Botany Nerds Ahoy

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seeds started the topic in Saturday, 29 Jul 2023 at 1:40pm

Seems a keen interest for some, so why not.

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AlfredWallace Tuesday, 18 Jun 2024 at 7:34am

Seeds. Hi fella. Go to your local P.O today, it’s arriving.AW

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Devine Madness Tuesday, 18 Jun 2024 at 8:08am

My buddha belly bag it comment was taken out of context , sorry Seeds !

Guessing Seedy has created his own Potting Mix :) !

Some concoction of mulchy wormy Green Plant Super Food !

Let's mass produce the Stuff and get Australia Growing , again .

Stick it in a furnace 4 a test , it may even Power Australia .

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seeds Tuesday, 18 Jun 2024 at 8:37am

Roger that AW

The bamboo is an Asper. Not Buddha Belly.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dendrocalamus_asper
The new shoots are edible but I haven’t tried them.

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AlfredWallace Tuesday, 18 Jun 2024 at 8:47am
Devine Madness wrote:

My buddha belly bag it comment was taken out of context , sorry Seeds !

Guessing Seedy has created his own Potting Mix :) !

Some concoction of mulchy wormy Green Plant Super Food !

Let's mass produce the Stuff and get Australia Growing , again .

Stick it in a furnace 4 a test , it may even Power Australia .

Devine Man

North American lumber industry had been screaming out for hemp pulp for tongue and groove under flooring, they finally got it.
We should follow. You can grow 1.2million plants per hectare, non THC strain, purely for fibre which when I last checked is the strongest natural know fibre to man at present.
It’s time to get smart, or we will miss it by, that much AW

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Devine Madness Tuesday, 18 Jun 2024 at 9:48am

AW

You are right , again .

We should grow tons of Pot .

Just saw how Bangkok is coping with Weed shops everywhere .

Guessing , not much in this Mighty Mega City of 10 million has changed that much .

Especially for the Locals , that I saw on the Streets .

Alcohol is consumed by many more people .

Watched a doco yesterday about finding Temples in the Jungles of Cambodia , with Xray Drones .

The Scientists had to cut their way through Dope plants , to find another Temple .

The Plant must grow Everywhere !

The Locals are used to it .

Not sure why Things haven't been built with it before , more .

Just like the Aussie Lung Fish , the Dope Plant , if used properly , can lead Us into a New World Wide Building Millenia .

Legalise IT !

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AlfredWallace Tuesday, 18 Jun 2024 at 10:31am
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AW

You are right , again .

We should grow tons of Pot .

Just saw how Bangkok is coping with Weed shops everywhere .

Guessing , not much in this Mighty Mega City of 10 million has changed that much .

Especially for the Locals , that I saw on the Streets .

Alcohol is consumed by many more people .

Watched a doco yesterday about finding Temples in the Jungles of Cambodia , with Xray Drones .

The Scientists had to cut their way through Dope plants , to find another Temple .

The Plant must grow Everywhere !

The Locals are used to it .

Not sure why Things haven't been built with it before , more .

Just like the Aussie Lung Fish , the Dope Plant , if used properly , can lead Us into a New World Wide Building Millenia .

Legalise IT !

Devine Madness. Hi mate, sorry my mob thumped the Dees

You’re right, at least remove the prohibition factor and take away the criminal element, stop clogging up courts and wasting our money.
I’ve been going to conferences and symposiums for 25 years about hemp fibre.

Why are we so slow on the uptake? Seems like a regular theme for our country.
We know we should do the right thing but continue to mow down forests, it’s insane
Get a copy of David Lindemeyers lasted book, Forest Wars, recently released. It highlights the insane way we value and devalue biological assets and biodiversity, for what, just so we can wipe our arse or make cardboard boxes.
Does my head in. Piss weak governments of all persuasion. AW

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zenagain Tuesday, 18 Jun 2024 at 10:39am

Check out 'The Emperor wears no clothes' by Jack Herer. Fascinating book about hemp. I believe there was a $100k reward to anyone that can dis-prove any claim about hemp made in the book. I don't believe anyone has successfully done so.

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AlfredWallace Tuesday, 18 Jun 2024 at 10:50am
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Check out 'The Emperor wears no clothes' by Jack Herer. Fascinating book about hemp. I believe there was a $100k reward to anyone that can dis-prove any claim about hemp made in the book. I don't believe anyone has successfully done so.

Zen. Hi mate. Hope alls well with you and your family in Japan.
Good stuff, I’ll check it out, thanks. AW

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Devine Madness Tuesday, 18 Jun 2024 at 10:54am

AW , no your not , not a thumping either , although the Trac is off track 4 a while .

The Dees have a good run home .

If Goody and Gawny are True Leaders , a Kiwi finish , 4 sure :)

Australia is not the Only country that doesn't use Hemp Fibre , 4 building .

Not even sure if Anywhere uses it , perhaps its a Developing Technology , that's now READY to Use .

We need to Build lots of good Stuff .

Weed is a weed , it can be so cheap and leave the THC in it .

No regulations .

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seeds Wednesday, 19 Jun 2024 at 10:09am

AW, I just picked up your package. Thanks heaps.
Couple of great reference books plus what looks like a couple good reads.
Cheers

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AlfredWallace Wednesday, 19 Jun 2024 at 10:57am
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AW, I just picked up your package. Thanks heaps.
Couple of great reference books plus what looks like a couple good reads.
Cheers

Seeds. Hi, my pleasure.

The bird book is the compact form of the larger more comprehensive one. The Australian Bird Guide is the most up to date book, definitively, nothing else compares.
The Flora of Australia is old but I wanted you to have it because in the back there is a dichotomous key to plant identification, monocotyledons and dicotyledons. With a small hand lens (10x mag) you can identify basic floral parts. It’s one of those keys where you get option to yes it that or no it’s not and you go to the next option. It will get you the correct Plant Family . I hope you enjoy all of them. AW

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seeds Thursday, 20 Jun 2024 at 11:47am

Some sort of coastal beauty. In flower now along the coastal stretches. Smaller bushier type. Nothing immediately west of the coastal strip. Go the green and gold.
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Intricate flowers on the wattles. Bland trees when not in flower.

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AlfredWallace Thursday, 20 Jun 2024 at 6:58pm
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Some sort of coastal beauty. In flower now along the coastal stretches. Smaller bushier type. Nothing immediately west of the coastal strip. Go the green and gold.
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Intricate flowers on the wattles. Bland trees when not in flower.

Seeds. Hi.

Is it Acacia maidenii Maidens Wattle ?

What’s very evident in the second photo are the phyllodinous leaves.
Phyllodes are modified leaf stems

Acacia sp. in Australia fall into two different categories,

(1) Bipinnate foliage, the ferny looking type, this foliage persists for its entire short life.

(2) The other is phyllodinous foliage, as in your photo. Only phyllodes present in adult life.

All Acacia sp. in Australia have bipinnate foliage post seed germination, it persists in the aforementioned (1) for the entirety.

In the (2) bipinnate foliage persists in the juvenile phase then modifies to phyllodes.

All Acacia sp. have a symbiotic relationship with a Rhizobium nitrogen fixing bacteria.

All African species of Acacia always have bipinnate foliage.AW

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seeds Thursday, 20 Jun 2024 at 7:00pm

Holy cow!
I need a couple of Bex and a lay down after reading that.
Good stuff.

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AlfredWallace Thursday, 20 Jun 2024 at 7:09pm
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Holy cow!
I need a couple of Bex and a lay down after reading that.
Good stuff.

Seeds. I’m sure you can muster up something organic that’s a little better than Bex.

Acacia botany is quite easy to grasp. If I had a couple of samples in my hand and you were present , you’d learn in 5 minutes how to distinguish what is what.

You look at the flowers first, find their group in a table in a little Wattle hand book, check the foliage and with a hand lens you look for the arrangement of little circular glands on the rachis which is what the leaves are connected to. If I’m ever up your way I could show you. AW

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seeds Thursday, 20 Jun 2024 at 7:54pm

Okay, I just partook in a big bunga. No I didn’t. But I’m always struck by the beauty and intricacy of wattle flowers up close. Amazing! From an ugly tree generally when not in flower. Aussies to a tee. The understated that shine when needed or required.

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seeds Thursday, 20 Jun 2024 at 7:56pm

Which Wattle is our national flower?

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basesix Thursday, 20 Jun 2024 at 7:59pm

Solagard, innit?

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seeds Thursday, 20 Jun 2024 at 8:03pm

;);), You got a green and gold house@basesix
oi oi oi

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mattlock Thursday, 20 Jun 2024 at 8:48pm

Acacia pycnantha Seeds. Golden Wattle.
They grow like weeds around here.

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seeds Thursday, 20 Jun 2024 at 8:56pm

Thanks Mattlock. I’m a little bit patriotic.
I’ll google

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seeds Thursday, 20 Jun 2024 at 9:00pm

Ah yes. I’ve seen the puff balls in my youth. Pretty weed indeed.

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AlfredWallace Thursday, 20 Jun 2024 at 9:12pm
seeds wrote:

Okay, I just partook in a big bunga. No I didn’t. But I’m always struck by the beauty and intricacy of wattle flowers up close. Amazing! From an ugly tree generally when not in flower. Aussies to a tee. The understated that shine when needed or required.

Seeds. Ditto, up close wattle flowers are devine.
I’m thinking your wattle photo could be Acacia fimbriata.

Most Acacia sp. not all , play a huge ecological role in our forests. AW

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seeds Friday, 28 Jun 2024 at 10:22am

Always impressed when driving past this pine. Anyone have any idea how it would grow as a double? Was it just pure chance that two nuts grew side by side. The base looks as one at the very bottom.
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blackers Friday, 28 Jun 2024 at 10:48am
seeds wrote:

Always impressed when driving past this pine. Anyone have any idea how it would grow as a double? Was it just pure chance that two nuts grew side by side. The base looks as one at the very bottom.
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Looks like one plant to me, but the main stem bifurcated early days.

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AlfredWallace Friday, 28 Jun 2024 at 11:16am
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seeds wrote:

Always impressed when driving past this pine. Anyone have any idea how it would grow as a double? Was it just pure chance that two nuts grew side by side. The base looks as one at the very bottom.
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Looks like one plant to me, but the main stem bifurcated early days.

Seeds. Hi fella.

Nice specimen. Bifurcation no problem, happens in the normal biological world when trees are struck by lightning, or when wind snaps the initial apical leader or disease kills that growth tip or animals chew it off.
Bifurcation normally happens early in a trees life.

Alas, it can be human induced also.

Plants/trees have all varying levels of hormones from the roots to the tip of the plant and to lateral branches, it’s a competition to balance equilibrium.

When one type of hormone is suppressed, it becomes opportunistic for other ones to exert their dominance.

For example, when you clip a hedge, you are removing hormones that control apical dominance and then lateral branches grow in a more horizontal manner until the apical hormone dominates again.
This is how gardeners can manipulate hedging to the plants advantage .AW

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seeds Friday, 28 Jun 2024 at 1:41pm

Ha cheers guys. Big words I don’t know but understand.
This one I planted at 1 foot from a pot. It’s now 20’ plus.
At about half this size a branch fell from a gum and snapped the top tip of the Bunya. I watched for a year and eventually a new shoot emerged within 10mm of broken tip.
Singular and kept heading for the sun.
Having trimmed many plants (here’s your next joke @ asham) to bush them out I was surprised to see it continue with a singular trunk.
ps that hurt writing that much.
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AlfredWallace Friday, 28 Jun 2024 at 2:06pm
seeds wrote:

Ha cheers guys. Big words I don’t know but understand.
This one I planted at 1 foot from a pot. It’s now 20’ plus.
At about half this size a branch fell from a gum and snapped the top tip of the Bunya. I watched for a year and eventually a new shoot emerged within 10mm of broken tip.
Singular and kept heading for the sun.
Having trimmed many plants (here’s your next joke @ asham) to bush them out I was surprised to see it continue with a singular trunk.
ps that hurt writing that much.
IMG-5841

Seeds. Hi. I like your garden and its rates of growth.

If you have a tree in its developmental stage, say 6 ft high and it has its dominant tip/leader/shoot heading for the sky, and for some accidental reason it gets broken off.
It’s very simple to reestablish what you previously had.

You get one of the supple side branches that is flexible enough to bend without snapping, bend it upwards facing to the sky, with a hardwood stake, tape it in two places to vertically hold it in place, wait a couple of months for the cells in the cell walls to lignify and go hard, before you know it you have a new leader again, remove hardwood stake and tape. Within a year or two you wouldn’t even know your original leader was broken or snapped off. AW

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seeds Friday, 28 Jun 2024 at 2:17pm

AW, this happened naturally I guess in my case. No sign of the original break. All trunk now.
ps thanks a lot. Now I have to go and google lignify. Always learning.

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blackers Friday, 28 Jun 2024 at 2:21pm

Lignin makes the cell walls hard (=woody). Snigger.

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seeds Friday, 28 Jun 2024 at 2:30pm

Hey, I’m well Lingin;)
But now I’m reading about protoplasts/plasm and then spheroplasts.
It’s all getting a bit sordid.
Learnt something today, that’s for sure.

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AlfredWallace Friday, 28 Jun 2024 at 3:08pm
seeds wrote:

Hey, I’m well Lingin;)
But now I’m reading about protoplasts/plasm and then spheroplasts.
It’s all getting a bit sordid.
Learnt something today, that’s for sure.

Seeds. You know me, could rabbit on for days.

Cellulose is the most abundant natural/organic polymer on earth, found in cell walls.
Hemi- cellulose mostly found in the cell walls of cereal/grain crops, less woodiness required .

Lignin is the Arnold Schwarzenegger compound in cell walls that’s very resistant to water and subsequent rotting, hence bark and wood. AW

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GreenJam Saturday, 29 Jun 2024 at 3:18pm

Hi all.
Nice specimen seeds! Always a favourite the bunya. I know of a similar looking 'double-hoop' in our area, and my partner and I have debated how it came to be. Sometimes just a wallaby chewing on the young seedling will trigger it, sometimes the seedlings just come up that way, as AW has far more eloquently explained.

just catching up on this thread - saw your message on the temperature. That just confirmed why I've left my cold house for a while! I hear it has been milder this week.

very balmy here. Now on the Cassowary Coast. A sleepy coastal town, with a nice remnant patch of mesophyll vine forest right on my doorstep. 2 new trees for me in there - the tar tree or native cashew (Semicarpus australiensis), and an interesting rare palm - Arenga Palm (Arenga australasica). A big-leaved clumping thing - Indo Id - you might know this one?

Heading a little further south to Mission Beach tomorrow. More nice rainforest all around there, hoping to spot a Cassowary soon. Will link up with the local conservation group, and was just looking at their website and came across a short video which might interest y'all on here - see link below. They're doing some good stuff with the rainforest reveg, trialling some more innovative methods.

cheers

https://www.cassowaryconservation.asn.au/news.html

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ashsam Saturday, 29 Jun 2024 at 5:45pm

Good jungle you got going on there seeds, plenty of hiding spots lol ;)
You on small acerage?

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AlfredWallace Saturday, 29 Jun 2024 at 5:54pm
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Good jungle you got going on there seeds, plenty of hiding spots lol ;)
You on small acerage?

Yeah, he grows an acre at a time Ashsam, he’s in the green belt. AW

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ashsam Saturday, 29 Jun 2024 at 6:15pm

Wouldn’t mind 1 acre myself now, build a smaller house, insulate it well and live off the grid. Had a 5 acre block when I moved here was $50k lol, house was $86k to build. Was a bit far from the coast 20 mins, and kids came along so sold it.

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seeds Saturday, 29 Jun 2024 at 6:45pm

Thinking of doing the same on my own block actually. Need my own space. It’s only 2 acres but main house is up top close to road so plenty of spots down the bottom in the scrub.

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ashsam Saturday, 29 Jun 2024 at 7:00pm

Our block is 900m2 and house is 370m2 under roof, too big for soon to be 2 of us. Will have 3 bedrooms, 2 bathrooms and a rumpus room not being used. Mostly gardens though only takes 25 mins to mow the rest.
When our kids got older we started planting citrus trees lol ;)