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I’m not sure. I’ve never looked into it.
All I know is that if Crooked Hillary is making a song and dance about it then she’s got an angle. Now there’s a James Bond villain ! She could empower her gender with more authenticity by openly conceding she is a well dressed emissary of Satan now that the presidency is no longer an option.
"All I know is that if Crooked Hillary is making a song and dance about it then she’s got an angle."
"Crooked Hillary"? Really? You're gonna use Trumpisms? You are a joke sir.
Use whatever name you want for that hideous she-beast.
Trump was neither the first or last person to find her detestable and unelectable.
another profile facto?
seriously...
what's all that about?
Shit on whoever you like, but I find sticking up for Trump, EASILY the worst of a bad bunch, a very strange hill to die on.
"another profile facto?"
Are you talking to me? Cos you'd be wrong.
well you're pretty sensitive to my question...
carry on
winning
I admire Trump’s rejection of globalism . Beyond that he’s still viable as a protest vote.
If Bernie / Tulsi we’re running there’d be no Trump angst. No need for laying siege to the White House and consequently provoking civil war and death either. That’s what this conversation was about.
How on earth do you figure that he's viable as a "protest vote"?
Cause...Joe Biden AKA geriatric stooge .
You think every multinational corporation in the US would be boosting for Biden if he had any intention of diverting away from the Uber neoliberalism they’ve taken fifty years to get running so smoothly ?
Im wondering if indod will get an apology...
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8680569/am...
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wsj.com/amp/articles/police-investigati...
no one's guilty yet, but if one had to guess...
either way, I'm thinking nah...
Blowin, your political philosophy is essentially defined by what, and who you hate. This is why you support "solutions" and people who want to rip down the status quo, while offering even worse types of political structures.
You hate globalism so much, you clap and cheer Trump's kleptocracy. You hate immigrants so much, you clap and cheer Hanson while ignoring her massive flaws. You hate people who stand up to racism so much, you excuse 17 year old murderers. Rather than look at the myriad of reasons why Australian housing is unaffordable, your hate for immigrants means they take all the blame. The Murray Darling Basin is a mess, and you only point the finger at Chinese water rights buyers who only make up a tiny proportion of water owners. All you do is blame and hate. Real solutions and problem solving just aren't in your quiver.
It's a very weird way to go through life mate.
"Blowin, your political philosophy is essentially defined by what, and who you hate. This is why you support "solutions" and people who want to rip down the status quo, while offering even worse types of political structures."
...pot, kettle, black
do you even know blm's main intentions?
the ultimate goal?
"do you even know blm's main intentions?
the ultimate goal?"
Tell us sypkan, and tell us exactly how you know the motivations behind the millions of people who marched under the BLM banner.
I reckon I can see a straw man being built.
...pot, kettle, black.
And BTW sypkan, like blowin, I hate corruption, but at least I offer solutions like an ICAC, campaign finance reform, lobbying rules, and bigger penalties for white collar crooks.
blowin just claps and cheers Hanson and Trump, two of the most corrupt fuckers going around.
I'm not going to search for them but Blowin on several occasions has posted some very good ways to address the Australian economy. Unfortunately it would take real political courage to implement them and probably a fair bit of short term personal sacrifice from the constituents. So my guess is nobody will touch them sadly.
I wish I could find the posts because they really did have merit and even Facto and BB left him alone on those ones- and they're his biggest fans.
but he doesn't cheer hanson and trump
he just points out how woeful and corrupt their opposition is, despite them (and you...) constantly telling us they're the good guys
and you guys just get all triggered and butthurt because you see it as some sort of personal attack. there is no personal attack, none, nothing (...well not til you guys start...) just looking at stuff objectively, both sides, critically
that's all most people want to do, but you narrative maurauders make it impossible, so most people just go quiet, too hard, too toxic ...so quiet...
the quiet majority if you will...
"....at least I offer solutions like an ICAC, campaign finance reform, lobbying rules, and bigger penalties for white collar crooks."
you really think you're the only one who supports such measures?
maybe you can explain why your beloved labor have avoided an icac at every possible opportunity...
"The right always blame the left when they fuck up Indo. It's on Trump you dimwit. He is President, not Biden, not Antifa. His watch, his Presidency, his fault. That's how history works. Stop blaming phantoms."
FFS you are full of shit.
The only people to blame for rioting on the streets is the rioters themselves (Antifa), and then authorities in those areas that don't ensure they are stopped.
Nobody else
"a right wing group isn't going to shot (sic) one of their own,"
Wow Caspar Dreaming. You're assuming again.
One of these nutters could quite easily have shot a "friendly" in the chaos. And you clearly don't know about the hatred and jealousies within the fringe right. They are bothers in arms in the race war one day, issuing death threats to each other the next. This could be a case of settling a score.
You simply don't know who committed this crime, but that doesn't stop you making definitive claims."
Thats some pretty out there conspiracy theory stuff.
Id think it would be much more likely that it's exactly what it seems.
Especially seeing the area has a history of Antifa clashing with right wing groups.
@sypkan
Yeah i doubt it, and yes i had already read and seen videos on that, including that his sister reported him after seeing the video claiming is was him.
maybe you can explain why your beloved labor have avoided an icac at every possible opportunity...
sypkan, It probably has something to do with Labor being in opposition since 2013 and every time they try and get an ICAC up, the LNP and Hanson vote it down.
Mate I reckon you might be blaming the wrong party here.
Slyppery has trouble with binary concepts. Up/Down, Wrong /Right, Right/Left, Labor/COALition
they were pretty late to the party
https://www.crikey.com.au/2017/05/26/labor-betrays-unions-and-reneges-on...
only when they sensed the public sentiment was total off the charts disdain for federal politicians did they act
hardly leading the charge
Whatever sypkan
September 2019.
"Labor, Centre Alliance and Jacqui Lambie join Greens in voting for federal anti-corruption commission, but bill won’t pass House.
A Greens bill to establish a federal anti-corruption commission has passed the Senate with the backing of Labor and the minor parties, piling pressure on the Coalition to support the proposal."
I bet you can't guess which two parties voted against the bill?
Go on sypkan, guess.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/sep/09/senate-passes-gre...
Slyppery has difficulty processing complex texts.
2019
dragged kicking and screaming
late to party
Hiccups, you were right when you said "Voting fraud by mail is as rare as hen's teeth", but then Trump suggested people in NC vote twice, once in person and once by mail to test the system.
You literally have a president encouraging voter fraud. But I'm tipping his fan club here will excuse that too.
Back in my days at the Trades Hall Council the old adage was vote early vote often comrade.
So in other words sypkan, the only parties stopping an ICAC are the massively corrupt LNP and the massively corrupt One Nation.
That's the facts. Put up you hand and admit it big boy.
now
you can ignore the embarrassing years beforehand if you wish, where it was only lib and lab resisting, very telling those years, as the country was being sold for a song, ..still...
but yes, credit to labor for jumping the two party compact first
pushed
and brickbats to the LNP who are resisting an ICAC because it would expose all their corruption? sypkan, come on brother, you're holding out on me. My mission was to get you to admit the shitfuckery being conducted by the LNP.
please don't call.me brother
but yeh, there's shitfuckery, and labor's just as deep in it china boy
"there's shitfuckery, and labor's just as deep in it china boy"
whatever brother.
When it comes to levels of corruption, the ALP aren't even close to the LNP. Transparency International have said there's a long term trend of more corruption from 2012 in Australia.
I could list one multi million dollar LNP scandal after another, and the only person who has been held to account is sports rorts Bridget McKenzie. She wasn't even demoted for rorting $100 mil, she got the boot for failing to register a conflict of interest. What a joke. The Libs default position is deny deny deny. At least the ALP booted out their branch stackers.
There's more chance of you signing up for the Socialist Alliance and singing The International than the LNP cracking down on their crooks.
You don't get to leave this debate saying the ALP are just as bad, because that's just complete rubbish.
that's a lot of 'whatever(s)'
isnt that what teenagers do when they've got nothing?
boomerboy?
china boy!
"that's a lot of 'whatever(s)'. isnt that what teenagers do when they've got nothing?"
Got it wrong again slippery.
I use the term to dismiss your idiotic statements and then follow that up with a well considered argument with evidence. See above fool.
but they're not idiotic
they are the chain of events, the reality, the developments of labor's position to now, and their obtuse endeavour to bury shit on the way
inconvenient for you perhaps, but thats the full story ...china
Wow, Vic Local, you're kind of entertaining, but so shameless in your imbalanced assessment of the world. Most of what you blurt out in accusation of the right, is clearly applicable to the left right now. For example: If you seriously believe BLM is about nothing more than the literal meaning of those three words, then you are a particularly useful idiot!
"For example: If you seriously believe BLM is about nothing more than the literal meaning of those three words, then you are a particularly useful idiot!"
The thing is cdawg, I'm happy to admit some people have used the BLM protests for their own agendas, which leaves your argument where exactly? Who is the idiot again?
Ok, good. Are you also aware that the BLM website itself used to reference its Marxist aims (I just checked and they wisely seem to have removed this), so it's not "some people" with a different agenda. It's the core of the movement. What's been hijacked is the issue of police brutality in the US, using a legitimate concern, cloaked in decent sounding principles, to drive numbers (the useful idiots) in a movement that is actually about something else.
You probably also recognise that fascism is identified by behaviour such as de-platforming, discrediting and violently opposing those with an alternative point of view? Behaviour that is most commonly observed among the ironically named ANTIFA?
gee your description of fascism sounds like Trump/Republicans...so are you saying MR Dawg....fascism can be of the extreme Looony Left and the rabid right?
Yes, fascism is neither left, nor right. It is simply an extreme method of maintaining society under the grip of a particular ideology. So people that oppose fascism (which is most) should be careful who and what they barrack for, as it's a slippery slope to becoming what we are trying to oppose.
Great, another muppet who doesn't understand how power is used.
cdawg. Have you ever wondered who riots in the street? and have you ever wondered why you don't see rich well connected folk marching? (with the exception of Gina and the embarrassing convoy of no consequence)
Mass street protests are the weapon of the powerless. De-platforming the racists and the bigots is to protect the powerless. The white middle class folks at the BLM rallies aren't trying to overthrow a government. They are standing up for people who are powerless. And the dumb arse Trump nutters are trying to keep powerless people down. That's the way fascism has always worked. It's always about punching down. Who again are the fascists?
"it's a slippery slope to becoming what we are trying to oppose."
Plenty of evidence of that on this site.
"Mass street protests are the weapon of the powerless." - True.
"De-platforming the racists and the bigots is to protect the powerless." - The problem is these labels are applied incorrectly. For example, someone that expresses concern about uncontrolled immigration is a "racist".
"The white middle class folks at the BLM rallies aren't trying to overthrow a government. They are standing up for people who are powerless." - I think many of them are, but I challenge the intent of the movement, hence my use of the "useful idiots" phrase, of which I'm sure you know the meaning of.
"And the dumb arse Trump nutters are trying to keep powerless people down." - Not true. Have a look at the Kimberley Klacik campaign video that went viral as a great example.
"That's the way fascism has always worked. It's always about punching down. Who again are the fascists?" - Were the angry mob of BLM supporters that outnumbered and surrounded restaurant patrons, aggressively demanding that they raise their fists to demonstrate their allegiance to the cause not punching down?
"De-platforming the racists and the bigots is to protect the powerless."
Of course, who gets to decide who or what is racist or bigoted?
The mob?
That's the crux of the matter.
And as shown by some of attitudes on this site, you really don't want inflexible, sanctimonious people making heavy and consequential decisions like that.
"Of course, who gets to decide who or what is racist or bigoted?"
It's actually not a hard to decide who is a racist. I can provide you with a short list to kick start the discussion.
1. Hanson
2. Fraser Anning
3. Trump
4. The Proud Boys
5. Chinese people who target ethnic minorities in China
6. Avi Yemini, Southern, Loomer and the other racist grifters.
7. The mob that marched through the uni in Virginia chanting "The Jews will not replace us"
8. The dog who murdered 51 people in Christchurch
9. Half the Sky News after Dark Team
10. Alan Jones.
I'd really love to know if anyone thinks a person doesn't belong on this list, and why.
Oh And Andrew Bolt because he's a convicted racist.
Fucking classic strawman Vic.
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