Vaccinate or not
@ blowin, yes of course .
Conflict of interest WHO https://contextly.com/redirect/channel/from/post/params/Y2hhbm5lbDYwY2I2... Fauci giving a plug for antiviral treatments, he really cops it in the comments section and obviously he doesn’t care for what’s been working for ICU doctors. New medicines means new patents and big $
Frog . look at the data. quick google search will lay it out for you. deaths from trad fossil fuel pa vs nuclear.. there is no comparison,
Australia is immensely geologically stable. this isn't japan . and even if we were the tech has dramatically moved on. it shouldn't be discounted
"By the way in Traditional fossil fuel power, the costs of decommissioning or cleaning up a disaster or Mine tend to be pushed on to the tax payer. If they were built into project costs and insurance premiums for the operators none would ever be built".
There fixed it for you...
frog wrote:In theory gain of function research could have benefits and be safe. In theory nuclear power should be safe.
In practice, it is human nature to be a bit careless and to take short cuts.
In practice, accountants focussing on cost cutting influence safety outcomes as much as the scientists in such endeavours. Or, as with Chernobyl, political priorities and career goals lead to perverse and just wrong decisions.
If it can go wrong, it probably will, should be an assumption.
In most human activities we can live with and contain mistakes.
With events that can have runaway consequences like nuclear meltdown or a pandemic, the whole approach must assume the worst. The less the better.
Imagine what could happen if hundreds of nuclear power stations were in Africa ....
or laboratories engineering nasty viruses had a leak, eh Mr Fauci.
Comparisons with Nuclear power stations are a bit silly, all nuclear plants that have had issues have been very old tech plants, we are talking tech that goes back to the 60s & 70s an era when computers with less power than your phone took up whole rooms.
All other aspects of nuclear aside, it is possible these days to construct a nuclear power plant that is extremely safe and thats without their being the huge push/funding etc into the area that there might have been if it was a popular future energy source.
29th Feb 2020 [ CDC Brief President on "1st US Covid Death" ]
President Trump : " Unfortunately one person passed away overnight. She was a wonderful Woman, a medically High Risk patient in her late 50s from Washington."
https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/485307-cdc-erroneously-identified-...
Compare: [ Very first comment in President's first address to Nation...again 100% verified by CDC ]
President Biden (Pre Inauguration Speech) " Good evening, my fellow Americans. It's been 343 days since the Virus that has ravaged our nation tragically claimed it's first life. On Feb 6th in 2020 Patricia Dowd took her last breath at home under the California Sun in Santa Clara. She was 57 years old, a beloved wife, mother, daughter,sister. (She never knew she had the Virus), but just like that she was gone!"
https://www.foxnews.com/health/first-known-coronavirus-fatality-us-signs...
Ok! tbb so two different Presidents claim two completely different US Covid Origins > Deaths.
Only that neither are factual & both we're fabricated for the very same reason.
Here's the 1st recorded US Covid Death...no history of a travel case whatsoever.
https://kingcounty.gov/depts/health/news/2020/February/29-covid19.aspx
The 2 Women above were assigned as "1st Covid deaths primarily because they can link to Asia!"
The 1st Lady never even died & is alive & well.
The 2nd Lady died of a Heart Attack & (Doctor / Father) said: "She had no covid symptoms."
Also the fact that Covid never appeared in Santa Clara until a month later yet CDC reassigned 3 deaths.
Doctor said not this patient or others had significant travel history
The idea being to create up to a dozen more deaths to re-invent some fake cluster & rewrite history.
So why do Presidents go to such extreme measures to lie about Covid deaths!
And both involving Covid...Well! Because the 1st Death traces back to the 1st case. (Not Good!)
Fact is... US Govt know exactly who the 1st Covid case is...because they hired him...
Arriving at Military >Airport /Hospital/Pandemic ready trained crew/Trial drug/50 helmeted nurses .
All went real well...but didn't account for Aerosols...(Too many came in & out during the Drug trial!)
The Virus escaped into Health facilities leading to a City outbreak > 1st death forcing a Lockdown.
US has spent every single day trying to hide the fact that the US breach was in fact a military mission.
US smuggled Covid to their shores to trial Remdesivir in order to bump the shares. (Ask CDC / Fauci.)
On the day of first death...CDC changed Laws from only Testing Arrivals to Test any 'suspected' Cases.
This allowed CDC to act as lone Authority to reinvent deaths & pass Flu as Covid cases anytime & place.
Bookend policy prevents anyone from testing Breakthru cases to control case numbers & Vax efficacy.
You see...CDC & (Mates) control Politics of Covid cases / origin History & Future World progress.
Details as to why CDC instruct both Presidents to lie about Covid Origin & deaths is there for all to see.
That's why the Prez needs the inquiry...to officially sanction US whitewashing of biggest lie ever told.
bonza wrote:Frog . look at the data. quick google search will lay it out for you. deaths from trad fossil fuel pa vs nuclear.. there is no comparison,
Australia is immensely geologically stable. this isn't japan . and even if we were the tech has dramatically moved on. it shouldn't be discounted
"By the way in Traditional fossil fuel power, the costs of decommissioning or cleaning up a disaster or Mine tend to be pushed on to the tax payer. If they were built into project costs and insurance premiums for the operators none would ever be built".
There fixed it for you...
Every Friday night the nuclear power proponents have a toast:
"Here's to Plausible Deniability old chaps. Got us through many a problem over the years. What they can't see they will eventually forget about."
Strontium-90 emitted from Fukushima mimics calcium in humans and animals, it is taken up by and concentrated in bones, where it remains for long periods of time emitting particles that can cause cancer. But that the long term impact on cancer rates will never be able to be pinned down.
Nuclear power can be safe. But as a global solution on a massive scale with plants set up in the thousands and then run by cost cutting accountants, in 3rd world countries facing wars and economic problems ? I am not so sure about that being safe. When it goes wrong it goes really wrong.
Fusion maybe?
“ Nuclear power can be safe.”.
Agreed. And should be used appropriately.
Glad we sorted that.
Bonzer bonza.
CONCLUSION
Our meta-analysis of randomized clinical trial studies indicates that ivermectin administration had an association with favourable outcomes of Covid-19, compromising of higher rate of negative RT-PCR test results, shorter time to negative RT-PCR test results, higher rate of symptoms alleviations, shorter time to symptoms alleviations, shorter time to hospital discharge, reduction in the severity and mortality rate from Covid-19. This study suggests that ivermectin may be the potential therapeutic agents for the managements of Covid-19 to give better outcomes for the patients. However, more randomized clinical trial studies are still necessary and encouraged to be done for confirming the results of our study. Finally, ivermectin should be considered as an essential drug for future Covid-19 therapy models. https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/rmv.2265 https://www.businesslive.co.za/amp/bd/opinion/2021-05-06-ivermectin-is-a... The TGA is still firm on the “ not enough evidence “. https://www.health.gov.au/news/health-alerts/novel-coronavirus-2019-ncov... When Merck gets the green light from Fauci for EUA on their new treatment drug no doubt the TGA will follow as they did with remdesivir. https://www.merck.com/news/merck-and-ridgeback-biotherapeutics-provide-u.... https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4457
Introduction of No Domestic Vaccine Passport Bill into Australian Parliament. Recommended viewing. https://m.
&feature=share Cool vid. Needs more fluoride.
Needs more airtime.
Just reporting back from Vax front line. Took my time, wanted to leave you all in suspense.
My wife got her AZ jab last Tuesday, 1 week ago. I got mine last Wednesday, 1 week ago tomorrow.
Both had basically the same reactions, pretty much 24 hours apart, as per jab. I go and play cards with friends every Wednesday night, so sort of knew what to expect based on wife’s reaction. Note that our medical histories are quite different, with me having no real medical history to speak of.
9.30 am jab, by around 11.00 pm I’m starting to squirm in my seat down at the pub, getting aches and pains. A certain amount of fogginess of brain, play cards until 12.30 am in bed around 1.30 am, glad to be there. Sleep ok but tenderness in arm at site of injection. Mild chills and slightly interrupted sleep with fantastic dreams. I’m a good dreamer anyway, and love new nightly adventures. Came out with some classics including a full short story ‘Tales of the unexpected’, which I could have written up. I love a mild fever.
Had unfortunately arranged a game of golf the next day and thought no way am I making that. Wake up in the morning felling largely better, just tired and a very mild headache, or more accurately a head fog. Played a game of golf but went around in a cart, which I rarely do.
AZ jab improves your putting - just saying!
Since then gradual return to reasonable for this time of year. Lousy weather, lack of sun and outdoors for most days since then, plus we’re now just past the winter solstice, always a troublesome time for me. Feeling pretty much as I do at this time of year in the middle of a week of rain.
Haven’t successfully got the SMH 9 letter word since then, although I just checked again and got it. Fog must be lifting, although some of those words have been damn cheeky in the last week. I can get those things in nanoseconds sometimes, literally a glimpse before my mind has studied them. I’ll usually get around 7 out of 10 or higher if I’m really trying, put some work in them.
In short, mild fever (chills and aches and pains and a slight headache/fog. If I was working I would have used it as an excuse to have a day off, that day I played golf.
Overall reaction was more than normal flu shot, but much less than the gamma globulin vaccine I got in my early 20s before a trip to India.
Next day after we got our shots they change the advice to recommend AZ jab for over 60s. My wife and I are 59, so if we held off we could have gone for Pfizer. Don’t know if I would have held off though, Pfizer harder to get and now will be very difficult.
Go back in September for my second AZ jab. Will not think twice about it, I’m going.
Recommendation for those who think they will know more if they read more - if you can’t really understand statistics they’ll probably cause you to become more confused rather than enlightened.
Re AZ statistics, the likelihood of the TTS is reduced substantially as you get older, and the reason for the change to 60+ was based on cases they have found, it’s an ongoing statistical analysis. Risks for over 60s is less than half for the under 40s, but even for under 40s the risks are tiny.
So the statistic that says there are 1.8 cases per 100,000, (for under 40s, read the fine print) are actually consistent with “4 to 6 cases per million” (total population) which includes the much lower risk over 60s.
TBB, try to ration out the amount of time you spend on this, if that is feasible. The 271 other deaths of people in Australia who had the vaccine were for causes that had nothing to do with the vaccine. I think only one death so far has been attributed to the TTS, and one other death that had clots but didn’t have TTS. That’s from your link.
If that is true batfink then why are they listed at all? The latest TGA advice to 13 June was that 303 reports of death following the vaccine had been received by them. But of course, they go onto say that there's no formal link blah blah. Again though, how many deaths from Covid, with Covid being the primary cause of death? I didn't see them being transparent about the fact that the supposed Covid deaths may have been attributed to something else. Its classic cherry picking and if this whole program was opened up to independent assurance, it wouldn't gain a limited or reasonable assurance. Based on the information provided there are too many inconsistencies at least as an individual to commit to having this injection. It makes no sense.
This is growing every week. Remind me what was the death count in Australia from Covid?
They've cornered one of Lab Rats...
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9710875/Peter-Daszak-removed-CO...
Batman's mask slips, just a little as the Red Dragon exterminates Dalek Leader Davroz.
https://assets.mycast.io/characters/davros-382430-normal.jpg?1575399021
https://www.picclickimg.com/d/l400/pict/274275694657_/Doctor-Who-Poster-...
Daszak signed off on Misinformed Form as Ralph looked more guilty signing his dodgy bail application.
https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Exposed-email-shows-Peter-Daszak-Lin...
Batman/Robin/Batgirl keep singing the same tune to keep their Karaoke crowns evermore lopsided!
@batfink if the stats are consistent as you say 4-6 cases per million , why did the government up the age from 50 +to 60 + ? And why do you think most other countries had it at 60+ and some banned it altogether ?
@TBB , poor fellow got fired from the commission , probably replace him with Fauci, he will do a thorough job.
@batfink , any idea why stats would be so different between Denmark and Australia ? https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-56744474.amp
They've cornered one of Lab Rats...
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9710875/Peter-Daszak-removed-CO...
"British scientist Peter Daszak has been removed from the COVID commission looking at the origins of the pandemic after helping secretly denounce the lab leak theory while failing to mention his close ties to the same facility."
they just noticed? ...seriously...
The scandal-hit scientist's departure from the UN-backed Lancet commission into the virus's origins was revealed on its website.
It added a sentence in brackets under his photo and above his biography, saying 'recused from Commission work on the origins of the pandemic.'
No further information on Daszak's departure was given - but he has faced conflict of interest claims after his close ties to the Wuhan Institute of Virology were revealed last month. "
"...but he has faced conflict of interest claims..."
errrr, ya think?!!
Its all about numbers and percentages, at the moment the chance of catching covid is close to zero, whereas the chance of death from the vaccine is about 1 in a million, but if the virus got out of control and you are over 60 there is a 20% chance of serious illness or even death, over 80 and good luck hombre. We are so lucky so far, but if the numbers got into the thousands people would be dropping like flies. It is as if the planet is culling us like fleas infesting her fur before we wreck the joint.
You clowns are dumber than bricks.
Surely you grey haired, small town inbreds had polio, rubella and other virus related fucked kids around growing up.
Forum heroes. . real world fkn losers.
UK Delta - 1st Feb 2021 > 14 June 2021
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-57525891
806 Hospital cases Unvaxed 65% / One Dose 17% / Fully Vaxed 10%
UK Health can rightly point the bone at hesitants eating sour grapes & straight lining the dot 2 dots.
However! Govt has a trickier job explaining the growing Vax queues down at the Morgue..[f] Shh!
99.99% Vax Rollout places an almighty strain on the Delta undertakers...spare a thought!
34 Unvaxed died from 527 Hospital cases = 6.45% of unvaxed Delta patients die
10 Single vaxerz died from 135 Hospital cases = 7.41% of Single dose Delta patients die
26 Fully Vaxed died from 84 Hospital cases = 30.95% of Fully Vaxed Delta patients die
PHE stats are shocking...just how does the Newspaper skip this death wish each week!
Obvious to all but the blind...that Delta is Kryptonite to the Fully Vaxed...(Isolate 6 feet under!)
Boutique Brew label stuck on the cubicle door...{ VAX Fast ~ Die Young }
Surely this is a wake up call to the invincibles...Vax may prove useful...but only if Delta leaves town.
UK Stats : Delta strain is dominant (90%) & Youth dominate stats. (No hiding behind Oldies this week?)
Walking Dead Vaxerz are rattling their keys to the City of the Dead.
"Ministers are planning to allow quarantine-free travel to amber-list countries for people in England who have been fully vaccinated, the health secretary has said.
Matt Hancock confirmed that ministers were considering how to scrap the requirement for people to isolate for 10 days on return from a country on the list, adding he was is “in favour of moving forward in this area”."
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jun/22/ministers-planning-quarant...
I wonder how long before oz thinks about this?
Im thinking a long long time...
"In order to protect the most vulnerable, world leaders and public health officials need to donate and distribute vaccines, he added.
“We can protect those vulnerable people, those frontline workers,” he said.
“And the fact that we haven’t, as Director-General [Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus] has said, again and again, is a catastrophic moral failure at a global level.”"
whilst I agree with tedros...
he also is a "... catastrophic moral failure at a global level..."
the keyunt should step down, I don't know how half these guys have the audacity to keep showing their heads on tv
https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/health/how-delta-variant-sympt...
Is a needle in every arm really needed ?
Sheep shagger that 3 line insight into your headspace is frightening. Please go get the vaccine ASAP.
Spot on old-dog. Too many humans are ruining the joint, a couple of good viruses will thin us out a bit. We need the earth, it doesn't need us.
sheep shagger wrote:You clowns are dumber than bricks.
Surely you grey haired, small town inbreds had polio, rubella and other virus related fucked kids around growing up.
Forum heroes. . real world fkn losers.
My guess this could be Taj B or Koby A...
Australian media still failing to report what the rest of the world is talking about. https://www.biospace.com/article/data-supports-use-of-anti-parasitic-dru... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-57570377.amp
Wow, even on the BBC.
Has the embargo finally been lifted?
@island bay , the Oxford group said they were going to do trials months ago but haven’t heard anything , the FLCCC were worried how they were going to conduct the trials as in dosages and if they used the FLCCC formula of treatment. Oxford group did some HCQ trials in late stage covid patients and also gave them 4-6 times the recommended dosage and people died giving HCQ a bad name . HCQ was only ever supposed to be used in the first week .
@island bay , this report states that the trials did start in January, there is actually 7 different drugs they are looking at and now its ivermectin’s turn . This study is funded by the British government and as I’ve seen in various reports pig pharma isn’t interested in doing trials on a off patent drug that they can’t make money from . These trials can cost around $20 million so they are a business and would be throwing money away . https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/oxford-university-explores-anti-parasit...
How come a lot of the links posted here trying to create vaccine hesitancy are Republican tea party nut jobs with degrees in business studies or eye specialists still in denial from their boss Trump losing the election. Not one actual virologist, just saying. You don't call a plumber when you need dental work.
Stupid people are the loudest.
https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/5-habits-stupid-people-smart-pe...
@old dog if you had covid would you call a virologist to treat you or a pulmonologist ? I don’t think Rand Paul is encouraging hesitancy, he’s trying to encourage the government to lay out all the facts.
Experts don't give a shit if Covid is an ice cream or a Chiko Roll but will kill anyone who has a sniff!
Nor if China releases a new contagion to quell each & every uprising since iconic Photo...Gesundheit!
WHO : "Covid can't catch on until each member Virology Lab releases their viral Wuhan backpackerz!"
Experts rub out Phase One Rollout Data so thought to rub out the End Phase Vax data to hide the fact.
Contact tracers complain that they're flat out predicting next week's Covid app crash.
25,000 Unis swore to never share a Covid secret that might end the pandemic or their funding or both.
None knows their age or which fucked up experimental drug will fuck them over before covid does!
Claim that these fake 1/100 Pandemic Lords are only half as stupid as the most stupid people on earth?
Ain't no one stupid enough to share such misinformation...well apart from tbb of course.
Its going to be very interesting to see how ivermectin does in this Oxford trial and the format they use . Its also amazing to me that the Australian government was never interested in backing Professor Borody , I understand these trials are very expensive but if the lockdowns and deaths in aged care could have been avoided plus the economic cost of this pandemic then some experts need to be held accountable . The Australian government is also now going to conduct trials on the effectiveness of the vaccines. ( found some money )Personally I wont be surprised if ivermectin fails at these Oxford trials and the green light given for EUA on a variety of new treatment drugs. https://contextly.com/redirect/channel/from/post/params/Y2hhbm5lbDYwZDNj...
What could have been. https://www.biospectrumasia.com/news/47/16577/australia-shares-low-dose-...
Australian ABC media talking about ivermectin with Professor Clancy , after all the negative talk from msm and the government particularly labor politicians its maybe going to get some people thinking. Strange that only sky news was promoting ivermectin and there was plenty of criticism from ABC before. https://www.abc.net.au/radio/newcastle/programs/drive/ivermectin-covid-1...
This story is 10 months old
Indonesia now using ivermectin. https://contextly.com/redirect/channel/from/post/params/Y2hhbm5lbDYwZDQ5...
Supafreak, i'm looking for the clapping emoji...
@shortenism , yeah well done indonesia and if you read the whole article they are going about it sensibly in that its given under prescription only . This is needed as a doctor patient relationship is so important as if the person is on other medications e.g. warafin then it can have a bad reaction with ivermectin. India just handed out medical packages and there can be complications with other medications plus the correct dosage as in weight of person per dose . But india was pretty desperate and just not enough doctors or health care for the population. After the ABC podcast with Professor Clancy yesterday I reckon the spin doctors will be working overtime. It will be hard to stop black market in Indonesia and this has been a problem in South Africa and South America.
Have considered this for some time. Is Australia getting it?
Scot no friends wants free movement for those that are vaccinated , what about returning Australians that are fully vaccinated and in quarantine ?
Australians are outraged at breaches & call for mandating Vaccinations for Care homes & staff!
So when these cozy vaccinated VIP House mates turn into Home Wreckerz...What then?
Each Oz Rollout lockdown was caused by vaccination & cost Billions & that only continues more so.
Stark reality is Vax becoming the source of all breaches & Outbreaks yet Oz bans any scientific debate!
Rewarding vaxerz also rewards future unaccounted main source of Covid outbreaks...well durr!
Drafting policy must look ahead to a fully vaxed world where unvaxed are no longer punching bags.
Just saying to grow up & wise up to the reality that Vax is fast becoming society's next bugbear.
Welcome to yer Great Aussie Dream Home...
Oz similarities to Singapore are many...Health Care + low covid cases since Sept...'fine for this exercise'.
31st Dec > Pfizer / Moderna Rollout is 35-50% > 2nd July -Vax is open to all aged 12 & over.
Oz also wishes a Travel Bubble with Singapore...naturally needs to get up to speed with Vax Rollout.
Singapore's Covid cases are naturally & increasingly more triggered by vaccination & gives Oz an insight.
More importantly they share honest breakthru Data in a roundabout way...unlike closed shop UK/US.
Clever Oz might scan this free insight & wise up on Oz Vax Pass Policy & the like...stop laughing!
Here's 3 examples of a Post Vax World.
*Mindsville (Disabled Care) 112 residents (6-64y/o) residents + 143 staff
Feb / Mar 91% vaccinated ...16th May "Outbreak" ...Staff is reduced to 50%...
30 (91%) vaxed [+] cases includes 8 Staff / 22 residents
3 (9%) unvaxed [+] cases
https://www.truthwarriors.info/l/a-summary-of-the-mindsville-napiri-adul...
*Tan Tok Seng Hospital (48) Outbreak (Affects Mostly unvaxed but Single / Double vaxed do feature)
Health Staff 7 [+] Vaxed reported as source ( Infected >) Health Staff 2 [+] Unvaxed
*(108) Cluster Changi Airport
19 [+] Vaxed reported as source (Infected >) 9 [+] unvaxed
Firstly! One can clearly see why UK/US outlaw the testing of vaccinated.
Mandating Vax obviously sanctions the escalating of Covid outbreaks. (As typically shown above)
Any Leader rewarding vaxerz for spreading Covid to 100's across city utilities would be out of a Job.
Goes without saying...A Vax Pass becomes more futile & dangerous with each & every stamp!
VIP Vax Spies..."Did the leader say to Stop or Spread more covid?"... 'Think we're meant to hide it!'
World stats show more infectious Vax stages 1st Dose 3x / 2nd Dose 8x + now a Post Dose 2x
Given we're in a Pandemic...perhaps science could stop making excuses & tone down their contagion.
June PHE : 1/3 UK Hospitalised Fully Vaxed (Delta) cases end in death...(Worst cure for Covid - ever!)
See covid spreads at same rate with vax + with higher death rate amongst current vaxed Delta patients.
Not sure when Science starts to take Vax / variant breakthrus seriously or even allow debate.
US Mass. State reports 4,000 breakthrus in a heartbeat...(vs) CDC report 10,000 (For whole USA)
50 states x 4,000 = 200,000 Lawfully Sanctioned untested Zombies outside yer door! (Who's counting!)
CDC mislead 20x on "Rare" breakthrus and just about everything else...No surprise or prizes there!
CDC cut funding & banned testing & studies into breakthrus that would end covid sooner than later.
Be cool if Singapore's Vaccine breakthru outbreaks gatecrashed bombastic Aussie breach debates.
"A future Shock...get ready for a Future Shock!"
Home town Heroics from the Lockdown Drama Queen
NSW State of Emergency is booked in rock solid to 25th March 2022.
Only we don't talk about that during the Theatre!
https://www.planning.nsw.gov.au/Policy-and-Legislation/COVID19-response
I was a little shocked at Alan Joyce (CEO Qantas) announcement that international travelers will be required to have a covid 19 vaccination in order to travel on Qantas flights . The government wanted to have mandatory vaccination but after the bumbling of its release ( it was painful to watch the delivery of that announcement ) they withdrew the mandatory part but it seems Qantas and other business may demand a vaccination in order to use their services. I’m not anti vaccine by any means I just don’t trust this government or a vaccine that has been rushed through. A jab followed by another jab followed by yearly jabs doesn’t sit well with me as I have never had a flu shot or the flu for more than 20 years. Plus I don’t want to give this shot to my healthy 4 year old daughter. She is up to date with all her vaccinations but this covid vaccine is new and not being around for decades like the others. Tuberculosis remains the number one as far diseases go and you don’t need proof of vaccination to travel so what is going on ?