Next Federal Election
Yeah rents are nuts. And all these migrants have no choice but to rent. When you look into the details it is becoming much cheaper to buy a unit than rent, especially if one has the location flexibility. But most can’t qualify for the loans or don’t know the area etc.. Terrible situation for the renters and some are obviously becoming homeless.
Yep the homelessness does include some of the students and migrants who find a different reality here than what they might have thought it would be. On the other end of the spectrum, some migrant families get to buy houses in cash. Just depends on the $$$. As homeowning Australians watch their values go up, and Australians without the $$$ go homeless or get squeezed.
It's very different to the Australia I came to as a little child.
"Haha... yeah right, that explains it!!!
Labor's reckless policy, well same as the old one but taking less of this cohort by the looks of it!"
haha indeed...
labor's (old) new (reckless) policy of 730 000...
converted to the (new) new (reckless) policy of a target of half that number...
over 350 000 ....still 100 000 over the two decade average!
and I emphasise the word 'target'
marketing genius
but damn bloody reckless from my perspective
suicidal from the talk I hear....
Sustainable Australia and One Nation are the only parties who have published low or net zero population policies, respectively.
Our universities are massive drivers of migration. They are de facto broke businesses if you take the migration away. I even saw that recommendation to double the number of placements by 2050 or something like that. Many degrees are completely redundant and offer no career perspectives. Nothing will change migration wise unless this problem is tackled. And I can’t see anyone willing to deal with this.
velocityjohnno wrote:Yep the homelessness does include some of the students and migrants who find a different reality here than what they might have thought it would be. On the other end of the spectrum, some migrant families get to buy houses in cash. Just depends on the $$$. As homeowning Australians watch their values go up, and Australians without the $$$ go homeless or get squeezed.
It's very different to the Australia I came to as a little child.
Very true and a sad situation.
If you look at the median house price versus median wage the big jump in disparities started around 2000 when Howard govt changed the capital gains tax on houses.
See third graph in attach.
https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2019/03/think-investors-set-house-price...
The whole thing is a tragic shit show with no quick and easy fix and many who have prospered with high property prices don't want it fixed. How many Pollies on both sides have property portfolios?
Maybe limit on how many properties someone can own?
To but a property in Oz must be a citizen?
Anyway enough of my 2 cents worth for the day.
flollo wrote:Our universities are massive drivers of migration. They are de facto broke businesses if you take the migration away. I even saw that recommendation to double the number of placements by 2050 or something like that. Many degrees are completely redundant and offer no career perspectives. Nothing will change migration wise unless this problem is tackled. And I can’t see anyone willing to deal with this.
yep
when morrison 'attacked' the univesities with his policy of prioritising certain degrees, it was condemned as being ideokogical...
is this not the same?
(conveniently serving the 'business' of education and ponzi scheme at the same time...)
There is a lovely little apartment across the road from Mum's 4 Sale .
My mum had good taste and a good eye .
She wants to buy it ( me buy it :) and put in a Renter ( me live there ) .
The Buy of the Century she reckons at 1.1m .
It was Passed In with No Interest .
The numbers don't seem to add UP for Investors , on this beautiful 2 bedroom apartment .
How many other places lay empty in Melbourne , waiting 2 sell , I reckon it's building but NFI .
I know finding rentals here is hard work .
Melbourne is starting to do it hard !
Watch out , we matter !
"How many Pollies on both sides have property portfolios?"
75% in labor, haven't seen figures for libs , but imagine much the same if not more...
whilst this is the case, nothing much will change... and hence why only something like a royal commision will get close to the truth regarding such an abysmal policy failure...
"Maybe limit on how many properties someone can own?"
can't really do that... there'd be screams of... well, you know...
however, a restriction on the number of properties that can be negatively geared would be sensible policy, and I think, an easy sell...
'To but a property in Oz must be a citizen?"
well, when those last bastions of right wing open market fundamentalism nuttery NZ and canada have ALREADY gone down this road... it just makes labor look desperate and reckless once again...
andy-mac wrote:velocityjohnno wrote:Yep the homelessness does include some of the students and migrants who find a different reality here than what they might have thought it would be. On the other end of the spectrum, some migrant families get to buy houses in cash. Just depends on the $$$. As homeowning Australians watch their values go up, and Australians without the $$$ go homeless or get squeezed.
It's very different to the Australia I came to as a little child.
Very true and a sad situation.
If you look at the median house price versus median wage the big jump in disparities started around 2000 when Howard govt changed the capital gains tax on houses.
See third graph in attach.
https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2019/03/think-investors-set-house-price...
The whole thing is a tragic shit show with no quick and easy fix and many who have prospered with high property prices don't want it fixed. How many Pollies on both sides have property portfolios?
Maybe limit on how many properties someone can own?
To but a property in Oz must be a citizen?
Anyway enough of my 2 cents worth for the day.
Looking back, 1970-1980 was the peak. 1st world country, highest standard of living in the world, high equality, high equality in opportunity eg free education, leading edge science eg CSIRO, strong and large agriculture, enormous minerals endowment that was being opened up, low population relative to land and resources, cheapest power in world supported diverse value adding industry, financial complexity sufficient to support the 'doing industries' a single working wage could raise a family, houses 3 times average income, family size >2 children so above replacement, large young cohort of workers relative to older, large land sizes permitted self sufficiency ie quarter acre block...
Like the momentum of a grand ship, it continued through the 1980s which were so much fun as a kid, and then only started to hiccup when the 1990s recession hit. What we get now is Dickensian. Maybe someone, somewhere else in the future, can recreate 'Australia' as it was.
Pop Down wrote:There is a lovely little apartment across the road from Mum's 4 Sale .
My mum had good taste and a good eye .
She wants to buy it ( me buy it :) and put in a Renter ( me live there ) .
The Buy of the Century she reckons at 1.1m .
It was Passed In with No Interest .
The numbers don't seem to add UP for Investors , on this beautiful 2 bedroom apartment .
How many other places lay empty in Melbourne , waiting 2 sell , I reckon it's building but NFI .
I know finding rentals here is hard work .
Melbourne is starting to do it hard !
Watch out , we matter !
Yeah, I also see a lot of cheap units in both Sydney and Melbourne. You can go to real estate now and you’ll find a lot in the $400k range in both cities. But it might be an unattractive area for many to live in. Those videos with hundreds lining up to inspect properties in Sydney are always from ultra expensive areas. You can easily buy a unit in Blacktown (and save money) to what it cost you to rent one in Surry Hills for example. 35 mins to the city with a train. And Parramatta which BTW is great these days is just down the road. It’s the size of Adelaide with numerous career opportunities. But all of this is not everyone’s cup of tea I guess. Maybe Blacktown is too much multiculturalism for some?
Great post VJ
It will take time to rebuild a "diverse value adding Industry " but all the other Things Going For Australia , are Still here and or available 2 us .
All are Almost , doing a Great job at keeping US going , pretty well imho .
Only ONE thing , has really changed , on your list , since the 70's and 80's , the Price of Australian Energy !
We had enough Clean ish Coal 2 last us 5 human lifetime times plus , but went another way .
We chose the Expensive Path .
Its all been too slow to build , so we have OUT Grown our Energy Grid ffs .
Who fn decided to let 700k in last year ?
What levers did they pull or push , or are we a Leaky Ship sailing along with NFI ?
Can WE go to 300k , just like That ?
It is now , starting 2 really hurt !
Its costing us a lot !
Yep I spent covid on machining and all the learning you need to do, to do this. It's almost as if physical/productive things are an afterthought. We still have top shelf medical research/companies, the engineering for mining is also top stuff. We're very inventive (much of it goes offshore).
The energy bit is so perplexing, and dutch diseasing away our manufacturers is not the best way forward - have a look at the US, they are reindustrialising as fast as they can and productivity (and productivity per capita) is taking off. They know you need to make stuff locally.
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https://www.betootaadvocate.com/uncategorized/jacinta-price-still-waitin...
What was it during the referendum @indo? Jazzy for PM?
soggydog wrote:https://www.betootaadvocate.com/uncategorized/jacinta-price-still-waitin...
What was it during the referendum @indo? Jazzy for PM?
Haha saw that...
Betoota always spot on!!
2024 AFL Reffos..."We saved ya the trouble...already Voted for you without you even knowing!"
March : Vote [1] $1b Tassie AF[L] King Sized Devilish rort
Oct : Vote [1] $3b Brizzo AF[L] Olympic sized ideal Lion's roar rort
[L] Media : "Don't cough up for $4b AF[L] Crisis Telethon...don't bother running for Premier...Burp...Fart!"
Qld [L]Davy : "I'm still inflating my Ego to fill Olympic Sized Ideal [L] Sports Rort Arena"
First paragraph had me laughing. Very good.
soggydog wrote:https://www.betootaadvocate.com/uncategorized/jacinta-price-still-waitin...
What was it during the referendum @indo? Jazzy for PM?
The fact you guys and this silly rag is still talking or thinking about Jacinta only shows that you and them are still butt hurt with the voice failing and Jacinta being a big part of it, so great, better to be talked about than not at all.
I mean I honestly cant even remember the name of actual Indigenous minister and i dont think many other people could either.
God i hope Trump gets in just to see Albo and Krudd have to deal with him.
Speechless, again!
Trump outsmarts himself yet again...
Pays to remind him, that he's messin' with the wrong Ambassador from the wrong Country as usual!
Trump's Ambassador to Austria took 782 days to find their US designed capital city on our Lake Campbell.
https://imgflip.com/tag/merkel+trump+austria+australia+doofus+funny+meme...
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-03-16/canberra-is-confusing-what-you-ne...
Make Qld the 51st State again!...
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https://www.tiktok.com/@qldgovnewsfeed/video/7330897096834321685
Qldurr 10 Bulls x 10 Rounds..Unconscious with busted ribs & still wins...well durr!
https://www.facebook.com/9NewsGoldCoast/videos/queenslander-ky-hamilton-...
Qld Women's Rodeo...tuff enough!
https://www.tiktok.com/@abc/video/7281801310263856386
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indo-dreaming wrote:God i hope Trump gets in just to see Albo and Krudd have to deal with him.
At this point it seems Rudd is not only smarter than Trump, he's richer than him too.
Trump is right .
Rudd certainly has a nasty streak and I was amazed he was Ambassador lol .
He was after the Top job at the UN and must have had a forced , change of mind .
Gillard made Rudd look a fool .
I can imagine Ruddy knocking on the Whitehouse Door and Trump laughing inside .
Trump will get Rudd removal , 4 sure , that will be fun 2 watch !
Rudd's wife is Rich !
Pop Down wrote:Trump is right .
Rudd certainly has a nasty streak and I was amazed he was Ambassador lol .
He was after the Top job at the UN and must have had a forced , change of mind .
Gillard made Rudd look a fool .
I can imagine Ruddy knocking on the Whitehouse Door and Trump laughing inside .
Trump will get Rudd removal , 4 sure , that will be fun 2 watch !
Rudd's wife is Rich !
Even a broken watch is right twice a day @pops
If I am right twice in a day , its been a good day , for me , Smiley :)
I like Trumps wife , 2 , like Rudd , she is the Rich 1 and wears the pants .
Melania Trump is the only person that scares Trumpy .
The Finances were organised a year ago .
Trumps son is 6ft7 , he is not scared of Melania .
He looks a bit special , 2 me .
Too good for Politics .
Trumps daughter , is tough enough 4 politics imho .
A talented bunch !
Compared to Hunter Biden , they are angles !
Perhaps Guy Frowny can get himself and his union heavy’s to press the Govt to implement the 1,000,000 blocks idea of mine on the housing thread yesterday.
After all isn’t what you guys are for?
I have great respect for the unions that are run well..but sometimes they need to use that weight to press through things like cheap land for locals in each area of Australia….
I know guy believes in the high rise denser inner city answer and that’s fine but to many of us that type of living is an affront to nature.
…the $100,000 block of land is easily doable if you keep the developers out of the picture.
The govt needs to get hold of this and punch it through themselves.
1/2 acre blocks with their own onsite wastewater/ sewerage management systems are the answer to our housing crisis as you can do them anywhere in any region and in any amount.
I see 100 acre run down farms everywhere with 5 cows on them doing not much that could be 200 self sustaining homes and these crappy farms can be picked up for $1,000000 making the blocks $5000 each to the Govt plus services.
Imagine 1,000,000 rentals being freed up and the cost to the Govt zero $….
…and that’s just the start…the idea is perpetual.
Isn’t that better than spending taxpayers money on charity they don’t need
They just want a cheap block of land for goodness sake.
Cmon Labor….do something interesting…. Wake up…where are ya jimmy!
Optimist wrote:Perhaps Guy Frowny can get himself and his union heavy’s to press the Govt to implement the 1,000,000 blocks idea of mine on the housing thread yesterday.
After all isn’t what you guys are for?
I have great respect for the unions that are run well..but sometimes they need to use that weight to press through things like cheap land for locals in each area of Australia….
I know guy believes in the high rise denser inner city answer and that’s fine but to many of us that type of living is an affront to nature.
…the $100,000 block of land is easily doable if you keep the developers out of the picture.
The govt needs to get hold of this and punch it through themselves.
1/2 acre blocks with their own onsite wastewater/ sewerage management systems are the answer to our housing crisis as you can do them anywhere in any region and in any amount.
I see 100 acre run down farms everywhere with 5 cows on them doing not much that could be 200 self sustaining homes and these crappy farms can be picked up for $1,000000 making the blocks $5000 each to the Govt plus services.
Imagine 1,000,000 rentals being freed up and the cost to the Govt zero $….
…and that’s just the start…the idea is perpetual.
Isn’t that better than spending taxpayers money on charity they don’t need
They just want a cheap block of land for goodness sake.
Cmon Labor….do something interesting…. Wake up…where are ya jimmy!
Surely a few hail marys and a couple of $1000 in donations to the church will fix the problem
I have never lobbied a government but how hard can it B ?
IF this 1000000 Plan of Opti's , stands up 2 Hard Scrutiny , it's a Good Plan .
F Me , SN can lobby the govt .
A Swellnet Suggestion 2 Government lol ( no swearing :))
Every person who wanted 2 , could write a fn letter , 2 any Minister !
I will ( can google and address ) .
Abbott now on Murdoch's board.
Murdoch, American citizen and billionaire media owner.
Rudd calls for Royal Commission into Murdoch media (as did Turnbull).
Pre-planned question written by Sky news Australia for Trump by Murdoch's CBN's Nigel Farage.
Dutton with pre planned questions regarding matter in Question time.
Foreign interference?
Sounds like a foreign actor is deliberately meddling in Australia's domestic politics with the support of the LOTO with help of ex PM.
Sure James Patterson will be up any minute condemning the traitorous actions of all those involved in this anti-democratic action.
Hey Andy
I have been mentioning that Terrific Tony was asked to join the Fox board , for months !
Big news at the time , imho ! :)
A Big Feather in the Ex PM of Australia's Cap .
Took over from a guy you maybe have not heard of .
Jack Nassar ( U can call him Jack the Ripper :) another Australian .
Jack was really good at doing stuff .
Lebanese background and worked hard .
Became CEO of Ford USA and then Chairman of BHP !
A real expert Planner .
He wanted 2 retire , so the board went searching for a suitable replacement .
Rudd , apparently applied , but it was Invite Only .
They asked Tony Abbott to do the job .
Someone else also thinks he is an Action Man , other than me .
Probably the Most cushy job , Jet planes ( can take his kids and dog 2 ) , bubbles and Cavier on tap .
Apparently it was Laughlin's , final call ( another Aussie ) .
Albo must have given Rudd the job as US Ambassador , while I was napping !
Replaced Hockey with Mr Nasty , really wtf !
Is that one of Albo's GOOD ideas ???
Turncoat stuffed his run at the UN and this is what he wanted from Albo , as Platform to Network !
He is the Best Networker , ever !
Were U saying something about a foreigner , being involved ?
Who :) ?
Trump haha lol ?
Who cares what Trump thinks of Rudd ?
Trump will go through Greg Norman , if he wants 2 send Albo a message !
How is Albo ?
edit
Andy , I like glib !
Pop Down wrote:Hey Andy
I have been mentioning that Terrific Tony was asked to join the Fox board , for months !
Big news at the time , imho ! :)
A Big Feather in the Ex PM of Australia's Cap .
Took over from a guy you maybe have not heard of .
Jack Nassar ( U can call him Jack the Ripper :) another Australian .
Jack was really good at doing stuff .
Lebanese background but worked hard .
Became CEO of Ford USA and then Chairman of BHP !
A real expert Planner .
He wanted 2 retire , so the board went searching for a suitable replacement .
Rudd , apparently applied , but it was Invite Only .
They asked Tony Abbott to do the job .
Someone else also thinks he is an Action Man , other than me .
Probably the Most cushy job , Jet planes ( can take his kids and dog 2 ) , bubbles and Cavier on tap .
Apparently it was Laughlin's , final call ( another Aussie ) .
Albo must have given Rudd the job as US Ambassador , while I was napping !
Replaced Hockey with Mr Nasty , really wtf !
Is that one of Albo's GOOD ideas ???
Turncoat stuffed his run at the UN and this is what he wanted from Albo , as Platform to Network !
He is the Best Networker , ever !
Were U saying something about a foreigner , being involved ?
Who :) ?
Trump haha lol ?
Who cares what Trump thinks of Rudd ?
Trump will go through Greg Norman , if he wants 2 send Albo a message !
How is Albo ?
Just being glib @Pop. :)
"Jack was really good at doing stuff .
Lebanese background but worked hard ."
yr a fkn crack-up @Pop.
Hey Andy
Glib is so cool , especially in politics .
Ruddy has as much glib , as a Rock of Fossilised Toady .
Base , changed the word BUT to AND , we think alike .
Could have also said "but worked very fn hard lol " .
Writing stuff is dangerous !
The term “Extremist” gets thrown around pretty readily these days and usually in a completely inappropriate manner.
A completely appropriate and accurate use of the term is to describe the Australian Labor Party. The ALP are extremists in the definitive sense of the word : “A person or groups that holds extreme political or religious views particularly one who advocates extremist political activity.”
There is no term to describe the ALP’s immigration policies and therefore the ALP’s political ideology as extremism. They are an outlier by any measure. They are conducting a modern political, social, environmental and economic experiment of the most consequential gravity.
The ALP have no social contract or political mandate to carry out such extremist political/ ideological purview. They know this themselves and that is why they felt the necessity to lie to the public in order to get elected.
The ALP are political extremists who harbour no hesitation to employ fraud, misinformation and outright lies to deploy their brand of non-democratic political radicalism.
The Graph above jumped out of the normal range before the GFC , it looks like 2 me .
The Worm is now , out of control ( so wiggly even with covid ) and heading to the Moon ( to find space ) .
Weren't the Coalition in Power then ?
Looks like Hawke/Keating tested the upper "normal" limit , 2 .
Have WE Ever Voted on This ! ??
Who decided and why , this is the Right Approach , 4 Australia right NOW ?
Surely , this should B done when there is an Over , not Under , Supply of Housing !
I would just like , 2 know who is running The Show !
IF Albo can't stop the Flood of Immigrants , Dutton , like Abbott before him , can stop the flood and let us build a few homes , for a year or two .
"Stop the Flood " of Immigrants , has a familiar ring , that a current Fox Board Member , might like :) !
;)
https://m.
Really don't feel like wading in to this issue but do want to point out that the real cause of the surge in net migration comes down to the fact that policy decisions and changes from both sides of politics meant that the surge occurred not so much from the number of people who arrived but more the number of people who normally would have left that stayed.
Net migration should return to pre pandemic levels over the coming years. Still too many IMO, but more "normal".
https://theconversation.com/whats-behind-the-recent-surge-in-australias-...
From my point of view I think mass immigration has been an easy escape from the headline recession that both sides fear, it spells electoral death for any incumbent political party, whilst per capita recessions such as we appear to be in currently, can be fluffed and tinkered and bullshitted through.
This cynical approach, party political survival over Australian's standards of living, has been a root cause of much of our problems. I also lay many of them at the feet of the spineless Costello and shitful Howard who started or upgraded the taxpayer sponsoring of the property ponzi scheme and once those things were in place, as the defeat of Shorten showed, you can't get rid of them.
The ALP is no longer up for that challenge.
Albanese knows what needs to be done but is himself a "shiver in search of a spine" so expect nothing from him except supply side tinkers and handouts that don't have any real impact.
I share Blowin and other's disgust at such a rich country like ours with not just the poor, but the working and even middle classes living in tents and cars. It didn't have to be that way. It's a disgrace. All the graphs are J curves of shame on our leadership, State and Federal, and they are all ALP now, except Tasmania which may soon be too. What I expect from the ALP is just more bullshit and no real solutions and more blame shifting.
Not so lucky country for many.
Definitely think the govt should be prioritising Australians doing it tough over this stuff!
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/mar/21/australia-moves-to-prop-up...
nah, doubling the population and hence tax base will make that kind of money look like peanuts...
Is it all possibly that simple: Is the China threat so real that we are in full blown war preparation mode, including extreme population growth in order to fund the expansion of military capabilities?
It this the real reason for the current off-the-charts immigration levels, which started to head in this direction under Morrison?
A basic truism is that a nation's military strength and capability is first and foremost dependent on the size of its economy.
And if Western nations have basically reached a plateau in per capita economic output, then the main way to increase the size of the economy is via population growth, regardless of if it reduces per capita outcomes and living standards.
adam12 wrote:Really don't feel like wading in to this issue but do want to point out that the real cause of the surge in net migration comes down to the fact that policy decisions and changes from both sides of politics meant that the surge occurred not so much from the number of people who arrived but more the number of people who normally would have left that stayed.
Net migration should return to pre pandemic levels over the coming years. Still too many IMO, but more "normal".
https://theconversation.com/whats-behind-the-recent-surge-in-australias-...
From my point of view I think mass immigration has been an easy escape from the headline recession that both sides fear, it spells electoral death for any incumbent political party, whilst per capita recessions such as we appear to be in currently, can be fluffed and tinkered and bullshitted through.
This cynical approach, party political survival over Australian's standards of living, has been a root cause of much of our problems. I also lay many of them at the feet of the spineless Costello and shitful Howard who started or upgraded the taxpayer sponsoring of the property ponzi scheme and once those things were in place, as the defeat of Shorten showed, you can't get rid of them.
The ALP is no longer up for that challenge.
Albanese knows what needs to be done but is himself a "shiver in search of a spine" so expect nothing from him except supply side tinkers and handouts that don't have any real impact.
I share Blowin and other's disgust at such a rich country like ours with not just the poor, but the working and even middle classes living in tents and cars. It didn't have to be that way. It's a disgrace. All the graphs are J curves of shame on our leadership, State and Federal, and they are all ALP now, except Tasmania which may soon be too. What I expect from the ALP is just more bullshit and no real solutions and more blame shifting.
Not so lucky country for many.
Tend to agree Adam, it's a way to paper over any potential recession, the property monster is out of control and will only be addressed after it crashes - we will push shit up string, hard, until that occurs though. The homelessness, and situation young Australians find themselves in re: property prices to average earnings is nuts. In the 90's recession jobs were very hard to come by, but at least prices were cheap.
Also in the 90's for SJY - if you understand that the ALP is not so much the 'Labour' party, but rather the 'University Student Guild Party', it all makes sense. I got to go to uni with quite a few of the crew who are now in State or Federal representation, their background was different to coming from those on tools, just as mine was in my parent's generation - but not my grandparents who started in some real Industrial Revolution style stuff. So if you understand a USGP might favour internationalist policies, it all makes sense. Everything from cheap flights to getting enough workers to do the jobs any way you can cos economics class said so, to easy offshore financial opportunity like offshore island domiciled accounts (some of these are good things - but some do not favour working class people). Of all the labour side people (and I was very much sympathetic to that side at the time) I met at uni, there was one girl who stood head & shoulders above them. She came from a real working class background, was truly serious about the subject and was a higher year in my IR tute - I recognise the name and she went to ACTU, and is the real deal. Much respect for her. Wonder what she makes of the Indian qualifications stuff...
gsco mkII wrote:nah, doubling the population and hence tax base will make that kind of money look like peanuts...
Is it all possibly that simple: Is the China threat so real that we are in full blown war preparation mode, including extreme population growth in order to fund the expansion of military capabilities?
It this the real reason for the current off-the-charts immigration levels, which started to head in this direction under Morrison?
A basic truism is that a nation's military strength and capability is first and foremost dependent on the size of its economy.
And if Western nations have basically reached a plateau in per capita economic output, then the main way to increase the size of the economy is via population growth, regardless of if it reduces per capita outcomes and living standards.
Wondered about this too.
have only watched excerpts of this so far, but I think it's similar to what I described above
Our Politicians can't plan a party , let alone a Secret Plan 2 defend Australia .
Treasury maybe Pro Immigration , for Economic reasons , but THEY don't decide the numbers .
They just add them up .
It has all just got out of control , as NO 1 has been worried or watching this Stuff .
It's a fn monumental Stuff Up , that is Albo's responsibility to FIX , now !
adam12 wrote:Really don't feel like wading in to this issue but do want to point out that the real cause of the surge in net migration comes down to the fact that policy decisions and changes from both sides of politics meant that the surge occurred not so much from the number of people who arrived but more the number of people who normally would have left that stayed.
Net migration should return to pre pandemic levels over the coming years. Still too many IMO, but more "normal".
https://theconversation.com/whats-behind-the-recent-surge-in-australias-...
From my point of view I think mass immigration has been an easy escape from the headline recession that both sides fear, it spells electoral death for any incumbent political party, whilst per capita recessions such as we appear to be in currently, can be fluffed and tinkered and bullshitted through.
This cynical approach, party political survival over Australian's standards of living, has been a root cause of much of our problems. I also lay many of them at the feet of the spineless Costello and shitful Howard who started or upgraded the taxpayer sponsoring of the property ponzi scheme and once those things were in place, as the defeat of Shorten showed, you can't get rid of them.
The ALP is no longer up for that challenge.
Albanese knows what needs to be done but is himself a "shiver in search of a spine" so expect nothing from him except supply side tinkers and handouts that don't have any real impact.
I share Blowin and other's disgust at such a rich country like ours with not just the poor, but the working and even middle classes living in tents and cars. It didn't have to be that way. It's a disgrace. All the graphs are J curves of shame on our leadership, State and Federal, and they are all ALP now, except Tasmania which may soon be too. What I expect from the ALP is just more bullshit and no real solutions and more blame shifting.
Not so lucky country for many.
Cannot disagree with anything written there. @Adam
And @VJ I agree with Uni sentiment. I went back in late 90's as mature age. I used to chuckle at the student politics with young Labor (usually environment based degrees) having yelling matches with young Libs (generally Law students). In the time of Howard so plenty to argue about.
I never had any interest as if not studying or working was surfing or partying.
But it does seem that both sides of politics have career politicians coming out of Uni either from Labour/ union movement or young libs, IPA type such as James Patterson. None of which have really experienced anything in 'real' life out of politics. Got to say a lot on both sides were passionate in their beliefs and in my view was a great thing that these debates could happen without shut down cancel style stuff or absolute nonsense which happens today.
Immigration and housing in Australia is a mess that has been years in the making. Cut immigration tomorrow and there will be cries of a shortage in essential workers such as aged care and health, and the economy will tank.
Shorten tried to address some of this and we now how that went.
Labor are dammed if they do and dammed if they don't with immigration and their main job unfortunately is to stay in government.
The housing market I guess does need a major correction or crash, and no side of govt wants this to happen on their watch as they will be unelectable for a generation.
Edit; Yes GSCO there must be views that we need a big Australia for geopolitical security concerns.
Pop Down wrote:Our Politicians can't plan a party , let alone a Secret Plan 2 defend Australia .
Treasury maybe Pro Immigration , for Economic reasons , but THEY don't decide the numbers .
They just add them up .
It has all just got out of control , as NO 1 has been worried or watching this Stuff .
It's a fn monumental Stuff Up , that is Albo's responsibility to FIX , now !
ALBO,SLEAZY cant fix it in the year he has left...he is still learning to run a chook raffle.
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Slackjawedyokel wrote:The term “Extremist” gets thrown around pretty readily these days and usually in a completely inappropriate manner.
A completely appropriate and accurate use of the term is to describe the Australian Labor Party. The ALP are extremists in the definitive sense of the word : “A person or groups that holds extreme political or religious views particularly one who advocates extremist political activity.”
There is no term to describe the ALP’s immigration policies and therefore the ALP’s political ideology as extremism. They are an outlier by any measure. They are conducting a modern political, social, environmental and economic experiment of the most consequential gravity.
The ALP have no social contract or political mandate to carry out such extremist political/ ideological purview. They know this themselves and that is why they felt the necessity to lie to the public in order to get elected.
The ALP are political extremists who harbour no hesitation to employ fraud, misinformation and outright lies to deploy their brand of non-democratic political radicalism.
How depressing.
TBB points out Melbourne is Australia's Epicentre for Covid .
Melbourne is also the Epicentre of New Arrivals ( 120k Paulines numbers in Jan , must include Visa's so students ) .
Are the TWO Linked ffs ???
Not surprised that people want to come to Oz after Covid .
Are they bringing it here ?
Not sure why we are so badly affected by Covid , in Melbourne .
It hates us .
Might as well put this up in the politics subforum, to spare the front page. It's 18 months away or so, but here we go.
This is how Dutton wins:
https://www.afr.com/politics/enter-the-liberal-party-working-class-heroe...