Surfers and conspiracy theories etc
What I find most surprising about this article is that its CNN reporting it . https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/11/health/moderna-bivalent-transparency/inde...
udo wrote:Sorry i didnt name the Source :
Senator Gerard Rennick
What’s for breakfast?
A Pie
A Truth Pie
udo wrote:A Pie
A Truth Pie
Sauce ?
With Reliable Sauce, naturally.
Re - Lie ....able Sauce
burleighTUESDAY, 10 MAY 2022 at 9:12PM
Where's Covid gone? i've been traveling all over Australia the last month. havn't worn a mask once on a plane or airport. Ive not even been asked.
udo wrote:Re - Lie ....able Sauce
burleighTUESDAY, 10 MAY 2022 at 9:12PMWhere's Covid gone? i've been traveling all over Australia the last month. havn't worn a mask once on a plane or airport. Ive not even been asked.
The 3 Michelin star pork pies we get here deserve the best addition.
I would go with Espagnole! Bon appetite!
https://food52.com/blog/12209-the-five-mother-sauces-every-cook-should-know
udo wrote:A Pie
A Truth Pie
I recon you’ve been to Billinudgel for some humble pies lately.
The ‘source’ you’ve been squeezing on top is very salty
burleigh wrote:udo wrote:A Pie
A Truth PieI recon you’ve been to Billinudgel for some humble pies lately.
The ‘source’ you’ve been squeezing on top is very salty
Unfortunately they closed years ago , thai chicken were sensational
A covidiot looking for love. There must be a cooked acolyte babe out there somewhere...unshaven legs, hairy armpits come standard. Crushed velvet dress and a nose piercing...and off course half a brain.
“Even some of the awake people are f***ing nuts as well,” he said.
“There’s a small percentage of people that are actually awake and are critical thinkers that are not nutcases.
“To find someone that’s your soulmate – an unvaccinated, awake woman in these times, it’s going to be a journey, guys.
“I’ve opened my eyes to the universe and my heart to bring me that girl.”
https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/relationships/meet-jay-hernandez-antiv...
Unfortunately they come in all styles these days Roady, from the cliched hippy, to the floppy felt hat-wearing groover to the well-off and privileged.
What they do have in common is that they're easily lead and not big on critical thinking.
It's all about fashion, man.
“I’ve opened my eyes to the universe and my heart to bring me that girl.”
The utterings of a knob.
AndyM wrote:they're easily lead and not big on critical thinking.
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If you live in a glass house you shouldn't throw rocks AndyM.
But thanks for the laugh,
Says the fella who thinks that polio vaxxes for kids are to be avoided.
Says the fella who votes for, was it Malcolm Roberts?
Yeew, genius!
AndyM wrote:Says the fella who thinks that polio vaxxes for kids are to be avoided.
Says the fella who votes for, was it Malcolm Roberts?Yeew, genius!
Glad you brought up Polio. Your previous quote "they're easily lead and not big on critical thinking" is fitting for this. seeming you read an article of vaccine derived polio in london poo poo and decided it was time to re-vax every kid.
How are the kids going in London?
Porky pies must be half price this week at bed wetter central.
Jay's soulmate?
Factcheckers shoot Truth Serum Boosters over the bow of latest Wuhan Conspiracy Theory.
Nov 2019 Wuhan spillover event results in infectious Deadly Disease outbreak.
Requiring Closures & Year long Expert disease management of infected patients.
Only we're not talking about Covid...are we!
tbb was researching Global Drug shortage...
Which not so oddly traces back to November 2019 Spillover event in very same Evil Empire.
So what's the link?
Turns out only Nations that suck off Putin's Power Teat can afford to be Drug Lords.
Most western nations can't pay Putin's Power Bill for their Mass Drug Habits.
Multi Drug Nations have hassles with Multi Mass Poisoning of local Lake or City...(Bummer!)
This results in Cities or Nations of Drug resistant Populace....
Example : Follow outbreaks of TB and you trace the Drug Chain back to Big Pharma Epicentres...
Just hitch a ride on the Silk Road thru India to China....&...
The crew guessed it ...destination Wuhan...42 Big Pharmas oozing out 30% of MDR TB HQ.
MDR = Multi Drug Resistant (Mass Drug producing Regions & / or Wealthy Drug dependent Markets)
This Wuhan TB Disease mutates inside it's host then spills over to outbreak & close a school.
Nope! No Pangolin Pudding or Exotic Tasty Fruity Bats or Evil Drug Mules...
Just more of the same everyday highly addictive MDR Wuhan outbreaks.
Forward Quote: "There were 'few reports' of MDR TB Outbreak in China, especially during Covid."
Story goes...
Doped out Wuhan Dad was continually being treated for TB from 2007 > 2011 > 2013...on & on & on....
Here we see typical MDR ...the disease fights off the drug & keeps mutating as infectious MDR strain.
Nov 2019 Dad's TB strain has mutated to become strong enough to seek a new host...his Daughter!
The Daughter contracts same 2007 Cough & attends school until 15 Jan 2020 (Holiday / Lockdown )
Family are not keen on her attending Doctors for her common cold...so just grab cough medicine!
Daughter complies with strict Lockdown
10 March 2020 His Daughter complains of Left Side Chest pain when breathing.
We assume her Doctor sends her for Tests...(Next)
17th April 2020 His 17y/o Daughter visits Specialist Centre & Xray confirms TB.
Close Contact Tracing Team were called in & confirmed an outbreak
Infection rate centred from MDR Dad > Girl > Class mates...20[+] 82 + 1 Staff / 1other.
Recall that the origin of outbreak had been brewing undiagnosed as MDR TB since 2007.
This slipped thru for 13 years in the World TB HQ to then shut down school mid pandemic .
Stop & think of Hellish TB/Cov2 Twindemic we may have inherited from exact same time & place!
Yes! People...this Pandemic was simply a case or town away from being twice the World Crisis.
Only now was Dad finally diagnosed for the origin of exact same 2007-2020 MDR Outbreak Strain
Wuhan Viral Experts spent the next Year mopping this up...Shh! (Sounds familiar don't it!)
Wuhan has most Labs & MDR strains brewing endless Viral Strains for Decades future past!
Why do Experts need to source the origin when ya could just turn on yer tap for next week's strain.
26 March 2021 (Credit - China CDC Weekly)
TB Outbreak during Covid Hubei Province China 2020!
https://weekly.chinacdc.cn/en/article/doi/10.46234/ccdcw2021.145
burleigh wrote:AndyM wrote:Says the fella who thinks that polio vaxxes for kids are to be avoided.
Says the fella who votes for, was it Malcolm Roberts?Yeew, genius!
Glad you brought up Polio. Your previous quote "they're easily lead and not big on critical thinking" is fitting for this. seeming you read an article of vaccine derived polio in london poo poo and decided it was time to re-vax every kid.
How are the kids going in London?
Porky pies must be half price this week at bed wetter central.
You never did seem to understand how that polio vax thing worked.
Westofthelake wrote:Jay's soulmate?
Ha ha, the fucking head on it!
Burls' misso.
AndyM wrote:burleigh wrote:AndyM wrote:Says the fella who thinks that polio vaxxes for kids are to be avoided.
Says the fella who votes for, was it Malcolm Roberts?Yeew, genius!
Glad you brought up Polio. Your previous quote "they're easily lead and not big on critical thinking" is fitting for this. seeming you read an article of vaccine derived polio in london poo poo and decided it was time to re-vax every kid.
How are the kids going in London?
Porky pies must be half price this week at bed wetter central.
You never did seem to understand how that polio vax thing worked.
I guess 77% of parents disagreed with your bed wetting AndyM.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-63642669
Easily led? A critical thinker would say yes.
What's for dinner?
AndyM wrote:Westofthelake wrote:Jay's soulmate?
Ha ha, the fucking head on it!
Burls' misso.
Love is love.
Love you
Hey at least she knows how to get her kicks.
AndyM wrote:Hey at least she knows how to get her kicks.
How do you get yours? Dan Andrews or Fauci?
Stuart Lickspittler wrote:
Lickspittler is onto it.
burleigh wrote:AndyM wrote:Hey at least she knows how to get her kicks.
How do you get yours? Dan Andrews or Fauci?
Kochy on Sunrise mate :)
AndyM wrote:burleigh wrote:AndyM wrote:Hey at least she knows how to get her kicks.
How do you get yours? Dan Andrews or Fauci?
Kochy on Sunrise mate :)
I like his bald head too
It's like a freshly shorn scrotum - quite breathtaking .
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On a more serious note ……. Manufacturing certainty on the origin of Covid-19 is damaging to science https://www.the-microbiologist.com/opinion/manufacturing-certainty-on-th...
That's one of the problems - people want certainty in an easy-to-digest sub-60 second soundbite.
Real problem is little of what we see around us in the name of science is actually science, but more like the science worshipping cult:
I personally would have added an additional second last box to the worshipping method containing: censor and cancel any apposing research via information warfare.
Science is dead - buried and crushed under the rubble.
Where'd you find that gsco, the One Nation website?
Or maybe from a fossil fuel lobby website?
Just to attempt to bring this thread to semblance of a debate instead of a personal slinging match, I did share some statistical damning science a few pages back that could of shared some light on the excess mortality [causal] associations in Australia if anyone cared to look. A hint - it didn't look good for those that decided to be one of the 95%.
lol, AndyM. But Supa's article demonstrates it perfectly.
One the one hand you have a bunch of "scientists" presenting their "science" "demonstrating" that covid was man-made in and leaked from a lab.
And on the other you have a group of "scientists" presenting their "science" "demonstrating" that covid had a natural origin.
Each side believes with conviction that they are correct. It even degenerates onto a mob-like situation of sides claiming that they have the most amount of "scientists" on their side so they are correct since they have the "scientific consensus".
That's not science. None of the people making these claims are scientists.
That's political warfare using the science worshipping method as a tool to advance their agenda. That's basically what the article is arguing.
I'd call it the "science wars".
At best, and in the interest of being scientific, all these researchers can do is present their research neutrally as potential partial evidence, and not claim anything conclusive.
No seriously, if you want to write off science as some sort of cult, then opt out.
Don't fly in a plane.
Don't drive a car.
Don't go to a doctor or hospital.
Don't use a phone.
If you want to use uncertainty over Covid as a reason to freak out over science, (as opposed to freaking out over something understandable, like politics or neoliberalism) then don't be part of the "cult", don't trust the experts, go and live a medieval existence and abandon all these proven things that were brought about by the long and arduous application of science.
you're (intentionally?) misunderstanding me
AndyM wrote:No seriously, if you want to write off science as some sort of cult, then opt out.
Don't fly in a plane.
Don't drive a car.
Don't go to a doctor or hospital.
Don't use a phone.If you want to use uncertainty over Covid as a reason to freak out over science, (as opposed to freaking out over something understandable, like politics or neoliberalism) then don't be part of the "cult", don't trust the experts, go and live a medieval existence and abandon all these proven things that were brought about by the long and arduous application of science.
Science like flying a plane is real science. And doesn’t change. That’s the science you can trust.
Covid vaccine science that is constantly changing but you can not question EVER isn’t the science you can trust.
AndyM I love ya, but geez mate.
burleigh wrote:AndyM wrote:No seriously, if you want to write off science as some sort of cult, then opt out.
Don't fly in a plane.
Don't drive a car.
Don't go to a doctor or hospital.
Don't use a phone.If you want to use uncertainty over Covid as a reason to freak out over science, (as opposed to freaking out over something understandable, like politics or neoliberalism) then don't be part of the "cult", don't trust the experts, go and live a medieval existence and abandon all these proven things that were brought about by the long and arduous application of science.
Science like flying a plane is real science. And doesn’t change. That’s the science you can trust.
Covid vaccine science that is constantly changing but you can not question EVER isn’t the science you can trust.
Governments are using “science” to hide behind their corruption.
AndyM I love ya, but geez mate.
And you can add surf forecasting in there :)
A cult.
Something that should be crushed under the rubble.
burleigh wrote:AndyM wrote:No seriously, if you want to write off science as some sort of cult, then opt out.
Don't fly in a plane.
Don't drive a car.
Don't go to a doctor or hospital.
Don't use a phone.If you want to use uncertainty over Covid as a reason to freak out over science, (as opposed to freaking out over something understandable, like politics or neoliberalism) then don't be part of the "cult", don't trust the experts, go and live a medieval existence and abandon all these proven things that were brought about by the long and arduous application of science.
Science like flying a plane is real science. And doesn’t change. That’s the science you can trust.
Covid vaccine science that is constantly changing but you can not question EVER isn’t the science you can trust.
AndyM I love ya, but geez mate.
As I've said many times before, you can question Covid but it's ridiculous to question the efficacy of vaccinations more broadly, which is what happens.
AndyM wrote:burleigh wrote:AndyM wrote:No seriously, if you want to write off science as some sort of cult, then opt out.
Don't fly in a plane.
Don't drive a car.
Don't go to a doctor or hospital.
Don't use a phone.If you want to use uncertainty over Covid as a reason to freak out over science, (as opposed to freaking out over something understandable, like politics or neoliberalism) then don't be part of the "cult", don't trust the experts, go and live a medieval existence and abandon all these proven things that were brought about by the long and arduous application of science.
Science like flying a plane is real science. And doesn’t change. That’s the science you can trust.
Covid vaccine science that is constantly changing but you can not question EVER isn’t the science you can trust.
AndyM I love ya, but geez mate.
As I've said many times before, you can question Covid but it's ridiculous to question the efficacy of vaccinations more broadly, which is what happens.
The way covid was handled gives everyone the right to look deeper into big pharma/government relations and question what has and is happening.
Critical thinking, Isn’t that what you want?
gsco wrote:you're (intentionally?) misunderstanding me
I must be misunderstanding you.
I mean, looking to "censor and cancel any apposing [sic] research via information warfare" is applicable to any attempt to wield power.
burleigh wrote:AndyM wrote:burleigh wrote:AndyM wrote:No seriously, if you want to write off science as some sort of cult, then opt out.
Don't fly in a plane.
Don't drive a car.
Don't go to a doctor or hospital.
Don't use a phone.If you want to use uncertainty over Covid as a reason to freak out over science, (as opposed to freaking out over something understandable, like politics or neoliberalism) then don't be part of the "cult", don't trust the experts, go and live a medieval existence and abandon all these proven things that were brought about by the long and arduous application of science.
Science like flying a plane is real science. And doesn’t change. That’s the science you can trust.
Covid vaccine science that is constantly changing but you can not question EVER isn’t the science you can trust.
AndyM I love ya, but geez mate.
As I've said many times before, you can question Covid but it's ridiculous to question the efficacy of vaccinations more broadly, which is what happens.
The way covid was handled gives everyone the right to look deeper into big pharma/government relations and question what has and is happening.
Critical thinking, Isn’t that what you want?
Burls, a couple of things.
First I'm well aware of the existence of vested interests at the highest levels of government - the LNP when it was in power was riddled with ex-employees from fossil fuel groups and media companies.
It was actually quite unclear where big business finished and government started.
Unfortunately that's where we're at as a country and i doubt Labor is much different.
Next - for what it's worth I couldn't really give a fuck about the Covid virus. After the first month or two in 2020 it became clear that Covid wasn't a concern to me. I was vaxxed twice for work and that was that.
Should I have protested against draconian measures in place in Melbourne?
Maybe, but it would have been pointless.
I did my thing, lived my life and told everyone I met that if you vote for either of the two majors, you're entrenching this corrupt two-party power.
Finally - I'll say again, I have a lot of dis-ease (haha) about the way the Covid situation was handled.
But I believe the risks of Covid far outweighed the risk of the vaccine. Nothing I've seen hints at anything to the contrary.
And now we've moved on to excess mortality or whatever.
My personal jury is out on that one, there could well be more to the story.
Maybe we'll find out, maybe we won't, and we'll move on to dissecting some other aspect.
Critical thinking is essential but the problem remains - where are we getting our info and who can we trust? As far as I'm concerned, the answer to that is not some freak on Insta, or Youtube, or Tiktok.
And going down the rabbit hole of rejecting science more broadly is a bad idea, and only makes us easier prey to the bullshit artists out there.
"We live in an age when a high public health bureaucrat can, without irony, announce to the world that if you criticize him, you are not simply criticizing a man. You are criticizing “the science” itself. The irony in this idea of “science” as a set of sacred doctrines and beliefs is that the Age of Enlightenment, which gave us our modern definitions of scientific methodology, was a reaction against a religious clerisy that claimed for itself the sole ability to distinguish truth from untruth. The COVID-19 pandemic has apparently brought us full circle, with a public health clerisy having replaced the religious one as the singular source of unassailable truth..."
https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/arts-letters/articles/stanford-failed...
Some excellent points in that article.
- ‘members of the public should understand that many of those urging them to “trust the science” on complicated matters of public concern are also those working to ensure that “the science” never turns up answers that they don’t like.’
Shhhhhhhh ;)
So…
Who exactly are the bullshit artists ? ;)
And the alternative to rejecting science is what? Until a better alternative is given we have nothing else.
No one here is rejecting science, quite the contrary.
In saying that you're either misunderstanding the conversation or intentionally engaging in further information warfare.
The point is what we're seeing going on around us, particularly during and relating to covid, is overwhelmingly not science.
What we're seeing is biased, often fraudulent, misuse and abuse of tools and techniques of science mixed in with tools and techniques of information warfare for furthering institutionalised confirmation bias, manufactured certainty, manufactured consent, "consistent messaging", government policy responses and agendas, political warfare, corporate commercial agendas, culture wars, foreign policy agendas, etc.
Actual science is still out there being done...somewhere...(well I do it in my employment every day)...but it's overwhelmingly not what we're exposed to in the media, and I would say nor being produced in the research output of academia, etc.
Exactly.
No one is saying anything about rejecting science.
It’s about questioning, not rejecting it.
And trying to say ‘we have nothing else’ is a curious presumption and a dangerous absolute… maybe a ‘better alternative’ that is ‘given’ will only create a different rabbit hole to obscure an actual discovery from real data and real evidence.
Who is doing the giving ?
Reject manipulation.
Reject coercion.
Reject the denial of proven falsehoods and encourage accountability for state sanctioned and medically endorsed deception.
The ability to distinguish truth from untruth will be determined by direct experience - not through what anybody else tries to tells you.
So, while the west still pretends that China continues to fudge covid stats and data and we try and cry foul of lack of transparency and accuse others of forced propaganda etc. - some have conveniently decided to ignore that our own methods of media driven ‘expert’ advice is just as contrived and misleading.
Misleading as in ‘the vaccines prevent transmission’.
Contrived as in ‘we don’t do gain of function research but spend enormous amounts of money providing resources to foreign states so that they can do so on our behalf’.
The list of questions continue to grow.
Critical thinking is discouraged.
…As the actual evidence continues to mount up against the narrative ;)
There is a way to go yet ;)
I knew surfers weren't immune to being crazy, but a group?
https://www.facebook.com/groups/Bryonbaysurfers/?hc_ref=ARRWDoQ3b7IDHBjx...
No i am not a member