All Things Religion Thread
Roadkill wrote:Nick Bone wrote:1st post here. Question - Do you think science has the potential to disprove religion? If so, when you think they’ll have the required evidence?
You’re getting confused. Science doesn’t work like that. The burden of proof is with those making the claims.
Also, religion is 100% real. However the claim made by followers is where the BS is exposed and evidence is non existent.
Science is basically about the ‘null hypothesis’
Religion is about NOTHING at all. AW
Optimist wrote:I see you boys have been busy….if you just ask God the question in Jesus name..….deep down from your heart….He will respond….if your fair dinkum that is….then, a leap of faith becomes a very real reality once the chief gets involved in your life.
For those who go for it…Enjoy the ride!
And in strong evangelical movements, those who "go for it" often fracture their relationships with those outside the faith bubble into yawning chasms. It ain't all peace and love being offered.
I had to explain to a relogious relative once that their "good" intentions to recruit another to their flock, if successful, would probably split up my marriage.
Quiet old style, mind their own business, christians are fine by me.
But the evangelical "change your whole life" types leave a trail of fractures across family and friendship networks they never admit to.
But deep down i think they know what they have done.
That is why they have to create the faith bubble within which they endlessly repeat that they are doing good - to stave off the guilt.
What you’re saying doesn't make sense. Unless you deliberately want to hold someone back from their personal walk or a destiny.
Some of my closest friends are non Christian guys whose wives became Christian’s and we met each other through church lunches / functions etc.
One guy in particular is like a brother to me even though he isn’t interested in Christ like his wife is, we surf and fish together and would do anything for each other. I pray for him but rarely preach to him as we know where each other stands.
The bible also says that if a believer is happy to stay with a non believer spouse that’s great so be it.
So, your argument doesn’t stack up frog but perhaps your fear of change does.
Let everyone follow the path set for them and let everyone else including spouses be pleased that they are searching for answers in life and be supportive and don’t hold people back.
Jay Dubs and mormons and other cults excluded though ha ha. No freaky stuff.
Optimist wrote:What you’re saying doesn't make sense. Unless you deliberately want to hold someone back from their personal walk or a destiny.
Some of my closest friends are non Christian guys whose wives became Christian’s and we met each other through church lunches / functions etc.
One guy in particular is like a brother to me even though he isn’t interested in Christ like his wife is, we surf and fish together and would do anything for each other. I pray for him but rarely preach to him as we know where each other stands.
The bible also says that if a believer is happy to stay with a non believer spouse that’s great so be it.
So, your argument doesn’t stack up frog but perhaps your fear of change does.
Let everyone follow the path set for them and let everyone else including spouses be pleased that they are searching for answers in life and be supportive and don’t hold people back.
Jay Dubs and mormons and other cults excluded though ha ha. No freaky stuff.
“What you’re saying doesn't make sense.”
The irony coming from floptimist is hilarious, being that it is unintentional makes it even more hilarious.
Optimist wrote:What you’re saying doesn't make sense. Unless you deliberately want to hold someone back from their personal walk or a destiny.
Some of my closest friends are non Christian guys whose wives became Christian’s and we met each other through church lunches / functions etc.
One guy in particular is like a brother to me even though he isn’t interested in Christ like his wife is, we surf and fish together and would do anything for each other. I pray for him but rarely preach to him as we know where each other stands.
The bible also says that if a believer is happy to stay with a non believer spouse that’s great so be it.
So, your argument doesn’t stack up frog but perhaps your fear of change does.
Let everyone follow the path set for them and let everyone else including spouses be pleased that they are searching for answers in life and be supportive and don’t hold people back.
Jay Dubs and mormons and other cults excluded though ha ha. No freaky stuff.
I like that, i dont mind Christians when they dont preach or try to convert.
Its all about mutual respect, people should respect others right to believe, but also those who believe should respect others right not to believe or right not to be bible bashed.
Paul Kingsnorth is great, and this is good:
https://unherd.com/2023/05/is-there-anything-left-to-conserve/
no offence to you IB but that was a complete crock of shit of an article.
No offence taken, but I really enjoyed it.
Dear God,
Save me from your followers.
Island Bay wrote:Paul Kingsnorth is great, and this is good:
https://unherd.com/2023/05/is-there-anything-left-to-conserve/
I think many belief systems gave degrees structure and coherence to various societies. Tribal law, Greek Gods, Egyptian Gods witchdoctor inventions, Christianity, Judaism etc.
I have an old book detailing many American Indian tribe's belief systems. These were so diverse from tribe to tribe and complex they make your head spin. The books is actually very hard to read due to the density of ideas and convoluted concepts. Anyone who seeks to generalise that the American First Nation people believed "such and such" has little idea.
Within each tribe they probably made sense and worked to bond members and guide behaviour in their time and place. But looking back in the context of today they do not really have a neat answer for our individual and societal problems going forward. This is particularly so now we have enough knowledge to show that many were built on feet of clay in terms of logic and explanation of the world around us. They were inventions of man to explain the unexplainable in far off days. Usually, they were weaker on the "meaning of life" stuff and strong on prescriptive behaviour and ritual to keep the tribe busy and controllable.
Without belief that the feet of the edifice are in fact solid rock, the whole thing starts to crumble away.
Most religions face that same challenge today. Belief is still strong among many, but they have to work much harder to sustain it within their flock or transfer it than ever before.
Paul Kingsnorth is correct that many aspects of modern society are unravelling in part due to a lack of share values and beliefs. But his solution to turn to Christianity does not address the "feet of clay" issue. The level of doubt is too great for the masses to just return to former patterns of belief and behaviour in a mass movement based on lots of preaching, internet posts and because it might just help give society more coherence.
He admits this in his final sentences:
"What can we do when there’s nothing left to conserve? Pray."
To "Pray" in his mind is an answer to a complex set of problems he has presented. But such an answer is also glib, simplistic and an admission of the lack of an answer (as is usually the case with prayer).
Now if his God is watching and concerned with all this he could let everyone stumble into a difficult future. Or else, tomorrow he could appear on top of the Eiffel Tower as a 100 foot tall bearded man in flowing robes and tell everyone what the deal is. The belief feet of clay could be made rock in an instant - live on TV.
Why he does not do something like that is the unanswered mystery the believers sidestep over and over.
Is God really good if people are getting divorced, children and women are abused and crime increases by the minute?
Unfortunately , we want to measure the goodness of God against how well we are doing.
Goodness is not something that God does, it’s who He is.
The story of creation tells of how He smiled and said “ that it was good”.
Still today the heavens are calling out that God is good and all of creation sings of His goodness….Perhaps we can all join that creation choir and by realising the goodness of God and putting that love into practice, everything will fall into place for us and our world.
frog wrote:Island Bay wrote:Paul Kingsnorth is great, and this is good:
https://unherd.com/2023/05/is-there-anything-left-to-conserve/I think many belief systems gave degrees structure and coherence to various societies. Tribal law, Greek Gods, Egyptian Gods witchdoctor inventions, Christianity, Judaism etc.
I have an old book detailing many American Indian tribe's belief systems. These were so diverse from tribe to tribe and complex they make your head spin. The books is actually very hard to read due to the density of ideas and convoluted concepts. Anyone who seeks to generalise that the American First Nation people believed "such and such" has little idea.
Within each tribe they probably made sense and worked to bond members and guide behaviour in their time and place. But looking back in the context of today they do not really have a neat answer for our individual and societal problems going forward. This is particularly so now we have enough knowledge to show that many were built on feet of clay in terms of logic and explanation of the world around us. They were inventions of man to explain the unexplainable in far off days. Usually, they were weaker on the "meaning of life" stuff and strong on prescriptive behaviour and ritual to keep the tribe busy and controllable.
Without belief that the feet of the edifice are in fact solid rock, the whole thing starts to crumble away.
Most religions face that same challenge today. Belief is still strong among many, but they have to work much harder to sustain it within their flock or transfer it than ever before.
Paul Kingsnorth is correct that many aspects of modern society are unravelling in part due to a lack of share values and beliefs. But his solution to turn to Christianity does not address the "feet of clay" issue. The level of doubt is too great for the masses to just return to former patterns of belief and behaviour in a mass movement based on lots of preaching, internet posts and because it might just help give society more coherence.
He admits this in his final sentences:
"What can we do when there’s nothing left to conserve? Pray."
To "Pray" in his mind is an answer to a complex set of problems he has presented. But such an answer is also glib, simplistic and an admission of the lack of an answer (as is usually the case with prayer).
Now if his God is watching and concerned with all this he could let everyone stumble into a difficult future. Or else, tomorrow he could appear on top of the Eiffel Tower as a 100 foot tall bearded man in flowing robes and tell everyone what the deal is. The belief feet of clay could be made rock in an instant - live on TV.
Why he does not do something like that is the unanswered mystery the believers sidestep over and over.
Good post, i agree with a lot of that.
I cant believe in religion/god, i really kind of wish, biut i could just cant.
But i think religion in general provides society a type of important structure.
I think our society or more so western society is destroying itself slowly and i think a lot of that has a lot to do with the loss of religion and people seeking almost a new religion in crazy social and political movements.
Complicated times. Fragmentation is at work as people head down strange and not so strange internet enabled paths
But at the same time, globalists are striving to push their big brother style narratives upon the world to make us all think as they desire us to.
Neither are necessarily paths that are coherent, transparent or in our best interests.
Christianity at least had its foundations in people documenting principles of behaviour that had become known over long periods to make society and family life work. The intent of the parables and biblical stories was good.
Now forces at work are somewhat more random or driven by power and money or simply automated monetisation . There is no certainty at all that this will lead somewhere good.
Hopefully pendulums that swing too far swing back eventually.
Turning back to religion on mass as the answer is very unlikely now the "doubt genie" is out of the bottle and dancing about.
Sorry Island bay, I forgot to say what an excellent post . That’s what we like to see here on this forum….interesting discussion on where we are heading on our current trajectory….. what was ,what is and what is to come.
wasn't it God fearing Christians who believed the Lord would endlessly provide who set this all up for the past 1000 years? The mining magnates, the vast deforestation programs, the industrialising of fisheries and animals for meat? And the countries continuing to do a heck of a lot of damage seem to be those with strong religious underpinnings.. as this inherited history comes to a crescendo, seems we need to grow up a bit.
You’re not really with it are you…..no it wasn’t…watch “The Chosen “ use the free app from Angel studios.
Then you will understand the Real Jesus and where we should be heading rather than what some thoughtless people have done to our world.
Opti, do animals go to heaven? Or is it strictly for humans with bigger brains to imagine this whole thing up because they missed their loved ones
No, I guess I'm not with 'it' Optimist. I completely understand real morality, real compassion, real community, real love. And reflection, forgiveness, and doing better with your life. Christianity didn't invent those things any more than It invented stone buildings, stain-glass, lovely words or beautiful music.
The success of Christianity owes much to Western Hemisphere might. And according to opti….might is rite Guns Germs Steel…….Jeebus. Boom.
interesting article IB.
Ahh yes, western civilisation continues to white ant itself from the inside out, and is hellbent on one final act of self destruction from the outside in.
Internally, the woke mind virus eats away at and decays the founding pillars of western civilisation: western Christianity, science and reason, a belief in material progress and prosperity, etc. Left in its path is a descent and degeneration into a prescription medication and social media intoxicated stupor of valueless, directionless, victim mentality cesspit of subjective post-postmodern nihilism, disillusion, depression and anxiety. (Also add to that debt fuelled poor economic management...)
Externally, over 2,000 years of history finally comes to its inevitable and spectacular climax in the form of the meeting and bumping of heads on relatively equal terms of the two great civilisations of humanity: the western caucasian, Christian crusaders, and the eastern Confucius, Yellow River peoples.
Since time immemorial, these two advanced civilisations jockeyed for the pole position of claiming rights to being the most developed, advanced and civilised peoples on the planet, with neither ever winning out until the mid 1800s. And previously, the technological development of humanity constrained and limited their contact to only light, friendly, sporadic occurrences, and mostly via land.
But this time is different.
After being set back a century or so in their development due to being conquered by the hands of the western Christian crusaders armed with their maritime navy technology from the industrial revolution, the Yellow River peoples, badly humiliated and left largely in poverty and disarray (and addicted to opium), had only one choice: to regroup and start from scratch.
But every journey starts with one single step.
Not to be disheartened, and drawing on a seemingly magical continuous thread of values, mindset and culture - of "corporate memory", an Ariadne's thread - that has held their civilisation together unbroken for over 5,000 years (as well as drawing on the new industrial revolution technology), the Yellow River peoples at first closed their doors and turned their backs to the brutal and unjust outside world, and with Russia's (occasional) help set off on a bumpy and at times painful and downright heartbreaking path and journey of development and improvement of their living standards - of trying to find their way and place in the new modern, industrial and technological era.
Having reached a moderate level of development in all respects, and having lifted their peoples out of poverty, the Yellow River peoples are now open for business again, open to the harsh outside world, confident in their level of development and technology, their economic and political system, and in their seemingly unbreakable continuous 5,000+ year Ariadne's thread of corporate memory. They are now ready to coexist with the western Christian crusaders.
But how will the Christian crusaders react? Are they open to the idea of coexisting respectfully as equals with the Yellow River peoples?
Unfortunately, not to be outdone with adhering to one's own continuous Ariadne's thread of corporate memory, the Christian crusaders are currently doing what they know best and repeating their own past: (i) enforcing a massive round of economic and technological sanctions in order to stunt any further development of the Yellow River peoples, and (ii) undertaking the largest military buildup of all time in preparation for invading and slaughtering the Yellow River peoples once and for all.
The overall aims here are the pulling off of one final almighty "holy grail" of shock doctrines in the form of privatising at bargain basement prices the Yellow River people's state owned assets into the hands of the Christian crusaders' wealthy elite, and overall converting the eastern civilisation into a representative democracy and capitalist economy with commercial media that gives western corporations the means and mechanisms via which to exert their power and influence to convert the massive 1.4 billion population into another consumer market addicted to western products, culture, social media, prescription medication and post-postmodern nihilism. Once again, the objective is to siphon the wealth and resources out of the lands of another foreign peoples and into the pockets of the Christian crusaders' wealthy elite and church.
How is it all going to play out? After all, how else will the Christian crusaders turn around and save their decaying civilisation?
Swami Jesus...
I am not sure if it is simply Christian Crusaders - more like Banking Crusaders using whatever badge and population controlling structure and philosophy suited their purpose. Once you have a license to print money you protect that at all costs and spread it everywhere with all the means at your disposal - finance, armies, media etc.
As religious belief has faded, there has been the realisation that new forms of control were needed.
Wokeness is proving excellent as a wack a mole methodology to divide and conquer and to bang away at "wrong" ideas. Not quite as elegant as the bible and a Christian belief system but it is doing its job for the elite quite well (why else does it have such momentum and support at high levels). And best of all is has become a self inflicted, perpetual motion machine driven by a willing media assuming they are doing good. They are the new missionaries.
Christian crusaders haha.. still got some leverage that dubya moment. Cracker.
If born agains (kingsnorth) & CCP ideologues want to do something about current ideological “woke” trends they could try doing something constructive apart from praying to nothing and suggestions to return (religion) or replace (CCP communism) shitty ideological thinking with different shitty ideological structures. Or don’t. Thats also fine in a secular liberalist democracy.
“Western democracy is founded on the negotiation of diverging viewpoints, ideology is sustained through intolerance of dissent“
Andre Doyle. The new puritans.
Steinbeck had it sorted, what was it in? East of Eden? where the sham minister used to administer god’s word to young women in the reeds next to his wagon ….
https://www.theage.com.au/national/the-hillsong-experiment-is-over-chris...
The last line…there was only one man who said “ Follow Me” and He wasn’t on instagram was very good.
100% agree with you Bonza!
Actually, in the above I failed to mention the central pillar of our western civilisation that the progressive woke mind virus movement is systematically dismantling: our classical European liberalism heritage.
It seems that classical liberalism is now what is called "libertarianism" in the US, but ideas of freedom, liberalism, liberty, etc, are now just convoluted, obscured and twisted into supporting ideology.
I would describe classical liberalism as a belief in and practice of the freedom to live an independent, self-directed and autonomous yet responsible, purposeful, peaceful, tolerant, open and accepting way of life.
The woke mind virus movement does not believe in any of that. It operates via an oppressive, authoritarian, intolerant and subjugating control, dominance and enforcing of its views and ideology onto everyone and everything in its path, particularly via the standard tactics of information war like censorship, cancelling, public character assassination, attacking the person instead of the logic of a viewpoint, and outright fabricated propaganda, and all enforced largely by primitive tribal mob herd gang behaviour, etc.
One either submits to its ideology and subjugation or is slaughtered.
There is no tolerance, acceptance or openness to diversity and variety in alternative viewpoints, beliefs, religion, lifestyles, ways of life, cultures, etc. There is no belief in or advocacy of free speech, open debate, facts or truth. There is no belief in the values and culture passed down to us through the generations from our history and heritage. There is an outright attempted eradication of people who hold values passed down to us from our western heritage and history.
It dismantles our rich European Christendom heritage, it discards science and biology, it is at war with material and economic progress and prosperity, it is dismantling and undermining liberalism and freedom.
In short, the progressive woke mind virus movement is trying to eradicate all of the central pillars of our civilisation and heritage. It is the real scourge and sickness of our times.
Regarding Christianity, it has given us much of what we have today and call western civilisation. It is also much more encompassing and tolerant of our classical European liberalism heritage, our belief in science and reason, and our focus on material progress. Actually, it can be and is well argued that Christianity was the main driving force in our civilisation that sustained and carried through time our pillars of science, progress and liberalism, particularly due to what I would describe as a culture within Christianity of a free man's self-directed, autonomous, independent worship of God via their own personal, individual relationship with Christianity and God.
gsco wrote:Regarding Christianity, it has given us much of what we have today and call western civilisation.
Well that's a generous viewpoint. European Enlightenment - AKA the Age of Reason - only occurred when there was enough will to peel back eighteen centuries of church dogma that resulted in the Dark Ages. And the church fought it every step of the way. Largely still does.
I'm not sure there's anything innate in Christianity that gave root to the Enlightenment (and the movements that followed), it only occurred when humans had enough food and security to spend time on ideas and technology. It could, quite possibly, have arisen during the Golden Age of Islam, when the Islamic world was far ahead of the Christians in maths and ethics, and only collapsed due to outside invasion.
Same goes the Buddhist world.
Anyway, it's a sidebar issue to the wider discussion above.
The concern with most belief systems are when they are taken to extremes, become dogma and dissent is persistently punished in some way.
Christianity has done this in many ways, past more so than present, so has Islam, so have witchdoctors in innumerable tribal groups and so did non religious movements such as the Cultural Revolution in China. Cults do it. Clubs can do it. Social media does it everywhere. It is a human trait to head that way.
The shift to extremes can be both an innocent "bracket creep" but always has some deeper agendas at play that are usually about power and money if they are working at a large scale.
Sometimes the core of a belief system has merit but gets pushed to extremes - note recently under covid, the innocuous and well meaning "STAY SAFE" mantra was pushed by the many with good intentions (and the not so well meaning power and money driven groups) into a means to push radical social and economic change.
Woke is that same mechanism writ large. Lots of well-meaning intentions pushed too far and hijacked by those with agendas. The foot soldiers in this case are generally "progressives", HR departments, media and politicians - not necessarily radicals at all. Hence the power of the movement.
Those with agendas shall not be named. Some are open in their intent and have strong curriculum footholds in our Universities for example. If you read their philosophically aligned web sites you would be quite disturbed. They want radical change. Others operate at geopolitical levels to divide, conquer and quash debate but whose real intent is purposefully murky and not necessarily just along the classic east / west divide or obvious media driven goody / baddie narrative.
Optimist wrote:The last line…there was only one man who said “ Follow Me” and He wasn’t on instagram was very good.
Agreed, so perhaps time for some reflection on why you’re here as you regularly making your faith based comments
yes frog and I would suggest that what you said is the core and subconscious motivation behind the negative reaction to the climate change debate:
Climate change has been mangled and twisted well beyond the basic science and morphed into an extreme cult by precisely the woke mind virus army, and is now another tool in their arsenal to attack and undermine the core values of our heritage and society, in this case particularly economic and material progress, our market economy and overall free society and way of life, and a confidence in the capability of science and technology and in human ingenuity and adaptability.
Even though I enjoy the discussion and debate amongst my surfing community , even with the nasty ones, my only real comment worth taking notice of is “Follow Jesus”
That’s all, just Follow the master, the creator.
My words other than that are pretty worthless. Only by looking into this amazing advent yourselves will you see the reality of Jesus….who He is…why He came.
This has turned many unbelievers including myself into preachers of the same message.
The scripture “ God chose the foolishness of preaching to save those that believe”
Rings true…why He wants it done that way…I don’t know ….but there it is.
But I suppose I wouldn’t design an echidna or a platypus that way either.
Forget about me, stop looking at my faulty ways, look at the real Jesus, what He said, what He taught, the amazing things He did to turn the world on its head in 3 short years….
…not what others have presumed is right in the name of Christ.
Jesus Himself had trouble getting people to think straight as God sees them.
In all my years on here sharing a few of my deep thoughts and observations it’s all pretty worthless compared to the reality of looking at the master….no one else…
Just Him….Follow Jesus.
I’m pretty sure I’ve long worn out my welcome on here so I’ll say goodbye.
I’ve sold my little beach house and have moved to the coastal country to be near my kids and many beautiful grandchildren.
I’m preparing my change of lifestyle to adapt to a new woke strange tech driven world by growing lots of food, using snail mail, cash for everything and simplifying everything down down down.
I believe your going to have to choose between one lifestyle or another as the march of the tech beast moves forward to enslave the gullible in this world.
I encourage you to simplify, go back in time a little to where things were more simple and less invasive in our lives.
Micro chipping and facial recognition will advance as will the monitoring of humanity and the final onslaught of Ai. They will build their false god.
But, …God didn’t give us a spirit of fear , but of power , love and a sound mind.
There is nothing to fear ,but adaptation and de escalation rather than the herd is recommended.
Shalom to you all, even my many haters… I wish you all the best and I mean that….
…Peace…..Optimist Out……PS….Follow Jesus.
stay in touch Optimist, investing in family and minimising tech time and dependence is awesome. May you embrace wisdom and compassion in your journey: the wisdom to find a path that works for you; the compassion to celebrate others who do the same.
Good luck to you Optimist wishing you well in your new journey. If holding you to account for your comments on Ms Higgins, the Morrison government, the Voice and the superiority of your god over all other gods /spiritual belief and to all indigenous cultures is being nasty I’ll take it. All the best
Ne'er a question answered. Just need to follow.......
Some bedtime pondering for you Opti-
gsco wrote:yes frog and I would suggest that what you said is the core and subconscious motivation behind the negative reaction to the climate change debate:
Climate change has been mangled and twisted well beyond the basic science and morphed into an extreme cult by precisely the woke mind virus army, and is now another tool in their arsenal to attack and undermine the core values of our heritage and society, in this case particularly economic and material progress, our market economy and overall free society and way of life, and a confidence in the capability of science and technology and in human ingenuity and adaptability.
Climate change looks like another tool that West is trying to use against the developing countries. But I don’t think it will work in that scenario. I just read yesterday that Putin congratulated his ‘dear friend’ Erdogan on his election win in Turkey, highlighting great cooperation in new nuclear and gas projects. So obviously, there are many who don’t give a shit about the climate change and they will not be bullied into the demands of the West. Who will pay for it? Probably citizens in the West.
All the best, Optimist.
Brave woman!!!!!! Realist also.
Haha nice one supa ;)
The true eternal prophet is profit $$$
And he cometh forth, and roundeth them up ;)
https://m.
This kind of relates to religion, as mentioned at the end if life is a simulation as some believe then who controls the simulation, the big bang could have been the boot up.
^^ haha, that was cute. better fun than I thought it would be - nice one : )
All things…. ;)
https://m.
Sunday sermon… redemption song ;)
Like the flopti parable - divine selected imagined intervention …
https://m.
Thank you Tim .
U have discovered a new way of apologising .
The Universal spirit has gifted U with incredible talent .
A pity U take the piss out of its miracle .
And , that U think , it is clever !
ps I wonder if he has faith the he has a soul ( I have no idea about religion so don't ask me ( although I do like soul and gospel music) )?
No proof ( the list is , almost , endless ) ? I flushed the toilet so I can't prove I did no 2 , 2 , this morning and like a clean toilet .
I do have faith that I did , though haha .
Xenophobic Flashpoints
Surprising even to tbb is this underscored swellnet exclusive.
World has the biggest mouth but few if any have thought to measure this white noise.
Where does it start > When it screams > How long to cover our ears.
[#] Fasttrack for crew wishing to know why US is locked in as a Legislated State of Israel...
Tip! It requires zero bankrolling just 100% cowardly surrender of total US policy forever! (Read below)
Only fair voting reform can free US but as Israel Hold Voting rights US can never & will never be set free!
Background to absurd tabling of Xenophobia was absurdly born from Xenophobic absurdity...Huh!
A flashpoint within a flashpoint when the whole world jumps the Shark & all refuse to notice!
Possibly only tbb can explain this...Why!
Coz pretty sure tbb conducted the World's most absurd study > More x Likely to....[Insert any number!]
We all saw those absurd Covid Experts reeling off How fast Unvaxed could Spread > Sickness > Death
Yet 4 years on they still search for this elusive pesky critter that eats populated planets for breakfast.
tbb actually researched & could list every numbered % to 140% > twice over then higher stages.
Lab leak bingo cards if ya like...
That's one reason tbb lost faith...(Again > World reels off Absurd 50 Folds > 1,000% spikes).
World watched as Majority jump the Shark to become the shark of aforementioned rotating teeth.
A mandated Fully Vaxed Oz Open Crowd + 25[+] Vaxed players banished [-] unvaxed foreign Champ.
Rounded up & deported Sputnik Pro Chick only to stamp 1,000s Sputnik Nepal Students the next week!
Here today we see the rise of Xenophobic Bingo Cards...this time tbb has a Texta Pen...
Sure! This will get real ugly holding up a mirror to the world...[ The most Vile Exclusive Hit List ]
In order to attempt to compile #1 World Hit List one must absurdly Exonerate one's Xenophobia.
tbb doubts if that's remotely possible but forever backs a losing Team & wouldn't score above 50%
[Recap] tbb has combed thru these weird-arse % variations in detail & promises they'll ring true!
Well maybe not the Expert ones...we know tbb placed them into the Table to exhibit Govt Xenophobia.
Shocking Yes! But tbb made a point of double checking absurd Xenophobic % Flashpoints.
Further upon this table...began to shape up prejudice by order of magnitude...Our World...warts'n'all!
Extraordinary outcome it is...again shocking tbb, that this can be measured as a way of the world.
tbb could only share such a Burning Hot list by Dividing each faction into self Walled enclaves!
Here's the known repeat formula that restores order for rules of engagement.
> Isolation > UN > Medicare > Reffos > Enclaves >Transit > City > Rally > Troops > War > Isolation >
Old World (Race) / UN Reffo Health - Housing obligations
Xenophobia : Under the Radar Isolation > Outcast > Enclaves that seldom provoke Town fear.
Old World Xenophobia is born of Health construct with antipathy from New World obligation.
Regulated orderly Migration Health Housing also shares equal disdain from grumblebums.
Seen as most common racism but struggles to meet base level Xenophobia ramps of 50%-100%
Like keep a Covid Wave under wraps ...No Mass Covid outbreak here & We're not Racist...move along!
Notice how all Anglos & bedfellows share = Xenophobia so reckon that denounces racism! (Cough!)
(Key)
[% Peak Rise in Xenophobia > People / Type / Race / Religion]
* Travellers / Orderly Migration + Indigenous Race are base Level Xenophobia (Ok to doubt it!)
50% Travellers
50% American Indians = (More infectious Covid Hate Spikes)
50%-110% First Australians (Voice Referendum > Major Aboriginal Abuse Helpline )
These lower tier Races don't got rights to mouth off about Anti nothing but Abbaphobia round here...
Abbaphobia : Fear of Mob paying out Rego Royalties for Abba song : 'Bang-A-Boomerang'
Obviously long entrenched or obligated Xenophobia will only spike with our political desire! STFU!
.............................................................................................................................................................................................................
* Christophobia (Say Wot!) How could this be for Real? tbb & crew reported on these...Fires & such!
70% EU anti Christian Hate Crime Wave > Desecration of Symbolism > Fires > Deaths > Real Nasty!
7 year Crime wave was in retaliation for EU locking out Muslim Migration (see: Outcast Asylum Seekers!)
* Hinduphobia > UK has a long running moderate undercurrent as a norm so seldom see any spikes.
100% US Seattle was a Peak Covid era Online construct, could easily be tied to Anti Vax sentiment.
100%-150% : All above Native / Christian / Hindu long co-exist as free spirited cultures
All would agree that Xenophobic waves are triggered by attacks on each other's Women & Children.
150%+ : Don't underestimate the instant retaliation by spike in hate crimes within these like cultures!
One can expect > Sporting / Student Boycotts...Hate blogs to light up real fast!
.............................................................................................................................................................................................................
* Mass Migration of particular Race that compete for equal City-life jobs
These are more obvious Race based enclaves that fuel incidental flashpoints to stoke uprisings.
50% > 200% BLM Riots (Hate Crimes > Speech)
85% Mexican / Latino cheap labour for Disaster mop up crews > Covid Crime Wave
220% Pacific Islanders (Peak Covid exempt infectious frontline health migration wave)
.............................................................................................................................................................................................................
* International > 'Race' Wars / Pandemics
Lacking Old World Charm these big hitters command respect when Conquering smaller planets.
Everyone shakes their hand as they cough & look away...never saw nothin'...(Regulated Xenophobia)
120% > 200% Russophobia during reoccupation or something other we can't say!
UK / EU Hate crimes > Online trolling (see next...China)
300% > 600% > 900% Sinophobia during Lab Leaked Wuhan Flu Strain
UK hate crimes > SFC Chinatown Hate > Online western Trolls
Online o's Power abuse is mandated at much lower scale due to bans & interracial language barriers
Impossible to duel epic online Hate blogs with foreigners on different www = One way traffic only!
One could argue the retaliation targets Power Symbol desecration > Statues / Chinatown etc!
.............................................................................................................................................................................................................
* Outcasts + Asylum Seekers
170% > 400% Sinphobia LGBTQIA+ Hate crimes > Online Abuse peak with Election Rallies.
MSM rally Paydirt Xenophobia to rile up the Angry Mob to crash Peace / Referendum Rallies
440% War-torn Mass Asylum Seekers fuel next level Xenophobia within Mass Wave of Xenophobia.
All recall Ukrainian Asylum Seekers stomping, spitting and denying African Student refuge / transit!
Far right playgrounds for breeding next Hate crime leaders...lickin' their lips just reading this...aren't ya!
.............................................................................................................................................................................................................
* Expert Govts mandate Next Level Xenophobia...
Deny Unvaxed Entry / Hospital / Work / Pension + mandate Tax > Fines > Jail > Deportation > Death.
More than half the planet cheered them on...not joking...no hiding it...all agree this will happen again!
Unvaxed : Choose any number from 1- 140% then 50-100 -1,000% increments until targets are met.
900% more likely to infect or be infected
1200% more likely to need Hospital
1900% more likely to Die
Nazi's Book banning bonfires with record censored flames engulfing us now...Mass Hypno Xenophobia!
Like to think it ends here...like what God could rival Govt mandated Mass Hypno Xenophobia
Crew prayed to drum up some other worldly fairytale shitfuckery to ward off Evil Govt Xenophobes
.............................................................................................................................................................................................................
* Islamophobia (Current abuse claims start from 10 fold > 100% climbing to...1,000%)
1,000% Current Israel conflict (Oz > Vic bloggers)
1,600% Twin Towers War on Terror > US Hate Crimes
1,800% Christchurch Shooting > NZ > But it was Oz online trolls that soared to record heights.
.............................................................................................................................................................................................................
* Antisemitism : The Holy Grail of Xenophobia ....none can touch or even speak of this taboo.
So immense all World Christian Govts bow to pressure & race to draft next year's laws ahead of time.
Jews own the Media & will make you all pay by detailing their record Paronoid Xenophobia...
This Mob book out every Fold 2/3/4 > 20x > then in 10 folds to 100 fold (Every number % locked in!)
Never waste time with anything under 50% > Rise in 50% blocks then 100% blocks to 1,000%
Clearly see...the same MSM Xenophobes that crafted the Govt Big Pharma MSM extortion.
1,400% UK Hate Crimes
2,000% Online Trolls
4,900% YouTube barbs.
10,000% Massive new 100 Fold Claim in Antisemitism...got locked out on this blogger...
Maybe for the best...hate to think what ramps that much hate...
If ya must Know..."Kill Jews!" rated highest online % ramps...(Usually like 1 motion > 10,000 likes)
tbb has a theory on why this is...
Never once has tbb met a devout religious follower assert their faith > includes door knockers!
Never seen SBS TV show or Cricketer bragging about religion...can't even imagine that!
Yet! First up without Fail every single time in Town or on Tellie...all we ever hear...'Hi! I'm Jewish!'
Correct...most don't even have a name...just...'Did I tell ya I'm Jewish'...(Like alright already, we got that!)
Whole Planet Together : WTF ...none give a shit mate, will ya just park that & hang loose Dude!
But wait! Back up a bit!
Any immediate sneeze or thought bubble is by default labelled Antisemitic
Oh! Shit so sorry dude ...I must be Anti whatever you said you were! (Please don't sue me!)...Too late!
Therefore the World is ever indebted to absolve impure thought for fear of being persecuted by a Jew.
All must Vow to agree with prioritized weaponized Religious Freedom or by law be fined or sued.
Once..."I'm Jewish!" is uttered! All are obligated to treat the "Jew" in God like fashion or be persecuted!
Automatically guilty or deemed guilty by association in the presence of a Heralded Religious nutjob!
Simple Burp or Fart in front of a Proud Jew...that's 3 years Jail...go on & try...tbb will include ya in stats!
Kinda like slack Aussie Christian feels ashamed & don't give as shit about Jesus Jokes.
But ultra minority Jew needs to first mount a defence by way of shot over the bough...I'm Jewish!
Ask! Which dude will report religious abuse & often...Now see Christian (vs) Jews boss the Table!
World revolves about them or the Sun don't shine!
[#] Fast Track from Intro (Here)
Q: How Jews can & do run US Everything Forever?
That's surprisingly the easiest open plain to see reason for all to read and weep!
A: US pop 2.4% Jews
26/435 Reps (6%) Over represented Jew Pollies control 100% balance of House of Reps
9/100 Senate (9%) Over represented Jew Pollies control 100% balance of US Senate
1975-1985 Israel worked out it could own US outright by simply stacking a handful of Pollies...(Done!)
Jews unfairly over represent in Pollies to ever hold balance of power to hijack 100% US Policy
US is quite obviously & quite openly nothing more than a default junket State of Israel!
Whatever Israel wants > Israel Gets...LAW...
Israel orders more US Army supply & have US fight for them or Joe / Trump take a bath!
US officially can't possibly exist as a sovereign Nation unless over represented Jewish Pollies permit it !
Nor can they ever regain their Independence back from Israel...not democratically possible!
They are nothing more than Jewish Slave bodies forever
Only by sending Jew Pollies off on a mystery junket can they overturn Jewish Voting block power.
That'd last all of One Week...until balance is restored in Israel's default ownership!
Another way is for US to run more independents to out poll Majors to break up Israel's middle ground!
Oz Jews 0.4% Pop + Islam 3.2%
2019 Jews held balance of power with 1 Green Vote
2022 Voted in 2 Muslims but 4 Jews of 0.4% Pop hold Balance of Power
Alp 77/151 seats = 3 [Alp] + 1 [L] Jews
3 Jews (vs) 2 Muslims Boss ALP policy or threaten to cross the Floor to block all Alp bills!
Oz Parliament is currently serving the wishes of both Jews & Muslims mid Conflict!
Oz has effectively surrendered control & can no longer guarantee remaining neutral in Conflict!
Vote : Should Dutto become Israel's Commander in Chief of their Southern Munitions Dump.
Today!
Teals denounce [L] Leader Dutton for turning Antisemitism into a Political Football.
PM Albo : "Dutto's attempt to Weaponize & Politicize Antisemitism for Political gain is unconscionable!"
Recall [L] were stacking Jews for Israel's Oz takeover whether [L] ordered it or not! Gonna Happen!
Also note we could change our Constitution often to allow Govt to detain o's rapists...
Instead we Vote No forever to surrender power to High Court as usual...fucking dinosaurs we are!
That's why yer reading this today as it all comes to a head.
So before ya say poor Israel yer one member of Parliament from Oz becoming Israel forever.
That's just how stupid & corrupt US / Oz democracy is or was...soon all be Israel...Wake Up Australia.
Keep Religion outta Politics or at least curb it to representative population as considered for Women.
Failing to do this in this term of Parliament spells the end of Oz...
Oz has a little more breathing space with Indies but could easily sign it over to Israel now & save time!
Reminding tbb has never voted in yer Corrupt elections but is giving ya all fair notice...Sort it or lose it!
Pause! How can this possibly not happen by default...Vote in 2025 Israeli Election...no other outcome!
PS : 15 Nov Today petition to remove Christian Prayers in Parliament ...(65% Public against)
https://au.news.yahoo.com/call-to-end-long-standing-religious-tradition-...
Wake up & address fair Parliamentary representation free of radical minority Religious overrule.
Before a population of 0.4% have us build Weapons for their Spiritual Homeland forever and ever amen!
Here you go optimist
Not sure my motivation...my instinctive need to stick up for the underdog...my secret desire to be one day honoured rightfully with the role of Forum moderator (expecting a call any day)...
But anyway I couldn't help but read your troubles on another thread...unfortunately I found myself siding with everyone's posts...other than your own...except for the part where you were told you can't post here!
So I put my low IQ mind to coming up with a solution that suits all...and here it is...a safe place if you like
You can post anything you like about your beliefs...and no one has to read it unless they want! Easy peasy...
maybe you could even get Jesus, fat Buddha, Mohammed, and friends to converse in adult conversation here
Solving the world problems, one at a time...call it taking a shovel as a way of moving that mountain
All the best...brother
PS...I actually was born again once, but I grew up, and grew a brain of my own...and realised it was all a load of shit!