What's what?
Malcolm's been very quiet about the panama papers
http://www.afr.com/news/politics/malcolm-turnbull-named-in-panama-papers...
Seriously Sypkan, have you actually read anything that I have posted. If you reckon I'm with LNP then again you have the blinkers on. Murdoch as you know has lost and is continual loosing influence. In today's media he is becoming irrelevant. I'm sure you can see that. Dear Jerry will keep him busy, I bet.
As suggested previously, it would be better if we all got involved in politics directly. Join the local branch, see how the wheels of politics work. Even local council involvement will show this.
Re the Panama papers, you know the ATO is already onto it. Of course it's shit, but in most cases technically legal.
well your duncan pays no net tax line is straight out of the liberal's handbook
one day your sayung, "pay up your union dues fellas" the next day it's " the union are bikie thugs intimidating small business"
then there's the blind support for burning anything and everything, coal, oil, nuclear as long as it's 'jobs and growth'
you're all over the shop (as am I with the left right thing) but your all over the shop seems to try and align yourself with the workers while spruiking anything Liberal, big business, mining, anti climate change, aussie patriot and a host of other conservative causes.
calling out the duncan for no net tax just sounds like you wrote the australian article
and now you're backing turnball!!
I don't care if it's technically legit, it's morally reprehensible, and the development that ordinary aussies have accepted these twisted ways that are technically legit. but clearly wrong is why everything is so fucked up at the moment
but hey half the fifo crew on here are probably playing the game as well, because kerry packer said you're a mug if you don't
I'd rather die poor
Mr Storrar's tax position is not 'out of the liberals handbook' - whatever that is.
Get amongst it, get involved and have a look for yourself.
BTW, the union blokes got a few Comencheros mugs to trash my mates car. Why, because he is a union member wanting to drive a cement truck for a company that did not want to pay a bribe to the union. Anyway that being sorted out - it's in the courts.
tonybarber wrote:Mr Storrar's tax position is not 'out of the liberals handbook' - whatever that is.
Get amongst it, get involved and have a look for yourself.
BTW, the union blokes got a few Comencheros mugs to trash my mates car. Why, because he is a union member wanting to drive a cement truck for a company that did not want to pay a bribe to the union. Anyway that being sorted out - it's in the courts.
Cool story bro
His son doesn't think too highly of him.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/media/broadcast/the-truth-about...
Gotta love the 'Dirty Digger'. A great Australian. Or is that Seppo? Whatever, a great, great global citizen. He will be sorely missed when he dies. Mourned even.
I think its a good thing that we all pay some tax, including Duncan via GST when he shops at the supermarket.
Like so many arguments presented by the right this "Duncan pays no tax" attack rings hollow.
So Duncan is living week to week and is helping to support a family including his two kids.
Shouldn't a caring society try to look after people like Duncan and his family because his two kids are part of Australia's future? The higher the education those two kids get the better they will be contributing members of the community .........
and the alternative? ..... Well Duncan fucks off and leaves the misses and kids in poverty that history shows is likely to repeat itself into the next generation ........
So, on one hand the conservatives want small government and as few people on welfare as possible and people in paid employment but on the other they aren't prepared to support families like Duncan's with fair social /economic policy .......
Any objective look at the current government policies and budget would conclude they are heavily based on "trickle down economics" ........ surely its time that this totally discredited policy of the conservatives is exposed for what it is ..... looking for a reason why Trump is so popular in the US its because your average white jock's wages haven't increased in real terms for close on 30 years .......... but at the same time the gap between the mega rich and average joe has massively increased .......... its happening here also and with young people aged 20-35 now pretty much locked out of the housing market thanks to negative gearing and Howard's capital gains tax concessions on the sale of rental properties this gap will only continue.
Australians need to wake up out of their slumber.
sypkan, our Tones is in lock-step with the IPA and for the record joining a political party and "getting involved" proves squat except perhaps you are prepared to sacrifice any and all principles and values you may have once had, Barber you're one heartless bastard .
talkingturkey wrote:Gotta love the 'Dirty Digger'. A great Australian. Or is that Seppo? Whatever, a great, great global citizen. He will be sorely missed when he dies. Mourned even.
Shatner'sBassoon wrote:Australia, you've been warned
TB (cough, cough) and others, don't be part of the TL:DR* brigade...have a go!
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-05-12/bradley-why-are-we-being-sold-the-...
A comment:
"George H W Bush, while running against Reagan, called Ronnie's economic scheme "voodoo economics". David Stockman, Reagan's economic architect, disavowed the principle in later years.
It doesn't work the way it's sold. It's not supposed to. It is a scheme by which the rich get richer and the poor continue to struggle. It's a scheme designed as a con, an insult. Anyone selling it is laughing in the face of those who might need to benefit from government actually working on their behalf, rather than working for those already doing well. You won't hear it being touted by anyone but the LNP or the US Republican Party. There's a reason for that: they don't work for the majority; they serve only the rich.
Kellie O'Dwyer lied. Every Liberal selling this budget to the public is lying."
Turdstill sending off the troops?
* Tory lemmings don't read?
Front page of the Saturday Paper last, erm, Saturday had a great story with relevant historical context about the bullshit of trickle down economics and how it came to dominate economic thought, written by Mike Seccombe (who is a journo worth following):
Good article Stu and its what everyone in their guts would know .... as someone above said giving families like Duncan's a few extra quid in the budget would be good for the economy coz Duncan will spend it each week.
Stu, I think you will find Reaganomics, as the article states, is not applicable or relevant for Aus since the GFC. Firstly, the budget this year is aiming to help small to medium businesses - certainly not the rich. Aus has a totally different tax regime than what US has. For example, there is a specific Budget Repair Tax Levy which only applies to those over $180k. It seems the article grabbed onto the phrase 'jobs and growth'. With the proposed superannuation tax changes, there are no obvious elements in the Aus budget which clearly benefit the 'rich' (which needs to be defined). With the advent of China and where we are now, jobs is a big issue. China's current economic power and influence was not around back in Reagan's time.
Aus actually has high tax rates compared globally. Importantly, small to medium businesses employ more people than large companies (70% as opposed to 30 approx.). I doubt Reaganomics applies here to Aus.
Classic comment regarding the governments internship policy on Sydney Morning Herald -
" Everyone knows that young Australians enjoy serfing."
Too funny.
Tones, either you're delusional or now attempting some form of black comedy? More likely the former!
'the bullshit of trickle down economics'? Oh please stu, it doesn't even compare to the bullshit of socialism that you're pushing! Have a look at the real world - no-one is moving towards socialism - quite the opposite.
A small business is seen as one with a turnover up to 10 mill (up from 2 mill from July 1 as per Turnbull's budget). And with the company tax cuts and maybe penalty rates fucked off - Yew! - that is some sweet ka-ching. Oh, and jobs, yeah, jobs, yeah, course. Jobs. And growth and shit.
Let's make Australia great again!
(Spoken for the LNP by Mr Jobsen Grouth.)
Well, Comrade Stunts, the (shudder) Stalin...sorry, socialist (according to THE WEEEEN), what kind of toaster you gonna get for the Swellnet team? Or are you over the small business threshold?
theween wrote:'the bullshit of trickle down economics'? Oh please stu, it doesn't even compare to the bullshit of socialism that you're pushing! Have a look at the real world - no-one is moving towards socialism - quite the opposite.
Woah! Where to start?
Should I start..?
*parp*
theween wrote:'the bullshit of trickle down economics'? Oh please stu, it doesn't even compare to the bullshit of socialism that you're pushing! Have a look at the real world - no-one is moving towards socialism - quite the opposite.
babahahahaha ... aren't the socialists under the beds with the reds?
stunet wrote:
theween wrote:'the bullshit of trickle down economics'? Oh please stu, it doesn't even compare to the bullshit of socialism that you're pushing! Have a look at the real world - no-one is moving towards socialism - quite the opposite.
Woah! Where to start?
Should I start..?
*parp*
Haha
Cock Smoking thread;)
"Aus actually has high tax rates compared globally"
Sure, unless you're the big boys, then you pay little or nothing.
theween wrote:'the bullshit of trickle down economics'? Oh please stu, it doesn't even compare to the bullshit of socialism that you're pushing! Have a look at the real world - no-one is moving towards socialism - quite the opposite.
I would say you're right Ween, no-one is moving towards socialism.
But if you're actually saying that you'd prefer to move away from a social democracy, that's something else again. If so, be prepared to embrace neo-feudalism, cause that's where the Right want to take us.
wellymon wrote:stunet wrote:
theween wrote:'the bullshit of trickle down economics'? Oh please stu, it doesn't even compare to the bullshit of socialism that you're pushing! Have a look at the real world - no-one is moving towards socialism - quite the opposite.
Woah! Where to start?
C'mon Welly, what'd you think?
You're in touch with some of the most beautiful things the world has to offer, that's got to influence your politics?Should I start..?
*parp*
Haha
Cock Smoking thread;)
Where'd my comment go?
I said Welly, what do you think? You're into some beautiful things and places, that's gotta influence your politics?
AndyM wrote:Where'd my comment go?
I said Welly, what do you think? You're into some beautiful things and places, that's gotta influence your politics?
Sorry Andy M, I'm not allowed to vote.....;)
Cheers
Wellymon.
I'll donate my vote for you to use welly
tim foilat wrote:I'll donate my vote for you to use welly
Kind of you Tim;)
stunet wrote:Front page of the Saturday Paper last, erm, Saturday had a great story with relevant historical context about the bullshit of trickle down economics and how it came to dominate economic thought, written by Mike Seccombe (who is a journo worth following):
here is the link to the study done back in 2012......
http://www.businessinsider.com.au/study-tax-cuts-dont-lead-to-growth-201...
im always cautious of equating correlation to causation. but in this case it hard to fault those findings. tax cuts for the rich really don't produce growth.
damn...to think that not only are the poor working for the rich, they have been fooled into it aswell!
seems not much has changed in the past....oh say several thousand years.
Well, here in Orstrahlya, things have defo changed in a coupla hundred I'd say.
Now where the fuck has my thread-worthy pet Yowie, Stryker, got to? Here, mon, cum to daddy.
#imwithduncan
Dispelling The Australian's attack on Duncan ....
http://www.dailylife.com.au/news-and-views/dl-opinion/budget-2016-why-th...
Bit of the shine seems to have worn off for the poor fella. News full of articles trying to character assassinate him today.
Strewth! Just step back and look at the amount of media coverage and more importantly the type of media coverage a citizen that asked a question on a telly show is getting.
At the same time our PM is mentioned by name, not even as an associate as in the case of David Cameron's dad, but by name, actually him alone in one of the globe's biggest stories of the moment, maybe of years, and yet...
Fucked. Just fucked. Wake up and smell the concrete.
You gotta at least laugh.
http://www.betootaadvocate.com/entertainment/qas-duncan-storrar-named-in...
talkingturkey wrote:Strewth! Just step back and look at the amount of media coverage and more importantly the type of media coverage a citizen that asked a question on a telly show is getting.
At the same time our PM is mentioned by name, not even as an associate as in the case of David Cameron's dad, but by name, actually him alone in one of the globe's biggest stories of the moment, maybe of years, and yet...
Fucked. Just fucked. Wake up and smell the concrete.
You gotta at least laugh.
http://www.betootaadvocate.com/entertainment/qas-duncan-storrar-named-in...
Bahahahahahaha.... That's gold, turkey slap.....
But on a more serious note, Here we have News L, via The Australian, The Herald Sun, and of course A Bolt, going for the jugular..... Apparently this guy is now a "tax bludger"......... Yes..... A "tax bludger"...... So the theory is that even though you may work, you can now be called a tax bludger for not paying tax..
http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/commen...
That's all well and good....... But I was wondering...... Seeings Bolts employer News L, who also own both the Australian and Herald Sun was named as one of the big companies that paid no tax, at all, with the turnover in the billions, Does that mean we have a tax bludger calling a tax bludger a tax bludger?
http://www.crikey.com.au/2015/12/17/transfield-news-corp-and-exxon-mobil...
Well at least The Australian continues with its long history of unbiased "news".
Old Duncan must have hit a nerve there for the dogs to be let off their chains.
like the turkey said, makes good copy. Meanwhile actual serious issues or discussions are completely obscured.
To state the obvious, these fuckers don't want a serious factual discussion.
If we had one, all their bullshit (superannuation rort, negative gearing, capital gains rort, big boys offshore tax dodge) would be blown out of the water.
To coin a phrase...Fucked, just fucked. Why do people keep on voting in the face of what's on offer?
The usual reasons
- they get thrown a few crumbs (whilst getting totally shafted)
- the party panders to their prejudices such as immigration or same sex marriage (whilst getting totally shafted)
- their parents voted that way
- they lack critical reading/literacy skills (no wonder the LNP don't want the great unwashed going to higher education)
- they're just plain dumb or ignorant (the old "oh who gives a fuck about politics, they're all shit")
Nothing like getting paid out on time and time again for 20+ years because you give a shit about your country.
This sustained attack on Duncan is not at all surprising as his questions on Q & A illustrate perfectly the hollowness of the neocons "trickle down" economic theories.
Playing the man is a classic conservative diversion in the absence of any meaningful economic or social modelling supporting their discredited policies. A look over there not here .....
If trickle down economics works lets see the modelling, lets see the examples anywhere in the world where the average jock benefits ...... shouldn't be too hard for the neocons given its been around since Reagan, Thatcher and Howard.
Talking about modelling remember Turnbull admitting his government had no modelling in support of his negative gearing tax rout for the rich ..... its a trust me!
So on tax cuts in the budget and the insistence to keep the discredited negative gearing provisions is based on ideology not facts not modelling ..... but all we get from the shit-washed Murdoch press is Duncan bashing.
Great one the other day, the ABC finds a Reserve Bank's statement that says "Any change which discourages negative gearing may be good from a FS [financial stability] perspective".
Instead of the LNP being slow off the mark or behind the times, Cormann describes this statement as "old and unremarkable".
Laughable.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-05-09/rba-memo-suggests-curbing-negative...'good'/7399506
Growth....for the wealthy
&
Jobs....for the boys
http://www.afr.com/news/politics/election-2016-turnbull-government-makes...
Poor old Duncan's on suicide watch now.... His elderly mum is beside herself..... Rupert, Bolt and co are a disgrace.......
Fucking disgusted. I hope this is Murdoch's 'Milly Dowler' moment here. Scum.
And its the left that are apparently wagging the "class" war. Spare me the bullshit.
For those who are absolutely sick of the bullying of "the little people", sign this.....
https://www.change.org/p/press-council-and-acma-suspend-publication-of-n...
And then there's all this. News? Whereabouts?
https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/coalition-cor...
the "theaim" article does not reference which individual stories were badmouthing him. was is it the Australian and the herald sun? was it multiple articles or just those two.....other papers too?
cant stand when change.org doesn't make it exactly clear what i am protesting about. very happy to sign on the basis of bullying. but not happy to sign on the basis that the guy is on suicide watch as titled in the change petition. two separate things to me.
happyasS wrote:the "theaim" article does not reference which individual stories were badmouthing him. was is it the Australian and the herald sun? was it multiple articles or just those two.....other papers too?
cant stand when change.org doesn't make it exactly clear what i am protesting about. very happy to sign on the basis of bullying. but not happy to sign on the basis that the guy is on suicide watch as titled in the change petition. two separate things to me.
Yeah legit, it's lazy doesn't give much cred. The scabs at Murdoch started the stories but all the other mainstream and not so maintream media have continued to disperse the information.
talkingturkey wrote:And then there's all this. News? Whereabouts?
https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/coalition-cor...
That's a good rundown and it doesn't even touch the sides as far as describing the corruption in all levels of Australian politics for the recent past. It doesn't make sense that society has come to the point where it accepts overt corruption, actually rewards it, all the while punishing and demonising anybody who does anything about it.
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