New Victoria restrictions

Just curious what state do you live in Mr Nobody?

Hi GF,

Some people might say I live in a state of confusion, but the proper answer is I live in Victoria.

I wasn’t trying to give Billy a hard time. I am genuinely concerned about how things will play out longer term for young people. I have kids who are young adults.

I just felt I wanted to add some additional thoughts.

All the best.

BTW, I just looked back and saw Billy is over 50, so not a "young" person. My mistake.

Fair enough Mr N.
State of confusion is right. Hope you’re doing ok

State of bliss is where we'd all love to live.

But for now, some have to make do with the state of denial. I think it shares a border with the state of confusion and the disheveled state.

It's all been really weird the political fight on this one. I find myself on the side of getting the outbreak under control/making it very negligible - for self interest reasons, but also seeing places like WA that can operate as 'normal' without a virus threat. In this respect I guess I'm on the 'left' on this one. If you are in an area where the virus didn't get to, that is the goal, to make this area like your area.

Extra weird has been living in Vic while it happened. Other states are not affected as we have been. And us in the regions nowhere near as heavy as the Melbourne situation. How nice will it be to get the numbers so low that the Melbourne crew can surf again, and the coastal crew need not be concerned about virus growing in the town.

An anchor in the weirdness has been all the medical staff I know. They have been concerned, really worried, more calm, and now a bit more confident. I chose to listen to them. Medically, a couple of scary moments, but overall - so far so good.

And politically, the quarantine hotels were a shocker and it seems no-one will be found accountable; what happened in the nursing homes was appalling; protesting when numbers were clearly dropping was a strange choice; and Dan has almost gotten the virus to near elimination stage, which is a remarkable result and is thanks to regional and Melbourne people acting/being forced to act in a way that stop its spread. #1 rule of a pandemic (if you believe that is what it is) is stop transmission to stop virus. Watching Europe's numbers go high again as the cold arrives is eye opening. Everyone who voted for Dan and now won't, well, here I find myself going against the flow once more...

I find work wishes me back (nice), but I'm going to be cautious in how I go back. I've used the downtime to build capital equipment for future businesses. We are going to rebound hard, especially in the regions.

Economy, it's going to be a mess. Our entire family got nixed which was part choice (isolate the vulnerable). Luckily the kids got Jobseeker, us parents held our breath. Getting back to levels of employment might be a challenge, or we might be in the right place and are run off our feet. Or we might just launch new concerns with very low cost bases. But overall I have faith in CTRL_P despite the protestations of the monetary libertarian within; we can and will print ourselves back into the busyness that was making so many of us say 'enough', 'give the environment a break', etc. It was kind of nice seeing the population ponzi take a big kick to the nuts though

(Edit: Scomo is saying economy will be rebuilt on Manufacturing? Dream come true, a really John Curtin/Ben Chiefly thing to do!)

And as a postscript, just had a family member with a medical emergency that could have been life threatening. Thank goodness they were in WA rather than an overseas system which could be under strain with this virus.

VJ - Whilst we may not agree on voting Dan in next time, I really respect the way you’ve laid out your view, and agree with many of your points on Australia vs rest of world. Well said.

The lockdown for Vic has worked in crushing the virus, absolutely no doubt whatsoever. It’s also crushed a lot of other things, but I believe the pain will be worth it if we can get to living again like the rest of Australia is. And let’s not forget, the rest of Australia is living like the rest of the world (Europe especially) has been trying to in terms of freedom to do what they want, except with the added bonus of no virus.

What is driving me insane now more than anything is the “restrictions on the run” type approach and what feels a like permanent police state that will be around for quite some time. So many of the rules don’t make sense, I don’t wanna list them all, but we know the ones. There are now so many that do not have any medical, scientific, data based reasoning. I can cop another 3 weeks, have mentally set myself for Oct 19, but fuck if we don’t get some freedom to live a bit back then it’ll crush me.

Final points, our society is really broken down here in Vic right now, people fear each other, you can feel it out in the streets, it’s awful. The masks outdoors have gotta go in 3 weeks so people can smile at each other again. It may sound a bit lovey dovey but we need to rebuild society to be happy again. Remember back to early days of lockdown initially in March/April, people were friendlier as we were all in it together as a species, globally. People would smile at each other out walking and doing their thing, keeping their distance but being friendly. Now we all have to hide behind these masks, the heat will come, they gotta go for the outdoors, on the times ive gone fuck it and not worn mine when nobody is around, you forget just how good it feels to breathe in fresh air. The fact regional VIC still have to wear them outdoors when in so many areas there is no, and has never been a case, is really quite disturbing from this government.

Good on you DX3, I'm sure you'll get out and able to travel. Re: people being fearful of each other, yes, I went through that, it takes time to overcome, I'm getting there but still a bit skittish - it's so weird trying to explain it to others who haven't been in the situation. And no one around, breathe, fresh air is good for us.

Re: restrictions on the run, I can't help you there and it will get crazier, check this out:
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/home-quarantine-back-on-the-agen...
The comments from Victorians are worth a read! Certainly tempting fate with another round of community transmission from Scomo's side. (Two lockdowns is enough)

Also this one was a good reference to said kick in nuts of ponzi:

https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/politics/federal/housing-demand-to-coll...

Funnily enough, if I ever had the pleasure of being able to travel outside Australia again, I’d actually choose an ankle bracelet at home over 2 weeks in a confined hotel room at a cost of $3,000, but I like my home and I have 2 young kids so that would suit me personally better, provided we could play in our outdoor garden of course!

Heck, we’re dealing with curfews, masks, 5km limits, 1 hour exercise a day. An ankle bracelet is nothing anymore. What a world hey?

Stranger than fiction! One funny outcome of all of this for me is not a desire to travel so much as to be as far away from civilisation as I could be - but the twist is, I can't.

Did you get any hobby projects done DX3? We're about to try hydroponics. For strawberries. Honest.

No real hobbies as such VJ, teaching my son to ride a bike recently, I'm running a lot, more than ever before as it's a legal way to be outside without a mask so enjoying that plus the fitness benefits.

It's funny going for a run, I'm free to do that as I please, breathing heavily as I go and nobody seems to care. But walk down the street without a mask or with it around your chin/not covering your nose and you're looked at like a criminal.

The other thing I'd say about mandated mask wearing outdoors, once borders start to re-open, I wonder if Dan understands how much mandated mask wearing only in Victoria would drag on the economy, considering visitor numbers/tourism impact.

As Dan now hauntingly said back in May about visiting SA "why would you want to go there?". That very question will be flipped back on Victoria, and even Victorians themselves when looking to holiday will absolutely look interstate now more than ever, as leaving this state will be a sense of freedom, and those outside the state won't want to visit knowing they have to wear masks for the duration of their holiday.

Mandatory mask wearing a drag on Vic tourism? Oh please Dx3.
Mask wearing is a low cost and a very effective way at slowing the spread of covid 19.
You know what is a big drag on tourism? People not wanting to go to areas with high infection rates. English tourism is non-existent. Their industry has been decimated.
I'd rather go visit a place wearing a mask, than not wanting to visit a place and risk my health. There's no tourism industry if the virus is out of control.

Qldurrz are not as cozy as you'd think.
Only the dying get medical assist of professional nature.
tbb can't read this with his left eye but hospital keep knocking me back.
velocityjohnno (Cheers!) tbb's health...physio bill each 2 weeks & getting worse!
Pool is starting to slowly warm up...not soon enough.
Waiting on a blood test from over a year ago...no eta & tbb fights for assist.
If you don't state yer case repeatedly the'll bump you off as quick as that.
Continual headache & tooth decay but get knocked back for dental assist.
Got a quote for $3000 and only if dentist is kind enough to take my money...(True!)
Yes! tbb is disabled with a healthcare card but it's worth $zero in Qld 2020.
2x Govt $750 won't cover tbb's $5,000 covid bill. (Not complaining, just saying!)

Joh's Police State 2020 Comeback Tour wins over 75%-85% fans at each gig.

Facto touched on Qld Wall (Anna's wall is now bigger than Trump's knock off)
Workers Party version ... Don't tear it down...

Milking the same ol' song ...Sun' nite tbb was showered by Bug'z Spray...
@ proposed Palmy WSR Light Rail Stn > "WSR Lego +Timeshare Trolley + Sharks"
Nope! Nope! Nope! ...Bug'z electoral elixir was Covid 19 + Covid 19 + Covid 19.
tbb is not criticising the Champ...far from it, he's friendly, sincere & a great orator.
Hands down the best any will hear on Covid 19...but zero time for anything else!
https://www.facebook.com/pg/WayneRabbitBartholomew/posts/

PM & Vic may think that Qldurrz are well...we're still too mortified to answer.
We're still painting the town yellow & run outta floor & wall space for stickerz.
Qldurrz are increasingly adopting & enforcing mask wearing for right of entry.
Sure! It sounds odd but the Masks may stay on even if Dan orders them off.
Banks & Medicos & you're right Dx3 the smile goes & with it the trust & hospitality.

Practises you've supported for 30 years demand further proof of I.D...(But it's me!)
Then be shirtfronted to complete a new signature validation...did we just do this.
Same bank recently denied my mum a cash withdrawal for being elderly.
Make matters worse...I left thanking them endlessly as if I was a freed fugitive.

tbb is now frowned upon as a crim & receives death stares for assisting elderly.

Here's how acts of kindness are now forbidden...
Man in walking frame loses his jumper...tbb asks & gent nods for help.
Nearby in seating tbb cops an endless death stare for touching his jumper.

Again, Elderly lady loses medicare card...tbb asks if it's hers & if she needs a hand.
Yep! Then all around waiting area folk stare & whisper as if tbb is a demon.
No! Don't even go there! tbb had sanitised his helping hands ...3/4/5 times prior.

tbb can relate to Vic Dobbathon that speed dial such horrific acts of elder abuse.

No longer wish to be escorted off buses for failing to tap once. (All stare at crim!)
Why! Why! "Coz you changed tap to Pink when all others are yellow...durr!" Kill me!

tbb lives by a humble code like many Aussies...never walk over litter.
Always pick it up, as many crew here would do...
Not now! Anyone & all forbid tbb his death wish. No! No! & No! Just move on...

World is sick, looks like shit, press the wrong buttons & treat oldies like dirt.
Seriously! Opening the door for a lady is now sexual assault...dobber > [0][0][0]
ACA Tracy : "You cruel pig of a man, sit waiting to pounce on the weaker sex!" WTF

This is not some joke...tbb's Mum & friend/s maybe...all chorus "Do not engage".
Qld has not yet found any lockdown exit to normality...far from it... Sorry Guys!

Qldurrz dedicate cousin Vic Police State...that song they dream about every night!

VicLocal - You're the opposite of VJ, where he brings out the best in people you bring out the worst. "Angry online, smiley in the brine" Tagline of a keyboard warrior.

When I'm talking mandated mask wearing, I'm talking about once we have well and truly got on top of this thing. Were they needed at 400-700 cases a day? Yes. Are they needed outdoors in regional Vic now with such low numbers? No. Should they be needed in metro melbourne outdoors when we get down to our targets? No.

Sure, wear them when you go inside the shops, on public transport etc but not at the park/beach/walking the streets. Funny thing is with hospitality venues, it'll be a case of walking to the venue outside, mask on. Get to the venue and head inside and off comes the mask as you're sitting there eating and drinking. Tell me again what purpose the masks serve?

If Victoria continues to be the masked state, we'll never get rid of the stained image that we have right now, and as I said, nobody from other states will want to come here.

"I'd rather go visit a place wearing a mask"

Told you folks... Comic genius!

I’m looking forward to the time when the fear mongering is rightly ridiculed and the fear mongers are shamed for metaphorically calling fire in a crowded theatre .

Minimum 99.5 percent survival rate for anyone under the age of 70.

94.6 percent survival rate for anyone over 70.

"Funny thing is with hospitality venues, it'll be a case of walking to the venue outside, mask on. Get to the venue and head inside and off comes the mask as you're sitting there eating and drinking. Tell me again what purpose the masks serve?"
You do realise that mask wearing is effective at reducing infection spread and hospo venues reopening is absolutely reliant on low infection rates. Do I need to draw you a picture?

Totally agree Dx3 - mask wearing needs to drop if we have any hope of drawing back tourists. It's a hugely symbolic thing in Australia and as a country we're still no where near our Asian neighbors in terms of making mask wearing socially normal. It's somewhat normal in Victoria now, but a complete novelty/pisstake for most other states.

Personally I hate the things. For me they're unhygienic, uncomfortable and makes it slightly harder to breath. Also hard to communicate effectively (can't smile/lipread/use facial gestures). I use the reusable ones as I can't fathom the needless additional waste of the single use masks. As it's getting warmer, and it's hay fever season my face gets itchy, and my nose sweats a bit....I can only assume they're loaded with bacteria. guess that's not the worst thing as it may keep my immune system working.

But yeah, they're shit and something we should all be aiming to remove as soon as practical.

VicLocal - my word are you good at missing the point completely. Did you see my bit about them not being needed OUTDOORS once our case numbers are so low/non-existent? You really want us to be the masked state for good?

Answer me this then on the hospo part, if masks are so incredible at reducing the spread of the virus, what use is wearing them outside on your way to the pub then taking it off once you get inside to have your food & drink and chat to your mates? Defeats the purpose of wearing it outdoors, unless did the virus disappear from you once you stepped inside?? Weird, I thought it was more likely to be transmitted indoors than outdoors.

Make the masks optional outdoors when we crush the numbers in the community. Those that are vulnerable continue to wear them as they choose. Easy solution.

"I’m looking forward to the time when the fear mongering is rightly ridiculed and the fear mongers are shamed for metaphorically calling fire in a crowded theatre “

Jawhol Herr Blowie,
Let the old die? You’re fucking turd with ears mate, a shallow self-centred piece of shit that cares for nothing but your own convenience. Crawl back in your hole and die.

The reality

US death rate 0.00063
UK death rate 0.00063
(yep they're the same)
Australian death rate 0.000035
So their death rate is 18 times ours. If we had pursued their policies we would have had approximately an extra 15,000 deaths.

Who said let the old die ? Why can’t the old and vulnerable isolate themselves voluntarily ?

Strange how you don’t consider it selfish to insist that the 99.9 percent of people in Australia who will survive the virus should abandon their lives , freedoms and livelihoods in the unproven and scientifically disputed outrage of house arrest just to protect a tiny percentage of the population who could easily isolate voluntarily.

Herr Blowie ? You’re the one who is insisting- despite no medical or scientific evidence of efficacy- that million upon millions of people should be forced by authorities to forgive their freedoms. If that’s not totalitarianism I don’t know what is.

BTW....Remember to mind your language if you want to hold the high moral ground when you start bitch whining about people insulting you in the future.

"You’re fucking turd with ears mate, a shallow self-centred piece of shit that cares for nothing but your own convenience. Crawl back in your hole and die."

It amazes me that someone who likes to portray the image of Mr Perfect when it comes to respecting peoples race and religion and gender and treating your fellow man with the utmost respect can then come out and say something like that.
To someone they have never met and don't even know at that!
extraordinary

"It amazes me that someone who likes to portray the image of Mr Perfect..."

You've got me confused with someone else there mate. Look back at my posts. If you don’t like the tone here maybe just fuck off because I will continue to describe ignorant arseholes in whatever language I feel appropriate

So back to that pimple on the arse of humanity who wants to lie about what he has said.

Observing social distancing and competent case tracking should be enough from this point.
TUESDAY, 8 SEP 2020 at 10:28AM

The lockdowns are a political pisstake designed purely to save the career of a premier and not based on anything realistic at all.
TUESDAY, 8 SEP 2020 at 12:06PM

Turns out that there was no expert medical advice behind Dictator Dan’s world beating punitive lockdown . The medical experts claimed there was no advantage to such drastic measures but Dan implemented them anyway.
TUESDAY, 8 SEP 2020 at 7:50PM

So over a long period he has argued, against all available evidence, that the lockdowns were unnecessary…….but will he admit it nah, he’s a little fella, can’t stand up and say “ I was wrong, my suggestions would have cost thousands of lives maybe killed your mum or your grandad.”
Nah he’s way too small to do that! Just a loudmouth fuckwit with nothing behind his views but profound ignorance.

Lockdowns weren’t necessary. There is not a shred of evidence that merely protecting the vulnerable wouldn’t have resulted in exactly the same outcome. You will be forced to accept this when cases start racking up again and another lockdown is not viable. Then another more appropriate response to the virus will be considered.

But yeah....maybe BB has had too much coffee ? Maybe it’s male menopause ? Not much appeal in voluntarily engaging with someone like that.

No confusion here and I'm guessing you'll be the one fucking off for another spell on the sidelines soon when you get too flustered and forget that this is just nonsense internet banter that has no impact on your day to day life whatsoever. You can log off and your life will not have been impacted by the swellnet forums one tiny little bit!
Anyway, carry on.

No mate, as I said to Andy Pandy the other day my heart rate is a pretty steady 60bpm as I write but yeh poor Blowie got his knickers in a knot a while back and accepted the umpire's suggestion that he have a little rest.

"Lockdowns weren't necessary". Why because Blowie said so and that should be the end of the matter...in his world. For the rest of us , the difference in the death rate between Australia and countries which did not not lockdown (18 times greater) proves his head his somewhere north of his anus on this issue....and numerous others….. but let's not get distracted, let's look at Adolf, sorry Blowie's alternative. Lock up the over 60s.

There are at least four million Australians over 60. So they all stay home for what? 18 months from start of pandemic to general availability of the vaccine. During this time they cannot go to the shops or anywhere else and cannot have visitors under 60. Of course we could just round them all up and stick them in camps which would simplify the management and be in line with Blowie’s general views on what to do with people whose existence he finds inconvenient.
Then there is the issue that the rest keep spreading the virus. So far there have been 20 deaths from Covid in the under 60s. That is with the lockdown. Without the lockdown, comparing to the US and UK, that figure would be 360 by now and increasing rapidly……so mates, siblings, workmates…..dead. What Blowie and the rest of the fascist fucks forget is these are not numbers they are real people with names and families. Under the Blowilition we would very probably end up with thousands of young people dead because the virus would still be spreading. So pull your head out from your arse dickhead, take a breath of fresh air and try to stop sprouting obnoxious illogical bullshit.

What a mindless grub you are Blowfly.

So full of hot air and vitriol.

'how's the hostility?'

(in a 'the castle' voice)

"...It amazes me that someone who likes to portray the image of Mr Perfect when it comes to respecting peoples race and religion and gender and treating your fellow man with the utmost respect can then come out and say something like that.
To someone they have never met and don't even know at that!
extraordinary"

good onya goofy, you and zen are like the patron saints on here for me, never getting involved in the hostile to and fro, you guys avoid it like the plague, go out of your way to not get involved, despite the usual suspects spinning their web ...respect to you both

good on you for calling him out

Oh please forgive my vulgarity! Ha ha ha anonymous internet commentators disaprove of me.....oh no I'll rush off and eat dirt! So what have got? Not one of you can come up with a rational argument against what I have said ....... you just want to go on diving down into the common septic tank of your ignorance, spreading bullshit and misinformation and ignore the fact that those opinions are out there in public and have real harmful consequences.......or is that the point? Do you really support Blowie's bullshit and just want the inconvenience over and fuck the consequences? Sounds like it to me.

"Lockdowns weren’t necessary."
wow, I'm so confused. Who should I believe? The medical experts who have overseen a drop in case numbers from the 700s to single digits in Vic, or the guy with more sign in names than days of medical training?
Should I go with blowin / dude sweet dude sweet on swellnet, or that expert in public health, Doctor Sutton with his decades of specialised medical expertise?

"Lockdowns weren’t necessary. There is not a shred of evidence that merely protecting the vulnerable wouldn’t have resulted in exactly the same outcome. You will be forced to accept this when cases start racking up again and another lockdown is not viable. Then another more appropriate response to the virus will be considered."

I think you are overstating it a bit there. lockdowns were neccesary at the start, even if there was no evidence as to their effectiveness, they served (and serve...) a purpose

but yeh, we've got to look at other ways now

its most interestng that we are so quickly back into either/or land re. politics and the corona virus

where lefty nutters want to shut everything down, and everyone away, where no measure or draconian method appears too much for them...

and the right wing nutters have gone full freedom fighter, anti masker, libertarian constitution quoters...

odd world we're in

surely not that hard to negotiate some middle ground?

I like your vulgarity, I like you fired up...

but it is unbearable when you go all whingey school yard dobber... 'they're bullying me...'

the hypocrisy burns

again....

"...The reality

US death rate 0.00063
UK death rate 0.00063
(yep they're the same)
Australian death rate 0.000035
So their death rate is 18 times ours. If we had pursued their policies we would have had approximately an extra 15,000 deaths."

comparisons like this are rather simplistic tbh

bordering on bullshit

People you should never go to for advice re covid 19: Donald Trump, Celebrity Chefs, Sam Newman, failed property developers, rugba league players or their WAGs, and blowin / DSDS.
People you should listen to: Medical Experts.
FFS people. How hard is this to understand?

https://fee.org/articles/world-leading-infectious-disease-expert-governm...

Mmmm...who to believe ? A world leading infectious diseases expert or a shouty internet flog ?

If you’re scared bloke go hide yourself away forever . No one is stopping you from barring the door and pulling the blinds on a virus which doesn’t kill 99.99 percent of the population.

Your opinions are dangerous and you should be canceled....lol.

Wow blowin. Your opinions are common place in the USA and what a shit show that place is due to anti-science crackpots.
Personally, I could give a shit if you believe the sky is orange, unicorns are real, and the world is flat. That's harmless.
I do give a shit when you started spreading racism and BS medical advice because that crap has consequences. You're a danger to others, you complete imbecile.

"......that most, if not all, covid-19 deaths will still happen when measures are relaxed—unless effective treatments and/or vaccines emerge. "

Which totally undermines his argument given that we are well on the way to getting a vaccine.......clinging to straws there Blowie. Got any new bullshit? I have put the numbers up. Check them if you like. 18 times the death rate in the US and UK......and you apparently still think (is that the right word?) it would have been better to go the same way.....or have you got some new variation on your position. Yeh let's go through your full usual routine, dodge dodge dodge, run away!

"septic tank of your ignorance, spreading bullshit and misinformation"

The sad thing is Blowfly, you're not bright enough to realise that you embody so much of what you hate in other people.

Show me the scientific evidence that we would not be in the exact same position of fatalities had we just had voluntary isolation for vulnerable people.

Well mate if I'm so dumb, prove me wrong on this issue.

AndyM, the difference between blowfly and blowin is, blowfly's opinions are consistent with the vast majority of experts, and it's very easy to point to examples of how various social distancing measures have lowered infection rates. blowin, on the other hand, has a contrarian opinion to the vast majority of experts, comes up with FA examples to back up his claims, and he is wilfully ignorant of the consequences of his anti-lockdown attitude.
blowfly believes in the best available science. blowin spreads dangerous conspiracy theories.

Mate you didn't even know the meaning of authoritarian and when it was (quite reasonably at first) pointed out to you, you had yet another dump in your nappy.

You represent so much that is wrong with modern discourse - rigid, tribal, binary thinking with a massively fragile ego to top it off.

Intellectually dishonest just for the sake of a short-sighted win. Blindboy indeed.

Obviously the lockdown has destroyed the economy. It's all over the news, the paper, its widely accepted as the cause of economic slowdowns here and overseas.

There are some bleeding hearts here who think preserving any life is worth the hardship many will face. Newsflash: it's not. Why? Because deep down we as a society dont actually believe it is.

If we did, as I stated before in this thread, it would be commonplace for people to share their wealth with strangers.

Who on this forum would downgrade their house to buy one for a homeless single mum living in her car with 2 kids ? Or to house a homeless old drunk. NONE of you bleeding hearts would. No one would. And yet both actions would result in an increase in lifespan.

Why, as a society, are we being expected to do just this now?

I mean, I get going through some economic hardship for relatives and friends, but at other times we dont expect each other to go through economic hardship for total strangers so isn't it hypocritical and a total imposition on our freedom, that our govt expects us to do this now?

As far as I know that has not been tried anywhere as it is impractical and ineffective........but there you go again asserting random opinions and expecting me to disprove them. In the real world people provide evidence for their views. Anyway, let me give it a go. You see when you lockdown all the vulnerable people that does not stop the virus circulating amongst the others and some of them will die and they will die at the same rate as in countries with similar policies ....that is 18 times the rate in Australia which means under your policy we would have had around 360 deaths in young people as opposed to the twenty we have had so far. Then there is the problem that the virus would still be widespread in the community and so that number would be rising rapidly while now it is actually decreasing. In short your approach was certain to cause thousands of unnecessary deaths. I don't mond discussing this but FFS don't ask me to explain this again. I have been doing it for two days now and no-one has come up with a counter argument and honestly I don't see that there is one. You were wrong and spreading bullshit....yet again.

Vic, what you've said may or may not be true but in my experience Blowin tends to treat people with a hell of a lot more respect that the 'fly does.
Blowfly is the undisputed king of Swellnet tanties.

Whee hoo, they're all out now! This is more fun than shooting fish in a barrel though I admit to never having done that, but it sounds like fun......but this, this is comedy gold. What more could a bloke want on a windy afternoon stuck at home with a tooth ache, better than novocaine!
Let's start with Mr Pandy
"Intellectually dishonest". How? I put up the figures, I explained how they demonstrated that Blowie's policies would have resulted in thousands of extra deaths and no-one has come up with a counter argument. Intellectually dishonest? Nah mate it's a straight forward argument backed up by evidence. What have you got? Nothing, going on past efforts.

"Blowfly is the undisputed king of Swellnet..."

Aaah thank you Andy, I never knew you cared.

Haha, again your powers of reading and comprehension are a bit suss.

Haha, again your powers of reading and comprehension are a bit suss.