COVID-19 Health System Overload Forecaster
Supafreak wrote:@malben What’s more important to you , an effective treatment for early covid patients or the politcs around this ?
I honestly don't have an opinion on Ivermectin, as I have no medical qualifications. I can't stand politics either.
However, your inference that Ivermectin is an "effective treatment for early covid" is an opinion, and one that's not currently backed by peer reviewed research. It may come to pass in time. But at the moment there's a lot of red flags as to its efficacy. Today's revelations are yet another red flag. That's my opinion, anyway.
As per my first question on this topic, I'm just curious why you're so fixated on Ivermectin. I'm not passing judgement, I'm genuinely curious.
@malben , I’ve answered you before on this . I believe this treatment works from doctors and patients testimonies and peer reviewed papers , some of the scientists doing these peer review were leading scientists from the FDA and military. I’m repeating myself again I apologise . If you want more information check out the FLCCC website and they are not the Frontline group that are a right wing , different organisation. I’m as you say “ fixated “on this as the pushback is huge from the media. Compare remdesivir to ivermectin for side effects and effectiveness, the WHO doesn’t even recommended remdesivir but it gets a free ride from the media . Lots of new drugs heading our way and they are expensive and safety data is limited . My fixation is something doesn’t add up . Here’s the link to a peer reviewed paper on ivermectin . https://journals.lww.com/americantherapeutics/fulltext/2021/06000/review... And for more information check out FLCCC website https://covid19criticalcare.com/
https://www.politifact.com/article/2021/jun/30/what-know-about-pro-iverm...
Fact check: journals.llw
Publication is run by a pro ivermectin group whose claims have been rejected for lack.of evidence. Peer review occurred 18 months ago and has been superseded by.further evidence and metastudies.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Front_Line_COVID-19_Critical_Care_Alliance
covid19 critical care.com is run by the Critical Care Alliance. They use the same endlessly debunked claims as your other links.
Politifact funding https://www.politifact.com/who-pays-for-politifact/
Yeah I know , to attack blindboy is to attack science , seriously goodnight
I dont have much of an opinion on Ivermectin either way, but i loved how Joe Rogan recently held this CNN dude accountable for their intentionally misleading people about it focusing on the livestock aspect.
I think that sucks that some media try to paint it as a drug thats not widely used by humans, when it is.
Politifact funding as described in your link is completely above board.
And no, attacking me is not attacking science. The problem is that you do not know what you are talking about.......and I do and yeh every argument has two sides but in a surprisingly high percentage of cases, one side is flat out wrong. If using my education and experience to debunk arrant nonsense causes you to think me arrogant, so fuckin' what? I am totally unconcerned with the opinions of anonymous commentators about my character.
DEC 17 QLD starts to opens…Hopefully more get vaxxed…because covid is coming in. As we know covid is a disease of the unvaccinated. I am pretty happy going forward…we do have to learn to live with covid. Cases projected to be 1200 per day next year.
Vax up is the only way to go.
Qld Pre Vaccination Covid Cases
13th March 2020 Qld CHO: 1.25m (25%) of Qld will get Covid within 6 months.
https://7news.com.au/lifestyle/health-wellbeing/queensland-preparing-for...
[Fact Check] 1,089 cases over 6 months
From WHO Hooter to Scomo's Jab > 1,321 cases or (3.4 cases / day) over 388 days
21st Feb 2021 Vax Rollout.
Qld Prof:"Vax rates are what have put selective pressure on the virus to evolve faster into new variants!"
Qld CHO : "Covid spreads between the Double Dosed!"
Qld CHO : "The Virus will come in no matter what we do!
Qld Health Minister : "The Virus will go into every every Town, every City in Qld and Australia!"
Qld CHO : "We are all of us going to end up being infected with Covid!"
Qld Premier : "This is your last opportunity, your last chance to get vaxed!"
Qld predicted cases after amazing Vax Cure...
1,200 Cases / day (or) 35,194% extra with multi $billion Vax cure / Health Crisis / Mass Nurse Cull!
Qld CHO : "More like 400 cases / day or 11,665% extra cases with the Red hot Mass Vax Rollout Cure."
That's gotta be #1 Fucked up Intergalactic record for VOC immune escape.
The biggest most costly Fail in Qld History can't even make the Classifieds?
Like most of Qld...tbb's Gold Coast is not yet half Vaxed
Mostly as all Outpatients were chucked in the bin when Rollout Started.
tbb has got prelim Lymph & Aorta tests today....
Once the Rollout is packed up tbb is a chance at Rollout delayed Hospital Heart appointment.
Most likely be banned without an app ...bummer, coz that was tbb's backdoor for VIP vax approval.
tbb is gatecrashin' an opportunity sometime in distant future beyond Spritzer #4711...All Hail Vax!
Govt's trimming back some more boomer baggage to pay for lost time...sitting ducks on the Mass Vax carousel!
I am glad this issue is finally settled . Those that believed that natural immunity is somehow null and void with regard to covid can be reminded how the human body always works .
Recovering from Covid offers just as good protection as getting two doses of any vaccine, official figures suggest.
An Office for National Statistics' (ONS) report published today found unvaccinated Britons who catch the Delta variant are around 71 per cent less likely to test positive for a second time.
It estimated the risk of infection is slashed by approximately 67 per cent in people given two doses of Pfizer or AstraZeneca's jabs.
‘COVID a disease of the unvaccinated’ hahahaahhhaahaahahahahaha. You still peddling this crap roadkill. Careful sounds like your on Glady’s side hustle payroll.
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Hutchy 19 wrote:An Office for National Statistics' (ONS) report published today found unvaccinated Britons who catch the Delta variant are around 71 per cent less likely to test positive for a second time.
Maybe they should avoid taking a test. Then it would be 100 per cent less likely to test positive for a second time.
A previous covid infection is protective....but a previous infection plus vaccination is much better.
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02795-x?utm_source=Nature+Bri...
blindboy wrote:A previous covid infection is protective....but a previous infection plus vaccination is much better.
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02795-x?utm_source=Nature+Bri...
Mixed info out there ...
See at around the 4.25 mark in this:
I'll go with Nature.
Ok ive had two jabs ( phizer )second won five weeks ago so I can get on with
enjoying life but mainly for work and travel. After the first one absolutely zero
effects none nothing at all great. Now a few days after the second I became
a little tired and slight loss of my normal energy which in generally high put it down to stress at the time a lot of things going on in my world then.
Now five weeks later ive lost a shit load of energy have a non stop headache
lots of aches and pains topped off with troubled sleep might be just a
coincidence maybe its this stuff I dont know but getting worse not better.
Just thought Id share this information if anyone has had similar experiences.
So if the china virus didnt get me maybe the effects of the jabs will because
me being too weak to handle last Sundays afternoons 10ft bombs at my local
south swell reef magnet that almost took me out is a indication of something
not quite right. Or maybe im just imagined it all and havent taken on board im
to slow to old and to stupid to realise im not up to it.
Did you register on the VAER site evo surfer?
Hutchy 19 wrote:I am glad this issue is finally settled . Those that believed that natural immunity is somehow null and void with regard to covid can be reminded how the human body always works .
Recovering from Covid offers just as good protection as getting two doses of any vaccine, official figures suggest.
An Office for National Statistics' (ONS) report published today found unvaccinated Britons who catch the Delta variant are around 71 per cent less likely to test positive for a second time.
It estimated the risk of infection is slashed by approximately 67 per cent in people given two doses of Pfizer or AstraZeneca's jabs.
Couple of points here:
Assuming the ONS report is reputable and accurate - so what? Now, 20+ months into a novel pandemic you're trying to play the 'I told you so' game? 20/20 hindsight is great right? Point is - if it does turn out that we develop an effective level of immunity ourselves, then any person with half a brain should still understand that a brand new virus is not something which should be taken lightly. We don't understand how it works, how it mutates, how it attacks the body or how our immune systems react (not unusual for our immune response to be actually what does the damage/kills people). Effective vaccination on a large scale is way more prudent than solely relying on natural immunity, when you have little to know idea what you're dealing with. (completely disregarding the fact that with the vaccines given around the world, we've probably saved 100's of thousands of lives).
Also - the whole premise of natural immunity is flawed in today's day and age. We live in a highly industrialised, urban/suburban/rural environments. This virus was born most likely in a live animal market - and quite frankly humans/bats/pangolins/whatever else shouldn't naturally be in contact....like ever. Humans also naturally aren't designed to travel all over the world in planes. Globally we've created a situation where we can spawn super bugs and have them spread around the world at un natural speeds. Sure - natural immunity worked when humans lived in nature*, and stayed put. Now - it's a pipe dream.
*Note - when natural immunity worked, life expectancy was probably about 40 years old.
evosurfer wrote:Ok ive had two jabs ( phizer )second won five weeks ago so I can get on with
enjoying life but mainly for work and travel. After the first one absolutely zero
effects none nothing at all great. Now a few days after the second I became
a little tired and slight loss of my normal energy which in generally high put it down to stress at the time a lot of things going on in my world then.
Now five weeks later ive lost a shit load of energy have a non stop headache
lots of aches and pains topped off with troubled sleep might be just a
coincidence maybe its this stuff I dont know but getting worse not better.
Just thought Id share this information if anyone has had similar experiences.
So if the china virus didnt get me maybe the effects of the jabs will because
me being too weak to handle last Sundays afternoons 10ft bombs at my local
south swell reef magnet that almost took me out is a indication of something
not quite right. Or maybe im just imagined it all and havent taken on board im
to slow to old and to stupid to realise im not up to it.
Sounds like a common cold to me.....but feel free to do your own research. I'm sure if you googled 'common vaccine side effects' you'll be well and truly lost down the rabbit hole of misinformation and fear campaigns.
Yep stok, defend at all costs ei. It’s all mis information on the cons and accurate science on the pros. Either way you look at it your elected leaders are rubbing ya face in it and as Glady’s proved will scatter like cockroaches when the light gets properly shon. Harsh reality I’m afraid so get around it. The longer you are in denial the harder it will be.
And on the topic of being well and truly down the rabbit hole of mis information and fear campaigns stok..
In case you have forgotten (wikipedia certainly hasn't), Pfizer still has the largest health care fraud conviction in history resulting in a settlement of $2.8 Billion. This was their 4th related conviction in a decade. "Persistently engaging in illegal and corrupt marketing practices, bribing physicians and suppressing adverse trial results".
Yep that rabbit hole goes deep.. Just the health care specialists I want my tax payer funds going to.
Stok - Surely you jest !
"Sure - natural immunity worked when humans lived in nature*, and stayed put. Now - it's a pipe dream."
Humans have not changed . Have always had natural immunity . Any idiot doesn't need Harry hindsight to know it hasn't disappeared due to mobility .
Life expectancy has gone up for a number of reasons not because immunity is a pipedream . Maybe do some study into a practice called medicine . Why infant mortality decreased . Mothers dying in child birth .
Humans do not have "natural immunity". They have a 2nd line non specific response to pathogens that they have not encountered before. The success of the response depends on the virulence of the pathogen and the general health of the individual.
Immunity is gained by previous exposure to a pathogen via the 3rd line immune response which produces cells to target that specific pathogen. This is slow to get going as large numbers of the specific cells have to be produced. This means that we will always be vulnerable to a virulent novel pathogen, such as covid, that can cause serious disease before there are enough specific cells to deal with it. In younger, healthier individuals the 2nd line response will prevent serious disease while they still develop the specific cells that give immunity.
BB the immunologist. Another feather in your expanding cap.
Mate, I taught the subject for decades.
Serious question then BB on hybrid immunity.
If you havent been vaccinated and get Covid you will get some immunity which in many cases is actually better than what the vaccine can provide and then latter if you get the vax you get even better immunity, so this person would have better immunity than most people who are double vaxed.
Is it likely to work the other way??
Say you are double vaccinated, you are exposed to Covid and your body fights it off and you don't get sick, will your body have added immunity from the exposure like a natural boaster???
Or will you only get that effect if you get sick and your body has to really fight back?
The data on that isn't in yet but it is possible that the impact would be similar. .
Hey stok where have I stated I have any symptoms of a cold
and when does a cold last 5 weeks and continuing without
cold symptoms you lost me and I couldnt be bothered to
do researth and fill my head with more useless information
and if I had any fear about side effects I wouldnt of got it
in the first place and further more depending which side of
the fence your sitting on gives you the misinformation.
Me im not on anyones agenda only my own and just
giving my experience and clearly stated it might be
coincidence and imagination but a common cold. PLEASE
A disease of the unvaccinated.
https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/health/greg-hunt-reveals-the-l...
Roadkill... You mean A disease of the uneducated.
Ahhh Greg Hunt. Yep he should have our back. But anyone shamelessly doing business with the recipient of multiple and the largest health care fraud conviction in history for "Persistently engaging in illegal and corrupt marketing practices, bribing physicians and suppressing adverse trial results" speaks for itself. Ya really reckon Hunt is thinking about getting you vaccinated for your sake?
Yes.
shortenism wrote:Roadkill... You mean A disease of the uneducated.
Ahhh Greg Hunt. Yep he should have our back. But anyone shamelessly doing business with the recipient of multiple and the largest health care fraud conviction in history for "Persistently engaging in illegal and corrupt marketing practices, bribing physicians and suppressing adverse trial results" speaks for itself. Ya really reckon Hunt is thinking about getting you vaccinated for your sake?
Uneducated / unvaccinated….. the same thing really.
What educated person would willingly allow a Pfizer dose into themselves knowing Pfizer’s legal history? Would you buy a car off a company known to falsify, bribe officials and suppress safety data about their vehicles? Fk no surely.
Well, given that we're nearly at 90% single dose 16+, higher in NSW, I'd say a lot of educated people.
Shortenism - How do you know the full details and ins and outs of Pfizer's legal history? Did you work on the case(s)? When did this happen? Was it related to vaccines or other drug production? Are the people who worked there involved still employed? Did Pfizer change processes following the case? If they've been caught out once, do you really believe they're still doing it? Are they really capable of multi-level bribes which can cover their tracks and snuffle out any whistleblowers?
How do you trust anyone/anything?
Looks like a lot of people have been taking Pfizers Despondex lately.
With COVID I trust my immune system first and foremost Stok. A crime? Maybe these days by the looks..
If you care to search their publicly available legal history, you will see there were 4 seperate charges in 10 yrs.
A leopard ever change its spots?
Maybe England should do what India did and hand out those funny little medicine kits . https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/oct/15/why-britons-are-tolerating.... 
Nice comparison with countries using ivermectin https://ivmstatus.com/
Congratulations Japan . https://news.yahoo.com/vaccines-masks-japan-puzzling-over-034036438.html
Qld Update....continues from last report...
Prof Paul Griffin :
"Vax Rates are what has put selective pressure on the Virus to evolve faster into new Variants!"
Qld Premier : "This is your last opportunity to get vaxed before 17th Dec...
90% Vax = (open invitation) to Southern Red Hot Double Vaxed super spreaderz
Qld CHO : " ....after that we will be bringing in the Virus thru the Borders in Vaccinated People!"
"Every single Qldurr is going to get exposed to Covid & will get infected."
Waning Efficacy > AZ - 3 months > Pfizer - 5 months = ( Equivalent to No Vax )
Passes are Valid for 6 months. ( Nope! It don't add up! Don't Ask!)
Israel (3rd) Boosters mandate 6 months > 4th Booster > 6 months repeat forever.
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/10/14/covid-israel-bahrain-people-lose-vaccina...
Oz Rollout { Vax Pass } Efficacy Countback (Equal to No Vax) from Qld Open Day
5 months 19th July (13.7%) > 3 months 19th Sept (46.2%)
Looks like over half the 90% { VIP's} spreading more Covid than No Vax (Geert: "No Brainer!")
Qld Super Goth CHO is a hard act to top! 50% Vaxed Border runners! All Hail Killer Vax Passes!
Incubating > Waning (Oz super spreaders)
NSW ( Double Vaxed ) 28th Aug 2.5% of cases super spread to 25th Sept 8.4% of cases
Vic ( Double Vaxed ) 5th Oct 7% of cases super spread to 14th Oct 12% of cases.
Only other ultra rare stats... (Double Vaxed) Vic =10% Hospital cases > NSW =11% Deaths
Note: Oz Health's most up to date tracking on Hottest Movers in town! (Don't wake them up!) Wot!
Qldurrz finally wake up to Oz { VIPs } WTF...Could Vax Science be making a comeback?
Qld QIMR Berghofer Institute say Roadmap modelling is optimistic!
Roadmap has Vax Peak 10 Oct > Waning > Aug 2022 > 1,200/day > 400 in ICU
QIMR : Already Vax Waning Immunity is a serious risk...
Super Hero Vaxerz laugh off > Masks > Sign Ins > Testing > Isolating
If Qld stays open with No Boosters & No Restrictions....(With Waning Vax Factor!)
March -May > 1,800 cases / day
https://newsconcerns.com/queenslands-covid-reopening-plan-may-be-threate...
Mass Vax Ramps Mass Covid
Qld Imports more deadly Covid freely from Southern Hottest Spots
Tourism Vax Wanes creating a Mass Covid Tsunami
A beached wane with no immunity ...That's how Qld wiped it's itself off the face of the planet.
WHO traces origin of Covid back to upturned Qld Port'a'loo life raft!
Clever Oz simply bought more Vents & ICU to Handle the Freedom backwash?
Sounded like a good plan...but also got their arses kicked!
13th Oct 2021 : 'The Medical Journal of Australia'...goes like this...
https://www.mja.com.au/system/files/2021-10/AA%20manuscript%20-%20Litton...
Fully Staffed ICU > March 2020 - (2,378) > 30th Aug- 9th Sept 2021 (2,183)
Repeating that Oz actually does have way more knitted Vents & piles more PPE...so where is they?
The reduced Staff ICU Frontline is caused by Work Restrictions!
Ultimately constrained by the availability of appropriate staff. (Recall flushing our Frontline Heroes)
Planning to act on operational problems in matching ICU resource and capacity to demand is essential.
Seems like they sacked 10% of ICU Frontline to fuel their own Health crisis...a blast from the past?
Oz East Coast Pollies have resurrected SEQEB Joh Speak...feeding the chooks!
https://pictures.abebooks.com/isbn/9780725105617-us.jpg
tbb wrote on Japan case drop a while back...
IOC bullied Japan to Mass Vax > skyrocketing Vax to a 1.58 /100 peak
8-10th August Olympic ends ...o/n Japan Mass dumps Vax (From 1.58 /100 down to 1.00 /100)
Mass FU to IOC & the World!
Keeps dumping Vax to this day..now at (.60 /100 ) & cases are vanishing just as fast...
https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations?country=~JPN
22nd Aug cases plummet from Peak 26,121/day (Vax Peak) > Low cases 494/day Vax low Point
Every country does it....ain't nothing tricky...
NSW Highest Vax = Highest cases (vs) current Plummeting Vax = Plummeting cases
Top 25 Delta Nations all spiked Vax at Peak Rollout (ALL) Got hammered by own hand!
Any fool can orchestrate a Rollout to have more kick than a 6 Pack of VOC's
Can also throw out yer vax to make Covid disappear just as fast! Too easy!
Immunity that targets only the lazy original strains, naturally spreads & escalates only the new VOCs
Slow strain marries VOC in non immune Unvaxed who naturally slows the VOC Spike back down
Only the Unvaxed Patient can Host slow strains to slow the spread...Vaxerz can't get a Whole infection
Not sure if they want to...but anyway, they lose natural ability to slow the virus spread...No brainer!
eg: NSW/Vic data shows unvaxed mopping up 10% Covid wk (vs) Vax 1/2 spiking Covid by 5% wk.
shortenism wrote:What educated person would willingly allow a Pfizer dose into themselves knowing Pfizer’s legal history? Would you buy a car off a company known to falsify, bribe officials and suppress safety data about their vehicles? Fk no surely.
Suppressing data and the like?
Do you intend to ever fly in a plane again? Are you ever going to travel again?
shortenism wrote:What educated person would willingly allow a Pfizer dose into themselves knowing Pfizer’s legal history? Would you buy a car off a company known to falsify, bribe officials and suppress safety data about their vehicles? Fk no surely.
I'm glad I made an educated decision then and got the Astra Zeneca shot. Looks like they have had some legal problems as well but not as bad as Pfizer so I guess I made the right choice. Your analogy is a bit like Volkswagen - lots of educated people still willingly buying their products. Or are you simply saying that uneducated people don't have the mental capacity to make the right decisions according to the Book Of Shortenism??
It is The Daily Mail, which is a shit newspaper, but the message is correct.
The unvaccinated will be a drain on QLD resources when we open. The selfish will be responsible.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10107137/Top-doctor-warns-Queen...
A shit newspaper but the message is correct?? 'Top doctor blah blah'. Staple dose of fear and division. What else do you expect from the Daily Mail?
Well of course you choose your vacine based on the legal record of the company........the evidence about its saftey and effectiveness is much less inmportant ? ? ? ? ? ! # &n * # # ? ? ?
shortenism wrote:A shit newspaper but the message is correct?? 'Top doctor blah blah'. Staple dose of fear and division. What else do you expect from the Daily Mail?
You didn’t answer the question. Are you going to travel in a plane in the future? I ask this out of concern due to Boeing and their past history on suppressing software data. And planes falling out of the sky?
Or did you ignore it, because you realise how stupid you sound with dumb analogies?
Educated vs non-educated doesn't mean anything really. In fact most educated folk (including me) probably suffer from being indoctrinated into formation from in-formation.
I've created a spreadsheet forecast which I'll update as we go..
There's also a website with live running data.. https://sites.google.com/view/stayhomeaustralia