The Israel Palestine problem solving thread

velocityjohnno wrote:

Dunno if you have seen this, or if it will go to front page, but this is the craziest stuff I've seen in a long time:

https://www.twz.com/news-features/hezbollahs-exploding-pagers-could-be-a...

https://www.twz.com/news-features/more-electronics-explode-in-lebanon-as...

Super crazy it was like out of a movie an amazing operation and as targeted as could be, and while the death rate was low, many are badly injured hundreds blinded and these are next level Hezbollah not just nobody fighters, and right now not only would Hezzobolah be having trouble communicating in a time they really need to, but Israel is in their head they will be paranoid to use any communication device.

Let's hope this news is true, it's been pretty much 24hrs now and no proof of life, so its starting to look very likely.

Israel have had an amazing run in the last few weeks with Hezbollah, 6 of the 8 top commanders are also dead.

And then the amazing pager and walk talkie operation last week, it just goes to show Israels eyes and ears and intel was all on Hezbollah prior to 7th oct, as they are far far far more of a threat than Hamas, and even with all this done including huge strikes on missiles stock piles and launchers they are still a huge threat.

BTW. Sinwar in Gaza also hasnt been heard from for quite some time, it seems there could be a chance he has also been taken out, but we will have to wait and see.

BTW. For those that dont know on the 8th October before Israel even entered Gaza, Hezzbolah had already started firing rockets into Israel displacing 70,000 to 100,000 Israelis, they havent been able to return home and in the last 11 months Hezobollah has fired over 8,000 rockets into Israel, with Israel barely retaliating as the focus has been in Gaza and Hamas. (and Palestine Islamic jihad)

So this return of fire and target in Hezbollah hasn't come from nowhere.

^ hahaha, all coming from someone who doesn’t know what the nakba is

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It's confirmed Jelly Brain another one of your hero's is dead.

BTW. You need to get off Youtube and pick up a history book and actually read about the 1948 Arab-Israli war from a proper historical neutral position.

In particular go learn about the Arab league (7 Arab countries that formed together to try to stop Jews getting any state)

Heres some historical context on how the 1948 arab-israli war became known as the Nakba (“catastrophe”)

"Palestinian groups and their supporters have termed the creation of 700,000 Arab refugees in 1948 as the Nakba (“catastrophe”) and it is annually commemorated on 15 May. But this widely used term of abuse against Israel ironically originated as a criticism of the Arab nations.

In August 1948 Constantin Zurayk, the Syrian Arab Christian, defined the term Nakba in a book and then a pamphlet written after the Arab-Israeli war, when seven Arab states went to war against the newly independent state of Israel. Zurayk described the Nakba as the catastrophic failure by the Arabs to stop the establishment of the State of Israel, as “Seven Arab states declare war on Zionism in Palestine, stop impotent before it, and then turn on their heels”.

In his pamphlet, “The Meaning of the Disaster”, Zurayk wrote that, “The representatives of the Arabs deliver fiery speeches in the highest international forums, warning what the Arab states and peoples will do if this or that decision be enacted. Declarations fall like bombs from the mouths of officials at the meetings of the Arab League, but when action becomes necessary, the fire is still and quiet, the steel and iron are rusted and twisted, quick to bend and disintegrate. The bombs are hollow and empty. They cause no damage and kill no one”.

Zurayk pointed out that in 1948 the Arab states were still young, with small, ill-equipped armies. “Seven states seek the abolition of partition and the subduing of Zionism, but they leave the battle having lost a not inconsiderable portion of the soil of Palestine, even of the part given to the Arabs in the partition. They are forced to accept a truce in which there is neither advantage nor gain for them”

In pointing out the difference between the struggle faced by the Jews and the Arabs, Zurayk wrote that, “These Zionists do not have the characteristics of a united nation, for they are from widely separate lands, speak different languages, and follow different ways. Their only common bonds are religion and suffering. Despite these facts the idea has united them, sharpened by their determination, and created in them the unflinching will to struggle so that, by this will and by their unconditional acceptance of modern civilisation, they have almost accomplished that which is unnatural, whereas, that which is natural to the Arabs – that they form a nation – is not as yet accomplished. Here is the decisive difference!”

Zurayk criticised the Arabs of Palestine as weak and impotent. He further wrote that as soon as “the first bombs fell on them, they fled and evacuated their cities and their strongholds, and surrendered them to the enemy on a silver platter.” This led to the situation that a large number of them fled even before the battle had taken place and they took refuge in other Arab countries and in remote regions of Palestine.

Zurayk summarised his concerns by providing an accurate picture of the future where a Jewish state established in Palestine would be “internationally secured through recognition by the United Nations and by individual states”. He believed that the country would eventually have the “largest Air Force in the Near East and God forbid, a merchant marine and a fleet which will dominate these shores in their entirety as well as an organised, mechanised army supported by abundant material and the most hellish modern weapons.” Furthermore he could see a future where this state “will open its doors to thousands of immigrants who will pour into it from Europe and to millions of dollars which will flood it from America. Thus it will become a human and financial force which will be difficult to contain in its own area and which will overflow into the remainder of the Arab countries by every possible means and thus constitute, during a situation of world disturbance, a great danger for those countries”.

In the intervening 76 years, the Nakba which Zurayk defined as the failure of ineffectual Arab states to achieve “the abolition of partition and the subduing of Zionism” whilst also leaving the battle “having lost a not inconsiderable portion of the soil of Palestine” has been disingenuously redefined by the Israel haters as the expulsion of Palestinians and creation of refugees from the future state of Israel and areas that could have been included in a state of Palestine.

Zurayk made no mention of the Palestinians as a people - he defined the Nakba as the self-inflicted wound of the Arabs, not of Israel.

The politicised hijacking of the term Nakba which bemoaned the absence of pan-Arab unity and castigated Arabs for their failings has become a term of abuse against Israel and is a calculated and continuous act of deception designed to absolve Arab states of blame and condemn Israel for successfully defending itself against attack.

Zurayk had a prophetic view of the Arab youth at the time. He noted that, “The young men of this nation look around in all directions, but on the one hand they do not find their ideal within the present leadership, nor on the other hand do the struggles of the disjointed nationalist cliques satisfy their eager ambition; thus despair overcomes them, and perplexity overflows in their souls. They end either by doubting their own nation and despairing of the potentialities of their people, in which case they follow a path leading toward satisfaction of desire and yielding to temptation, or else they fall prey to some destructive movement and find their consolation in uproar and disturbance for its own sake, regardless of result”

This prophecy has been borne out with the relentless and pointless terrorism by Hamas, Hezbollah and before them the PLO against Israel. The continued desperate levels of hatred against the Jewish state demonstrated clearly just how devastating the Nakba or Arab failure has been for Arab hope and Arab lives.

The catastrophe of the Nakba remains the refusal of the Arab nations in 1948 to accept the UN proposition of the Partition for Palestine. If they had we would be celebrating the 76th birthday not only of Israel but also of a Palestinian State."

Well technically Jordan was created in 1947 out of Palestine 70% of Palestine, but yeah the identity of being ethnically Palestine wouldn't be invented/created until the late 60s.

- noinfo ya baby pumpkin head ;)
…quit getting ur wargasm on, all the glorification of death etc fark

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- every time u try reinterpret things it’s just to suit ya bibi bootlicking slant
… another eggspurt creation, of noinfo… netanyahu his hero ;)

Carry on

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You should read his book (i dont think there is a youtube version) it sounds right up your ally.

"Ma'na al-Nakba (Arabic: معنى النكبة), transl. The Meaning of the Catastrophe, is an anti-Zionist and pan-Arabic book by Constantin Zureiq published by Dar al-Ilm lil-Malayeen [ar] in Beirut in 1948.[1] The book defines the conceptual parameters of the Arab tragedy, which Zureiq terms al-Nakba, to describe the Arab defeat of the War of 1948.[2][3][4] It was the first of many works by Arab intellectuals to analyse the reasons behind the Nakba.[5] Many have claimed that the book took great courage to write, as intellectual freedom was challenging at the time.[4]"

The book was written during a ceasefire of the 1948 Palestine war and sold out that summer. It was re-printed in October that year due to high demand.[6] Zureiq became one of the first to describe the developments of the war and to use the term Nakba (النكبة 'disaster' or 'catastrophe').[3]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ma%27na_an-Nakba

More good news they did get another top leader Ali Kraki in the strike that killed Nasrallah.

Its also reported quite a few other leaders taken out in the strike. (not on attached image)

Also reported that Nasrallah was likely watching BIbi's UN speech at the time Bibi actually gave permission for the strike just beforehand, they probably thought Bibi was going to be over their swayed into a ceasefire deal and then bang.

Also a smart move not letting USA know of the operation until it started better for both them and Israel, USA can say they knew nothing, less hassle for Israel.

IDF also conducted more air strikes last night on Hezzbollah rocket sites especially on a storage site with some pretty hardcore land to sea missiles.

BTW. This doesn't mean there wont be a ceasefire at some stage but, the worst thing you can do before getting a ceasefire is taking your foot of the gas, the best thing you can do is ramp up attacks and put more pressure on the enemy and improve your bargaining position, although they need to assure that they take out as much of their missiles now before any ceasefire, give it a few weeks at least maybe drag it out to the USA election time.

The risk of course is Iran, but Iran then risk going to war against Israel & USA, and any retaliation from Iran presently could favour Trump getting in which they dont want.

Iran also ideally has to conduct a bigger attack then last time otherwise they dont look to serious, and if it failed again they would look really silly, and if they were successfully they then go into a bigger war and they then risk their Nuclear program, which they really want to use in the future in the same way Russia does in creating fear and using having the Nuc's to prevent being attacked.

Good to see many muslims in the middle east celebrating too.

"Nasrallah Killed: Muslims of Lebanon, Syria Share Sweets, Dance, Sing; Hezbollah Chief KIlled"

- Hmmmmm. Short memory ;);)

“If you want to continue your adult education campaign you need to acquire more nuance and understanding. You may lose some of your fixed ideas, but hey, it'll make you a better person.”

…yep …’nothing ever changes’ hahaha

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- more from the noinfo feedback loop haha :

“…..stop mistaking education for confirmation of bias.” ;)

& “…..you are the only one on here gloating over dead people.” ;);)

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- maybe consider you’re not exactly in a position to recommend that other ppl read books etc ;)
… getting your kicks outta murder and war and providing updates on ppl being murdered as ‘good news’ and saying it’s ’good to see’ ppl ‘celebrating too’ is just plain fucked up and sadistic.

… you’re simply obsessed and deranged;)
- enjoy your warmongering bloodlust tho ;);)

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