That’s weird, that’s queer, that’s crazy, that deserves a long hard look.
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- she is a great sport, has a soft mat, but says poles are meant to be broken
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Both testicles sitting comfortably at polar opposites. AW
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french pole-vaulter fails performance-enhancing drug testicle.
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- haha b6 & AW, yep, setting demented records at world record pace
....kinda like rising to the occasion if opening the vault once every four years..... go hard or go home ;)
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- and he did try to milk that one, but ended up falling flat
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Captions please
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Jelly Flater wrote:- haha b6 & AW, yep, setting demented records at world record pace
....kinda like rising to the occasion if opening the vault once every four years..... go hard or go home ;)
We are poles apart and it’s revaulting , well not really.
You can tell the surf is flat around here today. AW
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...bulging swell on the horizon, when it cums would b nice to get a big set in the bag ;)
(& can't see that link @supa)
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That pony ride is a bit rough. It really threw him.
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^^ ohhhhhhhh shiiiiit
.....haha supa what have u done ;)
- beat me to it AW..... back to the human skewer ;);)
(& haha v good @seeds)
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Supafreak wrote:
Supafreak. Hi mate.
Shish kebab. AW
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- next up is shishka bob clackerjack..... representing the vatican ;)
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Prostate, early intervention screening, no longer a digital era. AW
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First time I've ever seen a helmet used in pole-vaulting.
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.....a hard landing to take, that pole became his worst enema
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First time I've ever seen a helmet used in Pole-Vaulting.
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In the Green & Gold colours, representing Australia in the pole vault, please make him welcome, Russell Coight. AW
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- poking the bear man buns
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One way to find oneself in Pole Position.
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Holed up again, caught out attempting reverse polarity. AW
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.....brokeback mountain vault ;)
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He might not have got the gold medal, but i think he'll get the gold.....based on his..'performance'.
When one door closes, a whole lot of others open right up. ;-)
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French pole vaulter Anthony 'Scrotum Pole' Ammirati, blames coach:
'it was his mixed-messages! he told me I must go hard in events.. but also, not to stay up too long, and to make sure I hit the sack!!'
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French ?
I thought he was Polish.
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“Seriously!!!
When your sport is all about getting your body over a bar and it’s a matter of millimetres!
My man! Call a drag queen!
She’ll teach u how to tuck it!”
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Haha @udo
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His attempt was ill fated as his pole was a bit dated.
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Matt Shirvington just Tweeted
Baquette ....its more like a French Snail
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^ curse of the unpacked lunch ;)
& back to supa's chocolate pole drop
.....read the hole story from the book 'inside job' , written by a pole fault specialist - the moving experience inspired by the depth and hard hitting impact of 'in enema territory' ;);)
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Anmirati came up on the Bulgearian Peninsula. Where it really juts out. Packed his sac, sheathed his pole and slipped into France when he was a just a wee scrote. Pitched his tent in Couille. Down there in the Midi.
Pretty sure Roy Slaven always used to say that Grassy Grannal was very firm and would never let him vault with a pole that was too stiff. Don’t reckon this kinda balls up ever cost Roy a medal.
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.....hopping frog goes pole to pole, mangina goes awol
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What a crack up.
Is there a proctologist in the house?
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- downward spiral in a dangerous game of 'bike without a seat'
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Surely it’s that big it’s owner has bought it a shoe and makes it walk
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^ hahaha
...bigfoot plays 'just the tip' while walking on air in pole land
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@guy
No one gave it a run on the tunes thread but there is a not dissimilar lyric in this.
Naughty words and themes warning
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...french / strayan fusion ;)
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Haha where’d you find that. Classic
No metal though.
Borrie part two is good too
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Apparently the IBA will be making further statements Monday night . https://www.bbc.com/sport/olympics/articles/cnk4427vvd2o So nothing has been confirmed yet to say these boxers are in fact XY and have swyer syndrome. It’s all speculation ……..” People with Swyer syndrome, according to the National Library of Medicine, have one X chromosome and one Y chromosome in each cell (typically found in boys and men), but they have female reproductive structures. Again, it's not known whether either of the boxers has these genetic variations. “ https://www.nbcnewyork.com/paris-2024-summer-olympics/olympics-boxing-im.... And is this a case of dodgy dealings from the IBA. ? Boxing is a clean sport……… funny how after defeating a Russian opponent the shit started . https://www.reuters.com/sports/olympics/who-is-algerian-boxer-imane-khel...
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GuySmiley wrote:Surely it’s that big it’s owner has bought it a shoe and makes it walk
Next Olympics he will be a shoe in for the schlong jump.
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Supafreak wrote:Apparently the IBA will be making further statements Monday night . https://www.bbc.com/sport/olympics/articles/cnk4427vvd2o So nothing has been confirmed yet to say these boxers are in fact XY and have swyer syndrome. It’s all speculation ……..” People with Swyer syndrome, according to the National Library of Medicine, have one X chromosome and one Y chromosome in each cell (typically found in boys and men), but they have female reproductive structures. Again, it's not known whether either of the boxers has these genetic variations. “ https://www.nbcnewyork.com/paris-2024-summer-olympics/olympics-boxing-im.... And is this a case of dodgy dealings from the IBA. ? Boxing is a clean sport……… funny how after defeating a Russian opponent the shit started . https://www.reuters.com/sports/olympics/who-is-algerian-boxer-imane-khel...
I just want to know what the boxer’s testosterone levels are compared to a female boxers and if that female boxer increased her testosterone levels if she would be allowed to compete or would she be disqualified for a banned substance?
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philosurphizingkerching wrote:GuySmiley wrote:Surely it’s that big it’s owner has bought it a shoe and makes it walk
Next Olympics he will be a shoe in for the schlong jump.
Hahaha
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A man walks into a chiropodist and whips out his penis, “sir, that’s not a foot” to which he replies “what, you not quibbling about a couple of inches?”
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burleigh wrote:Supafreak wrote:Apparently the IBA will be making further statements Monday night . https://www.bbc.com/sport/olympics/articles/cnk4427vvd2o So nothing has been confirmed yet to say these boxers are in fact XY and have swyer syndrome. It’s all speculation ……..” People with Swyer syndrome, according to the National Library of Medicine, have one X chromosome and one Y chromosome in each cell (typically found in boys and men), but they have female reproductive structures. Again, it's not known whether either of the boxers has these genetic variations. “ https://www.nbcnewyork.com/paris-2024-summer-olympics/olympics-boxing-im.... And is this a case of dodgy dealings from the IBA. ? Boxing is a clean sport……… funny how after defeating a Russian opponent the shit started . https://www.reuters.com/sports/olympics/who-is-algerian-boxer-imane-khel...
I just want to know what the boxer’s testosterone levels are compared to a female boxers and if that female boxer increased her testosterone levels if she would be allowed to compete or would she be disqualified for a banned substance?
Wouldn’t you want to know that about all athletes burleigh ? From the second article….. Can women have high levels of testosterone?
Simply put, yes, in the same way that many men can have low levels of testosterone. However, women with higher levels of testosterone have faced more criticism and questions about their gender.
Many of the rules set by governing bodies for participation in women's competitions include testing of the athlete's testosterone levels, but it's not a perfect test, Adams said as he addressed the boxing controversy.
While scientists and the IOC agree that testosterone is "an important factor shaping performance in elite athletes in certain sports, events and disciplines," it doesn't necessarily predict the performance of an individual athlete.
"Many women can have testosterone which will be called 'male levels' and still be women and still compete as women. This idea that you do one test for testosterone and that sorts everything out? Not the case I'm afraid," Adams said.
The IOC spokesman told reporters that there has been “a lot of misinformation around on social media particularly, which is damaging.
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Shambolic , dodgy, corrupt ? I think both organisations have had their share of scandals when it comes to who’s running the show . https://apnews.com/article/olympics-2024-boxing-imane-khelif-iba-a26248f...
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Supafreak wrote:burleigh wrote:Supafreak wrote:Apparently the IBA will be making further statements Monday night . https://www.bbc.com/sport/olympics/articles/cnk4427vvd2o So nothing has been confirmed yet to say these boxers are in fact XY and have swyer syndrome. It’s all speculation ……..” People with Swyer syndrome, according to the National Library of Medicine, have one X chromosome and one Y chromosome in each cell (typically found in boys and men), but they have female reproductive structures. Again, it's not known whether either of the boxers has these genetic variations. “ https://www.nbcnewyork.com/paris-2024-summer-olympics/olympics-boxing-im.... And is this a case of dodgy dealings from the IBA. ? Boxing is a clean sport……… funny how after defeating a Russian opponent the shit started . https://www.reuters.com/sports/olympics/who-is-algerian-boxer-imane-khel...
I just want to know what the boxer’s testosterone levels are compared to a female boxers and if that female boxer increased her testosterone levels if she would be allowed to compete or would she be disqualified for a banned substance?
Wouldn’t you want to know that about all athletes burleigh ? From the second article….. Can women have high levels of testosterone?
Simply put, yes, in the same way that many men can have low levels of testosterone. However, women with higher levels of testosterone have faced more criticism and questions about their gender.
Many of the rules set by governing bodies for participation in women's competitions include testing of the athlete's testosterone levels, but it's not a perfect test, Adams said as he addressed the boxing controversy.
While scientists and the IOC agree that testosterone is "an important factor shaping performance in elite athletes in certain sports, events and disciplines," it doesn't necessarily predict the performance of an individual athlete.
"Many women can have testosterone which will be called 'male levels' and still be women and still compete as women. This idea that you do one test for testosterone and that sorts everything out? Not the case I'm afraid," Adams said.
The IOC spokesman told reporters that there has been “a lot of misinformation around on social media particularly, which is damaging.
They didn't answer the question Supa. just dodged around it, darted left and right then ran away.
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Does anybody here really think these fighters are not at an advantage by having male DNA in female boxing?
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burleigh wrote:Does anybody here really think these fighters are not at an advantage by having male DNA in female boxing?
Can you please provide the evidence that these boxers have “ male DNA “
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