Queensland's hard border with NSW to stay for 10 more weeks

Watch out Ben that’s granny killer talk. Give it five minutes and Vic Local will be around to call you a fucking idiot, stupid moron, shit for brains, stupid idiot cunt. He won’t be long, he’s just finishing describing how much he likes polite people over on another thread.

BTW - Yeah, you are the victim of ridiculous politics. Apparently you’re supposed to simply bend over and take it in the date so the career of QLD’s premier can take precedence over the lives of hundreds of thousands of people.

blowin, I'm not going to call Ben any of those things. He's not you.
Lines have to be drawn somewhere and, it's a pretty reasonable argument to say state borders are the most sensible option in terms of policing and jurisdictions issue.
Yes it's shit for the Northern NSW crew, but policing border bubbles, like the Vic / NSW one is seriously difficult and people are crying about the paperwork.
Given everything we've seen with this Gladys Outbreak, it's only a matter of time until northern NSW gets cases. Covid spreading across the border into Queensland would be inevitable. Hence the hard line.

thermalben wrote:

From ABC News:

"Queensland has confirmed that the hard border with New South Wales is likely to remain in place until at least the end of October, confirming the worst fears of businesses in the state's south."

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-24/qld-border-to-remain-closed-until...

This is a pretty poor article from the ABC and I expect better. Very little factual information contained in this media article. More akin to 9news reporting.

My personal opinion is a border zone will be reinstated sooner than later but only for the vaccinated.

This article is just ammunition for the Qld gov to mandate the vaccination entry.

There’s a graph directly above which states plainly enough that Nth NSW has had a single case in a year and QLD hasn’t had a case for 522 days. People don’t cease to exist because something, maybe , perhaps might happen….

I guess you want to ban people from going in the ocean in Byron because there was a shark attack there a year ago and the Whites have been spotted swimming off Bondi….

Ben is exactly like me. He’s willing to obey the Covid rules and he thinks many of them are valid but he believes some are inappropriate and motivated purely by politics. He said exactly that as I have myself.

The only reason you don’t react to Ben holding the same view as myself is because you don’t feel confident projecting your angry old man routine towards him.

Vic Local wrote:

blowin, I'm not going to call Ben any of those things. He's not you.
Lines have to be drawn somewhere and, it's a pretty reasonable argument to say state borders are the most sensible option in terms of policing and jurisdictions issue.
Yes it's shit for the Northern NSW crew, but policing border bubbles, like the Vic / NSW one is seriously difficult and people are crying about the paperwork.
Given everything we've seen with this Gladys Outbreak, it's only a matter of time until northern NSW gets cases. Covid spreading across the border into Queensland would be inevitable. Hence the hard line.

This can't simply be minimised as "lines need to be drawn somewhere". If that's the case, why not adopt a common sense approach? Huge population of people impacted here. Look into the tweed shire population statistics, then Byron/Ballina, then have look at the GC and Logan population, scenic rim, Brisbane, further if you will.

The reality is the implications of this insane decision are felt from the sunshine coast right down to Ballina and everyone out west, particularly farmers who are coming into harvest season and are struggling to access their required resources (widely un-reported issue).

The premier and her CHO are purely power tripping. Some final power moves as they can see their time with lockdowns is being campaigned strongly against by the feds... Finally. And this is Annastacia's final hardman stance to really hammer home how shit Gladys handling of the delta variant is compared to Team Annastacia. Gold standard at rubbing it in now.

I reckon if you lived in tweed and worked in SEQ somewhere VL you'd be blowing a gasket by now. You have no skin in this game that we are forced to play by Premier Qld and Premier NSW, and it really shows.

I definitely wouldn't be commenting on conditions down your way, as Ive got no idea how things are for you. It amazes me that you are so staunch with your views on what we are going thru. When the evidence for hard closures in this geographical region appears to be all politics hidden under the guise of health and safety.

Shes unnecessarily fucked alot of good people over today if that article is true.

Ben,
Let's be realistic here. The Delta variety has spread to far Western NSW, SA, Vic, and NZ from Sydney. I'm actually shocked it hasn't spread to Byron and the Tweed. Pure luck has played a huge part in that.
The political reality is, the Queensland Premier represents the Queensland people. NSW residents simply don't count. That's tough, but it's a reality.
The premier has to take the least shit option for the people she represents. Yes people get hurt but the alternative is even worse.
I don't understand why people get so angry at premiers for locking down.
Given our woeful vaccination rates (due to Scomo's supply issues) it's not like premiers have a choice in the matter. Gladys tried to buck the trend with her anti-lockdown agenda, and it's resulted in a right royal shit show across 4 states, the ACT and even in NZ,

You’re starting to sound like a malcontent trouble making Right wing nut job nazi Trump supporter, Ben.

Just get back in your house and don’t question the arbitrary, career oriented decisions made by politicians. So what if there’s no medical or scientific justification for these carelessly dispensed decrees? You should be grateful that your betters have taken action.

thermalben wrote:

Let's flip the coin.

Couple of months ago, when NSW wasn't in lockdown, SE Qld had a small Covid-19 outbreak (I think that was the one acount Xmas time, offhand). Brisbane, Sunshine Coast, Gold Coast LGAs etc all went into some kinda lockdown.

Tweed Shire - being in NSW - didn't see any restrictions at all. Our borders weren't physically 'closed' to Qld'ers either, so we were at risk of someone travelling in with the virus - Brisbane being about 100km from the Tweed, and the Gold Coast being right next door.

This is crazy. We should have been locked down as per Gold Coast, as we are much more likely to see an infection from that side of the border than via a gradual creep up from Sydney (remember - we've had no locally transmitted Covid cases in 525 days).

In my opinion, the Tweed Shire - and maybe some parts of the Northern Rivers - should be under the SE Qld banner for the purposes of biosecurity/quarantining.

I mean, have alook at what's happened at Mungindi. How ridiculous is that?
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-24/qld-covid-border-residents-angry-...

The key quote in that article is "If the Queensland and NSW Premiers could come together and work through this, there's a practical way to give these people's lives back," he said.“

There’s the #1 problem. The two silly cows just don’t communicate or want to collaborate on these very important border town issues. And why would they when they’re such small numbers of voters in the grand scheme of the state.

Thats always been a problem for NENSW......we are much closer and more tied to SEQLD than Sydney.
They should extend a border bubble down to Ballina and deal with the logistics.

Still baffles me how the premier, with a straight face, thinks she can fly in and out of Tokyo where COVID was widespread and return no probs and then lock people out of their jobs who live 100m away in a region with zero cases.

The fucken nerve of her.

“ Given our woeful vaccination rates (due to Scomo's supply issues)”

I disagree with this attitude that everyone has, not just you VL

Everyone has forgotten the vaccines came on much faster than normal and were given the Green light for emergency use in other countries.
We had no such issues so we took a cautious approach and followed safely behind other nations.

I think next pandemic I’d hope we’d do exactly the same again

We chose to be behind and it was a sensible choice. These lockdowns won’t be forever, everyone just needs some patience right now.

This will be trying. We are trying to get someone NSW based that can’t get to QLD to work for us in NSW over this time. It does seem severe considering the local transmissible cases are zero. Aaargh politics…you have to love it.

Roadkill wrote:

This will be trying. We are trying to get someone NSW based that can’t get to QLD to work for us in NSW over this time. It does seem severe considering the local transmissible cases are zero. Aaargh politics…you have to love it.

That’s exactly what I said a few days ago and you called me a snowflake.

Blowin wrote:

Roadkill wrote:

This will be trying. We are trying to get someone NSW based that can’t get to QLD to work for us in NSW over this time. It does seem severe considering the local transmissible cases are zero. Aaargh politics…you have to love it.

That’s exactly what I said a few days ago and you called me a snowflake.

No..you ranted and raved and exaggerated everything to align with your antivax message.

I simply pointed out the obvious, that there is a certain amount of politics at play….you are so bent out of shape anything you say has zero credibility.

Blowin wrote:

Roadkill wrote:

This will be trying. We are trying to get someone NSW based that can’t get to QLD to work for us in NSW over this time. It does seem severe considering the local transmissible cases are zero. Aaargh politics…you have to love it.

That’s exactly what I said a few days ago and you called me a snowflake.

And you were called a snowflake, because you can hand out shit on here…you can give but not take, but as soon as you got kickback you pulled the victim card…100% a snowflake.

I’m not anti-vaccine. I took the old bloke up to get his yesterday. You basically agree with everything I said but you just thought it’d be fun on the day to take the piss on the day I was particularly frustrated with the political driven bullshit. So what if I rant and rave about politicians demanding the regular people give up their freedoms with zero benefit or justification?

I get given more shit on here then any other five people combined. Your jumping on board just makes my bad mood worse even though you agree with my sentiments. That’s average behaviour.

shoredump wrote:

“ Given our woeful vaccination rates (due to Scomo's supply issues)”

I disagree with this attitude that everyone has, not just you VL

Everyone has forgotten the vaccines came on much faster than normal and were given the Green light for emergency use in other countries.
We had no such issues so we took a cautious approach and followed safely behind other nations.

I think next pandemic I’d hope we’d do exactly the same again

We chose to be behind and it was a sensible choice. These lockdowns won’t be forever, everyone just needs some patience right now.

This is exactly how i view things, im pretty sure the government even said this was our approach in early days, then suddenly the narrative from media and people changed?

You only have to look at New Zealand to see the exact same thing our vaccination rate is now 24% they are at 19%

welcome to the GULAG, say thanks to palaschik and those who voted for that nazi.

indo-dreaming wrote:

shoredump wrote:

“ Given our woeful vaccination rates (due to Scomo's supply issues)”

I disagree with this attitude that everyone has, not just you VL

Everyone has forgotten the vaccines came on much faster than normal and were given the Green light for emergency use in other countries.
We had no such issues so we took a cautious approach and followed safely behind other nations.

I think next pandemic I’d hope we’d do exactly the same again

We chose to be behind and it was a sensible choice. These lockdowns won’t be forever, everyone just needs some patience right now.

This is exactly how i view things, im pretty sure the government even said this was our approach in early days, then suddenly the narrative from media and people changed?

You only have to look at New Zealand to see the exact same thing our vaccination rate is now 24% they are at 19%

Ours is 31% fully vaccinated and 54% 1st dose vaccinated. For 16 and over.

Blowin wrote:

I’m not anti-vaccine. I took the old bloke up to get his yesterday. You basically agree with everything I said but you just thought it’d be fun on the day to take the piss on the day I was particularly frustrated with the political driven bullshit. So what if I rant and rave about politicians demanding the regular people give up their freedoms with zero benefit or justification?

I get given more shit on here then any other five people combined. Your jumping on board just makes my bad mood worse even though you agree with my sentiments. That’s average behaviour.

100% irrelevant. You are anti common sense and anti science. On a positive you are pro bs and pro conspiracy. A total wack job imo.

@ Blowin, i know you aren't keen on the vaccine, but realistically if you want to get back to Indo you are going to have to get it, i think its very unlikely airlines will allow travel without it and i think its unlikely the Indo government will let you in without it in the future, if you do get sick you take up a hospital bed.

Even now in indo my wife family is saying you cant go to the shopping mall without proof of vaccination.

Obviously up to you, but IMHO i think you are best getting it done and be ready just incase travel restrictions ease or Indo opens up etc, rather than have to rush out get the jab and then wait again for second jab.

Maybe something to consider.

Wow shoredump.
Your opinion that the vaccine stroll out was caused by cautiousness (rather than a rolled gold fuck up in procurement) is a truly weird rewriting of history. It's like you are on Scomo's PR team.

indo-dreaming wrote:

@ Blowin, i know you aren't keen on the vaccine, but realistically if you want to get back to Indo you are going to have to get it, i think its very unlikely airlines will allow travel without it and i think its unlikely the Indo government will let you in without it in the future, if you do get sick you take up a hospital bed.

Even now in indo my wife family is saying you cant go to the shopping mall without proof of vaccination.

Obviously up to you, but IMHO i think you are best getting it done and be ready just incase travel restrictions ease or Indo opens up etc, rather than have to rush out get the jab and then wait again for second jab.

Maybe something to consider.

This is the funny thing about selfish idiots promoting a false narrative about the vaccine and being anti everything…they talk about rights yet let the majority do the right thing to protect the country. However, when they have to stand strong to their beliefs and may miss out on travel or visiting restaurants and basically doing the usual things society does, they won’t have the will to carry through and they will get vaccinated to get that passport to allow them to carry on with life. They will vaccinate for 100% selfish reasons. They are so dumb and it is so obvious what they will do.

It’s anti-common sense and anti-science to believe that making it illegal to sit on a beach on your own 400kms from a virus doesn’t serve any purpose in preventing the spread of the virus?

Ok.

Roadkill wrote:

indo-dreaming wrote:

shoredump wrote:

“ Given our woeful vaccination rates (due to Scomo's supply issues)”

I disagree with this attitude that everyone has, not just you VL

Everyone has forgotten the vaccines came on much faster than normal and were given the Green light for emergency use in other countries.
We had no such issues so we took a cautious approach and followed safely behind other nations.

I think next pandemic I’d hope we’d do exactly the same again

We chose to be behind and it was a sensible choice. These lockdowns won’t be forever, everyone just needs some patience right now.

This is exactly how i view things, im pretty sure the government even said this was our approach in early days, then suddenly the narrative from media and people changed?

You only have to look at New Zealand to see the exact same thing our vaccination rate is now 24% they are at 19%

Ours is 31% fully vaccinated and 54% 1st dose vaccinated. For 16 and over.

Not saying you are not correct, be great if its true, but can you provide a link?...

Where are you getting these figures from?....

All the most recent figures i can find are 24% and 19% for NZ

indo
https://www.smh.com.au/national/covid-19-global-vaccine-tracker-and-data...

Vic Local wrote:

Wow shoredump.
Your opinion that the vaccine stroll out was caused by cautiousness (rather than a rolled gold fuck up in procurement) is a truly weird rewriting of history. It's like you are on Scomo's PR team.

So has New Zealand also fucked up then?

You people normally hold Arden as the messiah?....

But NZ vaccination rates are lower than ours and they have a pop of less than 5 million so should be able to secure doses needed much easier.

NZ is also having the same issues with Covid outbreaks into the community.

The narratives just dont add up, seems we both are having the same issues securing supplies.

BTW. Like Brutus pointed out the other day we have millions of doses of AZ too, and it's a bit rich to suggest anyone knew AZ would have blood clot issues, that in reailty are much lower than many other medications, on paper it made sense to be the go to vaccine, can be made here, didnt need low temps for storage and not mrna tech, so should have had less anti vax push back.

Roadkill wrote:

indo
https://www.smh.com.au/national/covid-19-global-vaccine-tracker-and-data...

Thanks, well thats good news.

Weird how even the main ones that come up on google are out of date.

indo-dreaming wrote:

Vic Local wrote:

Wow shoredump.
Your opinion that the vaccine stroll out was caused by cautiousness (rather than a rolled gold fuck up in procurement) is a truly weird rewriting of history. It's like you are on Scomo's PR team.

So has New Zealand also fucked up then?

You people normally hold Arden as the messiah?....

But NZ vaccination rates are lower than ours and they have a pop of less than 5 million so should be able to secure does much easier.

NZ is also having the same issues with Covid outbreaks into the community.

Like Brutus pointed out the other day we have millions of doses of AZ too, and its a bit rich to suggest anyone knew this would have blood clot issues, that in reailty are much lower than many other medications.

NZ is slowly waking up to how useless Ardern and Co are. Jacinda will eventually be recognised as one of the most useless leaders we have ever had. Labour are so far out of their depth it ain’t funny any longer. It is woke politics and little else.

Bunch of anti-commonsense and anti -science snowflakes!

PS- What about the fella laying in the photo with his ( nicely proportioned) lady friend and getting captioned as a woman! Classic Get a haircut and a job ya hippy!

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/what-do-you-think-you-re-doing-sydne...

Indo,

IslandBay shared this ditty yesterday. A bit of a dot point on NZ and all the work the bureaucrats have done in the 12 months between their first and current lock downs.

https://democracyproject.nz/2021/08/23/bryce-edwards-political-roundup-t...

maka2000 wrote:

welcome to the GULAG, say thanks to palaschik and those who voted for that nazi.

certainly wasn’t me!! I can’t stand the silly cow. The way she speaks is so Fcking bogan!!

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-25/queensland-nsw-border-protest-hor...
Should have also been fined for cruelty to an animal also.

Kinda comical really. Everyone cheers and then he shouts the rallying cry to charge the border for FREEEEDOM. A hush comes over the rebels and they decide - nah, maybe not.

Back to watching Braveheart.

Still at that price, wish I'd have had a dollar each way on him.

So how is it going up there in NE NSW? 919 cases today in the state, and the Delta variety has spread all the way to NZ and far western NSW.
Call me crazy, but I'm tipping Annastacia Palaszczuk is assuming that the North Coast already has undetected covid cases, or will be getting detected covid cases very shortly. It's a pretty realistic assumption folks. Hence the heavy hand.
Yes it's shit, but the consequences of being too cautious are much smaller than the consequences of being too relaxed about Delta. And today there's 919 examples of what happens when politicians are too relaxed.
Annastacia Palaszczuk is doing the logical things to stop a Gladys type shit show in Queensland, the state she represents.

Blowin wrote:

I’m not anti-vaccine. I took the old bloke up to get his yesterday. You basically agree with everything I said but you just thought it’d be fun on the day to take the piss on the day I was particularly frustrated with the political driven bullshit. So what if I rant and rave about politicians demanding the regular people give up their freedoms with zero benefit or justification?

I get given more shit on here then any other five people combined. Your jumping on board just makes my bad mood worse even though you agree with my sentiments. That’s average behaviour.

The freedoms that have been given up do come with benefit and are justified - speaking in a general sense, no doubt if you pull apart the minutiae you'll find things that don't.

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Us Queenslanders don’t call it Point Danger for nothing. Past there lies New South Wales.

There was a Covid trace the other day at the Lennox Sewerage works which might be part of the decision, but you think they could reevaluate after a week.
Mind you ….. are Lennox surfers missing Qld surfers chasing winter southerly swells? Chance it was planted?!

Apologies if this was answered somewhere amongst all the mud slinging comments...but..

To Ben (and others who've said similar) - what's the supposed political benefit the Premier is after from doing this? Choosing to stymie economic activity on the tourism-dependent GC and SC doesn't seem like something one does willy nilly... so what is there logically to gain? Keeping in mind QLD voters already voted the ALP back in with a bigger margin and the next State election is years away (i.e. this particular decision will have been forgotten by 95% of voters)...sooooo, what's to gain for Anna & Co?

Plus, she said, and QPS backed her up straight away, that QPS and QH are struggling to deal with the demand from the rush of NSWers trying to get into QLD, and they (those two agencies/departments) asked for some (two weeks?) breathing space. Doesn't sound very politically motivated to me. Gladys/ScoMo have already done enough to tarnish their images themselves, and the ALP in QLD know they don't need to do anything to help that along...

Everybody wants zero restrictions until the spread is rampant and people they know start dying or developing chronic health problems after catching the virus. We've got family overseas in places that took that approach and they said it was fucken terrifying AND they were in locations that went into lockdown because they didn't have the same constitutionally-enabled border control mechanisms we have here and so they were locked down for a long time, living in small apartments in high rises in the middle of northern hemisphere continents in the middle of winter.... they looked on at the lockdowns here and relative low-transmission rates and said they'd take what we've been going through any day.

They say that a lot of people are moving to Qld to avoid the lockdowns. Somewhat ironically, some are arguing about the very same border controls that have made it desirable for them to head north.

Tweed River would be a natural geographic barrier.