COVID-19 Health System Overload Forecaster

It’s over I tells ya!

I can’t remember where this quote came from, I think it was Socrates or Yoda:

“Smilin', dancin', everything is free
All you need is positivity
Colours of the world
Spice up your life
Every boy and every girl
Spice up your life
People of the world
Spice up your life”

Michael Adam wrote:

At a time in history like this people should be doing serious research and asking lots of questions such as:
– how dangerous is the virus really?
– what am I seeing with my own eyes and how does that compare with what the politicians and media are tell me?
– what do real scientists and doctors say, ie. not the paid shills on TV?
– why are many highly qualified scientists and doctors (Nobel prize winners, inventor of mRNA vaccines, etc) being censored?
– why are doctors and nurses being threatened with losing their jobs if they disagree, even in the slightest, with the given narrative?
– what is actually in the vaccine and why are they being so secretive about it?
– has the vaccines been thoroughly tested?
– have mRNA vaccines ever been tested on animals and if so what happened?
– why are they so desperate to discredit long-standing medicines or supplements and allow people to die rather than at least give them a try?
– why are they so strangely desperate to inject absolutely everyone in the world with an experimental vaccine even though people who are vaccinated can still transmit and the efficacy is so poor?
– why are people encouraged to wear masks when so much science says they offer no benefits and actually damage the health in the long term?

I've been asking those questions michael, ...many of them for pretty much two years now....

still with unsatisfactory answers to nearly all of them

Im done with the suggestive prodding and innuendo, so tell me...

how?
what?
what?
why?
why?
what?
has?
have?
why?
why?
why?

your opinion is fine

that seems to be all anyone else is spruikung...

So are you two illiterate, intellectually challenged, unable to navigate the internet or, more likely locked into some conspiracy driven bullshit? Those questions have been answered endlessly here.......and everywhere else. Do you really need someone to hold your hands and walk you through it all again?

so just neoliberalism then?

the neoliberalism you oh so conveniantly rail against when it suits...

then fall in line behind like a well fed minion when it's big pharma, big science, big tech. and their so obvious corruption of what should be government / independent bodies...

ok, got it

fwiw, I was asking michael's opinion...

as he seems concerned, not too nutty, and a bit suggestive

wasn't really interested in the opinion of you the sheeple

again...

your opinion is obvious, tedious, and corrupted

the opinion of a one eyed bought blind man...

blindboy wrote:

So are you two illiterate, intellectually challenged, unable to navigate the internet or, more likely locked into some conspiracy driven bullshit? Those questions have been answered endlessly here.......and everywhere else. Do you really need someone to hold your hands and walk you through it all again?

A good point came up the other day about how people build their identity on a position built around a belief.

Pretty much impossible to change that belief in a normal setting no matter how convincing the counter argument is I think Trump followers were a good example.

People can change however its normally through severe trauma, life long smokers stopping after the cancer diagnosis (note not all) an example.

Watching arguments that are supported by a system of belief pretty much become pointless discussions... eh.

Ha ha you were asking the opinion of the bloke who was asking for opinions.......because you are incapable of finding out for yourself and determined to keep the bullshit flowing. Mate your posts are a millimetre deep and a nanometre wide full.of nothing but empty space.

so are you operating outside of this well known confines of 'belief' ifocus?

blindman certainly isn't....

his litany of recycled lies and false hopes on here is testamount to that

I focus the object is not to change the views of the idiot collective who fill the place with bullshit. It is to provide a touch of reality on a site that happliy hosts any and all conspiracy theories even those damaging to public health, as well as regular doses of misogyny, homophobia and racism.

sypkan quote one lie I have posted here........or fuck off.

rather than playing the personal attack game...

which you do straight off the bat... then get all butt hurt and moralistic with others about it...

constantly!

answer me this blindone...

when you see that south africa video, and all the saffa health workers desperately trying to inject a bit of rationality into the debate of the severity of omicron, you don't think it's been overplayed a little by certain quarters?

not even just a little?

and, do you really think it is neccessary and / or wise to be vaccinating 5 year old kids ...considering just about everywhere is on top of the worst of the death, doom and gloom?

serious questions

(if ya can tone down the vitriol and miserable false accusations for just a moment...)

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sypkan wrote:

so are you operating outside of this well known confines of 'belief' ifocus?

blindman certainly isn't....

his litany of recycled lies and false hopes on here is testamount to that

I did spend much of my life employed problem solving using logic and critical thinking those that couldn't didn't last 5 mins they usually went on to higher management rolls.

But realistically very few if any could be Spock but most people can be objective if they want to which you see very little of coming from people pushing anti vax / COVID is just flu, masks don't work etc.

blindboy wrote:

I focus the object is not to change the views of the idiot collective who fill the place with bullshit. It is to provide a touch of reality on a site that happliy hosts any and all conspiracy theories even those damaging to public health, as well as regular doses of misogyny, homophobia and racism.

Yeah understand BB

"Quote" as in what I actually said as opposed to your distortions. Pathetic as usual. Your posts read like the random incoherent ramblings of a diseased mind.

there is no such thing as objective

you are still influenced by your education, your language, and how you frame any situation

even an 'objective' science question posed contains bias...

and, fwiw, I haven't 'pushed' any of these...

'...pushing anti vax / COVID is just flu, masks don't work etc...'

quite the opposite actually ...if one doesn't let their bias and prejudice assume my position...

the questions blindboy....

and less personal attacks and projection please...

if you are capable

I answered that already. The answers are on this thread and everywhere else. I mean for fuck's sake "Is the virus dangerous?" 5 milllion dead and you seriously ask that fucking question and wonder why you get told to go fuck yourself?.....but they were old or already sick or obese so it's OK. Ja whol mein fuhrer.

that wasn't my question...

the virus, and us, have moved on considerably since the narrative you are so vehemently holding onto...

direct questions would appreciate direct answers thanks

the abuse is really not required

and is a terrible look when you constantly claim its everyone else who partakes...

do I need to mention your blind hypocrisy?

again...

yours and your bretheran

it really is a problem

anyway, would appreciate a couple of direct answers

thank you

Mate if you are lazy to flip back through the pages that us your problem. It us all there. And that was the first question in the list you quoted.

you seem to be having difficulty..

a group of you seem so flabberghasted and high and mighty, all the time... it appears you get all caught up in your indoctrinated miserable assumptions about people rather than taking issues and people on face value...

i digress...

I asked michael for his take on his questions

I asked you...

'when you see that south africa video, and all the saffa health workers desperately trying to inject a bit of rationality into the debate of the severity of omicron, you don't think it's been overplayed a little by certain quarters?

not even just a little?

and, do you really think it is neccessary and / or wise to be vaccinating 5 year old kids ...considering just about everywhere is on top of the worst of the death, doom and gloom?'

one more try...

really would be appreciated if you could see it within yourself to possibly engage in good faith

thank you

Nothing to say but here he is saying it anyway. Same old shit. Different day.

so you are avoiding the questions?

come on mr. big fella authority on all... im genuinely interested on your take on it all

quite interesting comnents currently coming from the saffa health 'establishment' ...for want of a better word...

blue diamond's vid above is most interesting too... (though not conclusive...)

you really confident in the 'need ' to vaccinate 5 year olds?

...really confident given current evidence and recent developments?

simple interesting questions

come on... don't be scared mr. bigman authority... give us your take...

.

awww come on mate, we're just 'chatting', ...that's what people do on the internet... apparently...

if you can't answer simple questions, ...one can only assume you are avoiding them...

because your are an ideologically driven evidence avoiding nutter...

which doesn't bode well for your arguments, or convincing-ness

not to mention you always condemning ideologically driven nuttery

need i mention the hypocrisy?

again...

. That's a full stop.

So no I am not going to repeat the same stuff over and over everyday. If you continue to ask.questions which have been answered repeatedly you are just a variety of troll and do not deserve a response.

So blindboy, by your response, are you saying there is a real need to vaccinate 5 year olds ?

blindboy wrote:

Nothing to say but here he is saying it anyway. Same old shit. Different day.

Yep…irrelevant last week, irrelevant this week, will be irrelevant next week.

Vermont pre rollout covid = Avg 18.3 /day > peak 188 cases/day + deaths 2.1wk > peak 6/day
Rollout Mid July > No Covid infections or deaths around here thanx!
Vermont was Vax Pleasantville with the perfect white syringe fences...(Ouch!)
https://www.reformer.com/local-news/vermont-leads-u-s-in-vaccination-met...
US #1 Model Vaxerz 74.5% Vaxed....until reality set in...
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/vermont/

Dec record Covid infections = Avg 137> rising peak 736 cases /day+ deaths 6.4wk > peak 2 x 6/days

White Picket Wash up!
#1 US Vaxed Vermont = 649% increased daily infection > 291% larger outbreaks > 204% more deaths.
(Provisional Apple Pie serve...as Vermont is skyrocketing Covid infections!)

MSM Version = Bravo! > Gold Stars > "Poster Child" > Vaxer'z Pin Up > Vax Nivana.
Experts opinion : "Vermont's reduction in Infection & Death is down to the Success of our Vaxes!"

(Cough!) Who has the heart to tell them?

Joe's mandate update.
Essential Mandated Pfizer Rollback Detox for Vaxerz...
Side FX ( Hurts yer bum a little bit more than the needles ) Can't sit down for a while!
Some might get their brains sucked out, but shouldn't notice any difference!

Hesitant [VIP passes] for all those that can accidentally on purpose slobber out their Cough Lollies!'

sypkan wrote:

there is no such thing as objective

.

Actually if you trade markets there is and many other walks of life.

As to your "position on anything" I have no idea was just answering your question.

Norman Swan sharing a preprint on the need to get a booster before 6 months. In the comments it has alot of people who got AZ both young and old angry and frightened. People saying they have tried to get boosters before 6 months but GPs sticking to ATAGI advice of waiting 6 months even though Omicron is causing breakthrough infections. XMAS might not be so merry.

This is even stronger data supporting why AZ recipients should be getting boosters much earlier than 6 months. Lack of protection against symptomatic Omicron @ 15 weeks albeit small numbers.https://t.co/OhgZ1pSN0l

— Norman Swan (@normanswan) December 10, 2021

supafreak going back to the vaccination of children the short answer is that, at some stage, they should be vaccinated. There are arguments based on risk/benefit that make some sense now but they won't in a few months time when the case numbers spike with the removal of restrictions and the impact of Omicron. The risk of serious cases in children may be small but the risk of the vaccine is still much lower. If children are not vaccinated it will spread rapidly amongst them exposing those children with existing health problems to an unacceptable risk. Similarly unvaccinated children will pose an increased risk to any vulnerable adults they live with.
As someone in a vulnerable age group I am happy to wait for a booster, one because I am able to take measures to avoid the current low risk of infection, two because I would like to have peak immunity at the peak.of the risk which is a couple of months down the track. If I had to commute everyday on crowded public transport my attitude would probably be different.

An interesting read if you have time on your side and can keep an open mind. 4 chapters. It's thorough and paints a good picture of vaccines, their history and where we're at right now....
https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/science/articles/needle-points-vaccin...
This particular part of the reading, an excerpt in chapter 2 stood out to me...
"In the current regulatory environment, companies run the studies of their own products. A Danish study found that 75% of drug company self-studies assessed were ghostwritten. A leading U.S. editor of a specialist journal estimated that 33% of articles submitted to his journal were ghostwritten by drug companies. These impostures don’t get adequately investigated by Congress because the pharmaceutical and health industries are now the highest-paying lobby in the country, having doled out at least $4.5 billion in the last two decades to politicians of both parties. “Pfizer’s PAC has been the most active,” STAT reporter Lev Facher writes, “sending 548 checks to various lawmakers and other industry groups—more checks than the actual number of elected officials in the House and Senate."

and, also this part of chapter 2
"In 2018, The New York Times’ pro-vaccine science writer, Melinda Wenner Moyer, noted with shock that she learned it was not uncommon among vaccine researchers to take the attitude that censoring bad news about their research was necessary, and that some who didn’t were ostracized by their peers:
'As a science journalist, I’ve written several articles to quell vaccine angst and encourage immunization. But lately, I’ve noticed that the cloud of fear surrounding vaccines is having another nefarious effect: It is eroding the integrity of vaccine science. In February I was awarded a fellowship by the nonpartisan Alicia Patterson Foundation to report on vaccines. Soon after, I found myself hitting a wall. When I tried to report on unexpected or controversial aspects of vaccine efficacy or safety, scientists often didn’t want to talk with me. When I did get them on the phone, a worrying theme emerged: Scientists are so terrified of the public’s vaccine hesitancy that they are censoring themselves, playing down undesirable findings and perhaps even avoiding undertaking studies that could show unwanted effects. Those who break these unwritten rules are criticized'

Chapter 3 gets pretty juicy. Compelling reading for everyone, no matter which side of the debate you're on.
https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/science/articles/needle-points-vaccin...

@blindboy , If omicron is proven to be less virulent and only giving very mild symptoms then I can’t see the point in vaccination for kids 5 -11 . It seems from reports around the world that it easily infects those already vaccinated so using children as an excuse that if unvaccinated will pass it on to others doesn’t really add up . Here’s an article from the conversation and remember these trials which were very small , weren’t for the omicron varient ( don’t think it was for delta even ) A couple of statements like this one “ No data is yet available on the real world effectiveness of the vaccine to protect against hospitalisation or infection in children aged 5-11, however this will emerge.“ Doesn’t convince me on the risk versus benefit. Are we also expected to give kids boosters every 6 months or less ? The reported side effects are said to be similar to adults. I know some adults really got knocked around . My 5 year old daughter has had more vaccinations than your average Australian kid and never had a reaction, no sore arm , no headache, nothing. This vaccine has me very concerned . https://theconversation.com/safety-side-effects-allergies-and-doses-the-...

Fair enough for the situation as it stands. Better data will start to emerge as the pressure on case numbers rise. I think it will support my view that vaccination is the way to go......but that is not certain.

bluediamond, when researchers come to expect that their results will be distorted, unfairly criticised and used to undermine good health policy, being human, they may go into defensive mode and refuse to discuss their work. Blame them.if you.like but the fundamental problem is that good science is being attacked for idelogical and political reasons.

So? What did you think? That it could be done in vitro? Or maybe that we should just abandon research into medications for children? My daughter had a severe allergic reaction to apricots! Every new substance, natural or not that enters our body is an experiment. Zero risk does not exist.

blindboy wrote:

So? What did you think? That it could be done in vitro? Or maybe that we should just abandon research into medications for children? My daughter had a severe allergic reaction to apricots! Every new substance, natural or not that enters our body is an experiment. Zero risk does not exist.

This isn’t research , its an experiment that is being rushed, for what reason ? It would be different if millions of children were dying from covid, they aren’t though. TB kills more children but where’s the billons of $$$ to fund a new vaccine as the new strain is resistant to old vaccine and antibiotic treatment. Did you watch superbug era ? https://iview.abc.net.au/video/DO1956H003S00

blindboy wrote:

supafreak going back to the vaccination of children the short answer is that, at some stage, they should be vaccinated. There are arguments based on risk/benefit that make some sense now but they won't in a few months time when the case numbers spike with the removal of restrictions and the impact of Omicron. The risk of serious cases in children may be small but the risk of the vaccine is still much lower. If children are not vaccinated it will spread rapidly amongst them exposing those children with existing health problems to an unacceptable risk. Similarly unvaccinated children will pose an increased risk to any vulnerable adults they live with.
As someone in a vulnerable age group I am happy to wait for a booster, one because I am able to take measures to avoid the current low risk of infection, two because I would like to have peak immunity at the peak.of the risk which is a couple of months down the track. If I had to commute everyday on crowded public transport my attitude would probably be different.

You want to vaccinate healthy young kids to keep you safe? Potentially put kids at risk to make you feel ok?
You are sick mate and that’s child abuse.

People have got the jab through pressure of losing their job, I hate to see the pressure the corrupt government is going to apply to try and get jabs in kids arms all without releasing any data.
I bet my house that bluey will get vaccinated early next year.

Do i get to keep your house Burleigh. Sounds good to me!!
After reading the above article i posted, and if anyone actually takes the time to read it, you'd have to be insane to now go ahead and get it based on the evolving understanding of it's effectiveness and its affects.

Roadkill wrote:

blindboy wrote:

Nothing to say but here he is saying it anyway. Same old shit. Different day.

Yep…irrelevant last week, irrelevant this week, will be irrelevant next week.

ouch!

you guys really sorted me out there, with your comandeering comand of the knowledge, nuance, and facts of the debate...

sorry for asking the question that must be on the mind of every responsible parent across the developed world...

ie., is it really necessary and justified to vaccinate my 5 year old child?

especially considering the virus is now showing signs of fizzing out...

...what was I thinking?

so irresponsible...

*effects *or affects. Maybe effects. Whoops. Apologies grammar police.

Here's one for the Freedumb fighters on this forum.
Something about fools and money being easily parted.
https://www.theage.com.au/national/the-price-of-freedom-how-anti-lockdow...

The usual suspects with the usual blend of random facts and illogical conclusions, but there they go anyway, setting up their deep knowledge (ha ha ha) of the issues against independent expert opinion armed only with undeserved self-confidence, self-righteousness, a sense of outrage and irrelevancies. (What exactly does the advent of resistant strains of TB have to do with covid vaccination? Will we ever understand the thought processes that can make that leap? Probably not.)
The arguments for child vaccination are easily found. WHO, Johns Hopkins etc etc etc. Since they are based on valid statistical analysis and draw logical conclusions, you need to specifically identify where they are wrong.

Ahhhhh your third vaccine and following vaccines now every 5 months. Because it works so well they want to give it to you sooner.
Sydney entering a new wave of covid, even though its 93% vaccinated? Must be because they gave boosters at 6 months instead of five.
QLD premier causing division saying the virus hunts down the unvaccinated, which is a mind bending statement.
Welcome to the circus, im going surfing, un jabbed, then ill get a coffee, unjabbed, then i will workout unjabbed and live my healthy life 100% free of adverse reactions & 99% + free of kicking the bucket from covid.

I like those odds

If you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas.

Vic Local wrote:

Here's one for the Freedumb fighters on this forum.
Something about fools and money being easily parted.
https://www.theage.com.au/national/the-price-of-freedom-how-anti-lockdow...

Happy to support some of them, others like Avi, not so much.

I like the play on words "freedumb" it can also be used for you, you're double/triple jabbed for your freedumb, yet if youre a contact of covid your freedumbs are still taken away.

overthefalls wrote:

If you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas.

For anyone that supports vaccine mandates?