentless, though ludicrous claims that they were a Russian agent!
Congratulations to Albo and Labor, plus the independents and Greens that got up.
Hope Albo can bring the country together and start to get rid of the toxicity left by LNP.
Hopefully first on the agenda is an ICAC and Royal Commission into Media ownership in Australia.
Go early go hard and clean out the corruption.....
If we get a good ICAC to reset the political culture it’ll be huge for Australia.
DudeSweetDudeSweet wrote:If we get a good ICAC to reset the political culture it’ll be huge for Australia.
It is needed and I reckon if Labor don't bring one in they will suffer politically. Hopefully big push for one by Greens and Independents.
Or relentless drivel about a laptop belonging to one of the PM'S kids!
Any ICAC will be toothless…TOR will be so narrow nothing will happen. Neither of the 2 majors have any real desiree for it.
Pretty sure Albo recently promised ICAC by Xmas. Here's hoping it comes to fruition.
1 thing we know will continue…is the rorting of travel and non taxable allowance.
Someone’s not happyGood point. The Labor primary vote is down in part because many traditional labor supporters strategised and voted for independents in seats labor couldn’t win. And anecdotally many were very comfortable doing it. https://t.co/Y7HF4XP9km
— Barrie Cassidy (@barriecassidy) May 21, 2022
Roadkill wrote:Wong’s speech was like she won..she will knife Albo for her own benefit.
You realise Albo is in the house of reps, and Wong is in the senate, and can NOT be PM right?
See, it's this sort of cretinous comments from Coalition supporters that turned floating voters towards teale and Labor
Supafreak wrote:https://twitter.com/barriecassidy/status/1528158361518080001?s=21&t=IoH-... Someone’s not happy
Or is this wilful ignorance? There are lessons to be learnt, I don’t recommend ignoring them.
indo-dreaming wrote:Well there you go that's a clear book end on almost 30 years of prosperity (about 19 years under LNP), the end of a golden era, anyone who thinks things are going to get better in the future are nuts, only guarantee is things will get more woke.
We now have our very own Biden, well until one of his own party members rolls him.
Anyway it's time to focus on the positives the silver linings
1. It's not Shorten and it didn't happen before the pandemic, thank god for that we could have been in real shit, its just a pity many dont appreciate how well we have done during Covid economically and from a health perspective.
2. To get into government Labor had to get rid of their radical policy from last election and become Liberal lite, so it could be much worse.
3. LNP's historic record will be kept intact low interest rates and low unemployment, instead of being ruined by a future of interest rate rises. (and then lose next election)
4. Inflation will increase, interest rates will rise and there will be extremely hard times ahead, this is all going to work against Labor being re-elected in the future, its highly likely they will last 2 terms 3 max (even one if things go real pear shaped) and if you think LNP dont have the leaders ready take over, jus remember Abbott the most unlikeable PM got voted in after Labor's last mess.
5. Wage rises: I think a big reason for the win is Labor talking this up, wages will rise naturally or pushed, but barely anyone is ever going to satisfied, they will always believe they should have more, basically Labor are promising something that people will never be satisfied with and will possibly work against them next election.
6. Just like the media hounded Scomo when fires and floods trying to get gotcha moments and nick picked anything and everything, the same will happen to Albo, and he wont be able to handle it the same way Scomo did, it's going to be fun to watch.
7. China relations will improve, Albo will be kissing their arse like Krudd did, i guess in a strange way that's a positive, it will be sad to watch but it will keep us kind of safer.
Anyway I'm not even going to read the comments in here and try my best to take a break from political thread and let the dust settle, and I'm sure there will be lots of gloating and out there predictions on what this means for LNP.
But i just read that despite the hammering LNP have got Labor's primary vote is still down on 2019 election.
And lets get this in perspective the LNP run has been nine years something that has only been achieved twice by both parties in our history (and once by another coalition party way back) as I've said many times the longer you are in power the harder it is to hold onto power, a loss after nine years is very different to a loss after one or two terms, so dont get too excited, a few years ago Labor looked un electable, things can change very fast in politics.
LNP have also been in power for about 19 of the last 25+ years thats not a dying party, and while looking at stats since 1950 over 70 years Labor have only been in power about 22 years.
Basically enjoy it while it last because historically it's not something that happens that often.
Stats for Andy can be found here https://primeministers.moadoph.gov.au/prime-ministers
30 years of prosperity? For whom? Homelessness has NEVER been higher in Australia. 400,000 women over 50 are on the verge of joining the homeless ranks.
Whether it's OECD, world education rankings, manufacturing, broadband internet, corruption policing, Home ownership, wages, Australia has slid DRAMATICALLY!
BTW, Indo. Suck it up, buttercup
Sheepdog wrote:Roadkill wrote:Wong’s speech was like she won..she will knife Albo for her own benefit.
You realise Albo is in the house of reps, and Wong is in the senate, and can NOT be PM right?
See, it's this sort of cretinous comments from Coalition supporters that turned floating voters towards teale and Labor
Gee…you added a lot there.
Ps teal…not teale. Cretin back at ya.
GuySmiley wrote:thermalben wrote:Seems Dutton will probably become the new LNP leader. Obviously, Frydenberg was assumed next in line, but that opportunity is gone. Anyone know if Simon Birmingham will/won't put up his hand? Speaks really well, seems to be a nice bloke. Surely Dutton will only continue to be a divisive figure.
He’s a senator @Ben therefore no chance unless moves to the Reps somehow
Yeah, Simon seems like a good, balanced figure. Senator can actually become a PM, there are no restrictions but it’s not done out of convention. I don’t see this changing anytime soon. And yeah, Dutton would be a terrible choice.
https://peo.gov.au/understand-our-parliament/your-questions-on-notice/qu...
DudeSweetDudeSweet wrote:ALP takes office with 3 in every 10 Australians voting for them.
That’s getting to Steven Bradbury levels of accomplishment.
Don't think this is a particularly fair measure and ignores a lot of nuance.
Labor didn't get the first or even second spot on my vote (sustainable Australia and local independent), but they did get 3rd. I preferred the policies of these independents, hence gave them 1 & 2 on my vote, but I knew they weren't going to get in and as such, given the realistic choice of a Liberal or Labor government, I support a Labor government. Just because they didn't get 1st on my vote does not mean I don't support them and I'm sure I'm not the only one like this.
Preferential voting hey.
Interesting to consider what mandate they have, I would suggest, given the new range of independents, the mandates are pretty much stronger action on climate change and a federal ICAC. Both of which would do wonders for Australia domestically and internationally.
Cathy McGowan will be yoda from here on. It’s only a matter of weeks before the Emperor gets the knives out for her in his daily attacks on the fake left green teal “party” independents if it’s a minority government. I sure hope it is. Reckon the independents will be ready given the Gillard experience. The independent movement is only going to get stronger. It wasn’t just Scomo or icac or housing or climate change. It’s bigger than that. It’s the shallowness of party politics. The complete lack of progress on the issues that Matter. The lack of vision. The refusal to answer a question at all. The lies, government babble, the revolving door of jobs for the boys from government to donors and back again, the professional politician candidates. The party machine only operates to keep the party in power. It’s frozen their ability to move on effective policy, talk honestly and clearly to the nation and the country is worse for it. Looking forward to some tough national conversations, negotiation and seeing real shit get done. I can only hope.
Roadkill wrote:Sheepdog wrote:Roadkill wrote:Wong’s speech was like she won..she will knife Albo for her own benefit.
You realise Albo is in the house of reps, and Wong is in the senate, and can NOT be PM right?
See, it's this sort of cretinous comments from Coalition supporters that turned floating voters towards teale and LaborGee…you added a lot there.
Ps teal…not teale. Cretin back at ya.
"Any ICAC will be toothless…TOR will be so narrow nothing will happen. Neither of the 2 majors have any real desiree for it."
Ps desire...not desiree.
Haha, but in all seriousness RK, agreed on your earlier comment about the beauty of Australian democracy and our right to move on in good faith and generally good will for the incoming (and long time opposing) government.
Generally, you'd hope that everyday Australians, deep down, wants governments to succeed and excel for society and not fail simply for ideological reasons or to confirm suspicions of inadequacy based on historical performance. Looking at Indo and any rusted on voter of any political persuasion.
Personally, I've never been so engaged in an election. Watched it all the way through to 12am and went to bed happy with the result. Hopefully some of these independents prove to be the panacea for political curruption and can bridge some of the division and dissolve the toxicity to levels tolerated in an everyday work place. Workplace standards and individual conduct in parliament need to be the benchmark imo.
Peter Dutton is a wild choice if they choose him. Not sure how he differentiates himself from Scomos legacy. Angus Taylor may be the first cab off the rank in terms of ICAC. Dan Tehan...yawn. Birmingham subliminally putting his case forward on the ABC over the past 12 hours.
Agree with Supa on a royal commission into media ownership. But not sure what that would actually bring about. What legislation do we have which can dissolve corporate ownership. Anti collusion/market monopoly? Im not sure. Be interesting to see how that plays out as no doubt Rudd will be pushing loudly for that.
Glad it's all said and done!
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