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Blowin you say that Dominello‘s bells palsy is a result of a Covid vaccination

Then you say that you posted that news article about Dominello to show how it resolutely avoided mentioning the link to the vaccine.

You’ve lost me mate.

brutus wrote:

...but you got vaccinated because of the ???????????????

Im betting Blowin got vaccinated because he knows when borders open up he won't be going to Indo unvaccinated, and good on him, as long as he got vaccinated thats all that matters, im glad he isn't being pigheaded and stubborn saying im not get vaccinated and missing out on Indo.

blowin you lied when you said covid had a 99.98% survival rate. When people called you out for that BS you changed the figure to 99.58% That was still wrong, so then you shifted the goal posts saying it was for 2021 only.
And here's another point. Deaths lag behind new infections, and they go up as hospitals get overwhelmed. You've used a figure pre-this big wave which will no doubt prove to be hopelessly misleading.
Just own your lies mate. Remember when you said 50% of Australians were born overseas, and when that was proved to be complete bullshit, you still couldn't admit it.
Fair dinkum blowin, it's pathological with you mate.

I’m not sure what you think “percentage “ means, bloke? It doesn’t change with volume.

The overall rate of survival is 99.58%. A fact you seem to find so disconcerting that you need to pretend isn’t true. Why is that? Why the desperate need to paint the situation as worse than it is? If you need to lie to justify your fear than I suggest that fear is your problem, not a virus you have a 99.58% chance of surviving.

The survival rate of 99.98% was for people in my age bracket (40-49 yrs) and you are correct, it’s not accurate. Survival rate for an Australian male my age is really 99.985% ( 9 deaths/ 6198 cases ).

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/covid-19-will-remain-a-fire-foug...

From the article:

“Last year, roughly one in every 31 patients with COVID-19 died, with 909 deaths from 28,428 cases or a case fatality rate of 3.2 per cent. This year to September 15, about one in every 234 patients died, with 229 deaths from 53,780 cases or a case fatality rate of 0.42 per cent.

That rate of deaths is comparable to the worst influenza season in the past few years. From January 1 to September 16, 2017, about one in every 210 flu patients died. There were 959 deaths from 201,446 confirmed cases of the flu or a case fatality rate of 0.48 per cent over the period. The five-year average fatality rate for the flu from January 1 to September 16, 2015 to 2019 was 0.34 per cent.“

AndyM wrote:

Blowin you say that Dominello‘s bells palsy is a result of a Covid vaccination

Then you say that you posted that news article about Dominello to show how it resolutely avoided mentioning the link to the vaccine.

You’ve lost me mate.

All you need to do is dramatically lower your standards of evidence and it'll make perfect sense.

Blowin wrote:

“Last year, roughly one in every 31 patients with COVID-19 died, with 909 deaths from 28,428 cases or a case fatality rate of 3.2 per cent. This year to September 15, about one in every 234 patients died, with 229 deaths from 53,780 cases or a case fatality rate of 0.42 per cent.

That rate of deaths is comparable to the worst influenza season in the past few years. From January 1 to September 16, 2017, about one in every 210 flu patients died. There were 959 deaths from 201,446 confirmed cases of the flu or a case fatality rate of 0.48 per cent over the period. The five-year average fatality rate for the flu from January 1 to September 16, 2015 to 2019 was 0.34 per cent.“

Last years data is to be arbitrarily excluded as it does not support the argument.

JQ wrote:

Blowin wrote:

“Last year, roughly one in every 31 patients with COVID-19 died, with 909 deaths from 28,428 cases or a case fatality rate of 3.2 per cent. This year to September 15, about one in every 234 patients died, with 229 deaths from 53,780 cases or a case fatality rate of 0.42 per cent.

That rate of deaths is comparable to the worst influenza season in the past few years. From January 1 to September 16, 2017, about one in every 210 flu patients died. There were 959 deaths from 201,446 confirmed cases of the flu or a case fatality rate of 0.48 per cent over the period. The five-year average fatality rate for the flu from January 1 to September 16, 2015 to 2019 was 0.34 per cent.“

Last years data is to be arbitrarily excluded as it does not support the argument.

It’s not included because it’s no longer relevant. Responses and treatments evolve. Would you prefer they didn’t so that you could have higher death rates to indulge your doom porn fetish? It appears that way.

It’s not even my call. Contact the medical authorities if you have any disputes to their reckoning.

No one seems keen to acknowledge this line in their desperate lunge to depict Covid as Earth shatteringly horrific….

“That rate of deaths is comparable to the worst influenza season in the past few years. “

This is the same virus, for which Vic Local is vaccinated, yet he still claims to fear being seated next to an unvaccinated person on a plane. Note : Unvaccinated does not mean infectious or carrying the virus. Vic Local is scared of being seated on a plane next to someone who doesn’t specifically have a virus which has carries virtually the same chance of death as influenza.

Brutus wants people who don’t have the vaccine for the same-death-rate-as-influenza virus gaoled if they venture out in public.

And people think I’m the crank! Lolol

Ha, I'm not the one who's been wailing about cover ups and fear campaigns chief. You are the one alleging some sort of global level deliberate deception.

If you are still proposing that Covid is an existential threat to society, the likes of which we’ve never seen and one which justifies the hysteria then you literally are supporting a global level of deliberate deception.

Blowin wrote:

Brutus….How did I lie about you and your past?

I said you were gaoled for selling a “ dangerous “ substance. I think that you were a victim of a terrible injustice. No one should be gaoled for selling a plant. Then I said that when it happened to you there was a chorus of fascist s who cheered your downfall. They took away awards you had earnt and proclaimed that you’d gotten what you deserved. Those fascists supported the imprisonment of a person on the basis of a ridiculous, arbitrary law which has no scientific backing.

I said that you reminded me of those fascists with your support of a law which would have an uninfected, healthy and otherwise innocent person gaoled beverage they didn’t have a certificate which showed they’d had a “vaccine “ which prevents neither infection, transmission, illness or death.

Blowin....I was convicted of possession .....not as you say....

Blowin wrote:

If you are still proposing that Covid is an existential threat to society, the likes of which we’ve never seen and one which justifies the hysteria then you literally are supporting a global level of deliberate deception.

That's your strawman though isn't it. It's what you would like people to be saying, not what they actually are saying.

brutus wrote:

Blowin wrote:

Brutus….How did I lie about you and your past?

I said you were gaoled for selling a “ dangerous “ substance. I think that you were a victim of a terrible injustice. No one should be gaoled for selling a plant. Then I said that when it happened to you there was a chorus of fascist s who cheered your downfall. They took away awards you had earnt and proclaimed that you’d gotten what you deserved. Those fascists supported the imprisonment of a person on the basis of a ridiculous, arbitrary law which has no scientific backing.

I said that you reminded me of those fascists with your support of a law which would have an uninfected, healthy and otherwise innocent person gaoled beverage they didn’t have a certificate which showed they’d had a “vaccine “ which prevents neither infection, transmission, illness or death.

Blowin....I was convicted of possession .....not as you say....

That makes the situation even worse. I completely sympathise with your plight and think that those who gaoled you and those who supported it are the criminals. That’s my point.

I’m not sure how you transitioned from one of the innocent victims to another finger pointing fascist intent on imprisoning any otherwise innocent people because they broke a law with no scientific or moral justification.

JQ wrote:

Blowin wrote:

If you are still proposing that Covid is an existential threat to society, the likes of which we’ve never seen and one which justifies the hysteria then you literally are supporting a global level of deliberate deception.

That's your strawman though isn't it. It's what you would like people to be saying, not what they actually are saying.

It’s not my strawman. It’s the simple extrapolation of a scientific conclusion reached by the Australian authority on the subject.

“That rate of deaths is comparable to the worst influenza season in the past few years. “ This single statement of fact contradicts every hyperbolic horror headline you want to perpetuate.

The rate of deaths is not predicated on volume of deaths. It is the simple survival rate when a human is exposed to the virus. To misrepresent the virus as anything else is deliberate deception.

Blowin wrote:

If you are still proposing that Covid is an existential threat to society, the likes of which we’ve never seen and one which justifies the hysteria then you literally are supporting a global level of deliberate deception.

Brutus wants people who don’t have the vaccine for the same-death-rate-as-influenza virus gaoled if they venture out in public.

And people think I’m the crank! Lolol

Hey Cranky Blowin......your claims about Influenza and covid 's death rates.......not true Blowin.....try John Hopkins....https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavir...

"Coronavirus vs. Flu Deaths
COVID-19: Current COVID-19 deaths*

Flu: The World Health Organization estimates that 290,000 to 650,000 people die of flu-related causes every year worldwide.

The COVID-19 situation is changing rapidly. Since this disease is caused by a new virus, the vast majority of people do not yet have immunity to it. Doctors and scientists are working to estimate the mortality rate of COVID-19, but at present, it is thought to be substantially higher (possibly 10 times or more) than that of most strains of the flu.

*This information comes from the Coronavirus COVID-19 Global Cases map developed by the Johns Hopkins Center for Systems Science and Engineering.

So Blowin it looks like Covid has more than 10 times the death rate as the flu...also in the article , people with the flu do not have taste and smell problems or long Covid....
"

https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/coronavirus-excess-deaths-tracker

Some interesting graphs detailing the deviation from normal. You can quite clearly see the different versus a flu season.

Yeah but what would those egg heads at Johns Hopkins know anyway? It's not like they have credibility like ex-furniture salesmen, celebrity chefs, retired footballers, Pauling Hanson, and Clive Palmer.

Sorry Brutus, just channeling my inner blowin.

https://ourworldindata.org/mortality-risk-covid

Another interesting data source comparing the case fatality rate of Covid over time, and specifically against the normal flu virus. Seasonal flu is 0.1 - 0.2%. Latest data for Covid varies from 0.65% to 2.81%, significantly higher than that of the seasonal flu. Looking about 6 - 10x worse than seasonal flu.

Vic Local wrote:

Yeah but what would those egg heads at Johns Hopkins know anyway? It's not like they have credibility like ex-furniture salesmen, celebrity chefs, retired footballers, Pauling Hanson, and Clive Palmer.

Sorry Brutus, just channeling my inner blowin.

I guess the people at Johns Hopkins must be in on the great deception.

JQ, there's literally no amount of rock solid evidence you could post that would change blowin's tiny little mind.
He possesses cult-style idiocy.
"Covid is no worse than the flu" is just another hill this bloke is prepared to die on.
Oh and "great deception", that's the ultimate refuge of the anti-science idiots.

Vic Local wrote:

Yeah but what would those egg heads at Johns Hopkins know anyway? It's not like they have credibility like ex-furniture salesmen, celebrity chefs, retired footballers, Pauling Hanson, and Clive Palmer.

Sorry Brutus, just channeling my inner blowin.

I didn’t quote any of those people. I quoted the Australian authority on the issue describing the literal rates as established in Australia after tens of thousands of cases. I didn’t make the comparison to the flu, I merely relayed a direct quote from the Australian authority on the subject. I’ve provided the link so you can read the direct quote and rate yourselves but no one seems keen to want to accept the facts. Why is that?

Vic Local, probably best if you stop making stuff up and lying.

Blowin wrote:

Vic Local wrote:

Yeah but what would those egg heads at Johns Hopkins know anyway? It's not like they have credibility like ex-furniture salesmen, celebrity chefs, retired footballers, Pauling Hanson, and Clive Palmer.

Sorry Brutus, just channeling my inner blowin.

I didn’t quote any of those people. I quoted the Australian authority on the issue describing the literal rates as established in Australia after tens of thousands of cases.

Vic Local, probably best if you stop making stuff up and lying.

So which Australian Authority ....??????

Blowin wrote:

goofyfoot wrote:

overthefalls wrote:

Hey Goofy, most people I know have experienced unpleasant side effects from the vaccines. I had my second jab last Tuesday afternoon and felt fine, but the next day I felt like I’d been hit by a truck: numb, tingling sensations on the right side of my skull, full body aches, shivering and dizziness. Back to normal the following day. Despite losing a day of my life, I don’t regret my decision to get vaccinated.

Yeah I know people who’ve felt short lasting side effects too ott, but I also know a lot of people who felt nothing afterwards.
My surprise was that people only know of negative reactions to other people having it.

I know plenty of people who’ve had it and suffered only minor ill effects including myself. My lady had first AZ on Friday and so far she is just really tired ( fingers crossed , touch wood) . I also know many ( perhaps 40%) who were ruined for a couple/ few days but came good. A know and know of several confirmed who have suffered terrible reactions including a death.

Facts , Goofy.

So now it’s A death? The other day it was your mothers uncle who died and the woman that lives above you had a brother who died. Or am I wrong? Tell me you didn't say this?

Including a death…now seems very minimal considering past posts.

I have observed that a lot people dismiss the serious nature of COVID-19 because their blinkered perspective focuses solely on mortality rates, which effectively ignores the bigger picture. Although the following article is a year old, the points it makes are still valid and might help COVID-19 cynics broaden their understanding:
https://theconversation.com/now-everyones-a-statistician-heres-what-armc...

The woman who lives above me is my mother in law. Her brother died. It’s not something to make light of or to be used as a bargaining chip in your silly attempt to invalidate what I’ve got to say. I will excuse you because it may be confusing but please remember these are real issues that have happened to people around me. Please stop trying to insinuate I’m lying as it is very offensive.

I’m not talking about a tube I rode or a re-entry, I’m talking about the death of someone important to those around me. At least try and imagine how a respectful person would act in this situation and mirror that. You are lucky that I didn’t personally know the man as I’d be far less forgiving if you acted in this manner if it’d been my uncle.

"Vic Local, probably best if you stop making stuff up and lying."
I was taking the piss out of you blowin.
You deserve to be mocked blowin. You like to pretend that Covid is no worse than the flu by grabbing figures from really bad flu years and ignoring a huge public and medical response to treat and minimise the impact covid.
Anyone can see what the delta variant did in India, and people can see what it's doing in the unvaccinated areas in the USA? Anyone with any brains knows what would happen in Australia without social distancing and vaccinations.
Your ability to lie about the statistics and then completely misread the reasons behind tham is truly weird.
The reason why Australia has relatively low fatality rates with Covid is because we have advanced medical care that so far hasn't been overrun. We have reasonable vaccination rates, and high compliance with social distancing recommendations. IT'S NOT BECAUSE COVID IS JUST LIKE THE FLU YOU COMPLETE MORON.

Roadkill wrote:

Blowin wrote:

goofyfoot wrote:

overthefalls wrote:

Hey Goofy, most people I know have experienced unpleasant side effects from the vaccines. I had my second jab last Tuesday afternoon and felt fine, but the next day I felt like I’d been hit by a truck: numb, tingling sensations on the right side of my skull, full body aches, shivering and dizziness. Back to normal the following day. Despite losing a day of my life, I don’t regret my decision to get vaccinated.

Yeah I know people who’ve felt short lasting side effects too ott, but I also know a lot of people who felt nothing afterwards.
My surprise was that people only know of negative reactions to other people having it.

I know plenty of people who’ve had it and suffered only minor ill effects including myself. My lady had first AZ on Friday and so far she is just really tired ( fingers crossed , touch wood) . I also know many ( perhaps 40%) who were ruined for a couple/ few days but came good. A know and know of several confirmed who have suffered terrible reactions including a death.

Facts , Goofy.

So now it’s A death? The other day it was your mothers uncle who died and the woman that lives above you had a brother who died. Or am I wrong? Tell me you didn't say this?

Including a death…now seems very minimal considering past posts.

No it was your missus uncle (my error)….and then the woman who lives above you brother. ..

Roadkill wrote:

Blowin wrote:

goofyfoot wrote:

overthefalls wrote:

Hey Goofy, most people I know have experienced unpleasant side effects from the vaccines. I had my second jab last Tuesday afternoon and felt fine, but the next day I felt like I’d been hit by a truck: numb, tingling sensations on the right side of my skull, full body aches, shivering and dizziness. Back to normal the following day. Despite losing a day of my life, I don’t regret my decision to get vaccinated.

Yeah I know people who’ve felt short lasting side effects too ott, but I also know a lot of people who felt nothing afterwards.
My surprise was that people only know of negative reactions to other people having it.

I know plenty of people who’ve had it and suffered only minor ill effects including myself. My lady had first AZ on Friday and so far she is just really tired ( fingers crossed , touch wood) . I also know many ( perhaps 40%) who were ruined for a couple/ few days but came good. A know and know of several confirmed who have suffered terrible reactions including a death.

Facts , Goofy.

So now it’s A death? The other day it was your mothers uncle who died and the woman that lives above you had a brother who died. Or am I wrong? Tell me you didn't say this?

Including a death…now seems very minimal considering past posts.

No it was your missus uncle (my error)….and then the woman who lives above you brother. ..

"Please stop trying to insinuate I’m lying as it is very offensive."
Have you ever read "The boy who cried wolf" blowin?
People assume that you are lying based on your past posts. This is what happens when you shred your own credibility.

overthefalls wrote:

I have observed that a lot people dismiss the serious nature of COVID-19 because their blinkered perspective focuses solely on mortality rates, which effectively ignores the bigger picture. Although the following article is a year old, the points it makes are still valid and might help COVID-19 cynics broaden their understanding:
https://theconversation.com/now-everyones-a-statistician-heres-what-armc...

You realise that the statistics you are trying to delegitimise with your link come from actual medical statisticians right?

I’d ask why there is constant attempts to invalidate the claim that the rates of death for Covid in Australia are equivalent to a bad year of flu, but I already know why that is. It’s because you have all been told so many lies by so many institutions that when the lies are finally corrected by a verified and trusted source you struggle to accept the new reality.

I’m afraid that’s something you people will have to deal with yourselves. It has no bearing on the situation.

Blowin wrote:

The woman who lives above me is my mother in law. Her brother died. It’s not something to make light of or to be used as a bargaining chip in your silly attempt to invalidate what I’ve got to say. I will excuse you because it may be confusing but please remember these are real issues that have happened to people around me. Please stop trying to insinuate I’m lying as it is very offensive.

I’m not talking about a tube I rode or a re-entry, I’m talking about the death of someone important to those around me. At least try and imagine how a respectful person would act in this situation and mirror that. You are lucky that I didn’t personally know the man as I’d be far less forgiving if you acted in this manner if it’d been my uncle.

No no..you posted..2 distinct deaths…your missus uncle…and the woman that lives above you had a brother that died
Yet now….you seem to be changing the story blowin.

“You like to pretend that Covid is no worse than the flu by grabbing figures from really bad flu years “

Again. It’s not me saying that. I am relaying a public message from a trusted Australian authority. The actual authority who has constructed the plan to move forward which our government has committed to follow.

I’m afraid that your failure to accept this is reflecting very badly on you. It makes you appear desperate to ignore the truth. That’s your issue to deal with.

What’s wrong with medical statisticians? I’d sooner trust them than armchair statisticians.

“No no..you posted..2 distinct deaths…your missus uncle…and the woman that lives above you had a brother that died
Yet now….you seem to be changing the story blowin.”

You are really tripling down on showing yourself to be an aggressively ignorant and disrespectful person with a chip on their shoulder. I’m trying to be polite here but you are making it extremely hard by preserving with your disgraceful and increasingly desperate attempt to entangle me into your own web of confusion.

Read. This.Slowly……I live with my missus. Her parents live upstairs. My missus’ uncle is also the brother of the lady upstairs.

It’s not a rubic’s cube bloke. Any further insinuations that I’m lying about a death in my family will not be taken lightly. Perhaps try and imagine that it’s your wife’s uncle who died and you might find some way to act like a decent human being instead of…..whatever you are right now.

Blowin wrote:

“You like to pretend that Covid is no worse than the flu by grabbing figures from really bad flu years “

Again. It’s not me saying that. I am relaying a public message from a trusted Australian authority. The actual authority who has constructed the plan to move forward which our government has committed to follow.

I’m afraid that your failure to accept this is reflecting very badly on you. It makes you appear desperate to ignore the truth. That’s your issue to deal with.

So what's the trusted Australian Authority you use, surely it's not a secret?

Blowin, you are clearly a very intelligent and highly articulate person. I’d be interested in listening to you have a debate with epidemiologists, virologists and other specialists. Does anyone recall that Q & A climate change episode in which Professor Julian Cox became so exasperated with Senator Malcolm Roberts that he threw a data sheet at him? Somehow, that’s how I imagine the debate would play out.

Blowin wrote:

“No no..you posted..2 distinct deaths…your missus uncle…and the woman that lives above you had a brother that died
Yet now….you seem to be changing the story blowin.”

You are really tripling down on showing yourself to be an aggressively disrespectful person with a chip on their shoulder. I’m trying to be polite here but you are making it extremely hard by preserving with your disgraceful and increasingly desperate attempt to entangle me into your own web of confusion.

Read. This.Slowly……I live with my missus. Her parents live upstairs. My missus’ uncle is also the brother of the lady upstairs.

It’s not a rubic’s cube bloke. Any further insinuations that I’m lying about a death in my family will not be taken lightly. Perhaps try and imagine that it’s your wife’s uncle who died and you might find some way to act like a decent human being instead of…..whatever you are right now.

That a pretty poor attempt at stepping back….you said it. Just go back and read the thread..you said it more than once.

And now….your playing the victim card. Oh woe is you.

brutus wrote:

Blowin wrote:

“You like to pretend that Covid is no worse than the flu by grabbing figures from really bad flu years “

Again. It’s not me saying that. I am relaying a public message from a trusted Australian authority. The actual authority who has constructed the plan to move forward which our government has committed to follow.

I’m afraid that your failure to accept this is reflecting very badly on you. It makes you appear desperate to ignore the truth. That’s your issue to deal with.

So what's the trusted Australian Authority you use, surely it's not a secret?

Read the link I’ve provided fifty times bloke.

Vic Local wrote:

"Please stop trying to insinuate I’m lying as it is very offensive."
Have you ever read "The boy who cried wolf" blowin?
People assume that you are lying based on your past posts. This is what happens when you shred your own credibility.

Victimhood incoming…….5 4 3 2…..

What an honest to goodness pair of trouser stains. I try and be civil and am forced to confront this nigh impenetrable wall of blunt ignorance and joyful malignancy of personality.

I’m am a victim. A victim of being latched onto by you pair of discourse perverting lampreys.

Go tell your missus about how you repeatedly harangued someone on the internet over the death of a relative when you failed to grasp the simple circumstances. I’m sure she will be super impressed.

Victimhood incoming…….5 4 3 2….. posted by Roadkill at 3,47pm

39 minutes later blowin goes "I’m am a victim. A victim of being latched onto by you pair of discourse perverting lampreys".

TBH, I'm surprised it took that long, but I was impressed by the lampreys reference. Well played blowin, but this doesn't change the fact you're the biggest bullshit artist on Swellnet.

"...doesn't change the fact you're the biggest bullshit artist on Swellnet."

nah that's your title...

you splitting hairs trying to catch blowin out about a percentage point he's explained to you doesn't negate the posts and posts of bullshit you spread

you are the master hyperbolic propagandaist of misinformation

bullshit basically...

you peddle it constantly

sun up till sun down you guys go at it, you stop for lunch?

This is pretty funny..losing my freedom.