Next Federal Election
Optimist wrote:Just finished watching Duttons speech.
I thought he covered everything really well….make sure you hear it.
A lot of vision for the future there unlike labor’s more of the same budget.
Cheap secure East coast gas supply, cheaper fuel, 25% reduction in migration,
Kids to use super to buy a house, millions into charities to help feed and home people…..law and order returned.
Big focus on the battlers and the poor…..things Labor used to care about
Duttons speech..…all visionary solutions to help everyone…..liked it….liked it a lot.
It’s everything I’ve been thinking and been concerned about.
Wow 25% reduction in migration thats a start.
Anyone know Labor's position?, i hope they match it, so either way we all win.
For me right now slowing population growth is a major issue, the increases we have had after covid are just insane, it's depressing.
How could anyone think that using super to buy a house is a good idea ? Seriously ? Optimist , I thought you wanted cheaper land deals , what happened to that idea ? How will spud make fuel cheaper ? Abolish government tax on it ? Then where’s the money coming from to build and maintain roads ? A new tax ? as if going EV , then a new tax has gotta come from somewhere , or maybe spud isn’t planning on going EV as he favours fossil fuels. Everyone on gas , is that his cheaper fuel plan ? I haven’t seen his speech can you post it please. Edit ……..
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Optimist wrote:Just finished watching Duttons speech.
I thought he covered everything really well….make sure you hear it.
A lot of vision for the future there unlike labor’s more of the same budget.
Cheap secure East coast gas supply, cheaper fuel, 25% reduction in migration,
Kids to use super to buy a house, millions into charities to help feed and home people…..law and order returned.
Big focus on the battlers and the poor…..things Labor used to care about
Duttons speech..…all visionary solutions to help everyone…..liked it….liked it a lot.
It’s everything I’ve been thinking and been concerned about.
Bread and circuses. Time to roll out the clowns
I said that what Dutton brought up I have been concerned about.
I hear nothing from Labor about the same issues that concern me.
It’s my vote and I’ll vote on what concerns me this time around.
I’ve voted Labor many times.
Britain and France have just committed soldiers to Ukraines forces.
Albo has put his hand up to send our “peacekeepers “ too.
He wants to be a globalist instead of a localist.
Chalmers now a globalist too it seems….he forgot about us and is building nothing but a few trinkets for the masses.
There was nearly a peace deal but now……more war….people have a thirst for it.
Vote for who you want it’s a free country.
I’m going for the answer of the big problems to me.
No Australian boots in Ukraine.
Gas secured for the east coast at a local price.
( it will be the future of motoring too)……Europe just proved CNG cars the greenest
A house better than a bank full of super money buying property for rich people.
Cheaper fuel for road trips and business…
Cheap baseload power over time.
Poor people looked after better through supporting organised charity.
Less migration until it’s balanced.
No change to Mediscare…..again…that one really was pathetic.
Murdoch, a cancer on democracy wherever it festers …
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2025/mar/28/a-mugs-game-murdoch-presss...
"Liberals" and "vision for the future" haven't gone together for a long time.
To be fair, when it comes to bribes , spud only takes them, he doesn’t necessarily pay them .
Supafreak wrote:Peter Reynolds wrote:Labor party taking credit for reduction in inflation is riiiiiiiiiiich, federal reserve did that with interest rates nothing to do with Labor's policies one bit.
Energy? You guys need to sack that idiot Chris Bowen, his hydrogen renewable scheme is getting embarrassing. The fact that you won't even entertain a conversation about nuclear is arrogant af, similar kind of attitude that sunk the Voice, can you tell me if Albo has even mentioned our ATSI peoples since losing the referendum? Taken his bat and ball and fucked off home, he has ended up doing nothing for our most marginalised, all talk, could of negotiated or compromised but no his fealty to his legacy was more important to him.
Labor has always thrown money at a problem, that's it. I will never forget the little ditty by Sarah Ferguson of the ABC before the last election cycle, whereby Labor was being accused of being light on policy, "Its not the oppositions job to come up with precise policy alternatives, it's their job to argue against the current government policy". Now the shoe is on the other foot, it's the Libs job to govern for the Labor party?So Mr Reynolds , what LNP policies are you attracted to ? There’s an election coming up , do they have any particular policies that you see as getting them over the line ? Or is spud simply a dud ?
Well supafreak, it's probably a case of what policies I dislike more than the other. I certainly dislike the hiring of an extra 36000 public servants, I'm sure you've seen the classic 8 council workers standing around a hole with 1 bloke working? That's what is happening with big government only inside an office, I've brushed shoulders with the public system and the exact same job in the private sector does 2 to 3 times the work. Labor is the party of big government and spud has promised to immediately sack 40000 of them, if he's successful in winning and does that he will also go down in history as a one term PM, like Newman in Qld, once pandora's box has been opened you can't put these public servants anywhere else.
In terms of energy policy, we can't really have an informed debate about it, there's too much emotion from your side of politics, I would implore you to read a book called Freakanomics, there's a chapter in there about climate change and more importantly the degree of human driven climate change, according to these people, the climate is most definitely changing but how much humans are contributing to it is very debatable. Your side simply believes humans are the cause and we must change our ways or perish, which underpins your entire push for renewable energy, our side doesn't completely believe humans are the majority cause of climate change, again please read Freakanomics. If our fundamental beliefs about a major issue are different we will come up with different ways to tackle it, we believe keeping coal and gas burning while we slowly transition a percentage of our grid to renewables is the way to go, you guys want to make a gender-type transition! throw the baby out with the bath water! Again I could retreat back to my side and find a hundred scientists that will back me up and you could do exactly the same, it's what your selling to the australian people that will matter if they vote for you.
Unfortunately both you and I will be long dead before either one of us can say 'told you so', so until then its all politics. I think Dutton has done a reasonable job in becoming a leader for our party, I won't bite if you start talking about BS like his property portfolio and crap like that.
By all means return serve mate
Ok Peter...lets break it down.
'Well supafreak, it's probably a case of what policies I dislike more than the other. I certainly dislike the hiring of an extra 36000 public servants, I'm sure you've seen the classic 8 council workers standing around a hole with 1 bloke working? "
These public servants work for you without a profit motive, so sure sack them all. Privatise their jobs, watch costs increase and service decrease. That's what happens. Thats what has happened under the Libs. So the rest of your diatribe on this is provable bullshit.
'In terms of energy policy, we can't really have an informed debate about it, there's too much emotion from your side of politics,"
What happened to the NEG..........Remember Morrisons Covid Gas powered recovery lead by an unelected Nev Powers. All liberal talking points and actions. Dutts will do anything for Gina and wants to introduce nuclear that'll supply an extremely costly solution in 10/15 years. How many chances are you going to give them Peter? Gina is a climate denier and you want to talk about emotional responses or the paid for opinions of Dutton. Ha!
He's not a leader for you or me mate. He's a stooge for vested interests. He even told the mining industry that's what he was. Facts
Bit scattered as Im in a hurry but theres my return serve.
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@ Peter Reynolds , you don’t think that 200 years or so of industrialisation and the burning of fossil fuels. ,would have a much effect on the climate as some other natural phenomena, which usually takes thousands of years to make a change?
I don’t know where your scientists got their education?
"Wow 25% reduction in migration thats a start.
Anyone know Labor's position?, i hope they match it, so either way we all win.
For me right now slowing population growth is a major issue, the increases we have had after covid are just insane, it's depressing."
25% reduction of what?
the reasonably sensible 300 000 average?
or the ridiculous close to 1 500 000 in 2 years under labor?
if it's the latter, dutton is weak as piss and pathetic
if it's the former, well fark me... I'd almost consider voting for the useless cunt...
anyway, most important is that we're talking about it
dutton has achieved that at least...
if only labor would at least talk about it... (without instantly deflecting to absolute bullshit and excuses) this is where people most feel burnt, labor flatly refuse to even talk about the issues...
it's pure gas lighting and bullshit
see exhibit A
https://x.com/BikoKonstantin1/status/1899070320692330729
the labor dude needs a face slap after such an inadequate response
the whole panel deserves a face slap and should be sacked for not fulfilling their duty of actually answering a question, on a show called qanda, especially joe hildabrand, that twit has made a living out of saying things others won't... and even he deflected to supply supply supply...
ignoring the bloody big elephant in the room
again...
we're sick of this game, and old mate in the vid's face says it all...
he didn't get his answer
but he got the exact answers he was expecting
again...
the (non) answers he knew he would get
it's just plain sad and pathetic at this point
soggydog wrote:Ok Peter...lets break it down.
'Well supafreak, it's probably a case of what policies I dislike more than the other. I certainly dislike the hiring of an extra 36000 public servants, I'm sure you've seen the classic 8 council workers standing around a hole with 1 bloke working? "
These public servants work for you without a profit motive, so sure sack them all. Privatise their jobs, watch costs increase and service decrease. That's what happens. Thats what has happened under the Libs. So the rest of your diatribe on this is provable bullshit.
'In terms of energy policy, we can't really have an informed debate about it, there's too much emotion from your side of politics,"
What happened to the NEG..........Remember Morrisons Covid Gas powered recovery lead by an unelected Nev Powers. All liberal talking points and actions. Dutts will do anything for Gina and wants to introduce nuclear that'll supply an extremely costly solution in 10/15 years. How many chances are you going to give them Peter? Gina is a climate denier and you want to talk about emotional responses or the paid for opinions of Dutton. Ha!He's not a leader for you or me mate. He's a stooge for vested interests. He even told the mining industry that's what he was. Facts
Bit scattered as Im in a hurry but theres my return serve.
'
You made me laugh soggy! Your first line "These public servants work...." my tea came out my nose when I read that!
Nah lets keep this cordial shall we, here's the deal soggy you keep your emotions in check and I'll keep my sarcasm to a minimum. Where were you going when talking about the national energy guarantee? It sounded like a great idea from memory however Scomo lost the election, ole Neville avoided the clink from his helicopter joyride but I fail to see your point in bringing this up, can you explain please?
Your argument against nuclear is what? It won't be available for 10-15 years? I'm no fortune teller but I'm guessing humans have a lot longer than 10-15 years on this planet (sorry sarcasm again)
That's about all the meat I can chew off that bone soggy,
now there's a good look @Pete. PLEASE tell me you're not a cardio-silver-spooner! In a climate where US swellneters are abhorred by the cruelty, malice and economic rationalism sans empathy and dignity (a climate one might justifiably see as symptomatic of a society with an entrenched economic caste system, and a widening chasm between the powerful and the powerless - pick an example from rome onwards.. societally more the norm than the exception). At least @indo seems an addle-headed schmuck like the rest of us. Sincerely hope you have a backstory with a bit o' grit.. and some tales that happen outside of consulting rooms mit political surveillance.
sypkan wrote:"Wow 25% reduction in migration thats a start.
Anyone know Labor's position?, i hope they match it, so either way we all win.
For me right now slowing population growth is a major issue, the increases we have had after covid are just insane, it's depressing."
25% reduction of what?
the reasonably sensible 300 000 average?
or the ridiculous close to 1 500 000 in 2 years under labor?
if it's the latter, dutton is weak as piss and pathetic
if it's the former, well fark me... I'd almost consider voting for the useless cunt...
anyway, most important is that we're talking about it
dutton has achieved that at least...
if only labor would at least talk about it... (without instantly deflecting to absolute bullshit and excuses) this is where people most feel burnt, labor flatly refuse to even talk about the issues...
it's pure gas lighting and bullshit
see exhibit A
https://x.com/BikoKonstantin1/status/1899070320692330729
the labor dude needs a face slap after such an inadequate response
the whole panel deserves a face slap and should be sacked for not fulfilling their duty of actually answering a question, on a show called qanda, especially joe hildabrand, that twit has made a living out of saying things others won't... and even he deflected to supply supply supply...
ignoring the bloody big elephant in the room
again...
we're sick of this game, and old mate in the vid's face says it all...
he didn't get his answer
but he got the exact answers he was expecting
again...
the (non) answers he knew he would get
it's just plain sad and pathetic at this point
Doesn't even seem to be any recent reporting on the issue, i hope it blow's up as an election issue though, any reeducation is a good thing.
Mr Reynolds , would you like to see companies like PwC replace public servants ? How did they go last time ? Do a good job for the Australian taxpayer did they ? Or was it a case of looking after the multinationals . Bit of greasing of palms and back scratching . https://theconversation.com/how-australias-government-is-spending-less-o...
Liberals promise to reduce their own 2021/22 Oz record 277.64% Liberal Migration Spike...Wow!
March 2021 > return of Electoral Writs end of June 2022 records highest Oz Migration spike on Record.
Allow extra record delay for Dutto to appoint himself [L] Leader...before Albo could call first sitting!
During this caretaker period the Libs raced thru record Gold Pass Chinese Migration as they do...Correct! Yes!
Come on in everyone...hurry up...just throw the money in the kitty...we're not that stupid!
https://www.aec.gov.au/media/2022/06-24.htm
No other party / Govt or period can match Liberal's Oz record Migrant influx
Please all feel free to check on Lib's Record Migration Spike...
It's pretty fucking easy to see...a child can review this data!
https://www.abs.gov.au/media-centre/media-releases/annual-net-overseas-m...
New ALP Govt stemmed the tide @ next 1/4 Sept 2022 to 76.99% rise to Sept 2023 peak then recover...
Anyone can clearly see ALP reduce record Liberal migration curve on Graph...Please all check that...
All agree only Dutto fails to see his "record 277.64% Liberal migration rate" being reduced by Albo.
ABS [Factcheck] "Liberals hold record migration rate" over exact same 457 day side by side cycle.
+ Dutto rorted his Euro Nanny + Chinese Gold Tickets...
Dutto now claims he's a hero by campaigning to lower his own record Liberal Migration rate rise...
He also contrives figures by pinning Liberal's Rapid record Migrant ramp onto Albo's correcting total!
Fact...Albo never started no Migration Ramp > he clearly rode it out & back down as graph shows.
Dutto dumped his record rate onto Albo's lap...but never thanks Albo for lowering record Lib migration.
Nor does [L] media darlings ever once correct the record Migration ramp belonging to Liberals.
Can do this easy as here...takes all of half a minute...Media choose to pin [L] hot mess onto Albo!
Dutto claims this Liberal Govt record Migration Rate > fucked up the economy...so be it...
Whether it did or not is up to him or crew to argue...it don't change the fact that Lib's clearly own it.
Again read the graph ...see the slope of Spike Skyrocketing under Liberal > lowering under Albo.
Then why would Liberal Voters vote Liberal for fucking up the economy...
tbb suggests Liberal voters to ignore Dutto's lies & think of an actual legitimate reason to Vote Liberal
If ya want more Migration then Vote #1 Liberal Champions of Record Oz Migration Rate...
It's that simple...
If ya want another Record Liberal Migration rate mopped up...
Then vote for ALP as they did a shit hot job lowering Liberal's record Migration...it's that clear'n'simple...
Please just shut the fuck up about blaming others for another Liberal Hot Mess...we're sick of it...
Only an imbecile believes Dutto's lies...
By repeating his Migration Lies just makes any Lib voters look more desperate & stupid .
Just own yer Hot mess > Suck it up...Ya fucked up on Record Migration...big deal...Don't blame Albo!
...coz little kids can read graphs and call BS on Dutto's pathetically lazy buck pass!
Albo clearly lowered Liberal's Record Migration Spike & still lowering as tbb types...Data shows this!
Just Apologize > Grow a brain & get on with rorting other shit...nothing to see here but a win for Albo!
Nice post TBB , anyone that believes anything spud the dud says needs to give themselves an uppercut .
sypkan wrote:"Wow 25% reduction in migration thats a start.
Anyone know Labor's position?, i hope they match it, so either way we all win.
For me right now slowing population growth is a major issue, the increases we have had after covid are just insane, it's depressing."
25% reduction of what?
the reasonably sensible 300 000 average?
or the ridiculous close to 1 500 000 in 2 years under labor?
if it's the latter, dutton is weak as piss and pathetic
if it's the former, well fark me... I'd almost consider voting for the useless cunt...
anyway, most important is that we're talking about it
dutton has achieved that at least...
if only labor would at least talk about it... (without instantly deflecting to absolute bullshit and excuses) this is where people most feel burnt, labor flatly refuse to even talk about the issues...
it's pure gas lighting and bullshit
see exhibit A
https://x.com/BikoKonstantin1/status/1899070320692330729
the labor dude needs a face slap after such an inadequate response
the whole panel deserves a face slap and should be sacked for not fulfilling their duty of actually answering a question, on a show called qanda, especially joe hildabrand, that twit has made a living out of saying things others won't... and even he deflected to supply supply supply...
ignoring the bloody big elephant in the room
again...
we're sick of this game, and old mate in the vid's face says it all...
he didn't get his answer
but he got the exact answers he was expecting
again...
the (non) answers he knew he would get
it's just plain sad and pathetic at this point
I hope you didn’t throw your stubby at the screen?
basesix wrote:In my experience, it's people carrying on about 'australian culture' that are fucking annoying and stupid, and look like scared little pinheads when faced with an unfamiliar/ robust cultural experience, and realise their idea of culture is owning an esky and a ute; giving their kid a pissy 18th; giving themself a pissy Jan 26th; and getting sad when they hear 'how to make gravy'.
B6 I'd urge you to not fear or discriminate against any one culture; value all equally. Every one is important and has real good and is worth preserving. I can say that after seeing many cultures, believe that or not.
heya @VJ : ) thank you, fine words. My culture is robust. My culture has traversed continents, made mistakes, has evolved and is still evolving. My culture is not trapped and stagnant. Mine is now a new culture. I know my culture and am proud of it. I want to learn about others' cultures if they'd like to share it. Especially fellow Strayans with non Scottish/Yorkshire backgrounds. What my culture has become to me is not some piss-weak culture than can be bent, broken, usurped or shadily repurposed. I have no fear of others' cultures. None. If I think something important is being lost, I find it and show others.
I hope everyone feels the same way about their culture.
No fear here. Nice post.
I finished Ludwig @blackers.. it's up there..
love it when the UK panel show set find good acting grooves.
The cultureless, culture of an
Unspecified Culture!
May 3 election called.
And here is the Dutton budget reply speech.
basesix wrote:heya @VJ : ) thank you, fine words. My culture is robust. My culture has traversed continents, made mistakes, has evolved and is still evolving. My culture is not trapped and stagnant. Mine is now a new culture. I know my culture and am proud of it. I want to learn about others' cultures if they'd like to share it. Especially fellow Strayans with non Scottish/Yorkshire backgrounds. What my culture has become to me is not some piss-weak culture than can be bent, broken, usurped or shadily repurposed. I have no fear of others' cultures. None. If I think something important is being lost, I find it and show others.
I hope everyone feels the same way about their culture.
Great post, great intent, it contrasts with that quote of yours I put up just above quite markedly though; makes that seem intolerant.
mm, as an engaged human, I deplore the looseness with which people waste and take for granted their own cultural heritage and then complain about losing their culture to other cultures.. there's no net win in that.
..except to telly, maybe.
tbb owes an apology...don't mean to be anti Liberal this or that...
Plenty of cool Lib voters here with brilliant campaign comments & tbb will throw them a bone...
Here's a Lib policy that was instantly panned but tbb held fire...coz...
Coz tbb recently shared > Record Car/Caravan/Truck/Boat sales flying under the radar...
https://www.carsales.com.au/editorial/details/record-new-car-sales-for-2...
Only that's not entirely true...
Watch how Liberal Party policy impossibly extorts a #1 positive that ALP play down...
tbb feels ALP are playing down record Discretionary Spend on Vehicles / Ed /Health to sell handouts.
Cost of Living Crisis plays into ALP's ( Howard the Coward Middle Class Welfare handouts)
Also know Lib's are onto to these record sales and are about to exploit them...now that's clever...
Turning an ALP cost of living triumph into a winning [L] formula...Impossible to spin this?
tbb will reward such smarts that turn an unheralded #1 ALP [+] into a #1 [L] [+]
Ok! Now watch & learn how Libs walk right in and steal the baby outta the bath water!
Libs promise to Halve Fuel Excise...shaving 25c / litre off fuel bills...Again so what...Not such a big deal...
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-03-26/coalition-halve-fuel-excise-25-ce...
That's what the average punter is thinking...& also means nothing to isolating tbb...
Also record Youth Greens on CBD transport...so who or wot are [L] targeting...
But what if tbb shared a direct overlay to Hypnotize an essential Swing Basin of drooling Car Drivers!
This Fuel Excise policy rolls out federally to exploit record sales of Cars/Caravans/Trucks/Boats!
Again is that enough to turn an election where it matters most...
Well No! But this shit hot clever Overlay will blow yer tiny minds...
tbb knew it was on...so knew exactly where & exactly when to share (Today!)...are you ready for this...
Coz media know shit about it ...but us neutral fence sitter's are all over it...
The Vic ALP Red Wall + Vic ALP New Car Sales Yard = Vic [L] Fuel Excise Zombie Slaves.
Vic Fed Libs are exploiting State ALP fumbling of Transit Policy...Walk right in & steal the baby!
Now think how does a Qldurr non Voter sniff this out from a world away...coz it's on the money! Bingo!
Reckon a few Vic Faceless ones are in for a short sharp shock!
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-03-28/federal-election-seats-that-matte...
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-04-15/vehicle-car-ownership-registratio...
Don't ya just Love Back 2 Back ABC Overlay Maps that trip over the Holy Grail...Huh!
Please don't wake them up to the Elephant Walk in the Room...just humour them...
As said...tbb knew about this policy before Libs called it > Knew exactly where to look & when...Waiting!
It all makes sense if Albo is too up himself...Libs will scoop the Prize...
Faceless Ones will likely stumble onto this & Keating will blow his Top & go red faced...
How the fuck did you arsewipes manage to make me look stupid...in his own HQ Throne...Huh!
One of the same people people...Got it...(That's tbb's kinda sneaky [L] Policy) Salute!
Just saying to stick with us neutrals to out these electoral Campaign gems...hiding in plain sight!
Not voting for any but happy to share when a Political Party gets it right...
Ya see...News are selling this Policy as a Pup...but plenty of ALP swing Voters are licking their lips...
They see the Fuel Excise cut as a reward for their sound investment...they'll Vote for their smarts...Got it!
So tbb has no choice but to Box Tick a shit hot Lib Policy that all have declared dead in the water...
Happy to share...Liberals are giving the election some thought...not as dopey as Dutto makes out...Ok!
“ Culture is often learned, and not innate,
And can vary significantly across many different groups and regions.”
Hey Base6, thank you for everything. Keep the literary flame burning, will you?
ach, just snuffed it for the night : /
surf is good tommoz, but see you weekendside..
(I owe you an SS Oriana model photo, too : )
Happy Next Federal Election Countdown velocityjohnno...we kept the faith & did you proud!
Crew's Dedication to our man of the hour...
Cometh the Election Campaign cometh the velocityjohnno
We are not worthy...a Vote of confidence for our worn out corrupted Party Mix Tape!
Now that’s cheap price to pay
GuySmiley wrote:Now that’s cheap price to pay
And how much does labor receive from them?
As you can see both parties get their fair share
Here is the break down from previous year for perspective, as you can see that year at least they gave Labor more than LNP and Nats combined.
https://www.marketforces.org.au/politicaldonations2023/
BTW. I also didnt hear you complaining when all the big business including mining & fossil fuel companies threw millions at the Yes campaign receiving 5 times the amount as the No campaign.
"according to Australian Electoral Commission disclosures. ANZ bank ($2.54m), Woodside Energy ($2.182m), Commonwealth Bank ($2.05m) and Westpac ($2.048m) donated large sums as well. And Wesfarmers, BHP and Rio Tinto all donated $2m to yes campaign groups, while Woolworths tipped in $1.56m."
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2024/apr/02/voice-referendum-...
This is the loose unit of Lone Protesters crashing the live interviews...
Now that is an obvious AD...C'mon people...that's perfectly framed!
https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=975578358052924&set=a.415870970690335
https://www.facebook.com/risingtide.aus/videos/2355621768156794/
Think the media 9 / Sky News have a deal going with this mob...front and centre everytime...
Almost expect media are flick passing their [ID] To spike up their ratings...
Like Oh bummer, they snuck past us again...did ya get that...keep the cam on her...that's the way...
Kinda thought this one is a bit naughty...like she's Dutto's Teacher...
"Stop lying you naughty little boy...Yer Evil Plan is not Gonna Work...
Yer Nukes are gonna Cook us all alive..."
Bouncers throw her down the stair-well into a pit of Hell...is she dead...fark!
Pops up again...don't miss a beat....
Reckon next week we'll see her nodding behind Dutto...Fuck Yeah! On $2m / week [L] contract
Be their #1 Speech writer...shit hot, clear as a bell...message is on point..
You go gurl...Rising Tide...
https://www.risingtide.org.au/
https://www.facebook.com/risingtide.aus#
Comment from today’s Age about Dutton’s nuclear policy …
Dutton is lying—about the cost, timeline, and waste of nuclear power.
Nuclear is way too expensive, way too slow, and way too risky.
Nowhere have the costs or build times claimed by Dutton been achieved. Below are a few examples of nuclear projects in France, the UK, and the USA.
Budget blowouts and delays are the norm—even before factoring in waste, shutdowns, and disaster risks.
France
Flamanville 3
Budget: €3.3B → €19.1B
Timeline: Completion pushed from 2012 → Dec 2024 (The Times)
Astrid
Budget: €5B
Status: Cancelled (2019) due to budget and policy shifts (World Nuclear News)
USA
Vogtle Units 3 & 4
Budget: $14B → $35B
Timeline: Expected 2016–17 → Online 2023 & 2024 (Interesting Engineering)
TerraPower (Natrium)
Delayed to 2030 due to disrupted HALEU supply from Russia (Washington Examiner)
V.C. Summer Units 2 & 3
Budget: $9.8B → $25B
Status: Cancelled 2017 after $9B spent; delays and Westinghouse bankruptcy (NYT)
UK
Hinkley Point C
Budget: £18B → £31B
Timeline: Started 2016 → Delayed from 2025 to 2029 (FT, The Times)
Moorside
Budget: £10B
Status: Cancelled 2018; Westinghouse bankruptcy (BBC)
Wylfa Newydd
Budget: £13B
Status: Cancelled 2019; financing issues (The Guardian)
SAFETY ISSUES (France)
In 2021–2023, 10% of French nuclear capacity was shut down due to safety concerns:
Civaux 1 & 2: Shutdown Dec 2021 – Early 2023
Chooz B1 & B2: Shutdown Dec 2021 – Early 2023
(World Nuclear Association, Reuters)
^^^ but yeah let’s bag labor for not being willing to sit down and discuss it like adults .
Yeah but, no but, we are talking modular reactors. You know the ones that don’t currently exist anywhere, haven’t got beyond concept stage…..
blackers wrote:Yeah but, no but, we are talking modular reactors. You know the ones that don’t currently exist anywhere, haven’t got beyond concept stage…..
I dont think Australia will ever have nuclear or care either way but
That doesn't seem to be true.
"As of 2024, you can find operating modular nuclear reactors, specifically Small Modular Reactors (SMRs), in Russia (Akademik Lomonosov, a floating nuclear power plant) and China (HTR-PM and LingLong One reactors).
Here's a more detailed breakdown:
Russia:
The floating nuclear power plant "Akademik Lomonosov" has been operating commercially in Russia's Far East (Pevek) since 2020.
It uses two 35 MW(e) SMRs.
China:
China has successfully built and operates SMRs, including the HTR-PM and LingLong One reactors. "
And then much more under development
"As of 2024, only China and Russia have successfully built operational SMRs. There are more than 80 modular reactor designs under development in 19 countries. Russia has been operating a floating nuclear power plant Akademik Lomonosov, in Russia's Far East (Pevek), commercially since 2020."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small_modular_reactor#:~:text=As%20of%2020...)%2C%20commercially%20since%202020.
no, I agree, we won't ever have nuclear power. I'm sure a lot of people will start changing their mind about it though, if they fear the collapse of globalisation, most of the dystopian stuff we all grew up with taught us to lock down your power source. Last thing I'd want in an unstable world though, is poison death ray rocks knocking around.
we still don't have a central waste management for radioactive material..
It's stored in over 100 sites around Aus, most major hospitals, universities, and medical labs, a massive one at Lucas Heights between woronora dam and botany bay inland from Cronulla, another in Melbourne in suburban Yallambie storing 210 barrels of radioactive material from Melb Uni's old radium lab next to the Lower Plenty Pub and Heidelberg Golf Course.. they're everywhere..
now most of this stuff is mid-range nuclear waste, like strontium-90 and cesium-137 which should be okay to chuck into the bush under cover of darkness after 100 years.. point is, we can actually get on top of a lot of our waste because we don't do nuclear power. Countries that do, have stuff to store with a half-life of thousands of years and that can kill you in seconds.
Glad the economics of it is bullshit.
Sunday : Media put Dutto under the pump > FORCED 2 FACE World's Toughest Questions...
Like when will you back track on yer fucked up dual Voice / Citizen Reffos ...Tells us Now...Here Today!
World Awaits...
Brave Dutto mans up to his own fucked up #1 / #2 Star policies...
Wotz it gonna be mate...(Drumroll)
World is hanging on yer fucked up twisted brain farts...Will you Bankrupt Oz for your selfish 6 Pack Reffos
Is it a Yes or No....[L] Media Darlings will accept a dunno...that's fine also...we promise not to laugh!
Says he'll back track his on dual $1Billion Reffo savings for 2 more Wild Card Reffos in next 2 weeks.
$500m Reffo to fisty pump YMCA national anthem + $500m Reffo to Fly Israel Flag in STEM Pre Schools
https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/politics/federal/federal-election-2025-...
There ya go folks > Worlds biggest Loser dumps his Pride & Joy #1/ #2 National Policies on the Heap.
Sunday Special Double Pike Back Track...Vote for biggest ever $1b Double Own Goal ...wot a fuckin' idiot!
'I got this...I'm gonna be a Star!'
Just step down & back track to Qld Dutto...enough Mate...it's over before it begun...do us all a favour!
indo-dreaming wrote:blackers wrote:Yeah but, no but, we are talking modular reactors. You know the ones that don’t currently exist anywhere, haven’t got beyond concept stage…..
I dont think Australia will ever have nuclear or care either way but...
"As of 2024, only China and Russia have successfully built operational SMRs. There are more than 80 modular reactor designs under development .....
Yes, sorry, Russia and China have them, those bastions of openness, and careful, safe development.
"the reliability of publicly available information on non-OECD designs is questionable"
From the Australian Academy of Technological Sciences and Engineering: (the people who represent the people who would be responsible for building and running such a thing):
"Currently, there are no licensed designs, or constructed or operating SMRs in Australia, or in any Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) countries (which are most comparable to Australia for reasons outlined in the report; in addition the reliability of publicly available information on non-OECD designs is questionable). A range of SMR designs are being actively pursued internationally; projected costs and performance attributes could only be accurately demonstrated once full-scale prototype SMRs are built."
https://www.atse.org.au/what-we-do/strategic-advice/small-modular-reacto...
Australia is coming to its senses.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-03-30/yougov-modelling-finds-swing-back...
indo-dreaming wrote:blackers wrote:Yeah but, no but, we are talking modular reactors. You know the ones that don’t currently exist anywhere, haven’t got beyond concept stage…..
I dont think Australia will ever have nuclear or care either way but
That doesn't seem to be true.
"As of 2024, you can find operating modular nuclear reactors, specifically Small Modular Reactors (SMRs), in Russia (Akademik Lomonosov, a floating nuclear power plant) and China (HTR-PM and LingLong One reactors).
Here's a more detailed breakdown:
Russia:
The floating nuclear power plant "Akademik Lomonosov" has been operating commercially in Russia's Far East (Pevek) since 2020.
It uses two 35 MW(e) SMRs.
China:
China has successfully built and operates SMRs, including the HTR-PM and LingLong One reactors. "And then much more under development
"As of 2024, only China and Russia have successfully built operational SMRs. There are more than 80 modular reactor designs under development in 19 countries. Russia has been operating a floating nuclear power plant Akademik Lomonosov, in Russia's Far East (Pevek), commercially since 2020."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small_modular_reactor#:~:text=As%20of%2020...)%2C%20commercially%20since%202020.
Given Australia consumes 270 Terawatts of electricity, how many thousand 35MW SMR's do we need???
A Salty Dog wrote:indo-dreaming wrote:blackers wrote:Yeah but, no but, we are talking modular reactors. You know the ones that don’t currently exist anywhere, haven’t got beyond concept stage…..
I dont think Australia will ever have nuclear or care either way but
That doesn't seem to be true.
"As of 2024, you can find operating modular nuclear reactors, specifically Small Modular Reactors (SMRs), in Russia (Akademik Lomonosov, a floating nuclear power plant) and China (HTR-PM and LingLong One reactors).
Here's a more detailed breakdown:
Russia:
The floating nuclear power plant "Akademik Lomonosov" has been operating commercially in Russia's Far East (Pevek) since 2020.
It uses two 35 MW(e) SMRs.
China:
China has successfully built and operates SMRs, including the HTR-PM and LingLong One reactors. "And then much more under development
"As of 2024, only China and Russia have successfully built operational SMRs. There are more than 80 modular reactor designs under development in 19 countries. Russia has been operating a floating nuclear power plant Akademik Lomonosov, in Russia's Far East (Pevek), commercially since 2020."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small_modular_reactor#:~:text=As%20of%2020...)%2C%20commercially%20since%202020.
Given Australia consumes 270 Terawatts of electricity, how many thousand 35MW SMR's do we need???
All of the so called positive logic that’s been posted regarding nuclear power is utter garbage.
How about the first thing you think about is where is the waste going to end up and then start your rationales in the other direction about how can we or can’t we.
Until someone can give me a fool proof way of disposing of radioactive material, it’s really all just a bit of hot air coming out of your mouth and with no sort of scientific logic or reasoning.
Sequestration of waste will only become societies major head ache in the future.
We are the worse species on the planet, we drain river deltas and lakes, we divert rivers and other watercourses , we dam major rivers, we use the ocean as a supermarket and a rubbish tip, we’ve reduced school fish to a mere existence, we’ve incorporated plastics into biological and geological entities, we’ve polluted all levels of our atmosphere, we foolishly want to set up life on other planets, we are melting ice caps, extinction rates are at extremes, ….and you want to generate nuclear power from radioactive materials, …surely enough is enough.
How about we think about all the other living species on earth, they’ve a right to an existence also. Fed up with short term planning and short memories. AW
A Salty Dog wrote:indo-dreaming wrote:blackers wrote:Yeah but, no but, we are talking modular reactors. You know the ones that don’t currently exist anywhere, haven’t got beyond concept stage…..
I dont think Australia will ever have nuclear or care either way but
That doesn't seem to be true.
"As of 2024, you can find operating modular nuclear reactors, specifically Small Modular Reactors (SMRs), in Russia (Akademik Lomonosov, a floating nuclear power plant) and China (HTR-PM and LingLong One reactors).
Here's a more detailed breakdown:
Russia:
The floating nuclear power plant "Akademik Lomonosov" has been operating commercially in Russia's Far East (Pevek) since 2020.
It uses two 35 MW(e) SMRs.
China:
China has successfully built and operates SMRs, including the HTR-PM and LingLong One reactors. "And then much more under development
"As of 2024, only China and Russia have successfully built operational SMRs. There are more than 80 modular reactor designs under development in 19 countries. Russia has been operating a floating nuclear power plant Akademik Lomonosov, in Russia's Far East (Pevek), commercially since 2020."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small_modular_reactor#:~:text=As%20of%2020...)%2C%20commercially%20since%202020.
Given Australia consumes 270 Terawatts of electricity, how many thousand 35MW SMR's do we need???
Lets put aside the fact it's never going to happen in Australia and i think Duttons strategy of pushing it is kind of silly i just don't think many swing voters are going to vote LNP based on it and some swing voters might not vote LNP based on it.
But that aside just for argument's sake, it shouldn't be seen as wind & solar vs nuclear.
Nuclear should just be seen as another part of the puzzle and something that helps fill the short falls of wind and solar, and even helps fill the short falls of storage system's.
Nuclear would basically provide much more energy security, and would help do away with gas that will be used to support renewables for decades.
BTW. Regarding the waste that isn't much of a problem in Australia, the amount of waste is very small and we have the means to contain it safely especially in a geographical stable country, the issue is more the cost of doing this.
But cost aside personally i think the biggest argument against nuclear is what could happen in a war if reactor's were bombed.
Plus I don’t think either side really knows what the final cost , or time frame , for Nuclear Power will be.
I think peter is just wiggling his little alopecian toes in the water of trumpian diversion tactics; saturate the airwaves with big hits, so you can get on with your own brand of housekeeping. let's not talk about nuclear any more @jef.
basesix wrote:I think peter is just wiggling his little alopecian toes in the water of trumpian diversion tactics; saturate the airwaves with big hits, so you can get on with your own brand of housekeeping. let's not talk about nuclear any more @jef.
Sounds like South Australia just won the Sheffield Shield again, after 29 years.
Is that where you are now?
Might as well put this up in the politics subforum, to spare the front page. It's 18 months away or so, but here we go.
This is how Dutton wins:
https://www.afr.com/politics/enter-the-liberal-party-working-class-heroe...