The United States(!) of A
green room wrote:The gigantic US asset price everything bubble, pumped up by crazy, outta-control Democrat-backed government spending and debt, just got busted wide open.
The Dems turned the stock market, housing prices, crypto—everything—into a monster pump-and-dump Ponzi scam with all that government dough and borrowing, pushing the US right to the edge of an economic and financial collapse.
The US is staring down a do-or-die moment. It’s this close to a total economic and financial failure, thanks to the Democrats’ wild spending and debt addiction, plus jacked-up global trade deals that keep the US bleeding cash with long-term, unsustainable trade deficits.
No way it could keep rollin’ like this forever. The longer it went on, the more painful the cure.
It was either let the US as we know it crash and burn, or pull back on the government debt and trade gaps.
Trump’s stepping up to save the day.
The Dems were basically committing big-time treason, and they need to pay for it.
It's realy sad that you believe the things you just typed. I could refute every single one of them, but you don't strike me as someone who would change his point of view when confronted with inconvenient facts. That said, I'll go ahead and mention a few anyway:
The hole that Trump blew in the budget was far more than anyone before or since. Trump added over 8 trillion to the debt, almost double the amount Biden added.
https://thehill.com/business/4736740-trump-biden-fiscal-policy-deficit/
The economy under Biden was solid. Inflation spiked to be sure, but was back down to around 3% when he left. Stocks performed very well. Our markets now range from "correction" to "bear" status.
The Democrats are guilty of treason, but the guy who incited a violent mob to overturn an election is America's best hope?
btw, my first post on here was me hoping that Australians never succumb to the brain virus that has led the US to where we are. Your post makes me wonder if that can be avoided.
Be interesting to see where all the stock market investment money ends up after the fire sale.
Could it be moving away from companies that have invested in manufacturing in China ( nearly everyone) and into new American manufacturing startups.
The factories are still all there….and so now is the money….just need renovating and re visioning…..even the unions are all on trumps side.
The people need to believe in themselves again and work through the painful bit.
They were about to go under big time and can’t keep living on the brink of total economic government shutdown at least once a year.
Like it or not….painful or not….outrageous or not ….something had to give.
Confusion wrote:mick66 wrote:esco wrote:I hope the citizens of democracies world wide take note. The disaster I am experiencing as an American did not have to happen. It is the result of propaganda right wing radio that was enabled under Reagan. It is the result of religious fanatics gaining power in US congress hell bent on forcing their twisted morals on the majority. It is the result of Citizens United making corporations people and the resulting takeover of US government by the wealthy. It is the result of ignorance being accepted as status quo. Sure there are other reasons but these are the main causes of the trump disaster. Today kind of had that same vibe as the day trump won his second term. People bumped and worried. The difference is, that feeling appears to be held by the those that voted for the stupid cunt. Your average American is forecast to have to spend anywhere from 2100-3800 dollars more a year to pay for these tariffs. More news is coming out about layoffs in industries directly impacted by tariffs. This will most likely result in further layoffs as consumers will have even less money to spend on American made goods. Kind of like a Great Depression down ward spiral. Of course none of this a surprise. At least to those who think, read, know some history. Shit that might disqualify half of my fellow Sepos! I think there are many Americans out there that might have been hoping for trump to completely fuck the economy and make necessities even more expensive. Fuck I was. It is the only way to destroy the MAGA and hopefully rid government of all the trump sycophants. Kind of weird when I think about it, rooting against your country. But fuck the MAGA. They are mostly too stupid to realize their leaders policies only hurt their quality of life. I'm sure many are reconsidering their vote and whether the tuff rhetoric on immigration, anti NATO, anti DEI, and the way the US is being unfairly treated by Europe were not really all that important after all. Not that they even cared or thought about these issues before trump. I expect more and larger protest through out the US this weekend and growing as the ramifications of the crashing economy become more evident. I'd like to think trump will step down as president, kind of a tantrum type event like that poor loser kid who loses and stomps off taking the ball with him leaving everyone else thinking what a little bitch. He is very sensitive to negativity. Can't seem him lasting until 2028. The disaster he has created will lose him to much support. Taking the tariffs back will undermine anything else he wants to do. The tariffs were supposed to bring in trillions that will enable tax cuts for the rich but they will most likely have lost much more with crashing markets and it will probably be unlikely that any bill supporting said tax cuts will get through the senate. Trump support is not what it was a week ago.
Fellow Seppo here Esco, and your thoughts in regards to the root causes of what led to Trump are spot on. I think I started to post on here a few months ago about Rush Limbaugh, but thought it would be hard to explain the impact he had. Which then led to Newt Gingrich and on and on.
Yesterday I had a mechanic at my business working on some machinery. He listened to right wing radio as he worked. When he finished, we talked about the impact of the new tariffs on the stock market and economy. Because it was what he'd been fed all day he said "We're in for a really rough year or two, and then things will get back on track." Nice guy, but like so many Americans, he was instantly brainwashed by what the radio hosts told him, whereas 3 months ago, he would have been predicting economic Nirvana from day one of Trump's presidency. It's mind blowing.
Hey at Mick66
We have similarities here in Australia, with Radio 2 GB and 2UE , spreading their propaganda across rural areas who have limited choices ,and mechanics etc listening to it all day . We had some painters painting our units in rural NSW , and they had it on all day
with Ray Hadley becoming their best mate.
But we don’t get many overt flag owners or sticker car guys at the beach yet , which is a good thing.
Here it felt like it didn't happen all at once. More like the line about how things go "Slowly, slowly. Then all at once."
And as mentioned, this isn't about conservatism (in the US.) There are positives about different idealogies and political parties that keep each other from going too far in one direction or another.
This is about radicalism. Tribalism. Us vs. them. Emotional rather than rational
Hopefully it doesn't progress (regress?) to that point in Australia.
Optimist wrote:Be interesting to see where all the stock market investment money ends up after the fire sale.
Could it be moving away from companies that have invested in manufacturing in China ( nearly everyone) and into new American manufacturing startups.
The factories are still all there….and so now is the money….just need renovating and re visioning…..even the unions are all on trumps side.
The people need to believe in themselves again and work through the painful bit.
They were about to go under big time and can’t keep living on the brink of total economic government shutdown at least once a year.
Like it or not….painful or not….outrageous or not ….something had to give.
Wow. I never thought SN would have someone dumber in basic economics than Indo.
Go to the top of the class, Opti.
Confusion wrote:mick66 wrote:esco wrote:I hope the citizens of democracies world wide take note. The disaster I am experiencing as an American did not have to happen. It is the result of propaganda right wing radio that was enabled under Reagan. It is the result of religious fanatics gaining power in US congress hell bent on forcing their twisted morals on the majority. It is the result of Citizens United making corporations people and the resulting takeover of US government by the wealthy. It is the result of ignorance being accepted as status quo. Sure there are other reasons but these are the main causes of the trump disaster. Today kind of had that same vibe as the day trump won his second term. People bumped and worried. The difference is, that feeling appears to be held by the those that voted for the stupid cunt. Your average American is forecast to have to spend anywhere from 2100-3800 dollars more a year to pay for these tariffs. More news is coming out about layoffs in industries directly impacted by tariffs. This will most likely result in further layoffs as consumers will have even less money to spend on American made goods. Kind of like a Great Depression down ward spiral. Of course none of this a surprise. At least to those who think, read, know some history. Shit that might disqualify half of my fellow Sepos! I think there are many Americans out there that might have been hoping for trump to completely fuck the economy and make necessities even more expensive. Fuck I was. It is the only way to destroy the MAGA and hopefully rid government of all the trump sycophants. Kind of weird when I think about it, rooting against your country. But fuck the MAGA. They are mostly too stupid to realize their leaders policies only hurt their quality of life. I'm sure many are reconsidering their vote and whether the tuff rhetoric on immigration, anti NATO, anti DEI, and the way the US is being unfairly treated by Europe were not really all that important after all. Not that they even cared or thought about these issues before trump. I expect more and larger protest through out the US this weekend and growing as the ramifications of the crashing economy become more evident. I'd like to think trump will step down as president, kind of a tantrum type event like that poor loser kid who loses and stomps off taking the ball with him leaving everyone else thinking what a little bitch. He is very sensitive to negativity. Can't seem him lasting until 2028. The disaster he has created will lose him to much support. Taking the tariffs back will undermine anything else he wants to do. The tariffs were supposed to bring in trillions that will enable tax cuts for the rich but they will most likely have lost much more with crashing markets and it will probably be unlikely that any bill supporting said tax cuts will get through the senate. Trump support is not what it was a week ago.
Fellow Seppo here Esco, and your thoughts in regards to the root causes of what led to Trump are spot on. I think I started to post on here a few months ago about Rush Limbaugh, but thought it would be hard to explain the impact he had. Which then led to Newt Gingrich and on and on.
Yesterday I had a mechanic at my business working on some machinery. He listened to right wing radio as he worked. When he finished, we talked about the impact of the new tariffs on the stock market and economy. Because it was what he'd been fed all day he said "We're in for a really rough year or two, and then things will get back on track." Nice guy, but like so many Americans, he was instantly brainwashed by what the radio hosts told him, whereas 3 months ago, he would have been predicting economic Nirvana from day one of Trump's presidency. It's mind blowing.
Hey at Mick66
We have similarities here in Australia, with Radio 2 GB and 2UE , spreading their propaganda across rural areas who have limited choices ,and mechanics etc listening to it all day . We had some painters painting our units in rural NSW , and they had it on all day
with Ray Hadley becoming their best mate.
But we don’t get many overt flag owners or sticker car guys at the beach yet , which is a good thing.
Here it felt like it didn't happen all at once. More like the line about how things go "Slowly, slowly. Then all at once."
And as mentioned, this isn't about conservatism (in the US.) There are positives about different idealogies and political parties that keep each other from going too far in one direction or another.
This is about radicalism. Tribalism. Us vs. them. Emotional rather than rational
Hopefully it doesn't progress (regress?) to that point in Australia.
@ Mick66 hopefully people power will respond..,if they get the message are affected enough.
Roadkill wrote:A Salty Dog wrote:indo-dreaming wrote:green room wrote:The gigantic US asset price everything bubble, pumped up by crazy, outta-control Democrat-backed government spending and debt, just got busted wide open.
The Dems turned the stock market, housing prices, crypto—everything—into a monster pump-and-dump Ponzi scam with all that government dough and borrowing, pushing the US right to the edge of an economic and financial collapse.
The US is staring down a do-or-die moment. It’s this close to a total economic and financial failure, thanks to the Democrats’ wild spending and debt addiction, plus jacked-up global trade deals that keep the US bleeding cash with long-term, unsustainable trade deficits.
No way it could keep rollin’ like this forever. The longer it went on, the more painful the cure.
It was either let the US as we know it crash and burn, or pull back on the government debt and trade gaps.
Trump’s stepping up to save the day.
The Dems were basically committing big-time treason, and they need to pay for it.
100% agree.
You two should try and make contact with reality.
It’s like the economic illiterate leading the economic illiterate
Roadkill wrote:It’s just so very obvious that Trump has NFI and is making it up as he goes and is enabled by morons, and supported by gullible clowns and cheered on by people with very little knowledge of financial/economic outcomes.
Roadkill wrote:Optimist wrote:Be interesting to see where all the stock market investment money ends up after the fire sale.
Could it be moving away from companies that have invested in manufacturing in China ( nearly everyone) and into new American manufacturing startups.
The factories are still all there….and so now is the money….just need renovating and re visioning…..even the unions are all on trumps side.
The people need to believe in themselves again and work through the painful bit.
They were about to go under big time and can’t keep living on the brink of total economic government shutdown at least once a year.
Like it or not….painful or not….outrageous or not ….something had to give.Wow. I never thought SN would have someone dumber in basic economics than Indo.
Go to the top of the class, Opti.
By all means have your say but can you please fuck off with the condescending bullshit!
Look dude nobody really knows if trumps plan will work or not, you are going to get all kinds of views and opinions even from so called experts and even these so called expert's are wrong a lot of the time, great example was all these experts saying Covid was going to see a recession and the housing market collapse and then the exact opposite happened with housing prices going crazy.
But to say Trump has no plan and is making it up as he goes is just complete bullshit, you are just blinded by your bad case of Trump derangement syndrome.
He clearly has a plan that takes in many different aspects not just the economy, but a bigger picture of USA and it's relationship to the rest of the world, but again will that plan work, look we will have to wait and see.
BTW. Yeah i only have a basic understanding of economics, but i do know that shit you support like catching fish in one country and sending it to another to be processed only to be sent back to the country caught in to be sold, is just plain fucking stupid and could be prevented with basic targeted tariffs, and i also know that the course that the USA and other Western countries are on of racking up huge debt and spending more than they gain in tax revenue is stupid, or that relying on China for so much things including things we cant go without especially in a time of war, while also saying we might get involved in a war with China one day is also stupid.
Went to a new property to do some work for a bloke a few days ago.
As i was chatting to him, convo turned to the inevitable Trump.
He gleefully pointed to his cap which i'd somehow overlooked, and there it was....
MAGA. I stood there with thoughts spinning through my head. Do i punch him in the face (can't do that), laugh in his face and look for the fastest exit...can do that, so laughed a snorting belittling kinda laugh, began initiating heel pressure to swivel and leave, before he pointed at it again with a cheeky look in his eye. In small letters under it was written 'Make America Go Away" with a Canadian flag embedded in the MAGA font. Bloody legend! See, his wifes Canadian. ;-)
Apologies to all the US correspondents on here.....it's aimed at Trumps mob, not you lot.
mick66 wrote:esco wrote:I hope the citizens of democracies world wide take note. The disaster I am experiencing as an American did not have to happen. It is the result of propaganda right wing radio that was enabled under Reagan. It is the result of religious fanatics gaining power in US congress hell bent on forcing their twisted morals on the majority. It is the result of Citizens United making corporations people and the resulting takeover of US government by the wealthy. It is the result of ignorance being accepted as status quo. Sure there are other reasons but these are the main causes of the trump disaster. Today kind of had that same vibe as the day trump won his second term. People bumped and worried. The difference is, that feeling appears to be held by the those that voted for the stupid cunt. Your average American is forecast to have to spend anywhere from 2100-3800 dollars more a year to pay for these tariffs. More news is coming out about layoffs in industries directly impacted by tariffs. This will most likely result in further layoffs as consumers will have even less money to spend on American made goods. Kind of like a Great Depression down ward spiral. Of course none of this a surprise. At least to those who think, read, know some history. Shit that might disqualify half of my fellow Sepos! I think there are many Americans out there that might have been hoping for trump to completely fuck the economy and make necessities even more expensive. Fuck I was. It is the only way to destroy the MAGA and hopefully rid government of all the trump sycophants. Kind of weird when I think about it, rooting against your country. But fuck the MAGA. They are mostly too stupid to realize their leaders policies only hurt their quality of life. I'm sure many are reconsidering their vote and whether the tuff rhetoric on immigration, anti NATO, anti DEI, and the way the US is being unfairly treated by Europe were not really all that important after all. Not that they even cared or thought about these issues before trump. I expect more and larger protest through out the US this weekend and growing as the ramifications of the crashing economy become more evident. I'd like to think trump will step down as president, kind of a tantrum type event like that poor loser kid who loses and stomps off taking the ball with him leaving everyone else thinking what a little bitch. He is very sensitive to negativity. Can't seem him lasting until 2028. The disaster he has created will lose him to much support. Taking the tariffs back will undermine anything else he wants to do. The tariffs were supposed to bring in trillions that will enable tax cuts for the rich but they will most likely have lost much more with crashing markets and it will probably be unlikely that any bill supporting said tax cuts will get through the senate. Trump support is not what it was a week ago.
Fellow Seppo here Esco, and your thoughts in regards to the root causes of what led to Trump are spot on. I think I started to post on here a few months ago about Rush Limbaugh, but thought it would be hard to explain the impact he had. Which then led to Newt Gingrich and on and on.
Yesterday I had a mechanic at my business working on some machinery. He listened to right wing radio as he worked. When he finished, we talked about the impact of the new tariffs on the stock market and economy. Because it was what he'd been fed all day he said "We're in for a really rough year or two, and then things will get back on track." Nice guy, but like so many Americans, he was instantly brainwashed by what the radio hosts told him, whereas 3 months ago, he would have been predicting economic Nirvana from day one of Trump's presidency. It's mind blowing.
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indo-dreaming wrote:Roadkill wrote:A Salty Dog wrote:indo-dreaming wrote:green room wrote:The gigantic US asset price everything bubble, pumped up by crazy, outta-control Democrat-backed government spending and debt, just got busted wide open.
The Dems turned the stock market, housing prices, crypto—everything—into a monster pump-and-dump Ponzi scam with all that government dough and borrowing, pushing the US right to the edge of an economic and financial collapse.
The US is staring down a do-or-die moment. It’s this close to a total economic and financial failure, thanks to the Democrats’ wild spending and debt addiction, plus jacked-up global trade deals that keep the US bleeding cash with long-term, unsustainable trade deficits.
No way it could keep rollin’ like this forever. The longer it went on, the more painful the cure.
It was either let the US as we know it crash and burn, or pull back on the government debt and trade gaps.
Trump’s stepping up to save the day.
The Dems were basically committing big-time treason, and they need to pay for it.
100% agree.
You two should try and make contact with reality.
It’s like the economic illiterate leading the economic illiterate
Roadkill wrote:It’s just so very obvious that Trump has NFI and is making it up as he goes and is enabled by morons, and supported by gullible clowns and cheered on by people with very little knowledge of financial/economic outcomes.
Roadkill wrote:Optimist wrote:Be interesting to see where all the stock market investment money ends up after the fire sale.
Could it be moving away from companies that have invested in manufacturing in China ( nearly everyone) and into new American manufacturing startups.
The factories are still all there….and so now is the money….just need renovating and re visioning…..even the unions are all on trumps side.
The people need to believe in themselves again and work through the painful bit.
They were about to go under big time and can’t keep living on the brink of total economic government shutdown at least once a year.
Like it or not….painful or not….outrageous or not ….something had to give.Wow. I never thought SN would have someone dumber in basic economics than Indo.
Go to the top of the class, Opti.By all means have your say but can you please fuck off with the condescending bullshit!
Look dude nobody really knows if trumps plan will work or not, you are going to get all kinds of views and opinions even from so called experts and even these so called expert's are wrong a lot of the time, great example was all these experts saying Covid was going to see a recession and the housing market collapse and then the exact opposite happened with housing prices going crazy.
But to say Trump has no plan and is making it up as he goes is just complete bullshit, you are just blinded by your bad case of Trump derangement syndrome.
He clearly has a plan that takes in many different aspects not just the economy, but a bigger picture of USA and it's relationship to the rest of the world, but again will that plan work, look we will have to wait and see.
BTW. Yeah i only have a basic understanding of economics, but i do know that shit you support like catching fish in one country and sending it to another to be processed only to be sent back to the country caught in to be sold, is just plain fucking stupid and could be prevented with basic targeted tariffs, and i also know that the course that the USA and other Western countries are on of racking up huge debt and spending more than they gain in tax revenue is stupid, or that relying on China for so much things including things we cant go without especially in a time of war, while also saying we might get involved in a war with China one day is also stupid.
Trump act like he knows some US history. He apparently is very fond of William McKinley who enacted heavy tariffs when he was president (while at the same time severely hurting the consumer), went all manifest destiny and acquired multiple island nations (which trump desires), and was eventually assassinated by an immigrant (some Americans wish this). Tariffs were once again tried by President Hoover at the onset of the Great Depression. They succeeded in other countries raising tariffs against the US, The cost of domestic goods going up, consumers not buying said goods, workers being laid off, resulting in even less consumer activity, and more layoffs, and the downward spiral the GD became. No trump doesn't have a plan, He doesn't read. He just is winging it based on a flawed belief backed by no successful historical precedent. This, along with the myth of trickle down economics is what trump (4.5 trillion tax cut for the rich) is all about. It's been over a hundred years since trickle down economics was first thought up by the wealthy, brought into the limelight under Reagan and failed and is now proposed for the second time by trump and still has never worked.
hey @info, as the grandson of a man who you recently said had PTSD as a the result of his forced labour during the German (Nazi) occupation of his native Holland what in the fuck don’t you understand of what Trump has done politically to the US? Seriously man, if you are still lucky enough to have any of that generation of your family alive or even your parents’ generation reach out to them and ask them their thoughts on how Trump and his ilk have lurched the US to the fascist far right … and to think that there are 10s of thousands of American troops buried throughout Europe who died fighting the Nazis.
Ihttps://www.ww2cemeteries.com/normandy-american-national-cemetery.html
@indo
How could Trump have a plan, when he picks the most incompetent,unqualified cabinet possible,
whose dumb mistakes are impossible to predict what they will be, and when and where they happen,
And his on again off again tariffs, depending on the wind direction and who says what and what other countries might respond.
And what the Courts will rule against his illegal unconstitutional executive orders.
If Trump did have a plan , it’s been changed many times ???
Don’t worry, it’s not the tariffs. It’s deepseek, ai… The market is only down because of tech, it’s got nothing to do with maga, isolationism, tariffs…They’ll spin this story in no time. And probably throw Musk and tech under the bus. Come 2028 and no one will remember any of this, it will another anti tech, anti globalisation platform…
https://www.reuters.com/markets/treasurys-bessent-market-drop-mag-7-prob...
It’s not just the economy that is in trouble,
On Wednesday right wing looney
Laura Looma. talked Trump into firing the
Director of the National Security Agency
Timothy Haugh and the Deputy Director
Wendy Noble , both career officials , with decades of experience in National Security, leaving the US wide open to intelligence breaches.
@ flolo said “ come 2028 no one will remember any of this “ including your post !
Confusion wrote:@ flolo “ come 2028 no one will remember any of this “ including your post !
Step away from the computer, Sexxy. Your need to respond to every post with the same old shite is getting tiresome.
Republican Rand Paul gives it to both parties, he also was 1 of the 4 republicans who voted against tariffs on Canada .
flollo wrote:Don’t worry, it’s not the tariffs. It’s deepseek, ai… The market is only down because of tech, it’s got nothing to do with maga, isolationism, tariffs…They’ll spin this story in no time. And probably throw Musk and tech under the bus. Come 2028 and no one will remember any of this, it will another anti tech, anti globalisation platform…
https://www.reuters.com/markets/treasurys-bessent-market-drop-mag-7-prob...
interesting that this guy even became the don's secretary to the treasury
apparently he's an old school hard core keynesian...
maybe just maybe, trump does plan to pump all the money back into america... to MAAA... make america acceptable again... for the inhabitants...
another old school democrat, ...yet another!!!, ...philanthropist, highly qualified (hello jeffy), and perhaps most interestingly... used to be a boss of the soros foundation...
but then heavily donated to trump campaign, read into that what you will...
because I will
anyway, a bit ridiculous all these claims these people have no idea what they're doing, they're highly qualified, experienced, connected, and seemingly highly motivated to save the place before it's too late...
because the democrats were doing nothing... beyond pumping the printing presses...
again
yeh it's wild, yeh its disrupting, disturbing, dangerous... yeh it's reckless...
but clearly a load of people thought the alternative was slow suicide
Confusion wrote:@ flolo said “ come 2028 no one will remember any of this “ including your post !
hey JeffY, when ya guna bring back my MAGA T shirt and Cap?...ya had it for a while now, wearing it to the surf school to impress the young chicks.
Btw, hows that beginner pool at urbanSurf going for you...is it better than that unpredictable ocean?
indo-dreaming wrote:Roadkill wrote:A Salty Dog wrote:indo-dreaming wrote:green room wrote:The gigantic US asset price everything bubble, pumped up by crazy, outta-control Democrat-backed government spending and debt, just got busted wide open.
The Dems turned the stock market, housing prices, crypto—everything—into a monster pump-and-dump Ponzi scam with all that government dough and borrowing, pushing the US right to the edge of an economic and financial collapse.
The US is staring down a do-or-die moment. It’s this close to a total economic and financial failure, thanks to the Democrats’ wild spending and debt addiction, plus jacked-up global trade deals that keep the US bleeding cash with long-term, unsustainable trade deficits.
No way it could keep rollin’ like this forever. The longer it went on, the more painful the cure.
It was either let the US as we know it crash and burn, or pull back on the government debt and trade gaps.
Trump’s stepping up to save the day.
The Dems were basically committing big-time treason, and they need to pay for it.
100% agree.
You two should try and make contact with reality.
It’s like the economic illiterate leading the economic illiterate
Roadkill wrote:It’s just so very obvious that Trump has NFI and is making it up as he goes and is enabled by morons, and supported by gullible clowns and cheered on by people with very little knowledge of financial/economic outcomes.
Roadkill wrote:Optimist wrote:Be interesting to see where all the stock market investment money ends up after the fire sale.
Could it be moving away from companies that have invested in manufacturing in China ( nearly everyone) and into new American manufacturing startups.
The factories are still all there….and so now is the money….just need renovating and re visioning…..even the unions are all on trumps side.
The people need to believe in themselves again and work through the painful bit.
They were about to go under big time and can’t keep living on the brink of total economic government shutdown at least once a year.
Like it or not….painful or not….outrageous or not ….something had to give.Wow. I never thought SN would have someone dumber in basic economics than Indo.
Go to the top of the class, Opti.By all means have your say but can you please fuck off with the condescending bullshit!
Look dude nobody really knows if trumps plan will work or not, you are going to get all kinds of views and opinions even from so called experts and even these so called expert's are wrong a lot of the time, great example was all these experts saying Covid was going to see a recession and the housing market collapse and then the exact opposite happened with housing prices going crazy.
But to say Trump has no plan and is making it up as he goes is just complete bullshit, you are just blinded by your bad case of Trump derangement syndrome.
He clearly has a plan that takes in many different aspects not just the economy, but a bigger picture of USA and it's relationship to the rest of the world, but again will that plan work, look we will have to wait and see.
BTW. Yeah i only have a basic understanding of economics, but i do know that shit you support like catching fish in one country and sending it to another to be processed only to be sent back to the country caught in to be sold, is just plain fucking stupid and could be prevented with basic targeted tariffs, and i also know that the course that the USA and other Western countries are on of racking up huge debt and spending more than they gain in tax revenue is stupid, or that relying on China for so much things including things we cant go without especially in a time of war, while also saying we might get involved in a war with China one day is also stupid.
The cretin who pays out on someone for their “shitty” taxi driver job has a go at someone for being condescending…..
Go play on the freeway oxygen thief……
Confusion wrote:It’s not just the economy that is in trouble,
On Wednesday right wing looney
Laura Looma. talked Trump into firing the
Director of the National Security Agency
Timothy Haugh and the Deputy Director
Wendy Noble , both career officials , with decades of experience in National Security, leaving the US wide open to intelligence breaches.
https://youtu.be/xcLx6RXQoDA?si=A-bpYv-oQMCnVbid
I actually reckon this sort of action along with the bizarre group chat which leaked secret military plans to the outside journo, along with no doubt more pissing off the military as a whole, is going to lead him and his regime straight towards a hostile military takeover/coup. It's inevitable. Someone does need to stop him, he's burning bridges daily, hourly actually, distanced himself and America from all long standing allies and close ties, and now, he's stepping on the toes of the military.
Maybe unlikely, but the fact i'm even thinking about that as a possibility, shows how destructive his short reign has been and the effect it's having on global politics and the economy.
Can't imagine the heads of the military would be all too stoked with the closer alignment with long time adversaries either.
quadzilla wrote:Confusion wrote:@ flolo said “ come 2028 no one will remember any of this “ including your post !
hey JeffY, when ya guna bring back my MAGA T shirt and Cap?...ya had it for a while now, wearing it to the surf school to impress the young chicks.
Btw, hows that beginner pool at urbanSurf going for you...is it better than that unpredictable ocean?
Yeah the beginner pool at Urban Surf is great,
But I think the beginner pool in Dubai is
better, Why were you thinking about giving it a go ?
I have a relly who is a conservative politics writer/commentator/lecturer. This arvo we had a chat about some of the current theories about trump's master economic plan. He had no particularly negative views on Trump till the Zelenskyy thing, and now he's just appalled daily. He let out a sigh at one point during our chat and said that he thinks everyone is massively overestimating Trump's capacity, that Trump bluffed his way adequately though relatively unsuccessfully through corporate real estate, but this shit is well beyond him.. he ended saying 'if you look at a spider having a fit for long enough, I'm sure you can convince yourself that you understand what it's trying to do.'
which I though was just wonderful.
Moonah wrote:indo-dreaming wrote:Roadkill wrote:A Salty Dog wrote:indo-dreaming wrote:green room wrote:The gigantic US asset price everything bubble, pumped up by crazy, outta-control Democrat-backed government spending and debt, just got busted wide open.
The Dems turned the stock market, housing prices, crypto—everything—into a monster pump-and-dump Ponzi scam with all that government dough and borrowing, pushing the US right to the edge of an economic and financial collapse.
The US is staring down a do-or-die moment. It’s this close to a total economic and financial failure, thanks to the Democrats’ wild spending and debt addiction, plus jacked-up global trade deals that keep the US bleeding cash with long-term, unsustainable trade deficits.
No way it could keep rollin’ like this forever. The longer it went on, the more painful the cure.
It was either let the US as we know it crash and burn, or pull back on the government debt and trade gaps.
Trump’s stepping up to save the day.
The Dems were basically committing big-time treason, and they need to pay for it.
100% agree.
You two should try and make contact with reality.
It’s like the economic illiterate leading the economic illiterate
Roadkill wrote:It’s just so very obvious that Trump has NFI and is making it up as he goes and is enabled by morons, and supported by gullible clowns and cheered on by people with very little knowledge of financial/economic outcomes.
Roadkill wrote:Optimist wrote:Be interesting to see where all the stock market investment money ends up after the fire sale.
Could it be moving away from companies that have invested in manufacturing in China ( nearly everyone) and into new American manufacturing startups.
The factories are still all there….and so now is the money….just need renovating and re visioning…..even the unions are all on trumps side.
The people need to believe in themselves again and work through the painful bit.
They were about to go under big time and can’t keep living on the brink of total economic government shutdown at least once a year.
Like it or not….painful or not….outrageous or not ….something had to give.Wow. I never thought SN would have someone dumber in basic economics than Indo.
Go to the top of the class, Opti.By all means have your say but can you please fuck off with the condescending bullshit!
Look dude nobody really knows if trumps plan will work or not, you are going to get all kinds of views and opinions even from so called experts and even these so called expert's are wrong a lot of the time, great example was all these experts saying Covid was going to see a recession and the housing market collapse and then the exact opposite happened with housing prices going crazy.
But to say Trump has no plan and is making it up as he goes is just complete bullshit, you are just blinded by your bad case of Trump derangement syndrome.
He clearly has a plan that takes in many different aspects not just the economy, but a bigger picture of USA and it's relationship to the rest of the world, but again will that plan work, look we will have to wait and see.
BTW. Yeah i only have a basic understanding of economics, but i do know that shit you support like catching fish in one country and sending it to another to be processed only to be sent back to the country caught in to be sold, is just plain fucking stupid and could be prevented with basic targeted tariffs, and i also know that the course that the USA and other Western countries are on of racking up huge debt and spending more than they gain in tax revenue is stupid, or that relying on China for so much things including things we cant go without especially in a time of war, while also saying we might get involved in a war with China one day is also stupid.
The cretin who pays out on someone for their “shitty” taxi driver job has a go at someone for being condescending…..
Go play on the freeway oxygen thief……
Mate i dont know who you are, i expect either a doubled up profile or some serial pest like Facto, but all you ever seem to do is troll me.
So how about you fuck right off back into your hole.
southernraw wrote:Can't imagine the heads of the military would be all too stoked with the closer alignment with long time adversaries either.
It way more complicated than that USA doesn't want to push Russia further into China or Iran's arms either.
Indo, maybe Moonah isnt a double account. Is it not possible that Trump simping genocide lovers can encourage former lurkers out to throw some stones?
Indo is correct….Previous U.S. Govts have bound Russia up so tight financially that they are dealing with people they have no respect for or go flat broke.
It’s a desperate situation for them so they go where they have to to get money.
Trump understands this and my guess is he’s trying to leverage them away from China and Iran.
The problem Russia has is that if trump goes and the democrats get back in the whole war machine re starts again……..there's money in guns and fear.
Russians have no interest in war…..they are just people like everyone else…
The only reason Putin survives is that Russians don’t want to be like the mixed up west…..hence their tolerance of him…..just another czar….
What the world needs is a Trump free day once a month, so people can get back to enjoying life without this angry clueless idiot ramming his crap down our throats 24/7.
Life was a lot happier before this smug, ego driven clown came along.
full circle @Opti.. (@VJ's queries always rise.. it is an interesting one).
https://www.swellnet.com/comment/993607
page 183/184 of US(!) thread.. some great wax24 and adam12 back then..
flollo wrote:adam12 wrote:@VJ asked "why are all conservatives pro-Russia? "
Great question.
Why?
Maybe not all the GOP, but it's had me puzzled since Trump won the first time.
Maybe some of our resident conservatives can enlighten us.
@Indo??
Maybe @Sypkan? (not a conservative, but cluey about such things)Strong religious stream in the Republican Party can’t be ignored. To some, Putin is a strong Christian fighter who defeated sickening woke, lgbtq and other promiscuous (whatever that might be) powers. I don’t think that people fully understand how extremely religious some of these politicians are.
old-dog wrote:What the world needs is a Trump free day once a month, so people can get back to enjoying life without this angry clueless idiot ramming his crap down our throats 24/7.
Life was a lot happier before this smug, ego driven clown came along.
haha. I try to have five of those a week @olddoggy.
Gotta keep perspective on things.
Trumpy isn't living in my closet and he sure aint gonna jump out from behind a tree on my way to the surf.
Hell of a nutjob though. That's for sure! Hope lifes good mate.
indo-dreaming wrote:Roadkill wrote:A Salty Dog wrote:indo-dreaming wrote:green room wrote:The gigantic US asset price everything bubble, pumped up by crazy, outta-control Democrat-backed government spending and debt, just got busted wide open.
The Dems turned the stock market, housing prices, crypto—everything—into a monster pump-and-dump Ponzi scam with all that government dough and borrowing, pushing the US right to the edge of an economic and financial collapse.
The US is staring down a do-or-die moment. It’s this close to a total economic and financial failure, thanks to the Democrats’ wild spending and debt addiction, plus jacked-up global trade deals that keep the US bleeding cash with long-term, unsustainable trade deficits.
No way it could keep rollin’ like this forever. The longer it went on, the more painful the cure.
It was either let the US as we know it crash and burn, or pull back on the government debt and trade gaps.
Trump’s stepping up to save the day.
The Dems were basically committing big-time treason, and they need to pay for it.
100% agree.
You two should try and make contact with reality.
It’s like the economic illiterate leading the economic illiterate
Roadkill wrote:It’s just so very obvious that Trump has NFI and is making it up as he goes and is enabled by morons, and supported by gullible clowns and cheered on by people with very little knowledge of financial/economic outcomes.
Roadkill wrote:Optimist wrote:Be interesting to see where all the stock market investment money ends up after the fire sale.
Could it be moving away from companies that have invested in manufacturing in China ( nearly everyone) and into new American manufacturing startups.
The factories are still all there….and so now is the money….just need renovating and re visioning…..even the unions are all on trumps side.
The people need to believe in themselves again and work through the painful bit.
They were about to go under big time and can’t keep living on the brink of total economic government shutdown at least once a year.
Like it or not….painful or not….outrageous or not ….something had to give.Wow. I never thought SN would have someone dumber in basic economics than Indo.
Go to the top of the class, Opti.By all means have your say but can you please fuck off with the condescending bullshit!
Look dude nobody really knows if trumps plan will work or not, you are going to get all kinds of views and opinions even from so called experts and even these so called expert's are wrong a lot of the time, great example was all these experts saying Covid was going to see a recession and the housing market collapse and then the exact opposite happened with housing prices going crazy.
But to say Trump has no plan and is making it up as he goes is just complete bullshit, you are just blinded by your bad case of Trump derangement syndrome.
He clearly has a plan that takes in many different aspects not just the economy, but a bigger picture of USA and it's relationship to the rest of the world, but again will that plan work, look we will have to wait and see.
BTW. Yeah i only have a basic understanding of economics, but i do know that shit you support like catching fish in one country and sending it to another to be processed only to be sent back to the country caught in to be sold, is just plain fucking stupid and could be prevented with basic targeted tariffs, and i also know that the course that the USA and other Western countries are on of racking up huge debt and spending more than they gain in tax revenue is stupid, or that relying on China for so much things including things we cant go without especially in a time of war, while also saying we might get involved in a war with China one day is also stupid.
Indo, you really don’t know your limitations.
The irony in you saying ….“ But to say Trump has no plan and is making it up as he goes is just complete bullshit, you are just blinded by your bad case of Trump derangement syndrome.”…….is hilarious. You are so blinded and convinced the resuurch you carry out on youtube gives you insight into what Trump is doing.
I agree with you here… “Yeah i only have a basic understanding of economics” your basic knowledge is very very basic.
“ but i do know that shit you support like catching fish in one country and sending it to another to be processed only to be sent back to the country caught in to be sold, is just plain fucking stupid and could be prevented with basic targeted tariffs”
How could tariffs prevent this? Prevent what? Do you have any idea what you are talking about?
Ps..Lobsters aren’t fish.
southernraw wrote:old-dog wrote:What the world needs is a Trump free day once a month, so people can get back to enjoying life without this angry clueless idiot ramming his crap down our throats 24/7.
Life was a lot happier before this smug, ego driven clown came along.haha. I try to have five of those a week @olddoggy.
Gotta keep perspective on things.
Trumpy isn't living in my closet and he sure aint gonna jump out from behind a tree on my way to the surf.
Hell of a nutjob though. That's for sure! Hope lifes good mate.
Have to agree, I only watch YouTube for interest sake, but if I’m not look’ing at politics , it’s not on my mind at all.
Too many other things to appreciate.
Roadkill wrote:indo-dreaming wrote:Roadkill wrote:A Salty Dog wrote:indo-dreaming wrote:green room wrote:The gigantic US asset price everything bubble, pumped up by crazy, outta-control Democrat-backed government spending and debt, just got busted wide open.
The Dems turned the stock market, housing prices, crypto—everything—into a monster pump-and-dump Ponzi scam with all that government dough and borrowing, pushing the US right to the edge of an economic and financial collapse.
The US is staring down a do-or-die moment. It’s this close to a total economic and financial failure, thanks to the Democrats’ wild spending and debt addiction, plus jacked-up global trade deals that keep the US bleeding cash with long-term, unsustainable trade deficits.
No way it could keep rollin’ like this forever. The longer it went on, the more painful the cure.
It was either let the US as we know it crash and burn, or pull back on the government debt and trade gaps.
Trump’s stepping up to save the day.
The Dems were basically committing big-time treason, and they need to pay for it.
100% agree.
You two should try and make contact with reality.
It’s like the economic illiterate leading the economic illiterate
Roadkill wrote:It’s just so very obvious that Trump has NFI and is making it up as he goes and is enabled by morons, and supported by gullible clowns and cheered on by people with very little knowledge of financial/economic outcomes.
Roadkill wrote:Optimist wrote:Be interesting to see where all the stock market investment money ends up after the fire sale.
Could it be moving away from companies that have invested in manufacturing in China ( nearly everyone) and into new American manufacturing startups.
The factories are still all there….and so now is the money….just need renovating and re visioning…..even the unions are all on trumps side.
The people need to believe in themselves again and work through the painful bit.
They were about to go under big time and can’t keep living on the brink of total economic government shutdown at least once a year.
Like it or not….painful or not….outrageous or not ….something had to give.Wow. I never thought SN would have someone dumber in basic economics than Indo.
Go to the top of the class, Opti.By all means have your say but can you please fuck off with the condescending bullshit!
Look dude nobody really knows if trumps plan will work or not, you are going to get all kinds of views and opinions even from so called experts and even these so called expert's are wrong a lot of the time, great example was all these experts saying Covid was going to see a recession and the housing market collapse and then the exact opposite happened with housing prices going crazy.
But to say Trump has no plan and is making it up as he goes is just complete bullshit, you are just blinded by your bad case of Trump derangement syndrome.
He clearly has a plan that takes in many different aspects not just the economy, but a bigger picture of USA and it's relationship to the rest of the world, but again will that plan work, look we will have to wait and see.
BTW. Yeah i only have a basic understanding of economics, but i do know that shit you support like catching fish in one country and sending it to another to be processed only to be sent back to the country caught in to be sold, is just plain fucking stupid and could be prevented with basic targeted tariffs, and i also know that the course that the USA and other Western countries are on of racking up huge debt and spending more than they gain in tax revenue is stupid, or that relying on China for so much things including things we cant go without especially in a time of war, while also saying we might get involved in a war with China one day is also stupid.
Indo, you really don’t know your limitations.
The irony in you saying ….“ But to say Trump has no plan and is making it up as he goes is just complete bullshit, you are just blinded by your bad case of Trump derangement syndrome.”…….is hilarious. You are so blinded and convinced the resuurch you carry out on youtube gives you insight into what Trump is doing.
I agree with you here… “Yeah i only have a basic understanding of economics” your basic knowledge is very very basic.
“ but i do know that shit you support like catching fish in one country and sending it to another to be processed only to be sent back to the country caught in to be sold, is just plain fucking stupid and could be prevented with basic targeted tariffs”
How could tariffs prevent this? Prevent what? Do you have any idea what you are talking about?
I think old @indo outed himself out pretty badly the other day when he said he 'just posts things for a reaction'.
There's no real beliefs in place. Just posts divisive shit for attention and then tries to debate with illogical cow dung to keep the attention coming....to feed the beast so to speak.
He really missed a golden opportunity with @adam12s very kind offer. But i can't imagine that sorta thing would mean much. That's a different world.
I wouldn't take anything our mate @indo says as anything of validity or substance. It's all just for his own little shits and giggles.
Fair play indo, fair play. It and the swellnet forums have sustained your appetite for confrontation and attention for well over 10 years now. That's something...ish......
Optimist wrote:Indo is correct….Previous U.S. Govts have bound Russia up so tight financially that they are dealing with people they have no respect for or go flat broke.
It’s a desperate situation for them so they go where they have to to get money.
Trump understands this and my guess is he’s trying to leverage them away from China and Iran.
The problem Russia has is that if trump goes and the democrats get back in the whole war machine re starts again……..there's money in guns and fear.
Russians have no interest in war…..they are just people like everyone else…
The only reason Putin survives is that Russians don’t want to be like the mixed up west…..hence their tolerance of him…..just another czar….
. Perhaps more pointedly when I read this ^^ I was thinking of the Palestinians and how tightly they have wound up by Israel and the US and who do they turn to?
Geopolitics from Opti.
Great analysis and 2 months late.
Also ‘the war machine’ BS again.
Who’s bombed Yemen daily for almost a month now and is shifting significant amounts of assets into the Middle East (CENTRAL COMMAND - CENTCOM) to set up for strikes on Iran?
Or is that not a war machine? Because it’s Iran? Right?
‘Russians have no interest in war’ - yawn. They do, just ask Georgians, Chechens, Ukrainians - pretty much any of their neighbours.
@ optimistic wrote “ the only reason Putin survives is that Russians don’t want to be like the mixed up West … hence their tolerance of him “
Other
I think Defat might have other reasons why Putin survives .
Australian Government.
Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade.
“Australia is aware that Russia held
Presidential elections between
March 15 and 17 2024 .
These elections were not free , fair ,
inclusive or credible.
They took place in the context of the
Russian government’s long term crackdown
on the freedom of opinion and expression ,
and on opposition figures , civil society ,
Independent journalists, human rights defenders , and anti-war voices.
Australia remains deeply concerned about the deliberate exclusion of genuine opposition candidates , lack of credible observers and evidence of fraud and corruption. “ etc
@SR
Can you please not miss quote me, i didnt say that at all,(see page 240 5th post from the top) and you are talking nonsense, and yes i saw and ignored your post in the AFL thread trying to stir up shit, im not interested.
@RK
Hate Trump all you like, but the guy is very strategic, he didn't become president again just by chance, he has some plan or strategy in place.
Again im not saying whatever he is doing is going to work, nobody really knows.
But i am interested in trying to understand what it is and listening to those that are much smarter than any of us here explaining what his strategy might be.
There is quite a few decent videos giving their take's now.
If you dont want to watch the whole video watch from 7:50 onwards (before that it was mostly just looking at how the Tariffs are calculated)
I have a friend and coworker. He is MAGA. He started down the rabbit hole. Years ago. With conspiracy theories. Mild ones, relative to today's. You know... who really killed Kennedy, what is going on with UFOs and aliens, Bigfoot/Yeti, and such.
He caught a cold last week. This cold is stubborn. He called out a coupla days last week and now again this week.
I stopped by to see if there is anything he needs on my way to work tonite.
He was frothing mad. Mad at the hospital. You see, the main result of these 12 or so years of his rabbit holing is that he is easy to anger. Another result is that he blames EVERYTHING on authority.
So he is mad at the hospital. For giving him this cold. (Hospitals, as we know, are rife with viruses and a great place to catch a cold.)
He told me that if the cold doesn't go away... HE IS GONNA QUIT!!! (Said with caps and exclamation point to capture the way he angrily spit those words out.
Guy catches a cold. Leads him to an anti-authority rant. Might quit. And what, live outta his car?
The level of childishness is astonishing. How is gonna live a good life this way?
Truth be told... he has always been anti authority and a bit of a mal content. The rabbit hole served as a place for him to link up with like minded folk. Group home kids who wanna burn the house down. Yes, he feels "left behind" by globalisation. Yes, that is a genuine emotion, given reality. But he has been radicalized now. All his individualistic, anti authority instincts have been turbo charged. He cannot catch a cold without an extreme response.
This is an anecdote, and does not represent all the reasons why we are stuck with this orange clown. But, i believe this... exactly this.... has played itself out in millions of homes across the nation.
And this is why i said in a post a page or three back that there are gonna be a LARGE amount of fellow citizens in need of reprogramming. Or therapy, at least. How is my friend gonna reckon with himself as this plays out? How's that gonna look en masse?
The thing i hate about that personality profile (The Malcontent) is the appalling lack of perspective and gratitude that it requires. There are folks in the US who are truly suffering and in extreme poverty. The last coupla generations of leadership HAVE failed us. (That is Left AND Right, assholes.) But, most of the malcontents that i know are doing alright. There are folks in the world who hafta dodge crocodiles on riverbanks to get water to bathe and cook and drink, FFS. I have done just fine being born a Seppo. Haven't dodged a croc yet. Do i wish i was beautiful and rich? Def. Am i gonna throw all my toys out the cot cuz i am not? Should i look for someone to blame? I told that friend of mine a few years back that the American Electorate was very childish. He threw a fit, of course.
Gratitude and Humility. Throw THOSE things at politics (and most everything else.)
Sometimes it is a lack of education. More often, it is something else.
wax24 wrote:Sometimes it is a lack of education. More often, it is something else.
Looks like you’re struggling for answers there @Wax
It’s probably a lot of reasons, but if Trump is the Heroic , conman , saviour, persuasive, cult leader, he can’t last forever, and a lot of deprogramming might happen after he has gone,
Anyone thinking Trump had a well thought out plan must be seriously brainwashed, and damage control needs to be undertaken until Trump has departed.
indo-dreaming wrote:@SR
Can you please not miss quote me, i didnt say that at all,(see page 240 5th post from the top) and you are talking nonsense, and yes i saw and ignored your post in the AFL thread trying to stir up shit, im not interested.
Haha dont worry Indo. Im not hating on you as u perceive. Just highlighting your motivations which are pretty obvious, "quotes" or not. Its your life man. Some get tangled in your web. Been there. Probably more a reflection if where we're at than you. Go well brave forum soldier.
Dunno if this is legit or not. I’m inclined to say it is. 1996. On the cusp, I suppose, of neoliberalism going into bipartisan hyperdrive. Donald Pelosi, or Nancy Trump, if you like, expounding on tariffs and trade. At the very least, puts into sharp focus how the conception of ‘left’ has changed over the ensuing years, and how the values of the Democratic Party have shifted.
?si=9qJcnZQOxtoQSYrU So MAGA will be paying more for supporting Trump , that’s actually pretty funny .
indo-dreaming wrote:@RK
Hate Trump all you like, but the guy is very strategic, he didn't become president again just by chance, he has some plan or strategy in place.
Again im not saying whatever he is doing is going to work, nobody really knows.
But i am interested in trying to understand what it is and listening to those that are much smarter than any of us here explaining what his strategy might be.
The problem with this angle is that there are 40+ of his previous admin, many of whom are VERY smart people, who have been clear that he doesn’t really operate to a strategy, he’s impulsive, responds to stimulus not analysis, and ultimately is not that smart. He’s cunning and ruthless. But, believe what you want Indo.
You are right, @wax, and I'm sorry for the societal implications.. who knows how that unravelling of tightly wound string will play out.. generational that stuff..
too true @etarip, I think every normal person is concerned. What astounds me is there's people calling the concerned people 'haters'. There is certainly a cult of something going on : /
the US won't be able to make meaningful deals with the world anymore. Gone.
Or exert the west's influence on the rest of the world. Finished.
The disintegration of worldwide trust; America's greatest asset turned to dust.
All global interaction reduced to simple financial and asset transactions.
No morals, no ethics, no greater-good.
No higher ambitions.
That 'idea' is over.
It's a reset to pre Pearl Harbor, like the last 80 years never happened.
But of course, the last 80 years did happen, the USA invented neo-liberal globilisation
and encouraged astonishing levels of world trade through rampant capitalism.
And the US enjoyed its role as global bossman and got very, very high on it.
And happily nursed a high dollar, making exerting political control cheap.
And making imported stuff cheap relative to their pumped up buck.
And as a consequence there are now financially woken sleeping-giants all over.
with an ever growing middle-class with lotsa views about their world.
Donald has been mumbling 'tariff' for 40 years.
There is nothing strategic, clever or timely. Nothing.
It is a weird feller with some ideas about things,
affecting absolutely everything in the world.
That may randomly pan out or not. Lottery.
America is doing very, very well. They are rich as hell, the reason there are poor people is because of the widening rich/poor divide.
If people like @wax24, @mick66 and @esco are concerned from within the very place that is meant to have an impending cultural payoff for the global disruption.. I AM FUCKED if we should be called 'haters' for thinking there's cause for concern. Trump is one of the oddest ducks in megalomaniac history.
Four years of being told there is a plan and we should just shut up and wait for the USA's divine rapture..?
Haha, what manner of strange alt-dimension wizardry is that... what poof of orange glamor dust enshrouds those people?
wax24 wrote:Sometimes it is a lack of education. More often, it is something else.
Have you read Fantasyland: How America Went Haywire?
The author has some pretty interesting theories that go all the way back to the early settlers. Definitely worth a read.
etarip wrote:Geopolitics from Opti.
Great analysis and 2 months late.
Also ‘the war machine’ BS again.Who’s bombed Yemen daily for almost a month now and is shifting significant amounts of assets into the Middle East (CENTRAL COMMAND - CENTCOM) to set up for strikes on Iran?
Or is that not a war machine? Because it’s Iran? Right?
‘Russians have no interest in war’ - yawn. They do, just ask Georgians, Chechens, Ukrainians - pretty much any of their neighbours.
Good points @etarip, and the world should never forget Russia’s role in the genocide in Syria, where Putin perfected the dark art of bombing civilians that he has since used in the conflicts you mentioned. Of course the US and its local allies have no moral high ground in the region … the Gulf wars and direct/indirect support of Israel.
Good morning (AU) @wax24, hoping you are continuing on your way back to full health. Your posts are always appreciated, indeed your story of how your friend has checked out of reality is familiar. I had a friend who managed very large warehouses in AU and throughout SE Asia, great musician playing pubs and on early retirement years ago started watching Fox News, he was always opinionated to the point where he spoke over anyone he disagreed with but now it’s the anger, white hot, about everything. The thing is he is wealthy by most people’s standards so he hasn’t been left behind. Apparently he has no interest in anything these days except what he hears on Fox, no friends and his wife is ready to leave him!!
Septic Tanks are going to Septic Tank