Australia - you're standing in it
Supafreak wrote:@brutus , have you heard anything about the early trade with Indonesia and China, here’s an article I came across recently and has other links at end of article. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-18/new-study-aboriginal-trade-before...
so interesting to see how we are still uncovering our history......story...a Mate of mine unkle Lenny ( was on the Wadjemup WSL broadcast) tok a Sri Lankan friend up to the Pilbara in WA......went out into the back country, where there were mostly speaking traditional language....his Sri lankan mate after a couple of hours turns to Lenny and says he just about understands everything they were saying, so he chats back in Sri Lankan...and they can understand him. Once upon a time the landbridge between Australia and Indo...carried the first wave from CHina/Indo/India......who would have thought?
The positive aspects of healing are far greater than predjudice. Wether they effect us directly or indirectly. What ever the issue Positive action will embrace those in need or willing. Be the change. Positivity builds.
@brutus
Hmmm i strongly disagree, i even think it's sad that you feel that way, i hope in the future you change your mindset because i dont think its a healthy or good one.
Anyway you and me have this great history of completely disagreeing on things, but still having a great conversation/ civil debate that never turns to shit, and although we dont agree on all that much we somehow find a point where we kind of agree to end the conversation.
So if we are going to continue this conversation, that could get messy, maybe we should ensure we continue on this path.
Anyway feel kind of drained today, so might leave it at that.
Cheers
Brutus, Interesting language story and you would like this article from Wayfinders.
https://www.pbs.org/wayfinders/polynesian4.html
Long before Captain Cook, the oceans were buzzing with traffic for thousands of years, especially when you consider you can sail from Africa to Australia and be pretty close to land nearly the whole "long" way around. Adventurous types who loved a challenge would have been tempted to keep going to see whats around the next bend. The blending of cultures back then would have been something to see. Interesting too that aboriginal Australians look a lot like north African Ishmaelites and also practice circumcision which is also an Abrahamic custom. It seems the world was a well travelled place on the very useful trade winds and a lot went on that we will never know about except for a boring DNA trail.
Indo..yeah we will see things different , we have different life experiences that color our lives .
it's ironic that we are sad for each others positions on a lot of issues , but we are civil to each other , and it's interesting which other people comment around us , left /right , brown/black /white /yellow......it's sometimes very strange even when we are debating points , that forums are a fellowship and become part of peoples daily lives.....I have had quite a few issues during lockdown , and probably too much time , so I delve into issues of the day and try and answer or make observations , sorta cleansing the clutter of the mind......
As you know in relation to Indigenous/Minority issues I have had the great honour and privilege to have been sorta adopted by Hawaiians/Blackfellas even Tahitians....so been educated different....I see things from their point of view because of the underdog/abuse ridden short history with White colonialists....as I was and am still today dealing with racially motivated behaviour......
having said all the above , with a touch of misery , I see hope every where now as the history of yesteryear is challenged by the facts of today ...more and more facts and a will to understand and learn from past mistakes....that's why I do not see the Union jack as part of national flag , as Australia evolves with our indigenous First peoples history as our foundation!
Locked in isolation, unable to see his legal representation, denied bail, trumped up charges.
No different to China except they haven’t made him disappear altogether.
https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/protester-who-allegedly-struck-horse...
Surely they'll have seen the video footage of the 'strike'.
Terrifying situation to be in.
I just don't get the hard arse attitude of the authorities in this case. It's almost like they don't want to lose face. It will end in this person becoming somewhat of a cult hero amongst his freedom fighter friends. He will also probably make a motza out of his story from the same fucked up media that started it in the first place. And the authorities will end up winning the mug prize.
Such a terrible thing to do to a horse. What the protester did wasn't much better.
This takes about 100 seconds. Listen to corporate water speculators gloating about profiteering from the next drought cause they own rights to the water.
Totally normal and a completely acceptable way to operate a society.
Listen to corporate water speculators Duxton Waters talk about the "fun" and "huge free cash flow" their investors will get from the next drought in Australia by profiting off our sick Murray Darling Basin river system.
— Helen Dalton MP (@helendalton22) August 1, 2021
Important story by @CallumDRFoote https://t.co/AzJ3eCaflY pic.twitter.com/v3nrxCiWLN
water will be like gold in a few years..
https://oursantaferiver.org/the-great-water-grab-wall-street-is-buying-u...
The only way to save the system is by reducing extractions and that will be done by returning the buy back policy. The shooters and fishers party does not support this.
simba wrote:water will be like gold in a few years..
https://oursantaferiver.org/the-great-water-grab-wall-street-is-buying-u...
Fuckin hell, talk about a depopulation agenda.
Citigroup recommends water-rights owners sell water to fracking companies instead of to farmers because water for fracking can be sold for as much as $3,000 per acre-foot instead of only $50 per acre/foot to farmers.
Ya reckon Morrison still harbours leadership ambitions?
LNP water policy, the legacy that keeps giving.
Or as Angus Taylor says, “money for nothing, tax for free”
Earth to Scotty von Marketer this is what real leadership looks like .... https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp.abc.net.au/article/100341344
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Yeah, nah. No way is Australia becoming authoritarian.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-03/western-sydney-health-staff-sacke...
Weirdos... Try surfing, Living in a chat room isn't healthy.
Sitting at Hastings checking the surf , mother and calf 80 mtrs of the point . 
I’m just glad that Australia isn’t becoming authoritarian!
From the SMH
“The federal government has banned Australians who normally live in other countries from returning home without needing government permission in a move branded as “barbaric.”
Until now, residents of other countries who are Australian are allowed to leave the country without applying for an exemption, but are regularly questioned at the border and required to prove that they live abroad as part of the international border bans brought in at the start of the COVID-19 pandemic.
Health Minister Greg Hunt tabled the amendment, which cannot be disallowed.
But on Thursday the government quietly changed the rule, effective from August 11, claiming it was a loophole.
Now, according to the government’s explanatory statement tabled in Parliament, a person will have to demonstrate to the Australian Border Force Commissioner a “compelling reason for needing to leave Australian territory”.
The amendment, which cannot be disallowed, “will reduce the pressure on Australia’s quarantine capacity, reduce the risks posed to the Australian population from COVID-19, and assist in returning vulnerable Australians back home,” the government said.
Exemptions can be granted for business travel, but the government has previously said it intends to clamp down on the number of them being granted.
The government did not issue a press release to alert the public to the change nor did Health Minister Greg Hunt, who tabled the amendment, raise it in any of his media interviews on Thursday.
Home Affairs Minister Karen Andrews said the change was introduced out of consistency.
“This does not stop Australians ordinarily resident outside Australia from departing. However, these people will now need to apply for an exemption,” she said.
“The exemption’s regime is based on health advice and enables people to travel if essential, but is ultimately about keeping Australians safe from overseas COVID transmission.”
‘Barbaric and counterproductive’
James Turbitt recently flew back to Australia from Belgium to try and say goodbye to his seriously ill mother.
He missed out on seeing her one last time because he was told to hire a charter flight worth tens of thousands of dollars to qualify for an exemption to leave hotel quarantine. He is currently in the country sorting out her affairs before returning home.
Turbitt said the government’s changes were aimed at citizens like him and that it was “barbaric and counterproductive”.
“I came back for the passing of my mother, I was locked in a hotel room while she passed away, denied an exemption to see her, and now I am subjected to proving my life overseas, in order to leave again?” the 35-year-old said.
“My life is overseas, my work is there, my partner is there, I’ve just lost my mother, and now I can be denied to go back and seek comfort from my partner?
“She has not been allowed in with me and now I might be denied leaving? What has this country come to?
“The [Queensland] Premier goes overseas to the Olympics, the Prime Minister goes to check out his family history in England.
“Now someone who doesn’t even want to be in this country is potentially going to be forcibly detained in a place he doesn’t want to be. I do not agree that it is fair,” he said.
Australia is alone in banning its citizens, temporary visa holders, permanent residents and dual citizens from leaving the country under the international travel ban brought in March 2020.
It is also the only country to have temporarily threatened some of its citizens with the threat of jail and massive fines if they tried to return home from India during the height of its recent COVID wave. Several Australians who had been trying to get home died in India.
Australia is also alone in the world in locking out its citizens through a cap on the number of people who can enter the country in a single week – recently halved to around 3000 at the request of several Labor premiers.
This has resulted in a queue of more than 35,000 Australians around the world who are trying to get home at any one time but can’t because of the restrictions on hotel quarantine spaces.”
In other news…..Our pants shitting Prime Minister’s best mate, the God bothering head of Hillsong, is charged with concealing child sex offences. Just so happens that he skedaddled out of the country a few weeks ago. I’m sure the fact that he knew to get out and got exemption to leave Australia had nothing to do with being mates with our lying, scheming dog of a Prime Minister!
Blowin, those last two posts do my head in. Millions of aussies have relatives overseas that they can’t see and are hoping like hell they don’t get sick before this Covid business settles down let alone the people whose relatives are already sick or dying like the poor guy in that story. And then this prick from Hillsong and his wife get tickets out of the country and low and behold he has been charged. No doubt getting a tip off from his mate the PM. That is so wrong.
Blowfly posting at 3 in the morning. Sad lonely Gronk
Hmmm….I’d just answered a buzzer to help a frail old fella who was doing it a bit hard.
And here you are trolling for hate on a perfect Friday arvo.
Who’s the sad gronk there, bloke? Hint: It’s not me.
Blowin it is irreconcilable in terms of how wrong and yet how passive we have become in this country
I’m sitting here trying to get any kind elsewhere after a week in lockdown in a city of 2,500,000 with a cluster of less than 100 justifying language from a government that asks people to think twice before leaving their front door.
The party politics of our government where their own interests in maintaining or securing power mean all objectivity has been lost as they use raw case numbers as the primary measure in of their own success as a government. The 10am presser has become a gluttonous media teat they keep drinking from as they manipulate people into doing what they say. Never before in our history have governments at every level had the authoritarian power they do today.
Mandate to restrict freedom of movement, track movements and detain because of proximity to someone “infected” with Covid.
When we will get our life back?
When will people say they’ve had enough? Will they? I Fucken hope so and sooner rather than later.
The ticket out of here is vaccines and the government have all the control of that too. What a Fucken debacle.
We keep reaping what our leaders sow. Modern man for the moment has lost control, possibly from a total dysfunctional political collapse, bureaucratic inaction and everyday despair and the need to be led to a greater good for all (better future). Waiting won't deliver the results needed.
RBA calls high immigration numbers as keeping wages low:
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/immigration-levels-a-factor-in-s...
I think you are right Roystein . It is all about power and comes from the top down . I believe the World Economic Forum is the top as they plan The Great Reset . Covid is only one of their tactics . I really hope I am wrong but believe it WILL require people to say they finally have had enough . It may unfortunately lead to revolutions around the world as people become fed up with being told what to do by people that think they know better . Look for how the French react as no one does revolutions better . The US may also explode for the same reasons . There are millions of armed ex soldiers there who love fighting for freedom . I so hope it does not come to this but something dramatic has to happen to stop individuals loosing all the freedoms our wonderful soldiers , navy and air force fought for in the Great Wars .
You call that a lockdown?? Now THIS is a lockdown. 8 years!!
"UN urges Australia to release dangerously ill refugee who has ‘given up on living’ after eight years"
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/aug/11/un-urges-australi...
how much tax payer money has been wasted in that photo?
Morrison government hates low unemployment and wage growth
By Unconventional Economist ( Macrobusiness)
For the better part of six months, the Reserve Bank of Australia (RBA) has stated continuously that it is committed to driving unemployment below 4.5% because lower unemployment is needed to drive wage growth above its current historically low level.
The RBA has also admitted that the closure of Australia’s international border and the loss of around 500,000 migrants is a key reason why Australia’s unemployment rate has fallen to its current decade low of 4.9% – still well above the RBA’s target level.
Yesterday, the chair of the parliamentary committee into skilled migration, Liberal MP Julian Leeser, shamelessly admitted that the government does not want lower unemployment and wage growth, hence it has committed to reopening the immigration floodgates:
“As a result of the pandemic half a million temporary visa holders left the country, many of which are skilled migrants.
“We have an unemployment rate of 4.9%, it’s been more than 10 years since we’ve seen an unemployment rate that low.
“But there are also record job advertisements right across the economy … job figures that were released only a couple of days ago indicated that ads are up 38% since the beginning of the pandemic.
“We do have in Australia endemic skill shortages in some parts of the economy. And it’s those skills shortages that need to be filled my migrants…
“There are many jobs in the economy that Australians don’t have the qualifications or the skills to do…
“Businesses told us that it is difficult to get skilled migrants here… the conditions are not necessarily attractive [without permanent residency]… For the business owner that’s trying to turn a buck… we just felt there needed to be clearer pathways to permanent residency for people that come here as skilled migrants filling skill shortages in the economy with skills that we don’t have”.
Only in the world of the Morrison Government is an unemployment rate below 5%, a strong jobs market, and decent wage growth seen as a bad outcome.
The above statement from Julian Leeser proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that the Coalition serves its business masters first and foremost, and that they don’t give a stuff about the welfare of Australian workers and households.
The Coalition’s modus operandi is to flood the labour market with cheaper migrant workers to fatten the wallets of its business mates
And more revelations about the shit show which is the international student rort
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Lowy Institute proves education exports are wildly exaggerated
By Unconventional Economist ( Macrobusiness)
The Lowy Institute has unknowingly proven why the often spruiked $40 billion of education ‘exports’ – equating to more than $60,000 per international student – was a giant lie and massively exaggerated:
Early changes to relax visa requirements and the cap on working hours for students in essential industries led to criticism that these measures would be insufficient for international students to sustain their livelihoods. So the government suggested that international students could simply “return home”…
It also conflicted with the Australian government’s own marketing to prospective students from before the pandemic assuring them that Australia is safe and that “You can rely on the Australian government … to look after you every step of your journey”.
Although state governments and universities provided some support, many international students have fallen through the cracks. One in five students fear they will be made homeless and one in three find they often have insufficient funds to buy food… As international students continue to face government-imposed hurdles when searching for employment, some have in fact become homeless, are forced to skip meals and face significant mental health issues. An Austrade survey of over 7000 international students conducted in June 2020 found that more students were concerned about their employment prospects (63%) and managing finances (61%) than Covid-19 (52%)…
As an immediate first step, the government should eliminate the 20 hours per week work limit for international students in all remaining sectors… Next, the government should ensure that future Covid-19 support measures are inclusive of international students.
If international education is such a massive export industry, then why do international students rely on working in Australia to pay their costs and “sustain their livelihoods”? And why are so many international students experiencing financial troubles, facing destitution and homelessness?
The reality is that international education is a people-importing immigration industry, not a genuine export industry. The hailed “$40 billion of education exports” were mostly fake.
The edu-migration industry and media conveniently omit these facts when they spruik about an ‘export’ industry that effectively siphons money from domestic sources.
By repeating this claim, they are committing a lie of omission and need to be exposed.
not the sharpest tool in the shed, though a tool to be sure
Blowin wrote:And more revelations about the shit show which is the international student rort
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Lowy Institute proves education exports are wildly exaggerated
By Unconventional Economist ( Macrobusiness)
The Lowy Institute has unknowingly proven why the often spruiked $40 billion of education ‘exports’ – equating to more than $60,000 per international student – was a giant lie and massively exaggerated:Early changes to relax visa requirements and the cap on working hours for students in essential industries led to criticism that these measures would be insufficient for international students to sustain their livelihoods. So the government suggested that international students could simply “return home”…
It also conflicted with the Australian government’s own marketing to prospective students from before the pandemic assuring them that Australia is safe and that “You can rely on the Australian government … to look after you every step of your journey”.
Although state governments and universities provided some support, many international students have fallen through the cracks. One in five students fear they will be made homeless and one in three find they often have insufficient funds to buy food… As international students continue to face government-imposed hurdles when searching for employment, some have in fact become homeless, are forced to skip meals and face significant mental health issues. An Austrade survey of over 7000 international students conducted in June 2020 found that more students were concerned about their employment prospects (63%) and managing finances (61%) than Covid-19 (52%)…
As an immediate first step, the government should eliminate the 20 hours per week work limit for international students in all remaining sectors… Next, the government should ensure that future Covid-19 support measures are inclusive of international students.
If international education is such a massive export industry, then why do international students rely on working in Australia to pay their costs and “sustain their livelihoods”? And why are so many international students experiencing financial troubles, facing destitution and homelessness?
The reality is that international education is a people-importing immigration industry, not a genuine export industry. The hailed “$40 billion of education exports” were mostly fake.
The edu-migration industry and media conveniently omit these facts when they spruik about an ‘export’ industry that effectively siphons money from domestic sources.
By repeating this claim, they are committing a lie of omission and need to be exposed.
Just the most cursory look at fees shows that one year of an Social Science/Arts degree for an international undergraduate at Sydney University, costs between A$40K and A$46K
Not hard to get to $60K from there.
So "a giant lie and massively exaggerated" seems little hyperbolic, if not fake in its primary assumption.
The rest of the article is reasonable but does not support the initial assertion.
https://www.sydney.edu.au/study/study-options/fees-and-loans/tuition-fee...
san Guine wrote:Blowin wrote:And more revelations about the shit show which is the international student rort
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Lowy Institute proves education exports are wildly exaggerated
By Unconventional Economist ( Macrobusiness)
The Lowy Institute has unknowingly proven why the often spruiked $40 billion of education ‘exports’ – equating to more than $60,000 per international student – was a giant lie and massively exaggerated:Early changes to relax visa requirements and the cap on working hours for students in essential industries led to criticism that these measures would be insufficient for international students to sustain their livelihoods. So the government suggested that international students could simply “return home”…
It also conflicted with the Australian government’s own marketing to prospective students from before the pandemic assuring them that Australia is safe and that “You can rely on the Australian government … to look after you every step of your journey”.
Although state governments and universities provided some support, many international students have fallen through the cracks. One in five students fear they will be made homeless and one in three find they often have insufficient funds to buy food… As international students continue to face government-imposed hurdles when searching for employment, some have in fact become homeless, are forced to skip meals and face significant mental health issues. An Austrade survey of over 7000 international students conducted in June 2020 found that more students were concerned about their employment prospects (63%) and managing finances (61%) than Covid-19 (52%)…
As an immediate first step, the government should eliminate the 20 hours per week work limit for international students in all remaining sectors… Next, the government should ensure that future Covid-19 support measures are inclusive of international students.
If international education is such a massive export industry, then why do international students rely on working in Australia to pay their costs and “sustain their livelihoods”? And why are so many international students experiencing financial troubles, facing destitution and homelessness?
The reality is that international education is a people-importing immigration industry, not a genuine export industry. The hailed “$40 billion of education exports” were mostly fake.
The edu-migration industry and media conveniently omit these facts when they spruik about an ‘export’ industry that effectively siphons money from domestic sources.
By repeating this claim, they are committing a lie of omission and need to be exposed.
Just the most cursory look at fees shows that one year of an Social Science/Arts degree for an international undergraduate at Sydney University, costs between A$40K and A$46K
Not hard to get to $60K from there.
So "a giant lie and massively exaggerated" seems little hyperbolic, if not fake in its primary assumption.
The rest of the article (vis a vis, lifting of working restrictions) is reasonable but does not support the initial assertion.https://www.sydney.edu.au/study/study-options/fees-and-loans/tuition-fee...
San Guine- You fail to account for the fact that students also pay for their course fees with money earned in Australia. It’s domestic turnover, not an export.
Semantics really, the money has been paid into our 'economy',
State of the nation
taliban....the usa will save us.....said the taliban
Weapons captured by the Taliban on just one base pic.twitter.com/kWJMAsCOKo
— Jack Poso 🇺🇸 (@JackPosobiec) August 14, 2021
Today in wtf:
https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/council-drives-possums-out-o...
I betcha the first possum that moves back in will go up the the holographic possum and say
"Master Yoda, teach me the ways of the Living Force,"
Master Yoda replies- "this is the plan, get your ass to Mars."
First possum: "There is no Hauser, only Quaid."
Edit: in Austrian accent
Meanwhile, on 'Mars':
https://nzpocketguide.com/new-zealand-hates-possums/
(we got them good with that one)
A.I ......Elon Musk
The "I can't believe it's not politics" thread.