Do you like or hate Donald Trump, and why?
Apologies for moving off the current topic, but prior to WW2, Mussolini had journalism defined by Italian law as an adjunct to national policy.
This didn't seem to matter with most of the population, then he started to drop mustard gas on Ethiopian villages.
Are the media Left?
Swelleft keep referring to bogeyman Murdoch.
...and ignore Academia, Hollywood Triple J etc.
The fact that some right wing newspapers and radio exist seems to prove to them that the media is right wing.
Which television stations are Right Wing?.
What about the biggest broadcaster...the ABC.
What about SBS, Triple J, Hollywood, the Dave Lettermans, the universities, the arts, the comedians, the schools?.....as in the bulk of 'the cultural moment'
Also, nobody is differentiating between economic and social issues
On economic issues Labor and Liberal are not far apart, except for certain, often political, issues.
Keating was one of the best Liberal treasurers we've had. No such thing as free tertiary education, he said, someone always has to pay...
Since Labor and Liberal voters account for a huge majority of Australians, on economic issues, Swelleft, by the comments, are more in line with the greens and extreme economic socialists.
So, to extreme left Swelleft, of course the culture seems right wing on economic issues.
On social issues the media is at the progressive forefront with all their chums.
Eg. How was the Same Sex Marriage debate handled by the media?
The very fact that it took Internet news sites and blogs to give voice to grass roots conservatism pproves that they had no home in mainstream media monopoly.
Truth finds a way...
Destroying the free press is usually a precursor to evil deeds Peter. Probably why the right complain so bitterly about their inability to achieve it.
"It's potentially a short step from patriotism to ugly nationalism"
"It's a short step from Swelleft to the gulags"
.... makes about as much sense.
I think our multicultural societies are a teeny weeny bit different to pre WW11 Italy.
Of course, if you overeach in imposing a radically transformation of a nation you will get a fully deserved reaction.
As in open borders...
I still remember a mate of mine the week after the Cronulla Riots down in Sydney, reckoned he was going to drive down to Surfers Paradise on the Saturday night because he received via text from a friend that a group was forming to send the Lebs in Surfers Paradise a message.
It didn't last long, maybe 6 months, but I remember a huge rift in opinion and sentiment at that time with everyone I spoke to.
"Stir your nationalism stick as hard as you want , the Australian people would never stand to be manipulated in the manner of Nazi Germany or Mussolini’s Italy. We are too tolerant, too fair minded and too well educated ."
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Jeez man, I come from Cronulla. I stood in the crowd at the Cronulla riots. I know how bogus the initial charge was, and how disproprotionate the response became on the back of nationalist intent, and I also observed the effect it had on the rest of Australia, people who were far removed from the incident but piled on anyway because, you know, nationalism.
It was a lot to take in, that week in my old hometown, and the subsequent fallout from it. Lotta clear-sighted lessons about human behaviour.
Have you not been following these forums for a couple of years factobum turkeyman shattered bossom?
Blindboy has a clear position.
I feel no need to justify my statement when it's not even debatable. I'm surprised blindboy is arguing otherwise, he as much as admitted it himself when someone posted that codescending hipster vid a few weeks ago.
I get it, he's feeling pressure from blob.
This shit isn't personal for me blindboy, so no offence intended, but your position is pretty bloody clear.
Hipster video? Me? Not that I can remember, but I am slowly realising that what I actually say or do has very little influence on what some people say I do or say. It is getting incredibly tedious to deny the bullshit.
I was living overseas when the Cronulla riots happened. Though it was splashed all over the news where I was. It was embarrassing.
I've always wondered about Alan Jones and 2GBs role in the whole affair...and how the fuck he was allowed anywhere near the airwaves since (or after the 'cash for comments' payola scandal for that matter). Heard about the subsequent NSW police investigation of the matter, the Hazzard Report? It runs to 5 volumes, and Jones and the 2GB gang got a volume to themselves!
Volume 4, Item 3 of the Hazzard report, entitled, “2GB Broadcast Synopsis: 4th December 2005 to 9th December 2005: Alan Jones, Ray Hadley, Jason Morrison,” devotes 108 pages to broadcasts from Sydney radio station 2GB in the lead up to the Cronulla riots. Whilst not “strictly verbatim”, it is a “verified and accurate” record.
On these radio programs, listeners call in, correspondents read out letters, and the hosts constantly volunteer their opinions and interpretations of events and issues.
Alan Jones is one of Australia’s most promoted personalities, and enjoys the closest of relationships with Prime Minister John Howard, as well as with the Labor government in NSW. He is a former speechwriter for the Liberal Party, and a recipient of the Order of Australia.
It is impossible to reproduce the volume of filth and backwardness spewed forth by these radio commentators and their talk show guests in the space available for this article. But to give a sense of the racialist climate they created at the time, it is crucial to revisit at least some of what they said.
Day after day, hysterical exchanges such as the following occurred on morning radio:
Caller: “What kind of grubs do we have here?”
(Alan) Jones: “What kind of grubs? This lot were Middle Eastern, we’re not allowed to say it, but I am saying it.”
The following “correspondence” was read on air by Jones:
* “Unfortunately this happens regularly at Cronulla—gangs of Lebanese youth just swarm over the beach, stealing from and assaulting beach goers; they pick on the youngest.”
* “Alan it’s not just a few Middle Eastern bastards at the weekend, it’s thousands. Cronulla is a very long beach and it’s been taken over by this scum; it’s not a few causing problems, it’s all of them.”
* “Police are too afraid to act ... if we were allowed to act the way we want to, we could solve a lot of problems ... these Middle Eastern people must be treated with a big stick—it’s the only thing they fear.”
Jones openly advocated and encouraged violent reprisals and vigilante behaviour against young men of Middle Eastern appearance.
For instance a caller, John, said: “These people, half of them may be home grown; they have infected minds; they don’t live the Australian way ... if the police can’t do the job the next tier is to us.” Jones replied: “Yeah, good on ya, John.” When John said: “Shoot one, the rest will run ... when you’re outnumbered 20 to 1 you don’t put your hand up and play by Queensbury rules,” Jones replied with laughter and added: “You don’t play by Queensbury rules; good on ya, John.”
Ray Hadley, another “shock-jock” on 2GB, unleashed equally disgusting comments, and also incited violence. Asked whether surf lifesavers should allow people of Middle Eastern appearance to drown when in distress in the water, Hadley commented: “That’s good because there is one less to bash them [the lifesavers]. I don’t care, I’m sick of it; I’m not in the mood today to pander to minorities.” He continued: “It’s about time we reclaimed our beaches.”
Hadley also commented:
* “At the moment we have a core of young people who will not accept; they are Australians, but won’t accept our way of life and we need to do something about it.”
* “We have been too easy ... and we need to get tough.”
Jason Morrison, filling in for Hadley, endorsed an email from a listener who claimed: “We are experiencing circumstances that have caused leaders of other countries through history to declare war on people not assimilating in their country.”
These hosts endeavoured to create the impression of a city and a society under siege by dangerous, distinctly “un-Australian” and barely human elements who needed to be swiftly and violently crushed.
On one occasion, Jones wailed: “We’ve got the pack mentality, we’ve got the Lebanese gangs and the disrespect; you’ve got the mind numbing rap music. They’ve got the weapons and the knives, and like the US, the gangs are drawn along ethnic lines.”
He also said:
* “Here are people hunting with gangs, hunting with knives, randomly threatening people’s lives.”
* “This is suburban this stuff and these people only know one thing: they hate us and they’re going to take over.”
With one caller, Yvonne, Jones claimed: “There is a standard that has to apply and you don’t meet that standard you should be rounded up.” She replied: “And if we don’t have enough police, what’s wrong with getting the army in?... [G]ive these blokes a bit of rifle butt in the face and they’ll back off; they’re cowards.” Jones replied: “If it gets to that we might have to do that, do you follow what I am saying?”
Jones repeatedly read out an alleged text message sent out by local “youngsters” in the Cronulla area encouraging others to go to the beach on the following Sunday, “to support Leb and Wog bashing day”.
On another occasion, Jones called for, “A rally, a street march, call it what you will. A community show of force.”
It did not take long to prove that these considerable efforts were not in vain.
Referring directly to the role of the shock-jocks, the Hazzard report states, “comment made by the broader community relating to the incidents was at times racist, exaggerated, inaccurate and advocated vigilante behaviour.”
How low can you go? The world limbo champions!
Fuckers should have done time for that shit.
Which ones?
Shock jock fucktards.
For cottaging or domestic violence?
Oh...
for the Cronulla stuff!
I get it...
"So, to extreme left Swelleft, of course the culture seems right wing on economic issues.
On social issues the media is at the progressive forefront with all their chums.
Eg. How was the Same Sex Marriage debate handled by the media?"
Back to extremes again Blob.............you have no clothes remember!
Media is a business they pitch to the majority to make money
Hollywood is a business they pitch to the majority to make money.
Sounds mainstream to me not extreme Blob not extreme.
Factotum
Cronulla
Well that was some selective editing and violent exaggeration.....sorta exactly like the rhetoric you are criticising.
And no mention of the behaviour of the 'Lebs' that led to such an angry response.....invisible.
Puff....You are a magician
Such nicely balanced propaganda could get you a job at SBS.
Apart from the News, all I know about the riots is from family members who experienced it firsthand. Labor voters who never listened to 2gb and we're extremely appalled and angry by what was going on.
....Girls in bikinis being evicted from public pools by offended Muslim women.
....Hundreds of assaults on the beaches over the summer that were left to the lifeguards to sort out. Specifically, groups of young men getting close to girls and intimidating and touching them.
....Finally the bashing of the lifeguards.
I wasn't there.
Maybe those provocations never happened.
...but it seems fair to guess something apart from racism made the Cronulla mob angry
This is what I was told was happening to cause the resentment (white hot rage) that blew up.
I'm not one to ever defend (drunk?) yob mobs chasing minorities, but instead of the white guilt SBS version of history, why not some evenhanded context?.....oh that's right....it doesnt support the narrative that floats your leftist worldview.
....and I also have a distant connection to the 'Lebs' who shot and murdered two men in a brawl in Lidcombe and said 'f@ck the Aussies' as they drove away.
Real guns, real Lebs, real dead ethnic Aussies.
But ignore that .....doesn't really fit the conservatives are racist narrative
I focus
Oh, so media bias is only about money huh?
Thanks for that pearl.
Sharkman
"You....love trolling"
"...making sh@t up"
"...you blindly follow"
"...your veil of evil hypocrisy.."
"...pretending to be a ...Christian"
"...your nationalist views"
There you go Sharkman
More direct quotes from a single comment of yours that prove I make sh@t up, and that you are the real nice Christian you insist you are.
Your sentences need work....but your unaware hypocrisies are treats I savour.
Speak of the devil.
https://amp.smh.com.au/business/the-economy/trump-s-2-1-trillion-deal-wi...
So..
"...belief is generally acknowledged as a bulwark against rational thought."
Rubbish.
Irrational rubbish even.
I know you want it to be true so badly, but...
Logic says....
For that statement be true it would require the large (general) proportion of people who have some sort of belief, to also acknowledged their belief makes them irrational.
They don't,
...so it can't be "generally acknowledged" can it.
Sorry...
Also,
How successful was the atheistic rationalism of the USSR in forming a free and wealthy society compared to the irrational believers of the USA?.
Tell you what....the USA was so successful people were dying to get in , while at the same time the USSR was shooting people irrational enough to try getting out.
Perhaps faith is the rational bulwark against under performing materialism.
TLAWAE
Blindboy
Where is the Trump quote boasting of assaulting women?
You can back up your claim I hope
Blowin
You reckon the Left would win everywhere if they could only get their act together.
Their act doesn't work.
The left are terrible on debt.
I'm with some of the lefties here in thinking that debt is the ticking time bomb that may eventually make all our other political nitpicking look like a waste of time.
Regardless of who we prefer to blame, capitalism or socialism dressed as capitalism, on debt the Left and the Right have their heads in the sand big time.
The GFC may be the tremor before the earthquake.
One article I read had average US debt per household - if you combined Government, business and private debt, at almost a million dollars.
The US government debt is now $21 trillion odd
All the world's gold is worth 4 1/2 to 7 1/2 trillion depending who you believe.
Is there even enough money in the world to pay the debt now out there?.
It is a looming disaster.
The interest only of the US debt to China only, is now enough to finance the People's Liberation Army all by itself.
One billionaire investor interviewed on the ABC said he couldn't predict when the crash /correction would come.....but he said, historically, ...it has never not come, and, like sub prime mortgages, it would probably be brought on by some unexpected trigger.
The current bomb is potentially that much bigger than the GFC
This is not a worry to the same talking heads that marched us blindly into the GFC, or to the voters always focussed on more trivial issues.
....of course a lot of people are making lots of money again so why think bad thoughts.
The confident stupidity before, and the panic after the GFC give no reason to have confidence in our economists, markets or governments.
Next time there may be no China to spend our way out of trouble.
The worldwide economy has the appearance of a staggering drunk being held up by those fleecing him.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnmauldin/2018/11/07/a-worldwide-debt-def...
Let's not blame governments though....we are addicted to consumption and debt and they want to keep us happy for obvious reasons.
And we are not interested in making them fix what could destroy our standard of living.
Greece liked spending money it didn't have...
I have no confidence in the big spending, welfare oriented, market manipulating Labor party or the Democrats.
Obama was a debt disaster.
He liked printing money.
I have no confidence in the voters supporting anyone that wants them to take the needed medicine.
...look what happened to Tony Abbott.
The conservatives have the right general idea - stimulate the economy while reducing spend, ...but events could beat them to the punch, and we are tied to the global economy anyway.
Cory Bernadi wanted a freeze on politicians salaries until the budget was in the black.
He got almost no support.
One of the few making noise on this is Alan Jones.
He silenced the hecklers on Q&A with his command of the scary numbers.
...but you still won't hear much about debt on the news
The economy is a personal and national security issue that should have us so concerned we support politicians with an economic plan for debt that is smart and strategic.
Eg. Water security infrastructure spending could help make us a long term source of food that would supplement our resources exports and give us future economic security.
At the moment the biggest part of the economy is.....property and housing....or debt and risk.
That says a lot.
To see where socialism can undo your economy check the growth of social programs expenditure ...and the mind boggling projections.
Dead Republicans voted for dead Christian Republican Brothel owner.
This dead pimp somehow reincarnates as the lone Republican to stay alive!
US already fucked our brains! Now this dead republican senator is gonna eat them.
Afterlife freakshow was legislated by Walt Disney's snap frozen Brain.
Guess this means Trump is GOD...Earth is toast and we're all dead...I must be dreaming!
While we mortals sleep Blob flap flap flaps away on satan's typewriter.
oh blobby boy , no one will talk with you , but me?
Where did I say I was a real nice Christian, more Blobby fake news?
you keep asking about Trump 's rhetoric on assaulting women , " Grab them by the Pussy "is assault , but maybe not in your world.
So following from herr Blobster...
Set me straight please.......isn't Trump gaining in popularity.
Aren't his chances of reelection pretty good at this point?.
Isn't he now more popular than Obama was at the same point in his presidency?.
Didn't the republicans who identified with Trump in this election do better than the republicans that distanced themselves from Trump?.
Just trolling..
Ok Lets set the trolling straight....
Trump picked his candidates respectful that they already had a good chance of winning..
No Trump is not gaining in popularity , especially among women/ people under 40/ Blacks/Hispanics !
Comparing Obama's start to the presidency to Trumps , ah full blown recession/GFC Obama inherited from the Republicans , Vs Worlds best performing economy inherited by Trump who is trying to fuck up Obama's real work in turning around the USA so Trumpy could increase debt and borrowing , another of your Myths is how good the Republicans are with Fiscal policy compared the the Dems!
Try reading where the USA economy is going and why?
https://www.theage.com.au/business/the-economy/trump-s-2-1-trillion-deal...
When I saw the headlines I thought of our Bobby boy!
Reading your appraisal on the Global economy , is actually pretty real , until you start blaming who created this upcoming depression , and what to do about it!
Trump's underworld followers resurrect Senator Hof...(Only Christians/Only in America).
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-11-08/dead-pimp-dennis-hof-wins-seat-in...
The Blob proselytizing for Trump, a fundamentalist God...and now Alan Jones!
Whew!
Carry on...
...up the Khyber.
Your own.
Satan! Satan! Satan!
Neo Nazis have terrorised whoopi Goldberg's home.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2018/11/08/vox-matt-yglesias-defends-...
Sharkman
"Grab them on the pussy" is a partial quote
....in my world.
Please give me the full quote and explain how it is defined as sexual assault.
And Blob your last overnight post can't undo all your previous self- inflicted damage, methinks.
Is that unfortunate? Maybe.
Your transparent shtick - evident for some from the get-go - was just that in the end for all. Nothing more. Nothing less?
Ah well...
Not as dumb as you looked, Blob, yet not as smart as you thought, either.
Sharkman
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/trump_administra...
Trumps approval rating among black voters was at a record high at the end of October
(Blexit)
This is in spite of the fact that much of the media is now the main opposition party.
Factotum
Stick to facts
Sharkman
When you said that you know Jesus, and that the gospel supports your politics and condemns mine, I assumed it was because you thought you were a nice Christian.
I was wrong on that.
Socialism does not work very well
https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/The-Opportunity-Co...
Guysmiley
You seem to have an ongoing unhealthy obsession with flapping
Blob, below your contradictory statements together don't make sense?
"The left are terrible on debt.
I'm with some of the lefties here in thinking that debt is the ticking time bomb that may eventually make all our other political nitpicking look like a waste of time."
Conservative US administration racking up debt at the current levels really is mind boggling corporate welfare (tax cuts to the wealthy) while stripping out investment in education and health strange.
but that's where you're wrong @blob i don't read your spittle, i just duly note it for what it is.
Just for you Blowin. Evidence of my obsession with the NYT
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/08/opinion/democrats-impeach-trump.html?...
real dead ethnic aussies ...do you mean aboriginals , 1st, 2nd generation aussies , or ones that came over on boats called convicts?
Pretty horrible the whole Cronulla riots thing , just so you know the outcome and ever wondered what happened to some of those young Lebs who were at the beaches in gangs hassling people....they were disciplined by their elders.....sent to Lebanon for a decade!
Stu do you think Marxism philosophy is an extreme leftwing agenda or a valid alternative to Democracy + capitalism?
RIPPIN' DEALS - Save up to $300 [Surfboard Warehouse Ad]
Pops up on Blob's linked Breitbart Home Page. WTF (Waco wavepool is closed)
Maybe the Ad is postcode related back to visitor's city in my case Gold Coast.
Perhaps an insight into how Russians tailor election Ads/News as per site visitor.
Suss either way! Did others get same [SW] Ad or a designer hometown Ad!
Blob! You visit this site everyday...SUP gun ads or just regular massacre gun ads?
Ads by Google ! Made me wonder if ads filter thru from this site!...
Getting Paranoid Now...Better not be a game!
I wont' ask if Blob knows Dimitrios10 or works for Google Ads.
Blob's slimy trail of Breitbart links are running 30 pages of Surfboard WareHouse ads.
Near 100 Blob surf Ads but only one swellnet surf Ad just on this thread. Maybe an ad cull.
truebluebasher is inbuilt with Punk Rock bullshit detector.
Click any of Blob's Breitbart links & up pops Trump (SW) surfboard sale.
I simply alerted to the fact that the bullshit trail was rubbing off on all of us.
No matter what clever thing you said it was instantly cut'n'pasted in the Kmart catalogue.
It serves as a warning not to feed in too much of the same shit or it oozes out the pipes.
Do we reach 1,000 ads for TRUMP surfboard hire....Let's not abuse our freedom.
I'll be first to apologize to Swellnet for spreading my 'shitty influenza'. (Trial vaccine)
(Vaccine) Shitty Influenza : (Definition) Scoop-back Influencer's pile of shit to piss them off.
Don't mind me... avagoodweekend...Power on & read between the ads!
The Progressive Left's project of societal reinvention is having the effect of hollowing out the political centre ....their response is to blame or attack those who oppose them
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2018/11/10/migration-germans-feel-like-...
Keep them coming , Blob.
I am curious if you guys like DonaldTrump, or do you hate him?