Turnbull rolls over "again" to the ultra right
dont believe him floyd, always practicing leg spin, so he could just get those wrists a bit more of a work out. loved murali, had posters up on his dunny walls as well as warney. Dont buy the pie called the Googly for gods sake. "all is good with the pies mate"- now your a collingwood supporter, gutted jimmy, just gutted, loved your chicken fb post though, showedd a lot of wit, or twit, not sure.... LOL
Raves other nickname was "Cadbury"...... That aint chocolate on your lips, mate... hehehe....
Mmmm, can spinners be trusted? Mualitharan spent his entire career defending his "action" and Warney, well he spent his entire career talking his way into women's nickers on every continent. Sheepy, ex spinner, is clearly a wordsmith given his regular contributions here so can he be trusted? I'm a little worried, perhaps I'll check with Mrs Sheepy first before diving into a pie.
Calling Yorksurfer & Grocer to the ring ....... In tonight's main event.
In the White Corner is the Marvellous, the Mighty ..... Yorksurfer. Defender of all things good and right.
And in the Black Corner, under his rock, is the Grocer. The Boxer heavily hindered by two blinkered and blind eyes.
Now let the argument begin .....
I'm ready for more verbal jousting with grocer floyd! The more I get him talking the more turned-off people will be with his brand of politics?
York…stop the talking and do the walkin. Join the Labor Party.
Get with the program tonybarber. I've been a member for the last 4 years. If you followed these threads you would know that.
More humour from one Swellnet's resident comedians; good one Tones ... you crack me up.
Thinking I need to start a new forum topic on Abbott called "The Abbott Government's Stuff Ups for the Week".
What ya reckon Tones?
floyd wrote:More humour from one Swellnet's resident comedians; good one Tones ... you crack me up.
Thinking I need to start a new forum topic on Abbott called "The Abbott Government's Stuff Ups for the Week".
What ya reckon Tones?
Floyd, ya just have to paste a link to Bob Ellis's "The Three Worst Things The Liberals Did Yesterday" in that new thread.
Here's today's installment.
http://www.ellistabletalk.com/2014/12/09/the-three-worst-things-the-liberals-did-yesterday-133-2/
First Dog on the Moon
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/cartoon/2014/dec/08/first-dog-abbott-spill
Hey Tones and Grocer, here's the tally of Aborts run of broken promises and hurt so far...happy reading fellas.
@tripper, Not sure if I could/would/should rely on ole Bob Ellis but lets face it any mud flung at Tones is good mud. The Guardian link is total quality & the mcmanus link makes for sad reading. Thanks for posting.
floyd wrote:@tripper, Not sure if I could/would/should rely on ole Bob Ellis but lets face it any mud flung at Tones is good mud. The Guardian link is total quality & the mcmanus link makes for sad reading. Thanks for posting.
I know Bob doesn't let the truth get in the way of a good story...but don't all good stories have a grain of truth? Makes for a good laugh in these times of dire politics.
I saw the Mcmanus link for the first time about two months into Aborts term, it was fucking depressing back then, but man it sure is sad now. That's why a read of Bob Ellis and First Dog lightens the outlook somewhat on another dreary day of the turkey shoot we now call politics.
Too true tripper, I see Tricky Tone has replaced the Medicare Co-payment with ......... a Medicare Co-payment as well as freezing indexation for the Medicare rebate for another 3 years.
Geeeez, I'm glad his listening to us (and his shit-scared backbench). Not sure if doctors will be happy acting as Tone's tax collectors.
Tones must think he's a magician of sorts...with slight of hand (that fools no-one) he replaces one shit sandwich with another shit sandwich and expects the audience to swallow the second piece of shit without complaint, and enjoy that gagging, sticky icky feeling as it goes down.
Mmmmm, as a wise man once said "you can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear".
Or as politician once said "if you put lipstick on a pig, its still a pig".
No doubt our Tones is proving himself to be just the greatest of pathological liars.
On a positive note is good Smokin Joe is now making some noises about chasing multinationals for unpaid taxes. I await his announcement that they are going after Newscorp.
@York…good one buddy, donate to the cause. Every bit helps our mates, you know what I mean. Maybe able to help you out in one of our policy factions.
You've lost me tonybarber. I really don't know what your talking about. Care to explain?
Too many dummy spits this week to even consider the aqua award.... lol
factions, reds under the beds, labor is beholden to the unions, labor spends we repay ..... ah, the old chestnuts, ya got to love them
Whatever tb is on about please take him up on his offer yorkesurfer, no matter the faction, Tony's looks like it could do with some influence from reasonable members like yourself.
Yeah yeah we surely need some reasonable influence here after 3 years of neoconservatives calling our 1st female prime minister a liar on a daily basis. Bit like Abbott calling on the current opposition to vote for his ridiculous policy agenda after 3 years of being Dr No.
Funny how when a Labor PM changes a policy its an embarrassing backflip with pike, when Abbott does it he's listening to the people and fine tuning. The double standards and blatant hypocrisy of this bunch of born to rule elitists beggars belief. He is doing a splendid job of shielding him and his obscenely wealthy mates at the top of he food chain from any hip pocket pain. Anyone who buys anything this twit says really should have a good look in the mirror and wake up to themselves. Cheers.
Scott Morrisson , the Minister that stopped the boats , saving the country billions and saving countless lives in the process,had a good point when he said,
"We've been left with an ugly filthy mess from the Labor party. They've trashed the house , shot the dog ,thrown the keys on the front lawn and just burned out up the street. That's what the Labor party did on our borders and what they did to our economy."
I agree grocer that comment from Morrison was one of the funniest things I've heard from a pollie all year! Complete bullshit of course but credit given where credit is due, a good one-liner!
Now I'd love to stay and chat but I've got a plane to catch, heading to the Goldie/Nth NSW for a few weeks before Xmas. Have you seen those weather maps?? Keep up the good work grocer!
Just on a similar topic, I see that Hal GP Colebatch has won the Prime Ministers History prise for his
Australia's Secret War:How Unionist Sabotaged Our Troops In World War Two.
Unionists sabotaging our war efforts , Labor party which is run by the unions sabotaging our country .
Things haven't changed much over the years.
Oh that Scott Morrison.
He received some mighty praise from Malcolm Fraser today.
http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/malcolm-fraser-...
When the Labor party was in government there were more than 2000 children in the detention centres. There was also a lot of dead children floating in the Indian Ocean . Morisson reduced the number to around 300 and stopped the drownings . Is this not a better than what the Labor party gave us?
The government refuses to tell us how many boats have attempted to come to Australia during their tenure.
We don't know how many deaths have occured attempting to get to Australia or on return after being pushed/sent back.
None , they were put in unsinkable boats , and every attempt has been reported.
Hey Floyd. You'll be buying Hals book on how the unions sabotaged our troops in World War Two for Christmas im guessing.
It's a good read comrade ,you'll love it.
Like the Titanic?
And can you direct me to when/where this government began reporting on asylum boats that have set out to Australia?
grocer wrote:None , they were put in unsinkable boats , and every attempt has been reported.
Morrison says 12 boats turned back.
http://sievx.com/articles/OSB/20140918Farrell.html
Sorry Yorksurfer , didn't mean to leave you out . Hal s book on how the unionists sabotaged the troops in World War Two would be a great read between surfs on your trip to the goldy/ north coast..
grocer wrote:Sorry Yorksurfer , didn't mean to leave you out . Hal s book on how the unionists sabotaged the troops in World War Two would be a great read between surfs on your trip to the goldy/ north coast..
You do realise that the book has been discredited as factually wrong and incoherent, doncha mate?
grocer wrote:Hey Floyd. You'll be buying Hals book on how the unions sabotaged our troops in World War Two for Christmas im guessing.
It's a good read comrade ,you'll love it.
@grocer says its a good read. Have you read the book grocer? Can you please provide a summary of the book's findings as well as some comments as to how events that may have happened 70 years ago are relevant today.
@grocer, the refugee issue is very complex and no-one really has all the answers but the one thing I want to ask is, where is the compassion in this policy?
If you are rich you can come here and buy your citizenship; if you can scam a 457 visa and work here for a few years you can get citizenship; if you are a student who studies here as a full fee paying university student you can get citizenship; if you fly here as a tourist, student or refugee you can overstay your visa and work for as long as you like but you can't get citizenship but the under funded and under resourced Immigration Department have to catch you.
The government doesn't want to openly talk about the rich buying citizenship, or uni students or 457 visa workers but if you dare come here in a leaky boat, well you can't, we will tow you back or lock you up and we will make your life as horrible as possible.
And that's why grocer its all about politics. Its got nothing to do with saving people from drowning. As Malcolm Frazer said (of Scot Morrison & Abbott) they can't be one hour a week catholics.
So grocer, where is the compassion?
stray-gator_2 wrote:grocer wrote:Sorry Yorksurfer , didn't mean to leave you out . Hal s book on how the unionists sabotaged the troops in World War Two would be a great read between surfs on your trip to the goldy/ north coast..
You do realise that the book has been discredited as factually wrong and incoherent, doncha mate?
What in the battle of ideas has Tones backed the wrong horse again?
Yep, more bullcrap from the right in the neocon's culture wars .....
http://www.theage.com.au/entertainment/books/prime-ministers-literary-aw...
Why bother fellas? Grocer's output appears to match the broader conservative position. If there's one thing missing on the political scene at present (besides compassion, a fair budget, open media etc etc) is some honest-to-god intellectual jousting from the right. Where are those who'll push forth the right's viewpoint with some worthwhile adversarial argument?
In the media we get bovver boys like Bolt, lightweights like Sheridan, or those so commercially aligned it taints all output such as Chris Mitchell. Is it any wonder past conservative crusaders such as Fraser, Hewson, and Georgiou have abandoned their cause?
" If there's one thing missing on the political scene at present"... It's a political party that I would vote for without hesitation.
Well,I don't believe this forum has any 'honest-to-god intellectual jousting' from either political points of view. This is SWELLNET, man. Keep it simple just give your beer money to the local Labor rep. or union man.
Maybe, maybe not, though I always enjoyed MickJ's contributions when he made them. Didn't often agree but always thought they were well considered viewpoints.
...anyway, my initial post was bemoaning the lack of quality debate in the media championing the conservative cause. I flick through the odd Oz, read the (even odder) issue of Quadrant, and it appears to me the liberal movement has stultified; the most prominient voices being barrow-pushers and hate-mongers. Free-thinking, which is supposedly the liberal's raison d'etre, is at a minimum.
Grocer... 200 million to go to climate change..... But what about the "budget emergency"? And isn't climate change "crap"?
Laughable.... truly laughable.....
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-12-10/bishop-200-million-to-green-climat...
@Sheepdog…the money is coming from Foreign Aid (already allocated). Aimed for 'poorer' countries and hence not part of the budget. It seems to be just a redistribution. Whether its enough, is debatable. How much is enough ? This maybe a good one if the aid is for AUS made goods used in foreign aid.
I know, Tones.... But if a party can redirect 200m out of foreign aid into a theory it doesn't believe in, what does it say about that party? Abbott called it "Bob Brown's bank"...... He now signs off on a 200m donation..... Tones, for gods sake get ya' conservative mates to out this nutjob..... I don't mind Turnbull... He'd at least bring back some decency....
Liberals have got form on this Sheepy. Let's not forget the $280M for chaplains in schools. You can't tell me the whole party are creationists.
@Sheepdog…the Libs aint my 'mates' but this makes good politics. You maybe surprised that there a few in the Libs (besides Turnbull) who feel they need to better manage the renewable target. Interestingly many people would disagree with your 'climate change being a theory'. You have got to say, you can't complain if the Libs don't give enough money to aid then complain when they do. I don't see a problem in having a say on how / where the donated money is spent.
It's called flip flopping, Tone..... Aint good politics at all....
stunet wrote:...anyway, my initial post was bemoaning the lack of quality debate in the media championing the conservative cause. I flick through the odd Oz, read the (even odder) issue of Quadrant, and it appears to me the liberal movement has stultified; the most prominient voices being barrow-pushers and hate-mongers. Free-thinking, which is supposedly the liberal's raison d'etre, is at a minimum.
I know many people who are life-long Liberal Party voters. They have voted informal at the last two elections because they can't stand Abbott and everything he stood for and did in opposition. They say sadly that the Liberal Party is no longer liberal rather a ultra-right conservative party. They bemoan the dishonesty of Abbott, Brandis, Sinodinos and others and question their motives to only represent their mates and big business. They comment how this crop of conservatives are fools to believe everything can be solved by the market. They believe things are going down the toilet and they can't see themselves ever voting "liberal" again.
I've just discovered that under a free trade agreement , China will be allowed to supply labour for any large project in Australia and that the definition of large project has shifted from $2B to $1.5M.
That says more about the future standard of living for Australians than anything I've heard in quite a while.
No-one got anything to say about the loss of the car industry under a government and high viz Tony that promised to create 1,000,000 jobs?
Slumber away ........