Death penalty for terrorists

all I can say is, if you guys think your gonna win this wider debate with the narrative from that article and the drum this week ...

You're fucking dreaming

Tarrant as with Breivik were only interested in taking down Labor Governments.
As Labor Governments were allowing more invaders into native lands.
Tarrants fight was with Labor Govt immigration less so...NZ/Dunedin/Wellington.

I noted Tarrants White Power/Templar salute in Hand Cuffs.
Important as it dedicates killing to Breivik rather than showing remorse.

[NEWS]
Turkish President plays NZ Muslim Slaughter Vid24/7 in town centres.

Reference to death Penalty...
"If NZ doesn't make you,we know how to make you pay one way or another."

Reference to rise of anti Muslim sentiment ...Gallipoli.
"Your grandparents came here and they returned in caskets, "he said. "Have no doubt we will send you back like your grandparents.

Now believed Tarrant also visited Turkey twice in 2016.

RE: Breaking News
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-03-20/erdogan-again-airs-attack-video-a...

I got 10 minutes into that Drum echo chamber bullshit and had to turn it off. The amount of pure sophistry going down was breathtaking.

When someone started going on about how increased traffic congestion, house prices and Sydney rental prices were being falsely blamed on immigration i was done.

Honest question- It seems that lots of Australians are very happy living within their cultural group and are welcoming of multiculturalism , but when the degree of alternative cultures starts making Australians uncomfortable its accepted wisdom that they are in the wrong and they can take their xenophobic attitudes and quietly move elsewhere. And not mention their discomfort if they know what’s good for them.

Why aren’t people allowed to express the desire to exist within the cultural paradigm they’ve grown up in ? Who was it that created the new circumstance that everyone must learn to enjoy ? And how did it come to pass that Australians never got a say in the matter ?

It seems that the desire of Indigenous people’s to maintain their culture and exist within their cultural groups is admired and broadly defended, but Anglo Australians are considered xenophobic and backwards if their preference is to be surrounded by their culture .

Why ?

Please don’t bother responding, Facto. I’m after considered responses not mindless insults .

A good and fair question Blowin. But some intellectual giant will sanctimoniously condemn you for deigning to ask it.

It was pretty hard work listening to the back and forth complete babble on that ABC drum and like Blowin said trying to link all these crazy things together with ever buzz word they could.

But at about the 30 min mark is the 3 to 1 thing, obviously labelling small incidents or something as terrorist, very misleading (and i think she said in Europe?) and doubt aimed at muslims.

As we all know, major attacks on muslims are extremely rare, there must be other major attacks on mosque/muslims but I can anyone recall an incident like the NZ one?

Meanwhile world wide we know radical islam is now a big and real problem, we all know of the major attacks, but there is many we don't hear of and large numbers prevented.

I know even in Indonesia a huge amount of attacks have been prevented, they even have a counter terroism unit and often hunt down and kill terrorist.

And well the number of white extremist in Indonesia is pretty small maybe some bogan in Bali or something?.

To sum it up:

Issue with radical islam= world wide problem affecting anyone caught up in an attack, and even in countries where muslims are a majority its still an issue, Indonesia is the prefect example and even muslims have died in bombings. (an Indonesian muslim girl i know has scars on her face from one of the Bali bombings)

Problem with white supremacy or even attacks on mosque etc= Rare and generally limited to areas where muslims are a minority.

So sorry Guy, i think that one is clearly busted.

"It seems that the desire of Indigenous people’s to maintain their culture and exist within their cultural groups is admired and broadly defended, but Anglo Australians are considered xenophobic and backwards if their preference is to be surrounded by their culture"

Hmmm thats an interesting thought.

Personally i like multiculturalism it makes things more interesting especially from a food perspective, i personally couldn't give a rats about my anglo culture or heritage.

Just think people should call things out for what they are and not have double standard on treating groups of people or religions.

Definitely , Indo.

But I do prefer the Australian way of life to be found in regional Australia. It’s unique in the world and it’s where I’m most comfortable.

And if I was to object to such a town being transformed into an unrecognisable multicultural hub within a few years I’d be labelled a xenophobe.

Yet a Balinese who mentions that they don’t approve of their town being transformed is sympathised with..

last post for awhile, I escaping this zoo.

blown, I too am unhappy with our population growth in all forms - refugee, permanent, temporary and student. In my opinion the rules are being badly abused and its lazy economics - a cheap substitute to growing productivity. Australians were never engaged in the decision making. We need an open discussion without referencing race but that's problematic given the demonisation that has been practiced since the Tampa. I support a sustainable level of immigration probably around the preHoward levels on % terms to today's total population. That discussion should happen and it should be civil, but do you reckon it would be?

Indo dreaming the dream, don't give a rats arse what you have to say on anything, after your outrageous comments of this week you have disqualified yourself from any dignified response. Now off your computer quick, Bolt is on Fox and you will miss the juicy bits. Go fuck yourself.

"It seems that the desire of Indigenous people’s to maintain their culture and exist within their cultural groups is admired and broadly defended, but Anglo Australians are considered xenophobic and backwards if their preference is to be surrounded by their culture"

To that the obvious question is what "their culture" actually is? If it's bagpipes and traditional folk songs, I don't see anyone calling for a stop to it, and in fact I see it celebrated. But where I see the pushback is when "their culture" is more aptly described as things like celebration of colonization and an erasure or minimization of what that meant for those already here, or various expressions of white nationalism and European exceptionalism.

@Guy

My apologies if i have made you think a little it deeper about things, i know it doesn't fit real well into your little bubble, off course much easier to blame the government for all the bad things in the world.

An 'exchange' with Larry the stooge you may have missed earlier, Moe:

"id love to smash or throw a few eggs at Kerryn Phelp or Sarah hanson-young."

Of course you would.

Or even deliberately bump into muslim women trying to do their shopping.

Lucky you're only a classic keyboard warrior, hey, and not, say, a personal trainer from Grafton."

And here's one with Curly:

"I'd like to throw eggs at sarah hanson young too!"

Fraser Anning = Phelps and/or Hanson-Young?

Fuck fake equivalence.

And you missed Dutton's equating the Greens holding him accountable for stoking anti-Islamic sentiment over the years with Anning’s shit-bag comments blaming the attack on Muslim immigration?

Fuck fake equivalence.

We could go on and on and on...

And as for your latest whine, you don't want "considered responses", Blowie, you want validation.

I'm sure it's out there. And not just from the other two stooges on here.

BUT...

For all your assumptive bloviating over the journey about who is, and by default who isn't, Australian, and what it means to even be an Australian (your definition...always your definition as if it's not up for analysis, reflection, debate...insert narrow bollocks here), guess what? And it may be a revelation here, you're NOT the arbiter, the cultural gatekeeper, the MAN. Hell, the big fella John Winston Howard had a go and we're still dealing with that legacy.

I'm Australian. Hell, I've been here longer than you. And I don't want anything to do with you, your ilk, and whatever "cultural paradigm (not sure you're really across the term there, are ya?) YOU'VE grown up in."

It's not my Australia. Rose-coloured sunnies off, it all seems pretty scared, petty, small-minded and pea-hearted. You are all out there though. Still. Getting more scared, more loud. More embarrassing. Some of you more dangerous. Diminishing numbers though?

And for all your scurrying all over the place, your China fear, your immigration of all stripes bête noire, your 'compassionate' indigenous comments, your stuff on this godawful thread (even pre-Christchurch!), mate, really, who are you kidding apart from yourself in the long run?

Geez , Dan , I don’t think I’ve ever seen the Australia you’re describing.

Have you ?

Maybe it’s time to rediscover one of the remaining small beach towns that are the last remnants of the way that much of coastal Australia previously resembled.

You’d better be quick. Scomo has got them in his sights for ludicrous, unwarranted expansion. And so does Shorten.

Classic thing is Facto that you know exactly what I’m talking about and you live exactly the life I’m referring to amongst people like me.

Don’t you live in a smallish beach town dominated by surfing and Australiana ?

Of course you do . And the way you and I interact with foreigners and foreign culture is exactly the same. Just that you don’t respect my desire to preserve the uniqueness of our place in the world .

You think that unless I quietly accede to it becoming just another global monocultural overrun mash up that is the same as everywhere and different only in its climate or position on the globe , then I’m an evil hateful freak.

Am I supposed to be happy when Australia is indistinguishable culturally from Singapore , Kuta , San Diego or London ? Cause in twenty years they are all going to look , sound and feel exactly the same.

What I’m saying is not bad . It’s not distasteful and it’s not inhumane.

You can keep trying to portray it that way if you want but you’ll never be telling the truth.

You were having a go at bogans ruining Bali last week. What you’re saying is that Australians have altered the Balinese way of life and you don’t think that Bali is better for it . What’s the difference ? Maybe you should give the Balinese the same speech you gave me when they complain about the Russian run surf schools , the fact that their kids can’t afford to live in their hometowns and that Changgu has lost its self sufficiency due to foreign owned villas replacing rice paddies.

""I'd like to throw eggs at sarah hanson young too!"

Fraser Anning = Phelps and/or Hanson-Young?

Fuck fake equivalence."

Fraser anning's stupidity and hubris are just as bad as s.h.y's., and vice versa...

No fake equivalence

They both deserve an egg

I said nothing about Phelps

@Fuckcum

It's equivalence they are all nutters, one is a far right nutter, the other far left nutters.

To be fair they all deserve eggs.

BTW. the little cheap shot weasel seems got off Scott free today, while that other guy that threw an egg at Julia Gillard in 2010 got charged with assault and received a fine. (from memory i think it missed too)

Sorry to disillusion you Blowin but in NSW anyway, coastal towns are radically different places from what they were a couple of decades ago, and given their blatant racism, intolerance of any difference what so ever and absolute lack of any form of cultural diversity, it is bloody good thing. Still working on your wayback machine in your spare time?

So sypkan eggboy takes on Anning, a largish aggro sort of bloke and you go for a woman. Violence against women is always reprehensible. Feeling proud of encouraging it are you?

An egg blindboy

Just an egg....

It's a symbolic egg. As I made clear in my post. And yeh, if I think it's good enough for a male politician to cop an egg, I think it's good enough for a female politician to cop one too. I call that equality, look it up.

Interesting you guys don't want to talk about the articles I posted. Articles from a lefty lesbian feminist socialist perspective no less...

Wait , are you actually attacking the small towns because they’re NOT culturally diverse ? I think we’ve found the extent of your proudly displayed tolerance....it excludes anyone who doesn’t want to live in the manner you choose for yourself.

I imagine you’d say the same thing when you visit small towns in Indonesia ? Tell them in your most beatific, patronising tone how much happier they’d be if only they were more diverse , if they just lived more like they do in Hong Kong or Los Angeles .

My yoga teacher is Brazilian and she doesn’t like this town . She says it’s too Australian ! Not diverse enough . I asked her what specifically she needed and she said she missed speaking Portuguese ! So she’s going to move back to Byron . Of course Byron looks exactly like Kuta . Or Tijuana . Or Koh Samui .

Can you imagine me moving to a small town in France and confiding in the locals that it was nice but that it was too French !

And what about your generalisations of blatant racism ? Did you just ascribe a shared negative trait to someone’s race ? Isn’t there a word for that ?

Actually there’s 3 words ....ironic , hypocritical and RACIST.

The town I’m in and the towns surrounding are very , very similar to how they were a couple of decades ago.

I do believe you are talking garbage to substantiate your flimsy ideas of how the world operates.

It’s pretty offensive how you just portrayed regional Australians. Common mistake amongst the “ sophisticated “ city dweller.

Blowin I lived in a NSW coastal town several decades ago for a few years. I also, for various reasons, spent a huge amount of time in another during the 1990s. Here's a little question for you. Which NSW town was the only town in Australia to vote against the 1967 referendum? Oh yeh Kempsey! Take your blinkers off mate.

Kempsey ? I’m glad you pointed out that there was just a single town which voted against the Aboriginal referendum 50 years ago , that fact goes a long way towards dismantling your general portrait of regional towns as hotbeds of racism.

Anyway , I was thinking of Denmark , Bowraville , Augusta , Hat Head , Bremer Bay, Walpole , Mallacoota and a thousand other little towns which are charming places just as they are.

But if you’ve found somewhere that you believe resonates with your version of the truth then good luck with that.

Perhaps you’d better tell the residents of Kempsey that they need some Blindboy allotted Multiculturalism to sort ‘em out . I’m sure they’ll appreciate your thoughts.

Obviously you’re referring to the large blackfella community at Kempsey ? You think they need to be living in an antipodean Beijing to be truly satisfied with their lives ?

Going for the full set there sypkan? Homophobic too.

Bowraville? Well mate I never lived there but I knew some who did and what happened in that town should be a source of shame to us all. Oh remember now, 3 indigenous children murdered and the local fucking cop did fucking NOTHING, said they has "gone walkabouts" And don't try to bullshit to me about that case with your usual fucking evasive crap because that one is really quite fucking personal. Yeh a fucking really lovely little town, for a white man with no powers of observation and no fuckimg interest in knowing the racist reality.

Hardly

I literally love the woman

Your thoughts in helen? Or the articles?

A White man with no powers of observation and no interest in the racist reality .....that’d be me right ?

Because I said it was a charming little town that doesn’t necessarily have to be turned into a crowded , globalist nightmare ?

You think it’s appropriate to shame me for the murder of three kids ?

I think you should check your insulting tone and your accusations. If you don’t like narrow minded , hate spewing freaks with limited mental capacity for reason then don’t act like one. I said Bowraville was a pleasant town and you chose a single incident to define the entire place. Maybe you should try going there ?

The level of hysteria and name-calling on this thread is off the charts, even by swellnet standards. The premise of the original thread - that terrorists deserve the death penalty- has been manipulated to push swelltonians' personal agendas eg we need to change government in Aus because of the NZ massacre-WTF??????????? In response to the original question raised by theween, I wholeheartedly support the return of capital punishment for ALL those who use ideology to kill innocents.

Agree.

If there’s no doubt . Be gone from this world.

Dumb-arse thread from a supreme dumb-arse from the get-go.

Posted in Wax On!

And you stooges keep digging a bigger hole. Some moreso than others.

But then that's obvious. What's that old quote attributed to Napolean again?

Anyway, rose-coloured sunnie alert. Actually, major assumption alert too.

"You know exactly what I’m talking about and you live exactly the life I’m referring to amongst people like me.

Don’t you live in a smallish beach town dominated by surfing and Australiana ?

Of course you do . And the way you and I interact with foreigners and foreign culture is exactly the same. Just that you don’t respect my desire to preserve the uniqueness of our place in the world ."

Erm, no.

No, no, no.

On so many levels.

Expansion forthcoming.

But then, on reflection, why bother?

It's not about the content, it's about the form. The connection.

Another maybe revelation. The 24/7 crew on here just live for the interaction. Whatever keeps the poor old life and mind fom eating itself alive?

Wow! Kinda sad, ain't it? And I mean that sincerely. Poor old buggers.

tbb owes D-Rex & all an explanation or somewhat of a small apology...
As recent event played out tbb chose a past site for Terrorist platform...
theween Sept 2017 reactivated 2 years later by tbb March 2019 (Blame me!)

(Pause)

Leaders 'Labelled Terrorist' event before theween forum was reactivated.
Please! It's important you know that! I never meant to fan the flames.
I meant to pass on Police message of Not Playing Vids...(All a bit too much!)

tbb revived past forum for comments rather than dedicate a new horror show.
Simple as that...
Cometh the hour the title could be less confrontational, no less so the topic.
Best you reapply the 2017 title with a 2019 train of thought...

Ironically we've now come full circle with 'theween' scenario > [Front Page News].
Turkish President now wants terrorist & all of us gone! Pedal to the Metal it is!
Seems tbb picked the right box after all...still fair for me to mop up if need be.

TBB, anyone that uses Trove is alright by me.

And by reinvigorating past threads perhaps it inadvertently lets people know that whatever they post exists in a wider world than the current Swellnet bubble, let alone the wider, wider internet world.

Lord knows I've tried.

"I literally love the woman

Your thoughts in helen?"

Calling Dr Freud!

Death penalty appropriate.

https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/driver-abducts-schoolchildren-in-ita...

And if you think the way Kempsey voted on an issue 50 years ago is deeply reflective of the town , perhaps it’s time you were reminded that your town managed to re-elect the worst politician this country has ever seen for his entire political career ......Tony Abbott.

Don’t ever make the mistake of believing that urbanised City dwellers are any more intelligent or open minded than their regional brethren. The only difference between the two is the size of their mortgages.

Well done factobum, that was actually funny. You haven't managed funny for a long time, you've been channelling too much nasty woman to be funny.

Now maybe you can manage honesty. What are your thoughts on helen? You can ignore the inconvenient articles if you like, just tell me about helen.

It intrigues me no end that she is a loud proud cultural marxist and manages to make a legitimate life in the media.

Something that eludes you,

How can she be so forward and honest in her articles yet so so different to you? both in her positions and style?

Honest question, you seem worlds apart

Been a lot of talk about white supremacy, in a lot of these articles shared

Do we consider this Australian middle eastern Jew a white supremacist?

Even got the Aussie flag cape in his youtube profile.

or this guy.

A Canadian Iranian X muslim atheist?

BTW. the first guy seems a bit of a looney but the second guy vids are actually pretty good/interesting like this one, only listened to a bit so far while doing other shit

"The level of hysteria and name-calling on this thread is off the charts"

But every one still talking............well yelling a bit at each other which is very nice.

I wish humorous content could be used a bit more however you cannot have every thing.

Breaks down a bit once the name calling starts, of course when you are taking punches to the head the below the belt option doesn't seem so dishonourable.

Biting follows the family jewels getting clutched in a vise grip and twisted but I don't think we have quite reached that point yet.

As for the death penalty I can only see one serious issue that it could be applied to (not terrorism) and thats fu(king WA drivers a cull would be more than appropriate.

"But every one still talking............well yelling a bit at each other which is very nice."

Not everyone, guysmiley has left the building...again...

But I dare say he'll probably be back...again...

Indo, your comments about PM Arden imo disqualifies you from even being listened to. I've read some foul comments in many online political threads. But that was up there. No retraction? No "I apologize if taken out out of context"? You in fact doubled down and played the online victim.
I've seen people here banned for waaaaaaay less.
Do the honourable thing and STFU.

Geez tough crowd,

I thought indod had a bit of s cheap shot at adern but didn't think there was anything that bad.

Anyway, check this guy out indod, I think you'll find hours of joy trawling back through his time line

https://m.facebook.com/theimamofpeace/?refid=7&_ft_=qid.6670631082013666..."1525256214386728"%3A%7B"role"%3A1%2C"page_id"%3A1525256214386728%2C"post_context"%3A%7B"story_fbid"%3A2362151480697193%2C"publish_time"%3A1553101219%2C"story_name"%3A"EntStatusCreationStory"%2C"object_fbtype"%3A266%7D%2C"actor_id"%3A1525256214386728%2C"psn"%3A"EntStatusCreationStory"%2C"sl"%3A5%2C"dm"%3A%7B"isShare"%3A1%2C"originalPostOwnerID"%3A0%7D%2C"targets"%3A%5B%7B"page_id"%3A1525256214386728%2C"actor_id"%3A1525256214386728%2C"role"%3A1%2C"post_id"%3A2362151480697193%2C"share_id"%3A0%7D%5D%7D%7D&__tn__=C-R

He's a bit nutty and hardcore for me, but I praise the gods there's people as brave as he

@Sheepdog

Oh please you can't be serious?

Im curious what did i say that you think should get me band from the forum?

The post didn't even get deleted, i can't see where it breaches Swellnet forum rules?

Yeah some NZ voters got upset (i believe island bay is also a Kiwi), but I know they are not afraid to bag out Aussie politicians, and if they can give it then they should be able to take it.

This is what i said, which was in part reply to Guys praise of her and suggestions of leadership, and not something i just said out of the blue.

"She hasn't done anything special, just playing it safe, really not that hard to do in the circumstances, few hugs, throwing on a hijab and translations in Arabic, its all just virtue signalling and saving face.

Id much rather have a government and prime minister that prevents incidents like this happening.

Were the allegations and links to radical islam in these mosque ever investigated?

If i was a Kiwi id be asking why was a person from another country with mindset and ability to do this let in and then not prevented from doing this?

(I should have also asked why someone capable of this could get a gun and gun licence in NZ?)

Yeah for sure like Sypkan said maybe a bit of a cheap shot, maybe a bit harsh, but it was written with a bit of emotion and frustration on Guys suggestion go her actions showing leadership.

Anyway FFS the bile that gets aimed at politicians and the government here pretty much every day is arguably much worse much of it really has no point at all or relevant to the conversations either, just pure insults for the sake of insults.

The irony here is you are the one that has these conspiracy theories that the government does terrorism raids at some certain time of the year that is only about politics. (aren't you also a 9/11 conspiracy theory believer, false flag this false flag that, thats the kind of shit that should imo disqualifies people from even being listened to)

I mean dude wake up, this shit is real, you should be praising our government be it Liberal or Labor for preventing attacks be it crazy dudes like this or radical islam, if these people had not been busted who knows how many innocent Aussies would be dead????

BTW. One thing i can say, i just heard on the radio she has clamped down on certain guns that can be owned etc which is great, but sadly a bit too late, now shit like that is leadership....

PS. On her wearing a hijab I have no issues with hijabs on muslims, i actually think they are quite feminine but IMHO a politician wearing one that is not muslim is just a political stunt and tacky, and like i suggested if Scomo or any other Australian politician put on islamic clothing for a public event I'm sure you would call them out on it and not take it seriously.

I expect many muslims would be divided on her wearing a hijab, i expect some would praise her, while others would find it inappropriate because she is not a muslim and not wearing it for the reasons muslim women do.

Indo wrote about PM Arden - "She hasn't done anything special, just playing it safe, really not that hard to do in the circumstances, few hugs, throwing on a hijab and translations in Arabic, its all just virtue signalling and saving face"

It's just disgusting.
There is NO WAY you would say that in public. There is NO WAY you would put your real name to that. It's crass, low, pathetic. It's bait. It's trolling 101.

Oh please everyone here calls out politicians who they believe they are not being genuine saying and doing things for public perception and votes, going through the motions needed, I'm certain you have said things here far worst about politicians and if it was Scomo doing and saying the same things you would be calling him out big time especially if he started using islamic props.

Only difference here is it doesn't fit in with your political views, so now you are trying to take some moral high ground.

Personally i don't trust or like her, i think she is fake and she has a history of it sticking her nose in Aussie issues just to make her self look good and i believe that was right after she got elected, which IMHO is even worse.

But thats just my view, your entitled to yours if you think she is genuine and somehow not like other politicians then good on you.

Just keep digging that hole, Indo.

@ Indo,

I'm not into moralising, but I reckon Ms Arden is fundamentally a decent person trying to make a positive difference and working to promulgate peace and harmony after an awful crime.

@sypkan

I did check that guy out, but yeah i don't know i think most of them are just a bit crazy, to much for me.

I only posted those other two because I'm not sure why, i must have clicked on something and triggered a youtube algorithm, they came up in my Youtube feed last night.

I did listen to the rest of that Iran atheist guy though, he seems more sensible no religious beliefs but was previously a muslim.

Pretty interesting and crazy some of it, for example in Islam before 15 boys are exempt from sin (9 for girls, its based on traditional marriage ages)

So anyway as a kid, he was scared of going to hell or whatever, so he thought if he killed himself before 15 it would mean he would get into heaven (or whatever muslims call it)

So yeah he tried to kill himself jumping though a window or something, pretty crazy shit.

Theres no hole Sheepdog, I'm not going to be bullied or guilt tripped into changing my views or not saying how i feel, you are just trying to take some high moral ground, which is crazy because I've read the shit you and others have said about politicians here.

@Spuddy

I think most politicians are generally good people, but they are also politicians and do what is needed and go through motions, which is to be expected, it's just how far they go, personally when they start using things like Hijabs I'm rolling my eyes, just like everyone would if Scommo put on some islamic robe after a similar incident.

I propose a fatwah on the term 'virtue signalling'.

Can I get an amen?