Elon deserves his own thread
flollo wrote:Absolutely. Some valuations are crazy and they come with a lot of hype. If AI is to become what I believe it will a new industry, worth in trillions will be created. So you can understand some higher P/Es in that space. Market is betting on earnings 4,5+ years ahead of time. This is not standard and it comes with high risk and volatility.
Some prices are more reasonable. There is still some strong rationale associated with traditional companies.
Tesla is on the extreme end of it all. Especially if you look at it as a car manufacturer. No other car manufacturer is anywhere near as expensive as Tesla is when earnings are taken into consideration. Which is why Musk is saying that Tesla is not a car manufacturer anymore. And why he presented all those robots on stage last year. It’s all propaganda to be honest and a bit of bullshit. But this is Musk’s strategy to keep the hype going. Call Tesla something that doesn’t exist so you muddy the waters and distract investors from benchmarking its performance against other car manufacturers.
I dont know much about it all, but i thought it was true that Tesla are not just a car manufacturer?
They sell those Tesla Powerwall not sure about 2024 but
"Half of Home Batteries Installed in 2023 Were Tesla Powerwalls"https://www.cnet.com/home/energy-and-utilities/half-of-home-batteries-in...
I dont know if they are still one of the top dogs or if their focus is still in that area, but you would think this market has huge potential for growth similar to EV's
Me too @SF, the old joke comes to mind .. if it looks, feels and smells like dog shit it’s lucky we didn’t buy some … or another: if your waiter is hirsute then don’t complain about hair in your soup!
Supafreak wrote:GuySmiley wrote:Yes it is @SF, apologies if I came across as a little smug ^^ but again I was quoting the attitude of those people I know who have lived and breathed the market ;)
You didn’t come across as smug , I couldn’t give 2 shits about his businesses. I think his cars will get priced out of the market but his robots will possibly take off . His obsession with Mars is just plain weird & a waste of money. He could do so much more for humanity with his $ but he sees that colonisation of Mars is what’s important, that’s what I find so weird .
I think Tesla cars are going to end up like apple laptops, more expensive but a little different, it feels like everyone has one too, but a quick google and Apple only control 10% of the laptop market globally 16% in USA.
Personally i like what Musk has done for humanity buying twitter and helping Trump get elected, i just wish he would buy Facebook and Youtube.
GuySmiley wrote:Thanks @flollo, perfect summary so much hype around stocks like Tesla. What's your take on Warren Buffett cashing out?
BTW: Those people I was referring to before started cashing out of individual stocks 2 + years ago and are now in EFTs
Buffet cashing out is an interesting case. He had 1/4 of his whole portfolio in Apple at some stage. Which sounds a little bit non characteristic for Buffet. That's a lot of money to keep in one company, around $70, $80B to be precise. So, I know he worked on lowering that down and balancing his portfolio out. He had a similar situation with Bank of America.
And I guess you need to question the growth potential for some companies. Apple seems to be quite stagnant. They urgently need a new product line. They're not really seen as AI company which means they might miss on a bit of hype coming from that perspective. Capital follows profits. Or the promise of future profits. Buffet would follow the same.
On ETFs, I absolutely love ETFs. People who pick shares and time the market will return worse results than an ETF in 90% (a bit of a guess but it's there somewhere) of the cases. One of my favorite in the US is SCHD, a quality dividend ETF that still grows better than ASX. IVV is good, AUD ETF that tracks S&P500. I still buy some individual shares but being on top of it all is a lot of work. ETF is set it and forget it game. I don't even look at the price when I buy SCHD. Just put some money in it every month and move on.
^^ yep x2: my son has been into ETFs from the beginning of his investment years for precisely the reasons you mentioned plus rather than following the daily nuances of the market he figures he can earn more money per hour doing his real job as a consultant financial modeller for top international companies!
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