House prices
ALP has only just begun their destruction of Australian living standards
https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2024/03/albos-indian-army-invades/
But the fact remains, it's not left politics that got us to this point.
In the last year the ALP purposely brought 660,000 extra people to an Australia already suffering a housing crises of their making.
After promising prior to the election that the ALP would reduce immigration, the ALP grew the Australian population by 2.5% in the second year of the their governance. This is after record population growth during their first year.
Perhaps the worst is that contrary to more hollow promises, the ALP is accelerating its destructive and ruinous population growth strategy. Net overseas migration grew by 60 per cent compared with the previous year. Destructive and ruinous on all levels - Individual, societal and environmental.
Consider this….it took modern Australia 236 years to reach our current population. The Labor party will double this population in 28 years at their current policy setting.
How will standards of living look if the ALP is allowed to fulfill its insane political vision? The environment? The availability of water ? The species extinction? Net zero…?
Australia’s only hope is to rid ourselves of the ALP / LNP cancer killing our nation.
AndyM wrote:But the fact remains, it's not left politics that got us to this point.
No, the left didn’t. The ALP did.
As I have mentioned , Global Issues are at play .
Left or Right in Australia , have lead us here .
Capitalism didn't cause the deterioration in these important areas in the last 50 years .
The Right sure don't cancel a Free Press or force me to get a jab .
Immigration has exploded on Alb's watch .
Both Left and Right think our Energy Prices are worth a Greener Future .
Our Courts are way too Lenient , that's not left or right .
I just read on the Front Page of The Age today ( walked past it ) , we are using Diesel to make up for the shortage of Gas .
WTF !
Let the Right market ( ASX ) look for and develop Gas !
Thats not a left or right issue .
Why is our government getting bigger all the time ?
Look at the RED Tape !!!
Globalism was a FAD , a boarder line Scam , the Chinese loved it !
Thats not Right !
Slackjawedyokel wrote:AndyM wrote:But the fact remains, it's not left politics that got us to this point.
No, the left didn’t. The ALP did.
And not decades of Liberal policies as well?
AndyM wrote:Slackjawedyokel wrote:AndyM wrote:But the fact remains, it's not left politics that got us to this point.
No, the left didn’t. The ALP did.
And not decades of Liberal policies as well?
Australia's history started in May 2022....
Think of it like this ….
Youre in the back seat of a car. The LNP was driving you in a shitty direction for 9hrs although it’s the same general direction taken by the ALP in the 6hrs preceding. The ALP again takes the wheel. Instead of correcting course and driving in a preferable direction, they continue as is for the next 2hrs and look set to continue until someone rips the wheel out of their hands.
And they drive faster than the LNP ever did. And they are still accelerating.
Unless you like speeding down a one way road to hell you’ve got to get these bastards out of the driving seat for good. Cause it’s the only way they want to go.
Don't get me wrong, I've never voted Labor in my life.
But it's preposterous to not include the Libs in your condemnation.
And you need to mention that both parties are totally politically snookered.
It's an absolute shit of a situation.
Slackjawedyokel wrote:Think of it like this ….
Youre in the back seat of a car. The LNP was driving you in a shitty direction for 9hrs although it’s the same general direction taken by the ALP in the 6hrs preceding. The ALP again takes the wheel. Instead of correcting course and driving in a preferable direction, they continue as is for the next 2hrs and look set to continue until someone rips the wheel out of their hands.
And they drive faster than the LNP ever did. And they are still accelerating.
Unless you like speeding down a one way road to hell you’ve got to get these bastards out of the driving seat for good. Cause it’s the only way they want to go.
Good analogy....
But don't know how it will change.
I'll still state that ALP better option than NLP. You have to vote for one of them indirectly when preferences are given so even if you choose an independent as 1 you still get one of the majors and they made it very difficult for this situation to change.
Reckon we need a few more Andrew Wilkie's.
Same problems here as UK and USA and there is one common denominator that pushed us this way in my view. Might not be only cause but it's a major one.
Bloke who owns a media company that John Pilger was warning us about decades ago.
Optimist wrote:VJ….600mm centres for studs in a shed is fine as they would be steel or you can use 90mm pine later on to fill in between the ribs…house frames you do 450mm timber studs….always 450mm centres for any ceiling batons for gyprock.
If your going to convert a shed for a future house get the steel studs at 600 straight up on order and don’t forget the house type slab…it’ll have load bearing ribs through it not just a raft…if you pour the whole slab at once you can have shallower perimeter footings. This is called a monolithic slab.
Important too is get a stepped edge on your slab for any shed as you want the wall sheets to overlap the slab step at least 30mm. That will vermin proof the shed and stop unwanted visitors crawling in.
Shed houses are great. I know quite a few people who started with a shed with a view to build a house next to it and ended up just living in the shed and converting it legally.
Might look a bit odd in suburbia though…country style for sure.
If you’re a young guy building a house consider your kids.
A small humble home and a big yard for the kids will bring more joy than the reverse.
Everywhere I look I see all house no yard…kids just sit on devices inside.
Our families favorite home when the kids were young was a little two bed renter near the beach…
Cheap rent but not much room so I bought a 30 ft tri axle caravan from a residents park complete with full length solid annexe for $1500 take away...
Nobody wanted the old beast ha ha so I had it towed to the backyard…set up the large timber floored annexe and the 3 kids moved in there and frothed on it.
They had their own pad….surfed when they wanted and had friends over for movies and vid games….it was so peaceful in the little house for the missus and I.
So there are different ways to have shelter….just got to think it through.
Thanks a lot for clarifying Optimist, I'll show young tradie. And re: the 2brm small places with big yard spaces, I agree, some of my most fond memories of the kids growing up was in those small early rentals. My wife grew up as an only child on a remote farm (her brothers & sisters much older so moved away/boarding house) and she had her own caravan for tea parties/dolls, as well as her own motorbike and sheep/goats/cats/dogs/birds that she would travel around the farm with. When friends came over, the caravan was their place. We built a cubby house in the back yard of one place for our kids, they were lofted up at the top of the block and the house looked over the whole lot, up in the trees.
frog wrote:gsco has a point...
Things ain't normal out there and significant parts of the left have just gone so weird it is embarrassing and scary.
This is from Scotland but the same themes are everywhere including Australia.
Under a wonderful newly woke Scottish law, half the posts on swellnet could lead to prosecution of the poster or perhaps even the website.
If someone takes offence because you use the wrong word, comment too critically, joke unwokely, share a link that may upset somebody somewhere, or in any way criticise "marginalised" groups etc you can be prosecuted.
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/scottish-police-trained-target-actor...
Comedy will in future be restricted to jokes about middle aged white males and redheads - until redheads finally realise that they are suffer far more racism than almost any other group and start to use the law to fight back.
We redheads already know this. Watch out for when we go Viking.
Slackjawedyokel wrote:Think of it like this ….
Youre in the back seat of a car. The LNP was driving you in a shitty direction for 9hrs although it’s the same general direction taken by the ALP in the 6hrs preceding. The ALP again takes the wheel. Instead of correcting course and driving in a preferable direction, they continue as is for the next 2hrs and look set to continue until someone rips the wheel out of their hands.
And they drive faster than the LNP ever did. And they are still accelerating.
Unless you like speeding down a one way road to hell you’ve got to get these bastards out of the driving seat for good. Cause it’s the only way they want to go.
Also add it's more like turning a semi around in a side street.
stunet wrote:frog wrote:Not drivel - a very accurate view on the shifts that have occurred in recent decades.
I know you're not a silly person so I won't patronise you, however you're missing an important distinction: The current economic malaise was caused by right wing thinking and politics.
Say what you will about the cultural left, state of the Labor party....whatever, but the wider issue of where the Western world finds itself was not caused, as GSCO keeps stating, by left politics.
This distinction is important because some people are suggesting the medicine for the current malaise is an even greater shift to the right.
Surely you can see the problem here..?
Lots of forces at work and fault on every side.
But when you ponder some of the increasing weirdness and disconnects i mentioned, they do seem to be more on the "left" than the right. Why?
Well this is part of the reason:
Capitalism and free enterprise for all its faults creates wealth but also provides an anchor to reality. It provides a compass pointing consistently in one main direction.
The market punishes things that don't make sense or work well and that go "weird".
It provides a built in feedback mechanism and (in theory) a self weeding garden.
Swellnet as a web site evolved, improved and grows through this same process. It self corrects when needed and stays sort of in the middle ground in line with its audience.
But the further removed from such forces one goes, the greater the possibility for disconnects and weirdness.
The left tends to be more at arms length from such forces through being often funded by government redistribution of wealth. Its compass can point in all sorts of directions at the whim of the current trend or fad. Logic, cause / effect is less important. Feelings, ideology and now "my truth" are very important.
Hence the potential for the left to go down weird rabbit holes and even to stay down there building big warrens of weirdness and disfunction is quite high. And they have the better vocabulary to dress ideas up in terms of being fair, safe and equal shutting down deeper scrutiny.
Those with strong socialist leanings are more comfortable with things that don't make sense, are inefficient or off on some weird tangent and that may actually harm the organisation they operate within e.g woke Disney - ignoring their market in favour of an internal DEI agenda.
Woke weirdness is probably pretty rare among successful small business operators facing customers, suppliers and immediate feedback on poor decisions. But it flourishes in the cosy fantasy world of university undergraduates and tenured staff.
So the left has a natural leaning toward disfunction. Extemes such as the cultural revolution in China are a dramatic case in point. No free enterprise based society would do that. Bad for business!
The right, of course, can go feral chasing the dollar. And the power of big money is massively distorting at all levels. But that is another big topic.
frog wrote:stunet wrote:frog wrote:Not drivel - a very accurate view on the shifts that have occurred in recent decades.
I know you're not a silly person so I won't patronise you, however you're missing an important distinction: The current economic malaise was caused by right wing thinking and politics.
Say what you will about the cultural left, state of the Labor party....whatever, but the wider issue of where the Western world finds itself was not caused, as GSCO keeps stating, by left politics.
This distinction is important because some people are suggesting the medicine for the current malaise is an even greater shift to the right.
Surely you can see the problem here..?
Lots of forces at work and fault on every side.
But when you ponder some of the increasing weirdness and disconnects i mentioned, they do seem to be more on the "left" than the right. Why?
Well this is part of the reason:
Sigh...
Nice Post Frog , again .
Leaders of Countries , Right or Left , go feral after the Dollar .
The Middle East , China , Africa , Europe , for example .
Thousands of Years of Money hunting !
Wall St does this stuff for breakfast , bring on a GFC !
Those shits don't care .
Our Car Industry was not lost to China , we gave it 2 them .
The Japanese couldn't deal with our Unions .
Tariffs were always being discussed .
They could not make a 10 year Plan , work here .
So , Toyota moved their stuff to China .
Nothing 2 do with Globalisation at the time .
Loosing a Local Manufacturing Base , now sounds so silly .
Lets give Australian companies and Small Business a Helping Hand , 4 a change !!!
Take off The Red tape that Stops , the good people , Nation Building .
The Leads are now appearing all around the world .
This is a Global Fight !
The fight is now about Trust !
The people of the Left and Right , WILL vote Trump in , in November .
Wokeness is a Western Fad that even Putin laughs at .
Countries that are Woke are going soft , things are 2 good but things will change .
It's unattainable lol , its not fn Renewable haha !
Kids and Animal Farm Stuff ffs !
Too many people getting a Say , in how They think , WE should act and think .
Trump is NOT Woke and will Kill this waste of time .
Both Woke and ESG have Peaked , are NOW on the nose and will wither and rot .
About time !
stunet wrote:frog wrote:stunet wrote:frog wrote:Not drivel - a very accurate view on the shifts that have occurred in recent decades.
I know you're not a silly person so I won't patronise you, however you're missing an important distinction: The current economic malaise was caused by right wing thinking and politics.
Say what you will about the cultural left, state of the Labor party....whatever, but the wider issue of where the Western world finds itself was not caused, as GSCO keeps stating, by left politics.
This distinction is important because some people are suggesting the medicine for the current malaise is an even greater shift to the right.
Surely you can see the problem here..?
Lots of forces at work and fault on every side.
But when you ponder some of the increasing weirdness and disconnects i mentioned, they do seem to be more on the "left" than the right. Why?
Well this is part of the reason:
Sigh...
Haha thought the same.
very good post frog. I see this every day.
On the one hand I experience day in day out the lack of objective criteria, material consequences and connection to reality of academia, particularly the social sciences. In this environment, ideology and dysfunction reign supreme. And of course, social sciences like sociology are pure (left) ideology and nothing more.
On the other hand, in previous employment in algorithmic trading, every single decision made has immediate, potentially fatal, financial consequences not just for oneself but all employees of the operation, and the operation itself. It creates an environment in which one has no ability to indulge in the luxury of ideological fantasy, but only in fact, evidence, data, logic, reason, statistical and econometric analysis, science and reality...oh, and creativity and innovation.
my 2 cents worth...
if 'the left' cut their 'weirdness' free...
weeded out the nutters...
they could get on with doing the stuff that matters...
and, people could get behind the stuff they and the people 'believe' in
the nuts and bolts of what makes society work...
but people don't have faith in their wider agenda, because it all just comes across as nutty inefficient redistribution wackyness
callous, careless, reckless, redistribution, seemingly with a wider goal of... (or don't give a fuck if...) bringing the whole system down...
that's how it 'feels'
the fact 'facts' don't matter to the contemporary left... just compounds the 'feels'...
a recent example is labor being totally incapable - or unwilling - to explain the callculating of their supposed 'gender pay gap'
to them... it just is.... and don't dare ask questions...
I've said it before... its time to cut your benchongs free... and the whole anti science / anti facts calculating that supports the contemporary left's 'cultural' agenda...
belittling, mis- labelling people, and dismissing people's concerns just ain't working
(looking at you frown)
culture matters because... culture matters...
as do numbers, science, and facts...
its now a chronic case of self sabotaging...
for some crazy wacky form of ideological purity
it's nuts
Hey PD - the Button plan was never reviewed. If any of you recall that was the car industry plan done in the early 80's when we had 9 or so manufacturers or assemblers of cars (prior to this, local content rules made it cheaper to bring CKD kits to assemble here, thus my parents' Renault was assembled in Oz...)
The plan detailed a gradual removal of tariffs, which were dutifully removed. It wasn't reviewed, so the pace of reduction continued as planned. One by one manufacturers ceased production here... international competitors kept up protection, currency pegs and friendly rules frameworks to invest.
FTAs seemed to go one way. Just after the FTA was signed with Thailand, Ford Australia was ready to export it's Territory there - the next week a punitive tariff on any motor greater than 2.7L in size destroyed this.
Being owned by foreign companies also worked against our manufacturers - Ford never gave it's Australian arm the ability to export to mass LHD markets after the Capri, GM-H allowed Holden to export to the Middle East and into the US with the GTO, Caprice and SS, Toyota gave it's Camry plant exports - but they all reached a threshold where the lack of support made it unprofitable to continue. Without the last 3 manufacturers all ordering a certain scale, the tier 1 parts suppliers would not have the volume to survive. And so it passed.
So what did we lose? The family full size car at 35K, bought by gov and private fleets and traded to private buyers at 2-3 years gave perhaps the most egalitarian access to family vehicles in the world. Our ingenuity in getting as much as possible off a single platform saw most sectors of the market taken care of, and very special muscle and race cars spawn off these platforms - now worth mega bucks. There were full career opportunities locally in mechanical, design and production fields from degrees.
And what did we gain? Apparently cars were meant to be cheaper without the prop up of the local industry, take a look around now and how is the pricing? Other countries kept favourable conditions for production, they still have their industries and so are value-adding and multiplying wealth with domestic economic activity as well as earning international income.
gsco mkII wrote:very good post frog. I see this every day.
On the one hand I experience day in day out the lack of objective criteria, material consequences and connection to reality of academia, particularly the social sciences. In this environment, ideology and dysfunction reign supreme. And of course, social sciences like sociology are pure (left) ideology and nothing more.
On the other hand, in previous employment in algorithmic trading, every single decision made has immediate, potentially fatal, financial consequences not just for oneself but all employees of the operation, and the operation itself. It creates an environment in which one has no ability to indulge in the luxury of ideological fantasy, but only in fact, evidence, data, logic, reason, statistical and econometric analysis, science and reality...oh, and creativity and innovation.
hey gsco, I could teach you how to fold a couple of staples so you could take the counter-revolution right to the centre of the left hive mind and hit them where they hurt... you are in the perfect position...
Slackjawedyokel wrote:Yes…..it is all Labor’s fault.
The ALP is making decisions that result in Australians experiencing plunging falls in living standards. In real terms this means that the Labor party is making people literally homeless. They are making people choose between paying the rent and putting food on the table. The ALP is making people choose between obtaining shelter or raising a family.
Nothing you can say can hide these facts. The ALP is consciously choosing to destroy the Australia we know. And this isn’t the result of global issues, this is relative to our OECD peers who operate in the same environment. In fact we should be doing much better due to our powerful export industries and small population.
Australia will continue its rapid decline until every Australian realises that the ALP / LNP are not operating in their interests. The decline of Australia will continue until the ALP / LNP are disbanded as the population has recognised their duplicitousness and treason.
Look at the trend on every graph from a starting point of ALP governance mid-2022
This one is really interesting, everything kinda makes sense until just after 2022
Why did the OCED bounce back just after 2022 but Australia didn't???
659,000 people.
That's another new Gold Coast in one year.
Or a Wollongong and a Central Coast combined.
In terms of infrastructure/housing required etc , it's actually quite hard to fathom.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2024/mar/21/migration-numbers...
Indo because that's a per capita chart, so you are dividing by a bigger number, a much bigger number...
also, interest rates are transmitted here more directly as we have more on adjustable rates I think
Maybe above the right and left squabbles sits something else making all these things being discussed occur...
At the super macro level mass immigration is causing stress across the US, Canada, Europe and Australia.
Nothing so widespread and at that scale is by chance.
https://www.youtube.com/live/U1WMg5HuHwk?si=sZYRnvybp-irNKz2
Why not Frog?
Lots of wide scale, global or even bigger stuff happens by chance or other factors other than design.
A much bigger macro level of immigration was Homo sapiens out of Africa, which probably led to the extinction of other Hominids- Neanderthals, Denisovans etc etc
That seems to have been driven by climactic/biogeographical forces.
Current forces explaining migration seem likewise able to parsed- war, economic factors, desire for cheap labour, desire for skilled labour, etc etc.
(Not disagreeing with your analysis of the effects of that migration btw).
velocityjohnno wrote:frog wrote:gsco has a point...
Things ain't normal out there and significant parts of the left have just gone so weird it is embarrassing and scary.
This is from Scotland but the same themes are everywhere including Australia.
Under a wonderful newly woke Scottish law, half the posts on swellnet could lead to prosecution of the poster or perhaps even the website.
If someone takes offence because you use the wrong word, comment too critically, joke unwokely, share a link that may upset somebody somewhere, or in any way criticise "marginalised" groups etc you can be prosecuted.
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/scottish-police-trained-target-actor...
Comedy will in future be restricted to jokes about middle aged white males and redheads - until redheads finally realise that they are suffer far more racism than almost any other group and start to use the law to fight back.
We redheads already know this. Watch out for when we go Viking.
lol, my red headed son married a Viking descendent (Danish girl) now living in Copenhagen, I am about to have a half Aussie/ Danish grandaughter.
frog wrote:Maybe above the right and left squabbles sits something else making all these things being discussed occur...
At the super macro level mass immigration is causing stress across the US, Canada, Europe and Australia.
Nothing so widespread and at that scale is by chance.
https://www.youtube.com/live/U1WMg5HuHwk?si=sZYRnvybp-irNKz2
So I'm going through it and at about 29:40 he mentions that one goal is to get people to not to want to have children... OK - so how to respond to this? Birthrate of Australians is currently at 1.3 so that's way below replacement levels, and with housing situation at current crazy situation, I can't see it improving for young Australians. How to respond? I can only suggest crash the yoghurt truck early and often.
Everyone will now say how you can't/how irresponsible/no go get a degree - but examine this for a sec. This way, those very gov young leaders will end up funding your many children which is exactly not what they want. As always, choices and consequences and it might be doley poverty in this case - but is this better than working poverty with never enough house/money to have the children? Not intended as solid life advice, but the womb can be more powerful than the mind, look at all the surplus populations of the world and how they are taking over. If you think you are pretty good, surely the world could do with more of you.
In our own case, had children very early (or more precisely: at exactly the same age the preceding generation did) and it was one of the best things I've ever done.
Populate or perish.
ashsam wrote:lol, my red headed son married a Viking descendent (Danish girl) now living in Copenhagen, I am about to have a half Aussie/ Danish grandaughter.
That's epic, congratulations!
The Current Forces that explain Human Migration , seem a bit new , to me .
Not sure if people are being Pushed or Pulled , Out of Africa and into Europe .
The Migration into the US is ALL Pull , nearly atm .
Here , it should be Pull , the People we need .
We don't want to Pull any group , that will change the fabric , of our Culture .
Look what's happening in Europe atm .
Germany has changed , its fabric has been changed .
The British Foreign Office , still thinks it Rules the World , that's still the same .
Everyone now has Mobile Phones , 4 a start .
People Smugglers have all the latest Stuff , better boats and drones .
Its an Old Business still prospering , unfortunately .
Having Control of Our Boarders , has never been more important .
We should know how many people are coming in , for the next 10 years !
We need to Build Stuff , 4 them all !
freeride76 wrote:Why not Frog?
Lots of wide scale, global or even bigger stuff happens by chance or other factors other than design.
A much bigger macro level of immigration was Homo sapiens out of Africa, which probably led to the extinction of other Hominids- Neanderthals, Denisovans etc etc
That seems to have been driven by climactic/biogeographical forces.
Current forces explaining migration seem likewise able to parsed- war, economic factors, desire for cheap labour, desire for skilled labour, etc etc.
(Not disagreeing with your analysis of the effects of that migration btw).
Have you any evidence that the early hominid migration out of Africa was of larger scale? We have seen millions migrate from Africa to Europe in a handful of years in modern times. Are you suggesting that the Out of Africa initial migration was en mass and driven with the direct ambition of a modern African relocating to Europe with hundreds of thousands of their friends?
That’s ridiculous.
The modern migratory path is utterly unlike the initial human migrations which were not subject to both pull and push factors, which were never originated with such inorganic driving forces, which were never coordinated across entire continents with simultaneous movements.
To be honest Freeride it just seems all a bit silly if you can’t even deem to at least notice the shadow cast by the unnamed forces now driving world events. I understand inability to ascribe identity or motivations to forces which are shifting geopolitics as we know it , but to still claim to be unable to even notice the underlying patterns of obvious coordination and cross pollination of aligning interests across the globe is getting myopic.
Not sure how you can watch the various paths of migration into the western nations and the way they all share undeniable parallels and still remain wedded to unsubstantiated notions of coincidence, copy cat behaviour or poor political management within each of the many individual destination countries ?
The synchronous behaviour of the West is not accurately described by any possibility other than coordination by a united ideology which is absent from within the cultures of the sovereign nations themselves.
Why isn’t there a corresponding wave of migration towards the rich Asian nations like there is towards the West? It’s not like Sweden has more in common with Nigeria than Japan.
Pauline:
On behalf of the majority of Australians, I demand a halt on immigration.
— Pauline Hanson 🇦🇺 (@PaulineHansonOz) March 20, 2024
For many, many years, the Australian people have been telling us to lower immigration.
To keep the numbers low.
To put the interests of Australians living here before the interests of foreigners who… pic.twitter.com/VGwdRZGdXT
Thanks VJ
Amazing , the Skull that could Turn Human Evolution , on its Head !
We spent millions of years Evolving in Europe and are not Out of Africa , after all , perhaps .
Cool !
Pauline seems to be listening 2 SN , ex the race stuff .
A Pleb should have decided The Voice 2 , imho !
A globalists elite network with huge longstanding plans for power and control pulling levers all over the place must exist.
Why?
1. Because if you and your family and associates had the massive wealth and influence as many did centuries ago and today with global reach, why would you not strive to have a master plan.
- to protect and grow what you have
- to play the Great Game of world chess to fill in those idle hours and give purpose to life
2. If you chose not to fill that global role and not play the Great Game, then you expose yourself to the inevitable risk that someone else will.
The Mafia boss can't ignore the new city that sprung up in his territory. He must act and control it or lose.
It would be astounding if the great game was not in full swing with far reaching ambitions.
It would be astounding if the exploitative British Empire was let to wither away as appeared to happen rather than be morphed into a new more subtle, behind the scenes form of exploitation and control.
Finance and banking is one massive tool to use. Fund the favoured (Murdoch) and use debt to control who you will. No need for a Sir Francis Drake on the high seas to plunder - just use men in snappy suits in boardrooms to do it in private.
Power must fill the vacuum. The question is whom.
Back to immigration.
A key strategy is to divide and weaken any opposition - weaker nation states and weaker societal cohesion makes control easier.
Mass immigration serves this purpose well. It fragments and dilutes culture and shared values. And, it can be just the logical strategy of working to amplify and facilitate existing forces rather than doing some greenfield project.
Work with the flow.
On reflection, much of the disruptive weirdness in the world seems to be this purposeful amplification of existing forces and trends to the point that they become divisive.
Left and right are probably just useful pawns in the game.
Most people simply don't give a shit.
that will change.
Peter Voldy Dutton , has a chance to Puff again and send Immigration Ballistic , as the Number 1 Election Issue .
Its all coming 2 a head , in the last 4 weeks !
Just say , " After urgent discussions with our Coalition partners , We agree with Pauline , that a Plebiscite should decide Australia's Population intake , 4 5 years or so , Albo can decide ! Over 2 U Albo " .
Let Albo argue with the Press about it .
The Greens might be flushed out and have 2 agree with One Nation lol .
It will B a real Pigs Breakfast . if Voldy Puffs the magic words .
NSW to create youth agency as many young have ‘given up’ on a home
https://www.afr.com/politics/pipe-down-boomers-nsw-labor-to-bring-in-you...
No need to give up. There are opportunities. But usually the problem is that you can’t buy where you grew up. This is a problem that every developed country in the world is facing.
Pacific Housing Crisis Solution (OMG that sounds evil!)
Titanic Clive bills Govt $2.1b to build Housos of the Seas
Housos of the Seas is the most majestic Cruise Ship ever built in Oz & holds 7,000 passengers
Govt backs each Houso to buy $300,000 cabin / twin share ~ woteva floats yer boat!
Ship's life is 30 years or $10,000/ year (Several Options on Re/do or Salvaging etc)
Comes in at $200 / wk rent... Govt can dock the Cabin fee from Dole / Pension...heaps left over!
Sure...But Wot about horrendous running costs...$1m day? Huh!
Govt part owns 75% Houso cabins & leases out 25% Luxury suites to cover ALL Ship's running costs.
Can do the maths...all stacks up with 1,700 Posh Cruise fees...don't even need deluxe to cover the lot!
Govt could employ Houso Deck Hands to further cut costs or wages paid to fast track cabin ownership.
Buffoons Fingering Buffet Hams & regurgitating cocktail dregz into Houso Punch...bloody hard work!
Top class Cruise with all Meals / Health services + Bogan Racing Track / Flow Rider - Up yer Quoits.
Hard to believe isn't it?
Luxury Cruises cheaper than Bogan neighbourhood lots...now a reality
Govt / Council fees have priced Land folk offshore to Fee Free Floating Villas.
Only a matter of time before the impossible becomes inevitable...
Like it or not...we ordered this ridiculous all at sea shitfuckery...
Sky is priced way too high > Land-can't afford to stand > Sailing free for a modest fee!
All at sea Cruises are now way cheaper than a spin around the corner block!
Here's a shit hot value 3 year leasehold Cruise
*Life at Sea Cruises (Check out the Competitive Value)
$575 / week ( $82/day ) Save 15% Twin Share > (Less than Oz pension / Aged Care)
(Included) Family / Friends are invited to stay 1 month free of charge.
(Included) All meals + fine dining + Cocktails + amenities + Transport
(Included) On call medical / All Housekeeping / Laundry / Pool / Gym - Wellness Retreat / Lounge
Business Centre - Library / 14 Offices / Meeting Rooms Wi Fi
$30,000/year x 3 years / 200,000km / 7 continents / 382 ports / 140 countries / 103 Islands
https://edition.cnn.com/travel/article/3-year-cruise-mv-gemini/index.html
Housing crisis is all at sea...all now boat people you & me!
We decide which Houso Cruise restocks in Oz...
UN : "So Oz Pacific Solution falls apart at the last hurdle...bummer!
Crew : "Can't see any problem...mooring them off Boganville!"
I've got a feeling that this discussion won't just fade away by election time.
Bob Carr - "“I just wonder why this is the only economic model we’ve got – to force feed population growth, to run the highest imaginable immigration intake, and to condemn our big cities to a relentless chase to keep up in terms of infrastructure,” he said.
“We don’t have to do it to guarantee Australia’s prosperity.”"
https://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/australian-economy/we-dont-need-...
Costa Touring Crisis...Life on the Go...
Investigating the Cost saving of Housing without solid foundation.
Comparing living costs with minimum Council / Govt take.
Canvas > Slats > Rubber > Steel > Oars > Wings...anything ya like...that's the point!
Review will surprise where kickbacks seem to favour the wealthy > everywhere ya go!
Check the heavy toll on Donga Dunnies (Massive price to dump yer load where ya live!)
Note : Check price on personal WC Low cost for Dongas / Rail Cabins > (Instant VIP Pricing)
Now Check heavily subsidized VIP Cruises / Flight Clubs > (Lower cost Waste Water hook up!)
Tradie tbb wishes to point that out...(Servicing Waste System 'hook up' = Big Bucks!)
Camp Prices are all based on Typical Oz Regional Centre > Affording all 'New' scaled housing options
Included as Base Level New Mass Multi Class Group Housing with various personal secure amenities!
Lucky to happen upon this by accident, as it opens a whole new can of worms! A new world for sure!
https://www.hughendenvanpark.com.au/single-rooms
These are default costs...Extra Person $10-$15/nite = $70-$105wk (No Pets!)
Meaning : Security will be paramount...expect...Military Police Drone inspections + Dobberz!
$72.50wk Tent / Van Site
$182wk Power...Ok! $110 weekly power Bill for Lowest income group!
tbb is sharing this to expose these fuckers...sucking off poorest Aussies! (Stop this shit Now!)
(Pause!) This is why we're checking the same Camp Ground with all things being equal...
Power (Wow! All see that...{Kaboom}...but wait & watch this next shitty trick...you'll get a shock!)
Check the Posh Flush Donga Dunny...OMG-that's the real deal breaker...All say Aye...Fark!
That's exactly why we're investigating this exclusive alt off road POV Houso Itinerary Crisis!
People...this is entry level...Poor Bloody Aussies ain't got a chance in these Outback towns!
Check the Donga Dunny ...just a ship Container with Bed & Powerpoint!
$556wk Single Donga (Single Bed/Air-con /TV/WC-Shower/Bar Fridge/Microwave-Kettle (No Pets)
Extra Beds / Kids (See Above!) Yep! Add that to these prices! (Kitchen is less of a deal than Dunny!)
$651wk >$759wk > 868wk Cabin / Kitchen / Rooms / Veranda Styles (Note : Not Qld Spelling)
Cost runs #1 Dunny #2 Power #3 Shower-Sink #4 Cabinets #5 Build #6 Verandah (Qld spelling)
Could be lookin' at big investors movin' into Caravan Parks...all agree this Park is a massive Spend! Yes!
tbb is unsure, but hearing ridiculous prices for upmarket shipping containers...come on real quick...
Tassie has a lot a Goods come over that way saw Shipping Containers everywhere...but now up East Coast Oz!
.......Fuck this shithouse rort...........Let's get back on the road.....
$101wk Pass Greyhound Touring Oz (Choose 5x o/n Cycles) #1 Views / Recliner / wifi / Power / WC
https://www.greyhound.com.au/travel-passes/whimit/30-days
T&C is obscure about limits...just to book ahead near Peak Tourist season if ya wanna roll on longer.
Renew Pass > Resident Passengers can live / leave where/when they choose.(eg: Rest Rooms Routes)
$192wk Amtrak (1 month Pass) or 5 Trans US trips...(One only/year + No upgrades to Sleepers)
But see 10% Members Rates for Long Haulerz...tourists can apply as Members > see -10% prices!
https://www.seat61.com/UnitedStates.htm
$648wk Amtrak Members (Cross US Return @ 7 days) Recliner/wifi/power/Table/Footrest/Views
$1,584wk ( WC / Sink cabin -service) See Oz Donga above ( Personal WC ups the cost> Heaps!)
That price is Ok to split for two...recommend one at a time on the Loo...Poo! All yours!
Iconic Scenic itinerary routes / stopovers for minimum extra fees!
$575wk Life at Sea Cruising (Fully serviced / All meals/grog ) Fully Appointed Luxury Pool / Gym.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/laurabegleybloom/2023/03/09/now-you-can-liv...
7 Continents / 382 Ports / 140 Countries/103 Islands / 200,000kms (See tbb comment above)
This next deal seems like Hot Apple Pie in the Sky...but it does check out...very normal in USA!
So much so, that tbb thought to check facts + combo a VIP upgrade to give it more homely status!
$540 = 7x Standby Flights East (Sleep o/n) Arrive Sunrise $14wk Club -Midnite > Standby Fly East @
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standby_(air_travel)#History
1,500 Global VIP Airport Club Lounges /Media/Pods/Showers/Baby Hub/Complimentary Grog-Snacks
$554/wk Vip Class Residence with Cleaning-Luggage-Service & Hors D'oeuvres / Champers!
https://www.prioritypass.com/join-prioritypass
Also checked out users, say Universal Posh Clubs are less fussy...2 bob millionaire can wing this!
Each Night Flight to a Mystery Location to yer new Prize Home Tour...tough life!
Happy to share a new world of mobile residences...reckon there's more options.
Might try & revisit or expand on this theme...at least to expose more Cost blow outs like dunnies!
Seems like a good place to start...Thunderbox may soon again be the norm!
tbb grew up with Thunderbox & Bed Bungalow in back yard > Mates lived in Caravan Parks...
None of this is new to tbb...& we Gromz never knew wot a Housing crisis was...must be coz we were it!
No thanks
the numbers
those pesky numbers...
Australia’s migration data is below.
— Mickamious (@MickamiousG) April 7, 2024
98,022 Average between 1984 - 1993
Total import - 882900 after 9 years added to Australia’s population
74,954 average between
1994 - 2002
Total Import - 674,590 after 9 years added to Australia’s population
144541 Average between
2003… pic.twitter.com/VO1Lun3gxT
in a nutshell... labor has allowed migration numbers of 1 million people in 18 months...
on historical averages... that's a 10 year quota...
insanity
in so many ways...
ONE Million People in 18 months , that OFFICAL ( thanks Sypkan ) number is not Pesky imho .
That number is Outrageous , Irresponsible and Destructive 2 Our Way of Life .
If IT was a mistake , it HAS 2 B fixed NOW .
IF it was a Plan , Kill it now ffs !
Immigration IS the Most Urgent problem and will B the Election Issue imho .
Quite an interesting deep dive is available for immigration stats; like numbers (permanent migration v temporray visa), skills, countries. https://www.homeaffairs.gov.au/research-and-statistics/statistics/visa-s...
monkeyboy wrote:Quite an interesting deep dive is available for immigration stats; like numbers (permanent migration v temporray visa), skills, countries. https://www.homeaffairs.gov.au/research-and-statistics/statistics/visa-s...
Interesting stats there mb, could you try to find the financial threshold required for all these "skilled" migrants that are flooding our shores?
I read somewhere they MUST have a minimum of $2000,000 cash b4 even bothering to apply??
Nothing against migrants, one meself, however it seems to me the main reason is to prop up the banks houseing ponzi scam and all, harvey norman etc, oh i allso read there are pollies current and ex who own up to 200 investment properties???
Wonder if they are cashing in ther r.e. investment properties? and the cashed up foreigners are the buyers, cos locals can't.????
There's a challenge for someone with good comp skills to look into? good luck trying...ha!
Populate or Perish: South Korea (0.68).
Two reasons
1) High house prices as RE got financialised, and it's concentrated too
2) Young South Korean men got based and redpilled
$200,000 cash not 2000,000 my typo error, allso any bank loans for house or business are done through arab banks if they are islam faith, cos muslims don't believe in interest on loans.
So much for a "level playing field"?
House prices - going to go up , down or sideways ?
Opinions and anecdotal stories if you could.
Cheers