Turnbull rolls over "again" to the ultra right

Howzabout this from a surfer/business/politician dude (ain't that a rare mix)?

https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/secretive-tpp...

forget the ISIL shite, watch out for ISDS! Death cult!

It's called Globalisation , ladies and gentlemen and we all knew it would come to this.
Unless you chose to believe that Globalisation was limited to and defined by greater cultural diversity at the Westfield food court.
Some people around this great big blue ball are going to love it and their lives will be enhanced. Some won't be so lucky.
Change is coming and fast. Best you attempt to position yourself so as to maximise any possible benefits , as it's happening whether you like it or not.

To misappropriate an H G Welles *quote - " Slowly but surely, they drew their plans against us "

* sorry about that if you saw the unedited version.

floyd wrote:

http://bonzerthreads.bonzer5.net/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2013/12/GT_F...

This is the sort of globalisation I'd like to see.

Cool "T" Floyd;)

blindboy wrote:

Hi Dave I'm sure uppy will have some suggestions. Mine are 1. Don't get cold. Make sure you are warm before you go in and get out of the water before shivering sets in. 2. Wear shoes with good arch support or put orthotics in. Ditch the thongs for anything more than walking around the supermarket. 3. Try some running. Uplift will probably be able to give you a more precise exercise routine but a short (2-3km) run once or twice a week helped me. 4. Massage those knots away and keep them away.

Thanks BlindBoy
I walk everywhere in thongs. Up over D-bah Hill each morning and low tide might walk up and back to Bilinga. No wonder. THongs NOW just to go across to shops. Great suggestions and have a fun, safe and merry festive season to you all. Happy Waves and friendships for 2015.

Abbott government releases 10 billion dollar blowout on the day of the siege.... Conservative Ray Hadley takes aim at PM....
http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/ray-hadley-atta...

Hell yeah.. That conservative jock on "the simpsons" comes to mind...

Floyd -

One line leaps out from former High Court judge Dyson Heydon’s Royal Commission into Union Corruption:
… there is virtually no evidence of Julia Gillard’s good reputation and character beyond that which is to be inferred from her status as a former Prime Minister …
This was in response to a request from Gillard’s lawyers that the commission “give significant weight to Ms Gillard’s good character and reputation.” Heydon continued:
Hal Colbatch book on union treachery on the Australian troops in World War Two is well researched and documented,with first hand eye witness accounts by the soldiers that were there. Certain unions were in allegence with the Russian communist party and it was not until Russia became actively involved in the war that they stopped there sabotage on Australian troops.
No amount of trying to smear the reputation of the author will change the shameful facts.

A message to sacked Defence Minister David Johnston...

Roses are red,
Violets are blue,
I can row a boat,
Canoe?

I absolutely love that Abbot whacked an extra woman on his team and put her in charge of child care, I s'pose with Julie being overseas most of the time he needed someone in the cabinet to get serve the tea and biscuits.

Andrews to defence???? Morrison to "human services"???? Seriously???? Andrews is a hack.... And Morrison will no longer have his "I can't comment due to operational matters" excuse.... Expect Andrews to place all female diggers in the mess tent.... Free bibles to all frontline soldiers....
And I wonder if Morrison will be allowed to take his 90 spin doctors from immigration over to welfare....
These placements show Abbott is not fit to be PM..... If anywhere, Morrison should've gone to defence... His hardline attitude suits that portfolio.... But Abbott placed him in welfare not because of the betterment of this country, but because tones is worried about his own job, and Morrison will now have an even harder task of ever becoming PM.... Not too many welfare ministers have ever gone on to be PM....

yeah, Floyd.... And here's what hit man morrison will preside over... This really is outrageous...
http://www.theage.com.au/national/public-service/department-of-human-ser...

Both sides need to be held accountable on this one.....

@Sheepdog…yes, lets hope Morrison can get the department to pull its finger out on this one. It was not good that this started under Labor's watch. Usually, change of governments gives change of heads of departments - maybe not in this case. Good to see Xenophon checking this one.

No... Not good, Tonybarber.... Why labor started this I'll never know... But the coalition has been in now for how long? I'm sure they could've upped anchor on this.... But from what I gather, under the coalition, they are proceeding, to the cost of 1 million dollars........
As far as Morisson goes, I think he is a disgraceful person..... Not a pinch of empathy in his body.... But he will have nowhere to hide now... No "operational" excuses..... No 90+ minders.... Let's see how he performs outside the bubble....... Defence should've been his go.... The perfect place for a narcissistic cold blooded psychopath.......
The deckchairs on the titanic have been moved..... But it's still the Titanic....

@sheep…I can understand your opinion of Morrison - he is hard. But as a son of refugee migrants, I suggest he had to stop the boats to save lives - simple as that. What is a problem is how migrants (and refugees) are handled when coming into AUS. A very successful process was how they managed large refugee entries after the second world war. That process should have somehow been kept - it worked. It is a concern that many don't give a damn about refugee lives. Whether the department is right in this case - can't say. Unfortunately the previous Labor Titanic sank with too many captains. Lets see what this captain does. He certainly has not seen the icebergs.

Id never vote Liberal, i don't earn enough to benefit voting Liberal, but credit where credit is due they have done a way better job on the refugee issue than Labor.

But I don't for one minute believe its about saving life's, thats just spin, its about getting re elected and money.

indo-dreaming wrote:

Id never vote Liberal, i don't earn enough to benefit voting Liberal, but credit where credit is due they have done a way better job on the refugee issue than Labor.

But I don't for one minute believe its about saving life's, thats just spin, its about getting re elected and money.

Labor was letting them all in because they new they'd get their votes.

NSW Opposition Leader John Robertson has admitted signing a letter on behalf of Sydney siege gunman Man Haron Monis in 2011.

MONIS, then a resident of Mr Robertson’s Blacktown electorate, approached Mr Robertson’s office regarding a family dispute involving his former wife.

Hahaha, the Liars Party are up to their necks with this Monis guy.

Did anyone happen to catch the Penny Wong on your ABC tonight?
She reckons the extra $550 we get from the abolition of the the carbon tax shows how out of touch Abbott is with the women of Australia.
This is from the Labor Party assistant treasurer that gave us our 200 odd billion debt.

Your on a roll grocer converting more swinging votes back to Abbott with each comment. Keep 'em coming!

"Hahaha, the Liars Party are up to their necks with this Monis guy."

And the denial party is just that, grocer...... Iran asked the Howard Gov' in 2001 for the extradition of Monis..... The Howard regime didn't do it..... In 2001, the Howard regime gave Monis permanent residency..... In the past 12 months, Asio, under Abbott, couldn't even keep track of the guy... The federal police had false information about Monis having a gun licence......
Now this clown of a party, who gave this guy asylum, who cant even keep track of a known nutter, wants our metadata... If they can't even handle this, how the fuck will they handle metadata? Let me guess..... Metadata is more about catching pirating for cha ching than terrorism.....

Tones..... Abbott is not fit for it...... I don't mind Turnbull.......

Ha , convert the comrades ? No mate im getting to much enjoyment out of ridiculing you .
I bet Tony Burka signed that Monis letter as well

I enjoy your comments very much too grocer. You are a fine example of a Coalition voter. Keep 'em coming.

Who stopped the boats Sheepdog? Scott Morrison stopped the boats and saved thousands of lives in the process . And now he's been given the job of stopping the bludgers.
Do you have a job Sheepdog ? You don't sound too employable to me . I'd be a little worried if I were you .

I heard the new Minister for Social Security Scott Morrison will be abbreviating the department name to SS for short.....

Grocer, you need to address points when put to you instead of this vile abusive slander... You revert to these tactics time and time again, for the whole world to see...
Point A - your opinion on Howard giving Monis residency, and denying Iran it's wish to extradite Monis?
I mean you say Labor is up to it's eyeballs with Monis, but can't address these points....

Point B - I don't know how many boats have turned up because of the Russian like secrecy.. I don't know how many boats have sank due to Morrison not commenting on "operational matters".... I do know that we have broken international law, invaded Indonesia's maritime borders, had people die in custody, imprisoned children, and hidden behind "drownings" to implement bigoted populist policy to appease fuckstains like yourself.....

@Sheepdog…re metadata. You maybe interested to know that Google know more about you and what sites you go to than ASIO or CIA (no maybe not the CIA !). Ask any muso mates you may have about piracy.
You maybe cynical about the boat process but the fact is it has saved lives - and thats not a secret. You can't have human rights if you don't have a life.

Yeah, know about google etc, the U.S gov getting info off them etc etc...
Barbs... I am a muso.... I won't blow my own trumpet (lol), but yeah I know all about piracy.. I know all about copyright, long time participating member of APRA etc etc.... The real thieves are the recording companies.... But that's another story for another time....
Bottomline is metadata will prove useless.. Unless of course you are chasing royalties... the music industry is shot.....
Our "security agencies" couldn't even keep track of Monis... These same people will now be tracking metadata for our safety? They couldn't even work out if Monis had a gun licence, and subsequently embarrassed Abbott with their incompetence...
More policy to appease the frightened braindead fucksticks that are my fellow Australians... It will prove useless, as real terrorist will use age old techniques, and also have super nerds using the dark web...
As far as "saving lives" at sea, I wouldn't know... Information blackout.... Heresay is not fact...

"You can't have human rights if you don't have a life.".... Mate, you can't decimate human rights in the name of human rights
http://www.theage.com.au/comment/scott-morrisons-calculated-cruelty-is-h...

And as far as that Monis nutter goes, he didn't come here by boat.... he came here on a plane, business class..... The 9/11 terrorists got to America by plane, with false I.D..... This "terrorists come here by boat" invention of the coalition is just that... An invention..... If I was the head of an Islamic terrorist organisation, and I wanted some of my operatives to infiltrate Australia or the U.S, would I risk sending them on a 2 year ordeal, on rackety boats, with the risk of disease, cyclones, drowning, crocodiles?.... No.... I'd use my millions in Afghan heroin money to get the best false I.D, and send them through the front door, just like the 9/11 bombers......
This whole asylum boat thing is a shameful farce, and history will not judge us well.....

quote the tasmanian trubadour-"Barbs... I am a muso.... I won't blow my own trumpet (lol)"
bullshit dawg, they didnt call you buglebum for nothing!!!!!!!!
merry christmas to all u nutters, may u all have fun, maybe even some tubetime,
uplift, your calf exercises are killing me but drinking mag chloride hexahydrate and bathed in it, they said if u were deficient u may feel relaxed, i fell asleep for 20 mins. Am walking greenie to big groyne soft sand barefoot though and thongs are historical artifacts thanks again, bring on 2015, the year of epic surf yeeewww.

I don't know enough about meta tag stuff to comment on that, but i agree with your last bit about terrorist, how things are currently it would be easier to come in the front door rather than the back, change the system and make it easier and faster and the back door would become an easier option.

I do think securing our borders is a very important thing though and I don't think the issue is a farce, both Liberal and Labor know its important (off course this will never happen) but even if the Greens got in they would even have to change there tune and deal with it, its just a real hard issue to deal with.

Sheepdog, How do you think it should be dealt with?

firstly admit its being created. Without terrorists, military budgets get cut. companies that make military weaponary, anti terrorism stuff dont make money, war-equals money
humanity not going top accept war now- nukes- too heavy, so we have terrorism-equals money-profits
control by fear ensures profit to those that control fear
easy to do, create or stir up ideological differences between races and especially religions- profits, profits, and maybe booty if we actually have to go and do something about it.
whether you agree or disagree with this post isnt the point, the fact remains that until humanity respect each other, stop ripping each other off and put co operation before competition, duality reigns supreme- good vs bad, rich vs poor, winners vs losers, etc etc etc, a dualistic consciousness ultimately evolves into a wholistic community/biosphere, or it destroys itself.

"Id never vote Liberal, i don't earn enough to benefit voting Liberal, but credit where credit is due they have done a way better job on the refugee issue than Labor.

But I don't for one minute believe its about saving life's, thats just spin, its about getting re elected and money."

Couldnt agree more Mr. Indo D with the whole statement.

the coalition used "saving lives" as a proxy purpose for dealing with this issue, was anyone really convinced when liberals repeated this term time and time again as their main motivation? I think not.

"You maybe cynical about the boat process but the fact is it has saved lives - and thats not a secret. You can't have human rights if you don't have a life."

And there is tonybarber, the Labor man, towing the Liberal party line, again and again, give up the charade tony, you are only fooling yourself now.

Liberals used some very questionable tactics, but they have stop most of the boats in some way or another.

Also, Totally agree with sheepdog about terrorists coming by plane, the boat thing doesnt make sense,another Liberals' fabrication to stir up fear.

While I agree, Labor totally failed dealing with this issue, failed so miserably it was embarrassing to watch. Towards the end of their term they started to make some progress, which the Libs capitalised on big time, but policy after policy were inadequate, even counter productive from the beginning of their time in power.

This is a really miserable issue that there is no easy solution to. It really would be interesting to see the greens in power and actually have to deal with the issue because, sorry lefty humanitarian types, open borders just is not possible/practicle, and is becoming less so with globalisation, which is kind of ironic.

I think we all would like an open more fairer world but the reality is the world seems to be heading in the opposite direction, despite years of nice people trying to slow revert this . Advantage is too entrenched now with wealthy people from whatever country and their associated educations streaming them far ahead of less developed/advantaged sections of the world.

On the subject of "boat people" and how best to address the issue, one must ask the base question.

Why do these people leave their country of origin?

The first answer to this, although not definative is US foreign policy and as davetherave points out, war is a racket.

As for SS Morrison now in charge of the "bludgers"...tell that to the newly laid off 12000 mining crew over the past few months, my brother and I included. I've certainly paid my fair share (I've been a "lifter" for 20yrs, so has my bro) and I have insurance to cover the short term but what happens to those who have no safety net, or those whose safety net runs out before new employment is found...call them bludgers of course. That'll make em feel real good about themselves...gotta give those leaners something to aspire to!

grocer wrote:

One line leaps out from former High Court judge Dyson Heydon’s Royal Commission into Union Corruption:
… there is virtually no evidence of Julia Gillard’s good reputation and character beyond that which is to be inferred from her status as a former Prime Minister …
This was in response to a request from Gillard’s lawyers that the commission “give significant weight to Ms Gillard’s good character and reputation.” Heydon continued:
Hal Colbatch book on union treachery on the Australian troops in World War Two is well researched and documented,with first hand eye witness accounts by the soldiers that were there. Certain unions were in allegence with the Russian communist party and it was not until Russia became actively involved in the war that they stopped there sabotage on Australian troops.
No amount of trying to smear the reputation of the author will change the shameful facts.

I have only two point in response to this outpouring of dribble.

On the first point, that's great except for the fact that Justice Heydon didn't write that in the report.

On the second point, Hal Colebatch made most of that shit up, including his first hand eye witness accounts. According to him, 12 planes were lost due to unionists stopping some radar repairs, unfortunately these planes were American planes, they had never been in Australia, there was no record of 12 planes going missing anywhere at any time and there was no problem with the radar.

There's no need to smear the author, he does that himself. His book is full of lies.

On the other hand, 'pig-iron' Bob Menzies did sell iron to Japan as WWII was hotting up, and Alexander Downer did sell wheat to Saddam Hussein while an international blockade was in force.

You are a troll aren't you grocer. I hope so. It worries me that there are so many people out there who are genuinely as stupid as that.

Maybe some of the braindead voters on both sides can take something away from this...

Yes stormy clouds on the horizon.
Car Industry like mining can be skilled & semi skilled but very job specific.
I've rang a heap of Liberal Senators in recent months regarding post manufacturing & none of them have a game plan, business as usual they say, that's the scary part !

PS - This is my 1st post, I've checked Swellnet for yrs looking at surf stuff but this thread has some great ideas/comments. Keep it coming, all the best for 2015 folks.

Grocer, if ya really want to kinow what Trade Union Royal Commissioner Dyson Heydon actually wrote, here is his interim report...

http://www.tradeunionroyalcommission.gov.au/reports/Pages/default.aspx

And check out Wixxyleaks (Peter Wicks) break down of the commision so far...at least he is one journo that tells it how it is.

http://wixxyleaks.com/thank-you-giving-thanks-for-the-interim-commissioners-report-into-trade-unions/

indo-dreaming wrote:

I don't know enough about meta tag stuff to comment on that, but i agree with your last bit about terrorist, how things are currently it would be easier to come in the front door rather than the back, change the system and make it easier and faster and the back door would become an easier option.

I do think securing our borders is a very important thing though and I don't think the issue is a farce, both Liberal and Labor know its important (off course this will never happen) but even if the Greens got in they would even have to change there tune and deal with it, its just a real hard issue to deal with.

Sheepdog, How do you think it should be dealt with?

How should it be dealt with? That depends on what outcome you want, Indo.... But when you join a war, and when people are threatened with death, they run, they swim, they dig there way to safety.... We were involved in Vietnam... Because we were involved, many Vietnamese came here by boat... This is what happens.... Many Vietnamese on the allied side heard of Australia and the USA. They associated with us during the war, and heard of the "freedom"..... Well it's no different today in the middle east/Afghanistan....
Barbs brought up an interesting point re' "human rights"..... Now maybe the drownings have stopped.. Maybe.... I wouldn't know. I'm not allowed to know..... But I'd like to know how many civilians have died in the middle east since the boats stopped.... And how many of those deaths are due to the fact that these folk have been scared out of running from the bombs by Morrison..... I'm sure many have died because they can't get on a boat... I'd say some have even died from Allied "friendly fire".... But who cares..... No votes in it... Collateral damage....
And this is more complicated than what jimmy the dave rave biscuit muncher had to say.... Biscuit boy, you didn't mention 2000 years of religious nutterdome.... You didn't mention the British empire drawing white man boundaries in the middle east as the spoils of ww1..... Or Israel... Absolute convolution....

Now Indo, refugees can be looked at as the dripping blood of war...... Drip drip drip...... The blood will continue to drip when the wound is not dealt with..... The wound is not being dealt with properly... And whilst we are taking part in the creating of more bloodshed, more wounds, expect more blood to drip..

Whilst we drop bombs on someone elses land, whether we are right or wrong in doing so, morally we should shelter those running, running from the bombs that we and the enemy are dropping.

your totally right Sheepdog,
but the numbers, its all about the numbers
you cant take everyone,
And not all refugees are from the middle east,
the rest probably come form fucked up former western colonies, so where and how do you draw the line?

SD, basically what I wanted to say but the new epilepsy drugs have got me living in a fog right now and I just can't be fucked typing out a novel of thoughts...I'll defer to you from now on haha.

Tripper....lol....
Sypo'

The numbers aren't that great mate... An illusion - less than 1.5% of all immigrants come by boat..

BTW, here are the arrivals.. Note spike after 2008/09
http://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_Departments/Parliam...

Here are bodycounts for Iraq and Afghanistan
https://www.iraqbodycount.org/database/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_casualties_in_the_War_in_Afghanistan_(2001%E2%80%93present)#Civilian_and_overall_casualties_.282009.29

Note death spike in Afghanistan 2008/09..... Note death spike in Iraq 2013.... Perfect correlation with spike in boats...... Top 5 boat people are - Iraq, Afghanistan, Sri Lanka, Iran and "stateless"..... perfect nationality correlation with rise in violence and death in Iraq, Afghanistan, Tamil Sri lanka....