COVID-19 Health System Overload Forecaster
blindboy wrote:The usual suspects with the usual blend of random facts and illogical conclusions, but there they go anyway, setting up their deep knowledge (ha ha ha) of the issues against independent expert opinion armed only with undeserved self-confidence, self-righteousness, a sense of outrage and irrelevancies. (What exactly does the advent of resistant strains of TB have to do with covid vaccination? Will we ever understand the thought processes that can make that leap? Probably not.)
The arguments for child vaccination are easily found. WHO, Johns Hopkins etc etc etc. Since they are based on valid statistical analysis and draw logical conclusions, you need to specifically identify where they are wrong.
You ask what does TB have to do with covid vaccinations ? I’m just stating that TB kills way more children than covid does , so why isn’t there a push to create a new vaccine for TB ? The answer is simple, TB effects mainly 3rd world countries so there is no money in making a new vaccine . There is however plenty to be made from endless jabs into the arms of children. Can you please supply your evidence based links on why vaccination for 5 to 11 year olds is a good thing .
Good to see that 99% of people over 60 are intelligent enough to take the advice of 99% of experts and get fully vaxxed. No one gives a fuck what a tiny percentage of delusional, selfish, politically manipulated narcissistic anti vaxxer sheep believe.
Its never too late to wake up and emerge from the rabbit hole and see the light.
burleigh wrote:Vic Local wrote:Here's one for the Freedumb fighters on this forum.
Something about fools and money being easily parted.
https://www.theage.com.au/national/the-price-of-freedom-how-anti-lockdow...Happy to support some of them, others like Avi, not so much.
I like the play on words "freedumb" it can also be used for you, you're double/triple jabbed for your freedumb, yet if youre a contact of covid your freedumbs are still taken away.
Silly article, people always make money from issues, you can say the same about any movement especially one's people are passionate about, even feral/terrorist organisations like extortion rebellion sell all kinds of crap or others do in their name.
And fuck me dead, look at black lives matter, the biggest cash in scam in history.
Now where has the billions from that gone???
I know where some went, i know some *cough cough* anti capitalist/trained marxist now have quite nice property portfolio's.
As for Rebel News & Avi, im sure there is two sides to the story.
Where are all the Malaria fighters? Another major killer of children.
Oh thats right its a problem in 3rd world countries and not a rich white mans virus to exploit billions.
In regard to Children being vaccinated for Covid.
You have to be a bit skeptical at this stage where the push for this is coming from?
Normally with vaccination's in children there is good reason to vaccinate.
1. The child is at risk of the disease and it's effects.
2. The vaccination completely stops transmission.
But this is not the case with Covid or Covid vaccinations.
Id hate to say it, but the reality in this case although extremely slim is the child having a serious reaction to the vaccine rather than Covid itself and there could even be advantages for a child to get a degree of natural immunity to Covid built up.
Id honestly prefer not to get my kids vaccinated against Covid, but i might be forced into doing so if they need to be vaccinated to travel to Indo or at least skip the quarantine requirement.
Kind of a weird feeling as i guess its how others feel that dont was to get Covid vaccinated but are forced into it.
burleigh wrote:overthefalls wrote:If you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas.
For anyone that supports vaccine mandates?
No, just those who think that covid is a hoax and those who think that the vaccines don’t work.
"I know where some went, i know some *cough cough* anti capitalist/trained marxist now have quite nice property portfolio's.
As for Rebel News & Avi, im sure there is two sides to the story."
Really ID, Tell us exactly who is making billions from BLM. And while you're at it, you could name the people who have nice property portfolios on the back of the BLM industry. ID, you really can talk absolute shit about BLM. They live rent free in your head mate.
As for two sides to the story re rebel news and Avi the wife basher: well no, there's only 1 side to the story. They are simply for-profit activists who are happy to use racism, fear and just flat out bullshit to improve their bottom line.
supa. you were really unable to find this or similar explanations yourself?
https://www.who.int/news/item/24-11-2021-interim-statement-on-covid-19-v...
overthefalls wrote:burleigh wrote:overthefalls wrote:If you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas.
For anyone that supports vaccine mandates?
No, just those who think that covid is a hoax and those who think that the vaccines don’t work.
For the record i have never said covid is a hoax, It is dangerous for older, immune compromised and the obese.
IMO it's not dangerous for fit healthy people and especially not kids. the vaccine however is.
indo-dreaming wrote:In regard to Children being vaccinated for Covid.
You have to be a bit skeptical at this stage where the push for this is coming from?
Normally with vaccination's in children there is good reason to vaccinate.
1. The child is at risk of the disease and it's effects.
2. The vaccination completely stops transmission.
But this is not the case with Covid or Covid vaccinations.
Id hate to say it, but the reality in this case although extremely slim is the child having a serious reaction to the vaccine rather than Covid itself and there could even be advantages for a child to get a degree of natural immunity to Covid built up.
Id honestly prefer not to get my kids vaccinated against Covid, but i might be forced into doing so if they need to be vaccinated to travel to Indo or at least skip the quarantine requirement.
Kind of a weird feeling as i guess its how others feel that dont was to get Covid vaccinated but are forced into it.
yep
and not to mention the advice given - just months ago i might add!! - was that 5 year olds don't need vaccination, as they will grow up with the virus endemic and develope an immune system to suit...
now I loathe to mention the term 'immune system' as it instantly triggers some, ...and gives a woody to others... but it did seem reasonable advice, especially combined with your points above
blindboy wrote:supa. you were really unable to find this or similar explanations yourself?
https://www.who.int/news/item/24-11-2021-interim-statement-on-covid-19-v...
So that’s all the “ evidence “ you need ? Don’t know why I was expecting more . From your article “ Older children and younger adolescents (5 to 14 years) account for 7% (7 058 748) of reported global cases and 0.1% (1 328) of reported global deaths “ TB kills 1.5 million people a year , about 250,000 of them are children , why did I compare the two ? Surely you can figure it out.
Vic Local wrote:"I know where some went, i know some *cough cough* anti capitalist/trained marxist now have quite nice property portfolio's.
As for Rebel News & Avi, im sure there is two sides to the story."
Really ID, Tell us exactly who is making billions from BLM. And while you're at it, you could name the people who have nice property portfolios on the back of the BLM industry. ID, you really can talk absolute shit about BLM. They live rent free in your head mate.
As for two sides to the story re rebel news and Avi the wife basher: well no, there's only 1 side to the story. They are simply for-profit activists who are happy to use racism, fear and just flat out bullshit to improve their bottom line.
Okay i should have said millions not billions, they officially made 90 million last year, that's just the official organisation and where did that money go?
Fuck knows and then imagine the other grifters using the name and movement, biggest divisive scam in history.
And seems like you have been living under a rock, one of the founders Patrisse Khan-Cullors the one who is a self proclaimed "trained marxist" has built a property portfolio of about 3 million up on it all, ironically all in predominant white neighbourhoods too.
"Inside BLM co-founder Patrisse Khan-Cullors’ million-dollar real estate buying binge"
https://nypost.com/2021/04/10/inside-blm-co-founder-patrisse-khan-cullor...
And now left the movement, cash in cash out i guess.
God the irony of this comment
"They are simply for-profit activists who are happy to use racism, fear and just flat out bullshit to improve their bottom line."
BTW. As far as i know "the Age" is also a business that makes money, more irony was when the ABC critiqued Rebel News for selling/promoting clothing etc, with the complete hypocrisy of the ABC at one stage even having ABC shops, i mean seriously people are free to make and promote their business to make money thats the whole point of business, nobody is forcing you to give your money away for a product or a cause.
Absolute bullshit ID.
Worse than blowin's crap.
Your story is a joke mate. Here's the fact check.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/04/19/fact-check-misl...
Like I said, BLM is living rent free in your head mate. you'll grab hold of anything to cut that movement down. It's starting to look like you really don't like black people.
Just for some context, the article i posted above was written by a vaccinated doctor. He's not anti vax, he supports vaccination in the right situations for people that take them. He's writing an opinion piece/historical timeline of the path the vaccines have taken. His summation is that the main problem with mass vaccination as he sees it is that coercion creates mistrust, and by coercing a large population, you're making your job that much more difficult to get people vaccinated. I
I'm open to all views, so long as they're not aggressive or force fed to me.
Here's some of that closing message. I reckon alot can be taken out of this by both sides of the debate. There's people on both sides who's views are so rigid, they're missing the evolving science and new empirical data that's developing re. the vaccines and the potential harm they can cause.
"Indeed, demonizing people for having doubts is the worst move we can make, especially since there are serious problems in our drug and vaccine regulatory systems. Some health organizations have become concerned enough about the effects of non-transparency that a group has formed, made up of the Leslie Dan Faculty of Pharmacy, University of Toronto, Transparency International, and the WHO Collaborating Centre (WHO CC) for Governance, Accountability, and Transparency in the Pharmaceutical Sector. In a report released recently, the alliance analyzed 86 registered clinical vaccine trials across 20 COVID vaccines, and found only 12% have made their protocols available as of May 2021. Scores of key decisions affecting the public were never made available. The U.S. government should immediately give the public and outside scientists access to raw data on which studies are based, and the minutes of meetings where major decisions are made on policies like mandates; we need the kinds of transparency Peter Doshi has asked for from pharma, and Kesselheim did from the FDA. Doshi and some colleagues from Oxford have asked, for instance, what the rationale was for the regulatory agencies to allow pharma companies not to choose hospitalization, death, or viral transmission as “endpoints” in the authorization studies. Let’s see the internal deliberations; let’s see the minutes of crucial meetings. All these researchers are doing is being true to the motto of the Royal Society, the first national scientific institution ever established: Nullias in verba, “Take Nobody’s Word For It.”
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Acknowledging severe problems in regulatory agencies or within pharma doesn’t mean believing that everything that system produces is tainted, or that all the people in those institutions are corrupt. In fact, it defends those with the most integrity—because it is they who are most frustrated by a system that requires radical restructuring and new leadership. Even if—especially if—we think of ourselves as “pro-vaccine,” we should want to rescue this extraordinary technology from the flawed and broken system of poor regulation, insufficiently transparent testing, and manipulative messaging.
But many are choosing instead to replace this conversation about the system underlying the vaccine rollout with vaccine mandates—a strategy that troubles even some of those who have been very invested in the success of the vaccines.
“Right now with these vaccine mandates, and vaccine passports, this coercive thing is turning a lot of people away from vaccines, and not trusting them for very understandable reasons,” Kulldorff says. “Those who are pushing these vaccine mandates and vaccine passports—vaccine fanatics I would call them—to me they have done much more damage during this one year than the anti-vaxxers have done in two decades. I would even say that these vaccine fanatics, they are the biggest anti-vaxxers that we have right now.” Those congratulating the United States on mandates “working” conveniently leave out that each of those “wins” is potentially a recruit for a resentful army that does not believe in vaccines. Imagine a scenario—already unfolding in Israel—in which regular boosters are deemed necessary: How easy do you think it will be to drag those people into this action every six months? Wouldn’t it have been more effective to have enabled them to own these actions for themselves much earlier—thereby making it more likely that they would sustain them?"
aside from that being the lamest lacking evidence inconclusive 'fact check' ever...
the point is, the blm chick has done very very well for herself in the american capitalist system, despite all the apparent evilness and oppresion...
a system she wants to burn to the ground and start again, with some neo-marxist ip inspired utopia, as the current system is irredeemable and irretrievable from her perspective...
if you can't see the contradictions and hypocrisy wrapped up in there, well, then you are irredeemable and irretrievable
she's a fucken grifter very similar to your little mate avi
https://mobile.twitter.com/najeeali/status/1382181828530884616
supa the TB issue is completely irrelevant to the decision to vaccinate children in Australia against covid. From what you have said I assume you are in favour of government funding for efforts to improve the health in developing nations and that you donate generously to charities that do such work. If not let me suggest a regular donation to Surf Aid or another charity known for their effective field work.
This is from the conclusion of that paper
"There are benefits of vaccinating children and adolescents that go beyond the direct health benefits. Vaccination that decreases COVID transmission in this age group may reduce transmission from children and adolescents to older adults, and may help reduce the need for mitigation measures in schools. Minimizing disruptions to education for children and maintenance of their overall well-being, health and safety are important considerations. Countries’ strategies related to COVID-19 control should facilitate children’s participation in education and other aspects of social life, and minimize school closures, even without vaccinating children and adolescents (24). UNICEF and WHO have developed guidance on how to minimize transmission in schools and keep schools open, regardless of vaccination of school-aged children(25)."
So, in the judgement of the WHO there will be a net health benefit to the child by being vaccinated as well as decreasing disruption to education which has been substantial in some countries and is likely to be a problem in Australia quite soon as case numbers rise. Then, thirdly, there are benefits to other members of the community....most notably the members of the child's own family. If you want to discount all that with your own children, good luck.
Rubbish sypkan,
She's had multiple jobs over the last couple of decades and earns FA from BLM. Hasn't taken a cent from them since 2019.
She's an academic, writer, and on the speaker's circuit. The houses are pretty bloody ordinary and you have no idea what they are being used for. The Murdoch scum press like to portray this situation as someone living a luxury life by skimming money from BLM. The reality is something completely different. They'd get sued for that shit in Australia but the USA is a defamer's paradise.
It's not like she's doing an Avi the wife basher and running sham court cases paid for by his idiot following.
@blindboy , from your article “ Vaccination that decreases COVID transmission in this age group may reduce transmission from children and adolescents to older adults, “ the word “ may “ in my opinion is not “ evidence “ I donate monthly to a village in Bali that has many health issues besides covid . What about yourself ? I know where every cent of the money I donate goes , how about you ?
Vic Local wrote:Absolute bullshit ID.
Worse than blowin's crap.
Your story is a joke mate. Here's the fact check.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/04/19/fact-check-misl...
Like I said, BLM is living rent free in your head mate. you'll grab hold of anything to cut that movement down. It's starting to look like you really don't like black people.
Your link is the joke it proves nothing and is intentionally misleading.
While true she might not have a 24/7 paid role at BLM, she does have her own business as a speaker etc and then gets employed on a job per job basis by BLM, and as founder obviously first in line for whatever job she wants and still has obviously made very good money from it all, i don't recall the exact figures she was getting paid for each gig, but it was very nice money something like $20K USA per event, she didnt just acquire a 3 million dollar property portfolio within a short time from working at Maccas.
BTW. There is countless videos on YouTube of black people coming out and calling out her scam.
Anyway ironically im hung over as all fuck after getting on the piss last night with some Indo boys most of which skin is darker than many African Americans.
ok vic vocal...
totally ignore my point and move the goalposts somewhere else
to your (new) points...
the facts of the matter are, she drew a 'professional' wage from blm and her other exploits... a very comfortable capitalist professional wage...
nothing wrong with that.... good luck to her... but it does kinda distance oneself from the burning and looting of ma and pa businesses for her agenda
and it does kinda contradict the oppression narrative she's pushing, a narrative that says the system is evil and irredeemable, and we should burn it all down, along with the family unit model... and start again in the image of her neo-marxist ip inspired utopia...
'houses pretty bloody ordinary'
bahahahahahaha
love to see that 'uninhabitable' cottage you are air bnb-ing on the surf coast
the hypocrisy, contradictions, and justifications of the very capitalist ip cultists know no bounds...
https://www.sahealth.sa.gov.au/wps/wcm/connect/public+content/sa+health+...
Here is a link to SA government press releases of daily covid cases in SA
Dec 1 to Dec 11
Vaccinated covid cases: 56
Unvaccinated covid Cases: 4
December 2 is especially spicy with 18 covid cases - 16 fully vaccinated, 0 not vaccinated and 2 unknown.
https://www.sahealth.sa.gov.au/wps/wcm/connect/public+content/sa+health+...
Yet, we have our premiers telling us that Covid hunts down the unvaccinated? and its a pandemic of the unvaccinated.
Sydney covid rise is mostly in vaccinated establishments (pubs, clubs etc) and occurring in mostly vaccinated people.
You're fully vaxxed, and a contact of a positive case, yet you will still be thrown in quarantine with tests every few days. but you got it for your freedumbs (thanks Vic)
When will you say enough is enough?
supa you ignore the fact that there are two benefits to the child in; the reduced risk of disease far outweighing the risks from vaccination and reduced disruption to their education. The flow on benefits to others simply mirror the benefit children have had through adult vaccination.
@blindboy , when you can post “ real evidence “ not “ may reduce transmission “ then I “ may “ take notice, but until then , no deal . I’m surprised you take what you have put up as real evidence. Anyway enjoy your day my morning duties are over and I’m off for a surf . Its also worth mentioning that omicron isn’t delta and it soon “ MAY “ be the dominant varient.
my thoughts exactly on reading that little passage supafreak...
ie. they 'may' just be clutching at straws, and hence 'may' just be displaying a gross overuse of the term 'may' ... as this 'may' facilitate the ambiguousness they are seeking, as there 'may' well just be a distinct lack of actual evidence..
maybe...
"There are benefits of vaccinating children and adolescents that go beyond the direct health benefits. Vaccination that decreases COVID transmission in this age group may reduce transmission from children and adolescents to older adults, and may help reduce the need for mitigation measures in schools. Minimizing disruptions to education for children and maintenance of their overall well-being..."
What a joke.
You clowns read a hit piece on a BLM leader by the Murdoch mob and you fall for it hook line and sinker.
Let's have a look at this line from sypkan. "she drew a 'professional' wage from blm and her other exploits... a very comfortable capitalist professional wage..."
Patrisse Khan-Cullors was paid $120,000 over six years by BLM. Do the maths idiots. 20K a year. Even if she's only working 3 days a week, her "very comfortable capitalist professional wage" comes out at $16ph.
You blokes have no idea if she part owns those three modest homes, what they are used for, and how much the mortgage is. What we do know is the money hasn't come from her $16 per hour wage from BLM. It's a fair assumption that those houses were purchased off the back of her successful book and other better paid work.
Looks to me like you blokes really REALLY can't handle a smart black women doing OK. ID specifically mentioned that the houses were in predominantly white neighbourhoods. OUCH. Tells us exactly where the nasty black person hurt you when she had the audacity to buy a house in the white folks' area.
You blokes have ticked off pretty much all the pathetic racist tropes favoured by poor white trash to attack black people.
lame vicvocal
maths
assumptions
book cooking
etc.
call me stupid, but i wouldn't expect anyone to draw a wage from a supposedly grassroots organisation like blm...
yes naive and idealistic too
so, considering the new fake left are totally cool with slave labour trading corporate dogs like nike giving their 'grass roots' cause corporate sponsorship level support...
which is somewhat hypocritical... considering the whole argument is around slave labour...
but putting that little hypocrisy nugget aside... sure draw a modest wage... but your figures and assumptions are a pathetic attempt at best...
she's done very well out of all her exploits, despite all the oppression and irredeemability of the system she advocates burning to the ground, she's cleaning up with a very healthy property portfolio of not really 'very ordinary' houses....
hypocrisy...
have I mentioned the hypocrisy?
and the well known trait amongst normal people, that they despise hypocrisy, ...really really despise hypocrisy, ...even over and above those people that they know are taking them for a ride... the right basically...
people hate hypocrisy
but the new fake left are totally cool with it... as long as the (capitalist) dollars flow....
they live hypocrisy
as do you
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/ricky-gervais-teaches-hollywood-...
Wow, VL, the king of redirection. Turning a covid thread into a thread about race.
fitzroy-21 wrote:Wow, VL, the king of redirection. Turning a covid thread into a thread about race.
You need to look closer it was ID that redirected by bashing BLM (as usual)
yeh enough of that...
let's go back to is it reasonable to require parents to vaccinate their 5 year old children in the current situation?
and perhaps just as important... is it reasonable that certain, forces, people, ideologies, think the above question should not even be asked....
now that's some messed up, overeaching, totalitarian, unreasonableness, from my perspective...
Whee good yeh! Let's go round the circle all over again!
sypkan wrote:yeh enough of that...
let's go back to is it reasonable to require parents to vaccinate their 5 year old children in the current situation?
and perhaps just as important... is it reasonable that certain, forces, people, ideologies, think the above question should not even be asked....
now that's some messed up, overeaching, totalitarian, unreasonableness, from my perspective...
Sypkan, Who or what are the certain forces? Is this 1 person? A group of people? Govts? Those involved in the new world order? Bill Gates?
Roadkill wrote:sypkan wrote:yeh enough of that...
let's go back to is it reasonable to require parents to vaccinate their 5 year old children in the current situation?
and perhaps just as important... is it reasonable that certain, forces, people, ideologies, think the above question should not even be asked....
now that's some messed up, overeaching, totalitarian, unreasonableness, from my perspective...
Sypkan, Who or what are the certain forces? Is this 1 person? A group of people? Govts? Those involved in the new world order? Bill Gates?
dunno you tell me...
maybe ask blindboy
you two are the ones who think it is an unreasonable conversation to have and endeavour to belittle and shut down anyone that goes there
personally, I think every responsible parent should be asking this question
I actually think they are, but the peer pressure to not go public with this query is immense
I don't get it
I know it's tribalism that's involved, but the vitriol and dismissiveness that comes from the likes of you two is off the charts
its just not healthy, for anyone!
Not vitriol, it's contempt.
sypkan wrote:Roadkill wrote:sypkan wrote:yeh enough of that...
let's go back to is it reasonable to require parents to vaccinate their 5 year old children in the current situation?
and perhaps just as important... is it reasonable that certain, forces, people, ideologies, think the above question should not even be asked....
now that's some messed up, overeaching, totalitarian, unreasonableness, from my perspective...
Sypkan, Who or what are the certain forces? Is this 1 person? A group of people? Govts? Those involved in the new world order? Bill Gates?
dunno you tell me...
maybe ask blindboy
you two are the ones who think it is an unreasonable conversation to have and endeavour to belittle and shut down anyone that goes there
personally, I think every responsible parent should be asking this question
I actually think they are, but the peer pressure to not go public with this query is immense
I don't get it
I know it's tribalism that's involved, but the vitriol and dismissiveness that comes from the likes of you two is off the charts
its just not healthy, for anyone!
Blindboy didn’t say “certain forces”, you did.
Can you clarify who the certain forces are?
you tell me why you think its an unreasonable question?
I meant ask blindboy why he thinks its an unreasonable question...
you two are playing this no platform game not me, maybe ask yourself
blindboy's issue is obvious, your's a bit more subtle
"yeh enough of that...(BLM talk)
let's go back to is it reasonable to require..." Hang on sypkan, I haven't finished with you yet.
Let's look at your last brain fart. "call me stupid, but i wouldn't expect anyone to draw a wage from a supposedly grassroots organisation like blm...yes naive and idealistic too"
OK, I will. You are stupid and naive. Do you seriously think large grass roots organisations don't pay staff? Are you really that thick? Grassroots charities, sporting comps, and other organisations have to pay people to keep them running when they reach a certain size. You bag BLM for having paid staff, but what about the RSL, CFA, Surfing Australia, and UAP. I particularly like that last comparison, because the budgets for BLM and UAP are very similar. Do you seriously think Clive Palmer is running his shitty political party on volunteer labour? Fuck no, he's paying people to make sure his "astroturf" sorry "grassroots" movement is functioning to achieve it's main goal of keeping the LNP in power. And he'd be paying a shit load more than $16 per hour.
sypkan Naive? Tick. Stupid? very big tick.
vicvical. thick as a brick? tick
I was being facetious while trying display some of my misplaced idealism
the way you come on here, with your high and mighty '...hang on I haven't finished with you...' superiority complex is so funny its not even funny anymore
dunning krugered to the max
and UAP
fucking hilarious
nice comparison...
not
sypkan wrote:you tell me why you think its an unreasonable question?
I meant ask blindboy why he thinks its an unreasonable question...
you two are playing this no platform game not me, maybe ask yourself
blindboy's issue is obvious, your's a bit more subtle
So, you get all conspiracy kook…and when asked to clarify…you can’t/won’t.
Gawd…you really are loony toons.
Back to the topic of Covid. Looks like the anti-everything mob are starting to run out of puff. Nice sunny weekend in Melbourne and no Freedumb rally. Have the morons decided to get a life?
The pandemic bill passed and the sky didn't fall in. Nobody wants anti-vax idiots at their workplaces so 95% of people look at the mob with absolute contempt. Even if people did support the mob's idiotic agenda, the nazis, QAnon nutters, and violent rhetoric is probably scaring a few people off too.
The old songbook is dated and the mob need a new boogeyman to be scared of. I'm tipping the string pullers like Palmer / Reclaim Australia / Rebel News / Hanson and Kelly are going to change their tune pretty soon. Something like Helen Lovejoy's "Won't someone pleeeeeeeeeeease think of the children (getting jabbed)" to keep the mob engaged.
My gut feel is this mob will go MIA over the holiday season and try and resurrect the Freedumb protests around Bogan Christmas, AKA Australia Day.
"dunning krugered to the max"?????
Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.
You obviously have zero understanding of Dunning and Kruger's research.
You've just chucked that in trying to make yourself look knowledgable and failed spectacularly.
If you were trying to humiliate yourself, mission accomplished.
Roadkill wrote:sypkan wrote:you tell me why you think its an unreasonable question?
I meant ask blindboy why he thinks its an unreasonable question...
you two are playing this no platform game not me, maybe ask yourself
blindboy's issue is obvious, your's a bit more subtle
So, you get all conspiracy kook…and when asked to clarify…you can’t/won’t.
Gawd…you really are loony toons.
dude, you gotta stop reading what you wanna read...
i meant nothing conspiracy kook at all
I never do, but you keep going back there
again and again and again
it's the one straw some of you have to discredit someone's position
stop it, please
there are many forces at work here
and ol' mate is a sucker for a heap of them
sypkan wrote:Roadkill wrote:sypkan wrote:yeh enough of that...
let's go back to is it reasonable to require parents to vaccinate their 5 year old children in the current situation?
and perhaps just as important... is it reasonable that certain, forces, people, ideologies, think the above question should not even be asked....
now that's some messed up, overeaching, totalitarian, unreasonableness, from my perspective...
Sypkan, Who or what are the certain forces? Is this 1 person? A group of people? Govts? Those involved in the new world order? Bill Gates?
dunno you tell me...
maybe ask blindboy
you two are the ones who think it is an unreasonable conversation to have and endeavour to belittle and shut down anyone that goes there
personally, I think every responsible parent should be asking this question
I actually think they are, but the peer pressure to not go public with this query is immense
I don't get it
I know it's tribalism that's involved, but the vitriol and dismissiveness that comes from the likes of you two is off the charts
its just not healthy, for anyone!
The way i see it they arent hidden forces as such, more just about money like most things, vaccine companies are business, their aim is to make money, it would be crazy for them to ignore the money they could make in the below 16 year old or below 12 year old market.
If there is a vaccine for kids governments have to either say yes or no, many governments just want to either try anything, or appear to be doing what they can.
The real question is, how much use is a vaccine for Covid in kids?
And whats the risk versus benefits?
Despite the slim/small negative risk, the benefits seem almost smaller.
BTW. The whole BLM conversation with VL is pointless, everyones a grifter to him except the most obvious grifters.
oh really vicvocal...
I pulled that one out because you used to use it on many people, all the time
whilst constantly calling everyone 'stupid' and 'idiot' amongst other things
your memory ain't what it used to be... (maybe) .... so I'll tell you what I said to you back then... my experience is the smartest people I know rarely call others stupid... they are much smarter and have more respect than to do that... yet here you are... day after day...
and then you had the cheek to pull the dunning kruger card as well...
this, from a guy that regularly calls what is clearly one of the smartest on this site stupid... (not me)
you are an extreme case of dunning krugered to the max!
no doubt about it...
it's not even funny, it's like teasing the special kid, but your relentlessness wears one down
indo-dreaming wrote:sypkan wrote:Roadkill wrote:sypkan wrote:yeh enough of that...
let's go back to is it reasonable to require parents to vaccinate their 5 year old children in the current situation?
and perhaps just as important... is it reasonable that certain, forces, people, ideologies, think the above question should not even be asked....
now that's some messed up, overeaching, totalitarian, unreasonableness, from my perspective...
Sypkan, Who or what are the certain forces? Is this 1 person? A group of people? Govts? Those involved in the new world order? Bill Gates?
dunno you tell me...
maybe ask blindboy
you two are the ones who think it is an unreasonable conversation to have and endeavour to belittle and shut down anyone that goes there
personally, I think every responsible parent should be asking this question
I actually think they are, but the peer pressure to not go public with this query is immense
I don't get it
I know it's tribalism that's involved, but the vitriol and dismissiveness that comes from the likes of you two is off the charts
its just not healthy, for anyone!
The way i see it they arent hidden forces as such, more just about money like most things, vaccine companies are business, their aim is to make money, it would be crazy for them to ignore the money they could make in the below 16 year old or below 12 year old market.
If there is a vaccine for kids governments have to either say yes or no, many governments just want to either try anything, or appear to be doing what they can.
The real question is, how much use is a vaccine for Covid in kids?
And whats the risk versus benefits?
Despite the slim/small negative risk, the benefits seem almost smaller.
BTW. The whole BLM conversation with VL is pointless, everyones a grifter to him except the most obvious grifters.
yep
this, and many other forces at play too
and not one that I refer to being conspiratioal in nature
I don't think the money one even goes close to explaining what we are now seeing...
it's more about desperation
saving face
power
ideology
academic / media tendencies
indoctrination
and more desperation....
some people are literally fighting for their livelihoods and all that they believe in... which comes back to i focus' point from the other day...
plus there's a dash of tds in there too
more than a dash actually
"Nice sunny weekend in Melbourne and no Freedumb rally. Have the morons decided to get a life?"
https://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/politics/thousands-of-proteste...
do you even live within the realms of reality?
totally embraced the post modernist indoctrination?
or just more bullshit and propaganda?
you are just weird
The evidence from the last wave in the US makes it clear that children are vulnerable to serious disease and, when case numbers rise, as they are likely to do.soon in Australia, the benefits of vaccination for the child far outweighs the risks.
https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021/s1102-PediatricCOVID-19Vaccine.html
do you even live within the realms of reality?
Happy to admit I got that wrong. There were no reports of rallies on the regular news sites I go to until a few minutes ago.
The gronks are still being gronks. Fucking hilarious these people banging on about freedoms like there freedoms are the only ones that matter. Nothing but a pack of uber libertarian fuckwits who don't give a toss about anyone but themselves. Refugees locked up for 8 fucking years by our govt and not a peep out of these flogs. Having to get a vaccine so they don't put others in danger and they chuck the toys out of the cot.
Move on dogs. Get a fucking life.
Vic Local wrote:do you even live within the realms of reality?
Happy to admit I got that wrong. There were no reports of rallies on the regular news sites I go to until a few minutes ago.
The gronks are still being gronks. Fucking hilarious these people banging on about freedoms like there freedoms are the only ones that matter. Nothing but a pack of uber libertarian fuckwits who don't give a toss about anyone but themselves. Refugees locked up for 8 fucking years by our govt and not a peep out of these flogs. Having to get a vaccine so they don't put others in danger and they chuck the toys out of the cot.
Move on dogs. Get a fucking life.
Hey VL, i'd encourage you to read that article i posted above. It addresses the extremism on both sides of the topic and the reasons behind it. Might be worth an hour or two of your time, it definitely put some things in perspective for me. Would highly recommend it to anyone to read with an open mind. Cheers.
sypkan wrote:"Nice sunny weekend in Melbourne and no Freedumb rally. Have the morons decided to get a life?"
https://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/politics/thousands-of-proteste...
do you even live within the realms of reality?
totally embraced the post modernist indoctrination?
or just more bullshit and propaganda?
you are just weird
Hows the focus of the article Syp. Crazy eh. Not one sided at all. Highlighting Tweets!!??? from anonymous nobodies!!??...., as opposed to focusing on the reason thousands upon thousands of ordinary people are giving up ANOTHER one of their Saturdays to march the streets.
The first comment (twitter post) in the article was the worst, something about calling the protestors wanna be fascist.
How on earth can you call people protesting for the freedom to choose to be vaxed or not fascist??.
Makes no sense they are pretty much the opposite of fascist, If they were calling governments pushing mandates fascist, then yeah that would make more sense.
I have to say these protestors are motivated though.
I've created a spreadsheet forecast which I'll update as we go..
There's also a website with live running data.. https://sites.google.com/view/stayhomeaustralia