Australia - you're standing in it
udo wrote:https://www.news.com.au/national/politics/lidia-thorpe-to-lodge-human-ri...
"Lidia Thorpe to lodge Human Rights Commission ‘racism’ complaint
Lidia Thorpe will lodge a complaint to the Human Rights Commission about the racism she alleges she experienced while a member of the Greens."
Ive got a funny feeling she doesn't know the difference between criticism and racism.
Waleed Aly drew attention today to a key point in Stan's farewell statement in reference to the media mostly overlooked:
Media: "often, we are the poison in the bloodstream of our society."
Admirably, Waleed said the comment hit home for himself and his own media ecosystem. He also noted how subsequent to Stan's speech the various arms of the media frothed up a storm and devoted their efforts to shooting arrows of blame at everyone they could think of - anyone but themselves.
In doing so they proved his point.
Too much talk, too much opinion, too much persuasion, too much agenda driven narrative on the same 4 or 5 predictable topics.
Too little straight factual news.
As usual Frog, Waleed Aly is very close to the mark.
To paraphrase, he says that the abuse and racism that Stan Grant has encountered is not so much an issue of "bad actors", it's a systemic problem in the media. Specifically when the media more broadly is dominated by performative and disingenuous conversation and this filters down to the level of the individual, how can public discussion be anything but disastrous.
Highly recommended.
https://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/theminefield/is-stan-grant...
Jeez, that was a good episode of The Minefield. Didn't agree with Margaret Simons when she came on, thought Wally had the more accurate take on it, but a fine back and forth at any rate.
Yep, i’m with Waleed when he says that the whole thing is broken rather than with Margaret when she says that we need to participate to try and negate the so-called bad actors.
As Waleed mentioned, in a time of ultra-partisan post-truth, you’re going to get nowhere.
Disengage and watch it burn.
AndyM wrote:Yep, i’m with Waleed when he says that the whole thing is broken rather than with Margaret when she says that we need to participate to try and negate the so-called bad actors.
As Waleed mentioned, in a time of ultra-partisan post-truth, you’re going to get nowhere.
Disengage and watch it burn.
When he said, paraphrasing, 'yes, but everyone thinks they're a good actor, debating with good intent', he hit the nail on the head for the partisan clusterfuck we find ourselves in.
Admittedly, her retort to keep going because you may change minds is worth considering, yet how often does that happen when the media presents everything as partisan and polemic?
Off topic: I spelt 'clusterfuck' wrong in the first para and spellcheck suggested 'clothesfuck'. There are some weird people programming spellcheck.
The Camus quotes about the need to speak "the language of humanity " and "no persuading an abstraction" (ideology), in the context of our current modes of communication were highlights.
Worth a listen for anyone who didn't catch it.
AndyM wrote:Yep, i’m with Waleed when he says that the whole thing is broken rather than with Margaret when she says that we need to participate to try and negate the so-called bad actors.
As Waleed mentioned, in a time of ultra-partisan post-truth, you’re going to get nowhere.
Disengage and watch it burn.
Disengage: My gut reaction for some time has been to avoid most multi person panel style discussion shows in their various forms on all sides of the media.
As an example, QandA is supposed to be a flagship show on the national broadcaster but it’s barely a step above Jerry Springer.
Shouty tv preaching to the converted and looking for a gotcha moment.
If that’s public conversation, I’m out.
agree AndyM. Minefield's strength on the other hand shows that the winner in good debates is Socratic conversation.. whittling a topic down to interesting points of distinction. Forums are a great microcosm - lost interest in a polemic thread lately? Witnessing your conversation with Indo a few weeks back was inspiring, you acknowledged that, though he has a couple of wacky influences, he shows a greater growth-mindset than most of his monologuing detractors, and engages with people with differing views.
"If you can't empathise with another's point of view, you aren't qualified to enter the debate."
Wholly agree on the above.
Another thing worth mentioning is the dischord between Waleed Aly's public image - by that I mean how his detractors perceive him and what they accuse him of - and the positions he adopts on The Minefield.
I don't really watch tele so I don't know how he came across on The Project, but I occasionally read things on social media about him and can't square them away with The Minefield.
Same, I don’t watch TV so I don’t know how Waleed Aly comes across in that medium.
But as far as The Minefield goes, I think it’s a fantastic example of how to engage in deliberative discussions.
I can’t recommend it highly enough and it’s certainly one of the highlights of my week.
basesix wrote:agree AndyM. Minefield's strength on the other hand shows that the winner in good debates is Socratic conversation.. whittling a topic down to interesting points of distinction. Forums are a great microcosm - lost interest in a polemic thread lately? Witnessing your conversation with Indo a few weeks back was inspiring, you acknowledged that, though he has a couple of wacky influences, he shows a greater growth-mindset than most of his monologuing detractors, and engages with people with differing views.
"If you can't empathise with another's point of view, you aren't qualified to enter the debate."
You sure that was me? :)
The Project is news laced with scripted humour. Formulaic:
Discuss a bit, inform a tiny little bit - mostly with predictable "safe" biases - but mainly they work back and forth to set up the jokes / the smart Alec retort and then move on. Waleed shows his versatility, quick mind and ability to play the game. However, he must cringe a bit inside as he goes through the motions at the superficiality of it all. Without the radio show I would perceive him totally differently to how I do.
I find The Project tedious. The humour is often not good enough to entertain and the superficial news is annoying.
This is a bit of a surprise. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-05-29/wa-premier-mark-mcgowan-resigns-f...
Supafreak wrote:This is a bit of a surprise. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-05-29/wa-premier-mark-mcgowan-resigns-f...
Not surprised at all. This is an awful, in my opinion underpaid job that requires enormous amount of energy and sacrifice. Maybe it was easier back in a day, there was no internet, social media…Now every word needs to be vigorously defended and maintaining that level of focus over long period of time is unsustainable. I would never do this job.
South Oz wants a harder line on protesters.
tubeshooter wrote:South Oz wants a harder line on protesters.
But but but, we're a democracy!!!
I reckon this would make a great mini-series
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-05-22/antoine-dicenta-jailed-over-abrol...
"The yacht... then made its way to Australia's west coast as part of a plan to rendezvous with another vessel that was going to collect the drugs.
But before that could happen, Dicenta fell asleep while steering the vessel around the Abrolhos Islands, and the Zero ran aground.
There were then frantic attempts to contact the other boat, but unbeknown to Dicenta and Palmer, it too had run aground on another island....
...attempts by Dicenta and Palmer to flee from the authorities were foiled by a giant seal."
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hmm. tough one. southern does make a shakespeare reference, but vj actually states a specific format. my vote is they split creative-producer credits.
Rumour has it Angus is taking stress leave ……poor dear .
https://theshovel.com.au/2023/06/02/the-defo-awards-for-defamation/. The “Free Speech Is Sacred Until Someone Teases Me” Award
Winner: Peter Dutton
Yeah I bet Ben Roberts-Smith wishes he'd thought that whole thing through a bit more thoroughly.
AndyM wrote:Yeah I bet Ben Roberts-Smith wishes he'd thought that whole thing through a bit more thoroughly.
A staggering $30 million in lawyers fees & court costs, is Kerry picking up that bill ? Brucey L might be having nightmares too .
Supafreak wrote:AndyM wrote:Yeah I bet Ben Roberts-Smith wishes he'd thought that whole thing through a bit more thoroughly.
A staggering $30 million in lawyers fees & court costs, is Kerry picking up that bill ? Brucey L might be having nightmares too .
Reckon the man that cannot be named would be stressing ..
Might have to include him in next Shovel awards ...
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/may...
BRS Resigned from Channel 7
udo wrote:BRS Resigned from Channel 7
Yeah , he’s currently on holidays in Bali and “offered “ his resignation which was excepted .
He was general manager of Channel 7 Queensland??
Supa "Rumour has it Angus is taking stress leave ……poor dear ."
Rumor is fact. Something strange going on here. Murdoch has sicked his attack dogs on Angus, headed up by SkyNews' political chief Andrew Clennell, a rare attack on one of the LNP's leadership, the Shadow Treasurer. Hasn't happened since they went after Turnbull. Angus has always seen himself as a potential, or next in line LNP leader and future PM. Dutton was always Mudroch's choice, they tried to orchestrate him into the top job when they toppled Malcolm as PM but Cormann fucked up the numbers and Dutt's bullying of the females and moderates backfired and we ended up with Scomo and Josh. That turned out well. So now a preemptive kneecapping of Angus, probably the only viable rival to Dutton as leader.
Also of note is the fact Australia's two best twitter journalists, RonniSalt and Jommy Tee have started an FOI deep dive into the Cayman Islands $80M water rights slush fund connected to Taylor, and the more than $100M in grants and benefits awarded to Taylor's family interests during his time in Parliament. They have a pretty good strike rate when they look into such things.
No wonder the guy has been flailing lately, getting his facts and figures wrong in question time and in interviews, and now on "stress" leave.
Also due for some more "stress" leave is former minister Linda Reynolds who has been caught stealing classified documents after the last election, dobbed in this week by the staff she ordered to remove them, which can be added to her destroying evidence at a crime scene, calling her former staffer and alleged rape victim a "lying cow", attempting to interfere with Lehrmann's trial, requesting 'notes' and offering to provide 'dirt' to defence counsel in a trial she was called as a witness to and sending her husband into court as her observer at a trial she was called as a witness to.
When you take these issues together with what has emerged with the PWC scandals, Stuart Robert, Robodebt, Morrison's ministries and the connection to the Governor General's dodgy leadership foundation funding, the 'no tender' contracts with Paladin and Aspen Medical, and on and on it goes, it looks like the NACC will have plenty of ripe targets when it commences next month, a full dartboard already. No wonder the "conservatives" did all they could to avoid an anti corruption commission when they were in power.
Also Supa, in relation to BRS
"A staggering $30 million in lawyers fees & court costs, is Kerry picking up that bill ? "
The answer is yes, and he will cover the costs for the appeal if there is one. It's chump change for a guy like Stokes who idolised BRS and continues to back him in spite of the outcome of the defamation trial. BRS committed one of the biggest self owns ever going to court, should have just gone the Channel 7 one hour puff piece denial route that Lehrmann is doing this week and left it at that, move on, call it the 'fog of war'. Like Murdoch, Stokes backs some dodgy characters it seems.
@adam 12 , any idea if Bruce L was really a “ senior advisor “ to the liberal party ? I know he had something to do with Linda Reynolds office but the title he’s bragged about previously is hard to believe. He must have some powerful backers as these court cases and the amount of barristers he has wouldn’t be cheap .
Supa "@adam 12 , any idea if Bruce L was really a “ senior advisor “ to the liberal party ? I know he had something to do with Linda Reynolds office but the title he’s bragged about previously is hard to believe. He must have some powerful backers as these court cases and the amount of barristers he has wouldn’t be cheap . "
Dunno, it's very murky. He was employed as a "senior adviser" in Reynold's office, which seems a joke considering his age. He also had other similar roles for the Morrison government. I think whoever is backing him knows he has secrets and information that could cause a lot of damage to some powerful people if they cut him loose and he decided to spill the beans. I always thought it was bullshit that Morrison was not informed about what happened in Reynold's office that night straight away. Knowing his character and micro managing tendencies it seems totally implausible that he was not told immediately considering there was an election looming and this was a potential scandal. It was a cover up. Maybe that is why they are backing Lehrmann still, maybe that's not the only secret Lehrmann knows. Something very fishy is going on that is making this little shit kicker get rolled gold protection and funding. I hope the truth comes out at some stage.
adam12 wrote:Supa "@adam 12 , any idea if Bruce L was really a “ senior advisor “ to the liberal party ? I know he had something to do with Linda Reynolds office but the title he’s bragged about previously is hard to believe. He must have some powerful backers as these court cases and the amount of barristers he has wouldn’t be cheap . "
Dunno, it's very murky. He was employed as a "senior adviser" in Reynold's office, which seems a joke considering his age. He also had other similar roles for the Morrison government. I think whoever is backing him knows he has secrets and information that could cause a lot of damage to some powerful people if they cut him loose and he decided to spill the beans. I always thought it was bullshit that Morrison was not informed about what happened in Reynold's office that night straight away. Knowing his character and micro managing tendencies it seems totally implausible that he was not told immediately considering there was an election looming and this was a potential scandal. It was a cover up. Maybe that is why they are backing Lehrmann still, maybe that's not the only secret Lehrmann knows. Something very fishy is going on that is making this little shit kicker get rolled gold protection and funding. I hope the truth comes out at some stage.
Rumours which would make sense on social media is that Bruce L is related to Jenny Morrison, first or 2nd cousin. Also think there is a church connection allegedly. Again only rumours and not confirmed, but I guess it will come out eventually. Morrison definitely knew and there has been a cover up. Whole thing stinks.
Just don't mention Toowoomba.
Spud really should stay off social media, he cops a canning in the comments, it’s also hilarious when Sussy Ley opens her trap .
The people of Ukraine need our military assistance now. The Russian attacks continue and @AlboMP is deliberately delaying support waiting for a media opportunity in July. Put people above politics PM. pic.twitter.com/bFeStUIXwq
— Peter Dutton (@PeterDutton_MP) June 3, 2023
Supafreak wrote:Spud really should stay off social media, he cops a canning in the comments, it’s also hilarious when Sussy Ley opens her trap . https://twitter.com/peterdutton_mp/status/1664917607357579264?s=46&t=5Rc...
Odious individual....
May he long serve as Loto...
Grub spud :
‘The people of Ukraine need our military assistance now. The Russian attacks continue…’
What a coward… pretending to use the plight of a people, and purely for self interest and political points.
…. or
- helping create and further facilitate a problem (war), in order to manipulate the real intent of ‘support’, whilst participating in the engineered false promise of an actual solution ;)
$$$
https://rumble.com/v2rvr9n-scott-ritter-natos-war-on-russia-has-failed-r...
Didn’t you have a bleat about supporting pedophiles a while back JF?
Like, drawing a long bow to say that anyone who served in the military (and by extension anywhere in the public service) was supporting the pedophiles in the royal family? That was you, right?
Anyway, Scott Ritter is a convicted pedophile.
So, by linking to his interviews you’re directly monetizing and funding a pedophile.
So, let’s not do that?
I’m sure there’s more reputable sources out there that are support your POV on the Russian war in Ukraine. Maybe link to their work instead?
Haha pirate boy can’t help but get his periscope up ;)
First of all…
You’ve tried to state previously that you don’t give a flying fark bout what I gotta say ;) and that’s ok.
Yet… again… here you are trying to get all excited like prince andrew at a teenage disco.
I haven’t directly monetised or funded shit.
You, on the other hand, have been funded and monetised and pledged allegiance to the crown and commonwealth - who have not only harboured and protected a pedophile, but also continue to do so.
You may still be on the payroll…
Bravo ! ;)
You also clearly tried to state last year that things would only get worse for Russia …
You were wrong then. And are still wrong ;) and that’s ok.
The rumble vid is from a russian friend. Same family I’ve mentioned earlier. - Russians living in the US.
No biggie. No hit piece. And it’s ok… no ‘supporting a pedo’ bows need to be drawn ;)
The content has credibility from a military analysis perspective as well as from credentials and experience.
(both of which you’ve tried to say you can compete with) ha!
Showing that vid has nothing at all to do with supporting Ritter himself, denying his convictions nor supporting his political leanings or anything else whatsoever.
- You’ve only got one eye working, and not well ;)
I don’t support Russia and I also don’t support the US.
There is an ongoing war ‘of design’ continuing.
Australia should have nothing to do with it.
Unfortunately, we don’t have a choice.
My original post was in regard to Dutton’s ridiculous and idiotic comments. I guess your response means you support his tweet ;)
- since you are an expert on understanding ‘support’ and ‘assistance’.
Kind of like…
Supporting the invasion and assisting in the destruction of countries like ummm :
Iraq
Afghanistan
Syria
Libya
etc etc etc etc etc etc ;)
And…
you mention monetising and funding ;);)
- go join the brs cheer squad.
Fark off pirate boy.
Haha. TL:DR
So you hadn’t researched the source before posting? Fair enough.
And driving internet traffic to his articles is literally funding him. That’s how it works.
You paid taxes recently JF?
You’re going to hate to see who collects them.
and BRS? Spoke to two of the fellas who testified against him, on Thursday. To check in on them. Been supporting them the whole time.
Wrong angle again….
;-)
Yes. Things will only get worse for the Russians ;);)
And I support Biden.
And fox 31.
… so many (t)angles
Again ;)
https://m.
&pp=ygUSQmlkZW4gZmFsbGluZyBvdmVy Oh look - Joe Biden fell over! Like tripping over a convicted ‘you know what’ in your search for sources that support your POV.
(I was worried about you for a minute there buddy, there were two posts in a row without a YouTube clip - good to see you’re back. Have a great Sunday arvo ;-) )
Haha
… cheer up pirate boy ;)
Not everyone swore an oath to protect and serve pedo protectors…
I didn’t ‘search’ for any ‘sources’ to support a pov - when you learn to read go back and get the bit about how it was forwarded to myself…
And, interestingly… from russians.
You make about as much sense as grub spud ;)
https://m.
@Etarip,
Have you read Tim Marshall? Is that a silly question.. (seems like someone you'd be well aware of)
I recently read 'Prisoners of Geography' and took a hell of a lot away from that little book. In particular the Russian chapter.
Stu, Incidentally, I bought his new one ‘Power of Geography’ recently but haven’t started it yet. I’ll have to refresh myself on ‘Prisoners’ first.
There’s some compelling geographical and demographical drivers for Russia’s foreign policy. While there’s a lot of focus on Europe (Ukraine) and the Pacific (Taiwan), I’m really interested in the shifting balance in Central Asia, the ‘Stans etc with Russia, China and Iran (and to a lesser extent India) all jockeying for influence or primacy. At the same time a few post-Soviet states (as much as I dislike that characterisation) are asserting their independence from Russia. It’s fascinating.
I listened to this podcast over the weekend that’s touches in part on the competition for the stans:
https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/geopolitics-decanted-by-silverado/...
etarip wrote:There’s some compelling geographical and demographical drivers for Russia’s foreign policy.
The geographical drivers are what Marshall concerns himself with in Prisoners of Geography - obviously. Leaders largely act upon the geographical cards they've been dealt.
Interesting as the book was written prior to the invasion of Ukraine though Marshall seemed in no doubt that Putin would've taken it sooner or later. Every time Russia has been attacked it's through the North European Plain. Counting from Napoleon's invasion of 1812 they've been fighting there, on average, once every 33 years.
Ice to Moscow's north, desert to the south, ten timezones of expanse, plus the Ural Mountains, to the east, the North European Plain is their weakness and, apparently, every student of Russian history knows that. If the Russian Federation is to have a future as stable as its past (begun in the ninth century) then it needs to shore up the approaches from the North European Plain, which Ukraine sits on top of.
Black Sea geography:
One view is that the substantial build-up of Ukraine's military by the US / NATO had a possible longer term goal of taking back Crimea and with the main aim being to get control of the strategically critical sea port of Sevastopol. This port sticks right out into the Black Sea and, whoever controls it, can dominate the whole sea. There is oil and gas there but critically from Russia's viewpoint it gives a warm water access to the Mediterranean for military and trade purposes.
If Ukraine had done so, now they are a vassal state of the US and NATO, the western powers would have become the defacto controllers of the Black Sea and could have moved their navy into that port and severely constrained Russia. Also, the neocons, the think tanks and US Hedgemon fans would have creamed their jeans nightly in excitement for at least a year or two. Cigar and fine whisky sales (and coke probably) in Washington would have skyrocketed as they celebrated one of the biggest geopolitical moves since WWII.
From Russia's viewpoint this would have been totally unacceptable. It would have neutered them to a large degree as a naval power and put at risk the life blood of their economy - trade, oil, gas etc.
The point being, that given the rhetoric and the potential Sevastopol end game, the NATO moves in the Ukraine since 2014, would not have been seen by Russia as having a long term defensive "stalemate" purpose where borders would remain static and Crimea was not under threat.
For this reason, sooner or later, in their estimation, Crimea was the likely target. Therefore, the steady march eastward of NATO rearmament into Ukraine and its willingness to be part of an aggressive posture to Russia was most likely not heading for a peaceful static outcome in either the US / NATO or Russia's view.
Like chess, if the pawns march across the board in a strong formation, back by the Queen, Bishops and Rook's in a known attacking pattern, everyone on the board knows the threat and the game being played. Conflict is assured.
Russia responded first. Given how they view the Black Sea, to not respond would have been the baffling.
Queue Etarip: But but but but, please sir, please sir, my text book on the theory of provocation says it was unprovoked!
Ukraine anchors the southern flank of the plain. I think that the attraction is as much about access to the Black Sea ports, the hydrocarbon and agricultural resources in Donbas and the population.
The biggest threats to the viability of the Russian Federation aren’t physical invasion by European nations. It’s internal political turmoil, regional separatism and demographics. The Russian Federation is a colonial conglomeration.
There’s a thread of debate about whether Russia is, in fact, experiencing an extended period of decolonisation. That vast size and ethnic / cultural complexity is its Achilles heel.
The "I can't believe it's not politics" thread.