That’s weird, that’s queer, that’s crazy, that deserves a long hard look.

Jeeze ... Crackheads , pro union thugs and a lot of hysterical yelling in accents that no way had any relation to the ANZAC,s they are hiding behind .
Surely got to question your choice to throw in with that mob whatever you think about the politics?

flollo wrote:

Yeah but because it was real rukshan many will discredit the video. The ‘truth’ is being framed on the character of the individual rather than the information being provided. It’s a shitty characteristic of the time we live in.

ha ha so true and right on queue

Roadkill wrote:

I still laugh at the stupidity that elevated real rukshan to some sort of unbiased truth teller.

Live streaming is the most accurate form of journalism possible it like the complete opposite of a 30 second news piece that is almost always sensationalised and misleading

Live streaming cant be edited as goes out live and uncut, only possible way you can mislead or change the narrative in anyway is to not film something, but in most case's that would becomes obvious because the camera must turn away from the action or will still show how others react.

Anyway the video posted is condensed footage but its still letting the camera run and showing as much as possible, you can see how things unfolded and see certain aspects happen, its not based on opinion but more just on documentation.

Live streaming is as easily abused as any other ‘journalism’. You’ve noted it yourself - condensed footage. I’ve seen videos taken at events I been at that just do not correlate to mine, or my friends’, experiences.

Just look for the thickest part of the crowd, the rowdiest, whatever and immerse yourself in that. Or vice versa. Nothing to see here!

Roadkill wrote:

indo-dreaming wrote:

flollo wrote:

Yeah but because it was real rukshan many will discredit the video. The ‘truth’ is being framed on the character of the individual rather than the information being provided. It’s a shitty characteristic of the time we live in.

ha ha so true and right on queue

Roadkill wrote:

I still laugh at the stupidity that elevated real rukshan to some sort of unbiased truth teller.

Live streaming is the most accurate form of journalism possible it like the complete opposite of a 30 second news piece that is almost always sensationalised and misleading

Live streaming cant be edited as goes out live and uncut, only possible way you can mislead or change the narrative in anyway is to not film something, but in most case's that would becomes obvious because the camera must turn away from the action or will still show how others react.

Anyway the video posted is condensed footage but its still letting the camera run and showing as much as possible, you can see how things unfolded and see certain aspects happen, its not based on opinion but more just on documentation.

Hahaha…are you for real?

Did you watch any of his live feeds? Or just what news.com showed you?

etarip wrote:

Live streaming is as easily abused as any other ‘journalism’. You’ve noted it yourself - condensed footage. I’ve seen videos taken at events I been at that just do not correlate to mine, or my friends’, experiences.

Just look for the thickest part of the crowd, the rowdiest, whatever and immerse yourself in that. Or vice versa. Nothing to see here!

Its true to some extent and even the experience or perspective from person to person there in real time is going to vary to some degree but live streaming is still the best we have without actually being there and its far superior to other media style reports be it a short news video or even worse a news paper article often pretty much an opinion piece with a click bait photo.

I think you can also make judgements on the footage you are viewing, for example if you are getting a good mix of angles and pulled back footage thats a good sign.

Ruskin is really good at this for instance his videos that showed protesters marching the streets like below, they helped you gain a much better picture of the crowd type, crowd number's and vibe as we can see from this Covid freedom rally the video crowd was very diverse

While a news article from that same time could have painted things completely differently and i remember at the time some did, and then you would look at the footage and go, hang on a minute the media saying its all just middle aged right wing men or something is completely false.

first thing I notice Indo is the soundtracks of these edited 'livestreams'.. the choices are made to garner sympathy in the case of the war memorial, or to be bubbly optimism in this one. Try the above clip with this, I reckon it's a balanced choice:

basesix wrote:

first thing I notice Indo is the soundtracks of these edited 'livestreams'.. the choices are made to garner sympathy in the case of the war memorial, or to be bubbly optimism in this one. Try the above clip with this, I reckon it's a balanced choice:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKaDiRiqyNQ

But what about the actual video with the real humans in it?

i would probably like to see it, i found indo's posts interesting, i didn't watch any news through that period.

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What about these automated phone reports? Where do you draw a line? I didn’t even know it was a thing.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-05-17/iphone-crash-detection-feature-le...

Looking back it’s alarming the lengths the government went to not to mention the overall cost of quarantine and paying peoples wages they missed out on even if testing negative . It could have been avoided with a test developed at stanford university in 2020 but for some reason fauci and co didn’t want to roll out such a test ……..https://twitter.com/TheChiefNerd/status/1659903294746009604/mediaViewer?currentTweet=1659903294746009604&currentTweetUser=TheChiefNerd …………https://davidzweig.substack.com/p/the-most-important-test-youve-never

It's alarming that the high majority of the population did what they were told without questioning anything.

It finally gave people like Stok & roadkill a "hero status".
Getting told they are good little boys for being obedient.

Omifuggingawd

AndyM wrote:

Omifuggingawd

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Reality is the authority.

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flollo wrote:

This one’s for burleigh

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CrhVkLqJ-9i/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

Crazy when you think back and we are all wearing these silly mask and worrying about hand sanitiser it got pretty over the top there for a while, especially in Victoria.

God it must have sucked for people that had to wear one at work all day, it sucked having to wear one the whole flight to Indo

It's crazy that some people still wear them.

BTW. I still havent got Covid

indo-dreaming wrote:

flollo wrote:

This one’s for burleigh

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CrhVkLqJ-9i/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

It's crazy that some people still wear them.

Yeah, this is quite crazy. I’m literally in Melbourne CBD now and I can still see quite a few people wearing them. Although, most people are enjoying life. Restaurants are packed and some even have dozens of people waiting outside. I can’t imagine Melbourne being locked down. Melbourne without restaurants, bars etc is not Melbourne. It’s hell.

At this point, a mask signifies mental illness.

And if bath towels are bacteria incubators imagine masks?:
"The bacterial count found on towels used for three days soared to 87 million and as high as 94 million on towels used for one week without being washed."
one can imagine all those moist masks worn for too long, touched too much, worn into toilets when doing a poop gathering atomised poop particles upon flushing (as was so often the case) were absolute shockers for our broader health.

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/shocking-truth-unwashed-towels-rival...

Think "bacteria in the millions" next time you see a mask not fresh from the packet.

Draw your own conclusions on the health expert advice we received.

Michael Adam wrote:

At this point, a mask signifies mental illness.

I wouldn't go that far, but when i see someone with one now, i either think...

hmmm I wonder if they are just over the top paranoid and no doubt annoying as all FK, or if they have some medical condition that might make getting Covid actually quite serious.

Seems like mostly old people masked up around here, which seems fair enough.

They were handy for when people got convicted in court and came outside to see TV cameras that'd publicly identify them.

Reckon masks might endure for a while in those circumstances.

Roadkill wrote:

freeride76 wrote:

Seems like mostly old people masked up around here, which seems fair enough.

The mask wearers we get at work are all old with underlying health conditions doing everything they can to minimise their exposure to covid.

If it makes them feel a bit safer and gets them out of the house then good luck to them.

Does your mum wear one at a cafe?

Still wearing at N95 at work

Is it ok to wear masks while sanding stuff at work? Seems to keep the dust out of my mouth and nose really well , hope I'm not bed wetting but James Hardie products have a bad rep?

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Fine dust of all sorts is very bad for lungs from work, DIY projects or hobbies
- asbestos of course, silica, bird fanciers lung, triggered by exposure to avian proteins present in the dry dust of droppings or feathers of a variety of birds, concrete dust, farmer’s lung- an allergy to the dust from mouldy crops etc. talcum powder - even campfire smoke. Mostly the issue is cumulative.

In those cases masks and / or ventilation and avoidance is important.

I knew a guy who worked spraying asbestos from a hose onto a coal fired power station wall in QLD - no protection, in shorts only. Bosses from H/O never visited the plant much! Never on spray days. Another guy in the airforce used to have to get inside F111 jet fuel tanks to clean them out (chip and sand off residue). No choice, follow orders laddy - was dizzy for days afterwards. Both died young. The good old days.

More recently, an electrical apprentice from the UK I met spent the first two years of his apprenticeship grinding out ducts in concrete in high rise buildings all day - not learning much about the actual trade (cheap labour) and finished each shift looking like a ghost covered in concrete dust. It still goes on. Tradie reality with the wrong boss as TBB has told previously.

It appears with all the information slowly being released and accessed on how our governments dealt with the pandemic we were either, at worst blatantly lied to and coerced, or at best handled with complete incompetence and panic based reactive decision making.
I’ve already seen scaremongering articles being published about the next inevitable impending pandemic.
I wonder if our reaction as a community will be as complicit and trusting next time around.

Still wearing N95 for hospital cancer ward appointments.
Fine and safe outside so lots of outside stuff including surfing.
No longer going out or spending in economy on the cafe/restaurant/cinema/pubs clubs stuff as immune suppressed. I don't miss it tbh, the income that would have been spent is buying income producing assets. Lots of interstate travel by car and surfing different places, no more little voice in the head "You should work and give back to society," kind of thing. So my skills are not out there helping others, but I'm free.

also

https://t.co/DBIqDNQa7E

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I still see a lot of people dry sanding antifoul on boat hulls. I don't care what mask you use, that shit will find its way in somehow.

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just chuck a mask on occasionally for fun when you go to the shops, and give an oldy a wink. sets you apart from the scared weird people who suffer from mask-terror.
anyone asks why you're wearing it, tell em it's cause they stink.
#dont be defined

basesix wrote:

just chuck a mask on occasionally for fun when you go to the shops, and give an oldy a wink. sets you apart from the scared weird people who suffer from mask-terror.
anyone asks why you're wearing it, tell em it's cause they stink.
#dont be defined

Ha ha ha. Nice work basesix. I’m wearing a mask again, on rare occasions, because;

- there’s a shitload of flu out there;
- there’s a shitload of Covid around too.

I’m waiting for someone to accost me for wearing a mask, or tell me that they don’t work. My plan is to pull it down and say “oh no, it’s not to protect me, it’s to protect you. I’ve currently got flu, Covid, tuberculosis and diphtheria, so I thought the mask was the least I could do.”

And then cough all over them.

Hasn’t happened yet.

crg wrote:

It appears with all the information slowly being released and accessed on how our governments dealt with the pandemic we were either, at worst blatantly lied to and coerced, or at best handled with complete incompetence and panic based reactive decision making.
I’ve already seen scaremongering articles being published about the next inevitable impending pandemic.
I wonder if our reaction as a community will be as complicit and trusting next time around.

Whether we like it or not people in this country are extremely conservative when it comes to safety. I lived in other places and I deal with different people internationally and there is nothing like this in other countries. You can sell anything in the name of safety here.

frog wrote:

Fine dust of all sorts is very bad for lungs from work, DIY projects or hobbies
- asbestos of course, silica, bird fanciers lung, triggered by exposure to avian proteins present in the dry dust of droppings or feathers of a variety of birds, concrete dust, farmer’s lung- an allergy to the dust from mouldy crops etc. talcum powder - even campfire smoke. Mostly the issue is cumulative.

In those cases masks and / or ventilation and avoidance is important.

I knew a guy who worked spraying asbestos from a hose onto a coal fired power station wall in QLD - no protection, in shorts only. Bosses from H/O never visited the plant much! Never on spray days. Another guy in the airforce used to have to get inside F111 jet fuel tanks to clean them out (chip and sand off residue). No choice, follow orders laddy - was dizzy for days afterwards. Both died young. The good old days.

More recently, an electrical apprentice from the UK I met spent the first two years of his apprenticeship grinding out ducts in concrete in high rise buildings all day - not learning much about the actual trade (cheap labour) and finished each shift looking like a ghost covered in concrete dust. It still goes on. Tradie reality with the wrong boss as TBB has told previously.

Yeah, masks are definitely required in many situations. It's not all about covid.

Recently back from Japan. Seems like the majority of people still wear masks in crowded areas and on public transport. We did the same, seemed to be the respectful thing to do.

As Frog states, prolonged dust exposure of all types is potentially dangerous to your health.
Asbestosis, pulmonary fibrosis etc, cause scarring to the lung parenchyma (the thin layer of cells than line the lung alveoli). The alveoli are the tiny air sacs within the lungs which enable gas exchange. That is, O2 in to the pulmonary vasculature which is then transported via blood to your tissues and CO2 out (which is then exhaled) all facilitated via a concentration gradient.
The scarring caused by dust exposure significantly impedes gas exchange with associated increased work of breathing, decreased exercise tolerance and high susceptiblity to chest infections.
This cohort of patients generally present to hospital in the winter months (but not exclusively) with superimposed respiratory infections exhibiting severe shortness of breath, acute desaturation and anxiety +++++. Their lung conditions are progressive and irreversible.

Interestingly, as with smokers, these patients have a different mechanism to mediate respiratory drive (ie the urge/need to breath). It is no longer facilitated by increasing CO2 levels (as with healthy lungs)in the CSF(cerebral spinal fluid), but by decreasing O2 levels and via different chemoreceptors.
Without going into too much detail the low oxygen causes the patient to breathe not rising CO2.

So protect yourself from dust exposure and wear appropriate PPE.

Also for all you anti-maskers zealots:
1. Masks in the community were ALWAYS about protecting other people from you, not vice versa.
2. Still have 30 COVID patients taking up acute beds in the hospital where I work
3. If you're so sure that masks don't work, go to your local hospital, into a COVID ward take your mask off and take a couple of big deep breaths...

san Guine wrote:

As Frog states, prolonged dust exposure of all types is potentially dangerous to your health.
Asbestosis, pulmonary fibrosis etc, cause scarring to the lung parenchyma (the thin layer of cells than line the lung alveoli). The alveoli are the tiny air sacs within the lungs which enable gas exchange. That is, O2 in to the pulmonary vasculature which is then transported via blood to your tissues and CO2 out (which is then exhaled) all facilitated via a concentration gradient.
The scarring caused by dust exposure significantly impedes gas exchange with associated increased work of breathing, decreased exercise tolerance and high susceptiblity to chest infections.
This cohort of patients generally present to hospital in the winter months (but not exclusively) with superimposed respiratory infections exhibiting severe shortness of breath, acute desaturation and anxiety +++++. Their lung conditions are progressive and irreversible.

Interestingly, as with smokers, these patients have a different mechanism to mediate respiratory drive (ie the urge/need to breath). It is no longer facilitated by increasing CO2 levels (as with healthy lungs)in the CSF(cerebral spinal fluid), but by decreasing O2 levels and via different chemoreceptors.
Without going into too much detail the low oxygen causes the patient to breathe not rising CO2.

So protect yourself from dust exposure and wear appropriate PPE.

Also for all you anti-maskers zealots:
1. Masks in the community were ALWAYS about protecting other people from you, not vice versa.
2. Still have 30 COVID patients taking up acute beds in the hospital where I work
3. If you're so sure that masks don't work, go to your local hospital, into a COVID ward take your mask off and take a couple of big deep breaths...

I would have absolutely no issue walking into a covid ward without a mask.

It's settled.

Burleigh is a Hero.

The masks we were told to use (N95 etc) are designed and worn to maintain an aseptic environment during surgery. To keep germs out of open wounds. They do not protect the wearer against dust, smoke, any virus.

And ease up on the ad hominem crap.