The Necessity of Reparation for Historic Injustices
Me too Guy. Enjoyed.
Further to the energy thing, my parents who I don't believe were particularly spiritual took one of several trips to Kunanurra to visit family. My late uncle who is indigenous was a grader driver, he had the keys to basically any closed off area over hundreds of square kilometres including all the pastoral leases and Aboriginal land. Apart from visiting the homestead where the Baz Luhrmann movie Australia was filmed which is/was closed to the public, which mum said was a thrill, my uncle took them way out into closed lands and showed them different rock art which he said he didn't know how old it was but definitely pre-dated modern Oz history. He didn't exactly say they couldn't take pictures but they didn't anyway out of respect.
Anyhoo, regards the energy of a place- as I said, I don't think my olds were particularly spiritual but I recall talking to them about it and they both agreed that there was something bigger there that they couldn't comprehend. Mum said it was like their bodies were tingling or maybe they were just in awe having witnessed something very few people, let alone white people have ever seen. I guess having seen something with your own eyes your mortality becomes apparent and you may realise just how insignificant you are in the grand scheme of things. I think it would have been magic to see myself.
These areas are locked up and their precise locations kept secret but Mum said to this day it was one of the highlights of their travels and a great privilege.
That and Uncle George (RIP) got dad his first Barra.
zenagain wrote:Further to the energy thing, my parents who I don't believe were particularly spiritual took one of several trips to Kunanurra to visit family. My late uncle who is indigenous was a grader driver, he had the keys to basically any closed off area over hundreds of square kilometres including all the pastoral leases and Aboriginal land. Apart from visiting the homestead where the Baz Luhrmann movie Australia was filmed which is/was closed to the public, which mum said was a thrill, my uncle took them way out into closed lands and showed them different rock art which he said he didn't know how old it was but definitely pre-dated modern Oz history. He didn't exactly say they couldn't take pictures but they didn't anyway out of respect.
Anyhoo, regards the energy of a place- as I said, I don't think my olds were particularly spiritual but I recall talking to them about it and they both agreed that there was something bigger there that they couldn't comprehend. Mum said it was like their bodies were tingling or maybe they were just in awe having witnessed something very few people, let alone white people have ever seen. I guess having seen something with your own eyes your mortality becomes apparent and you may realise just how insignificant you are in the grand scheme of things. I think it would have been magic to see myself.
These areas are locked up and their precise locations kept secret but Mum said to this day it was one of the highlights of their travels and a great privilege.
That and Uncle George (RIP) got dad his first Barra.
Zenagain. Hi mate.
So good, thanks for sharing that experience. Sounded wonderful.
I think you’re totally correct, when we visit sites of significance and have a fair idea of its time scale of history, things foreign to most of us can get our brains in rapid fire mode. And, I can easily see and understand why your parents felt that way.
To them and rightly so, it’s way bigger than they’ve ever imagined.
To think, they are standing there before rock art, that was painted thousands of years ago and individuals also stood there in the same spot painting the art, it’s like you’re sharing the same room just at different points in time. You’d have to feel something, wouldn’t you.
The Barramundi sounds good. AW
Most definitely AW.
There's a walking track in the hills behind my house, I take my dogs there often. It's an old trade route for want of a better term where inland people would bring rice and other stuff to the coast and trade for fish. The route goes for miles but the furtherest I've walked in is about 6 hours.
Along the way there's little what I guess would have been rest areas, usually close to natural springs- and they have little stone 'cairns' (is that the right word?) with inscriptions carved into them. I think they're buddhist. These places pre-date Australian history by 1000 or so years and obviously pups when compared to our own indigenous history but it's pretty cool to sit down for a breather knowing someone sat down in the same spot 1000+ years ago.
zenagain wrote:Most definitely AW.
There's a walking track in the hills behind my house, I take my dogs there often. It's an old trade route for want of a better term where inland people would bring rice and other stuff to the coast and trade for fish. The route goes for miles but the furtherest I've walked in is about 6 hours.
Along the way there's little what I guess would have been rest areas, usually close to natural springs- and they have little stone 'cairns' (is that the right word?) with inscriptions carved into them. I think they're buddhist. These places pre-date Australian history by 1000 or so years and obviously pups when compared to our own indigenous history but it's pretty cool to sit down for a breather knowing someone sat down in the same spot 1000+ years ago.
Zenagain. Hi again.
It’s very cool indeed to ponder those who’ve sat before you.
That track paints a great picture, your tracking it now and others did well before you.
Yep, cairn is the correct name, something inscribed on a marker or on a plate of some type.
Anything heralding and defining a moment in history.
Would you have any photos of that track ?
I’m sure many would love to see it, mostly me. Cheers. AW
Great stuff ^^ guys,
That morality thing you mention @zen would most certainly come into those occasions, to reflect on how insignificant we are when faced with overwhelming evidence of something much greater, was it Steve Pezman that talks of our insignificance in terms of a blink of an eye or even a drain of sand?
Hi AW, just quickly as I don't want to stray too far from the original subject which has been fascinating reading btw, but I only have a couple of pics. I can't say for certain but these have been here since around the 8th century so about 1300 years or so so I've been lead to believe.
Lots of stuff in the area- I live in Jonan which literally means south of the castle and the remnants of that old castle (very little remains) is in a little park just before I get to the trailhead to start my hike.
Ps- that's my old boy, sadly passed away a few years ago.
Totally Guy.
As we rocket towards the future it becomes more and more apparent how insignificant we are. Soon all of us will be a distant memory and not long after that any trace of our existence will be lost forever.
I guess if we're to 'live on' we can only do so in the genes of our children but because I sadly have no kids of my own, it stops with me.
I recommend planting a tree if you want to leave a legacy.
Uni assignment i did a few years ago. This is my take on things. I'm sure this will ruffle many feathers. I hope so.
Love Blue Diamond x
The Necessity of Reparation for Historic Injustices
Introduction – Compensatory Justice
Disparities between the standards of living of humans on this planet have long been a part of our history on this planet. From the wealthy nations of the West to the developing and undeveloped nations on this globe, the diversity in the quality of life when viewed from a moral standpoint are without a doubt grossly unfair.
In this paper I will look at why historic injustices do require some form of reparation. I take a strong stance that we are more obliged to solve current injustices than to provide reparation for every act of injustice in the past. In doing this I will first investigate the historic injustice of the Aboriginal people of Australia and I will look at the argument that they are entitled to some form of reparation and why.
I will incoroporate some interesting views from Jeremy Waldron, Robert Nozick and others which will help me slowly build to my conclusion that reparation should be in the form of Non Indigenous Australians surrendering some of our priveleges as a form of reparation.
Historic Injustices to Indigenous Australians:
Australia the continent was well inhabited for many years long before white settlement. It is commonly known that in 1788 Australia was colonised as a country under the rule of the British Empire, with total contempt for the fact that it was already inhabited by a native indigenous race of people.
The way the original inhabitants have been treated, including forced assimilation, execution, stolen families and not even allowed to be recognised as citizens for a large part of white Australia’s history are also well known facts. (Poole, 1999,pp114-142)
There exists now a situation where there is a large divide between Aboriginal and non Aboriginal Australian’s that can be traced back to the moment Australia was invaded by English settlers and the brutal and unfair treatment that has followed.
So at this point now, in 2013 what is the just and fair way to make amends for past actions?
I would argue that a moderate to large amount of reparation is overdue for this nation of people, the Aboriginal people. But there are many challenges to this view point especially that of how much reparation, and what sort of compensation.
Past injustices or present suffering?
One of the questions raised in an issue like this is whether it is better to provide compensation or reparation for past deeds, which have already been done in a previous generation and cannot be changed, or whether it is better to now provide assistance to those who are suffering in their current situations and consider that as a form of moral duty.
To understand this we need to delve a little deeper into this issue and hear some differing viewpoints.
Firstly we need to understand what the best way to provide reparation. How do we judge what is the best way of giving back and how much? Jeremy Waldron states “The historic record has a fragility that consists, …in the sheer contingency of what happened in the past” (Waldron,1992,p5 )
This is saying that we can’t trace every single injustice back to the original act therefore reparation for every act would be almost impossible because it would ultimately be guess work.
In this statement he has an objection from Robert Nozick who believes it is in fact possible to address this problem by “changing the present so that it resembles how the past would have looked had the injustice not taken place” (McKenzie, 2013)
This would be a way to ultimately provide maximum reparation, but is it the correct approach? I believe this is a fairly radical approach, although it does have some merits in the fact it would be working in a positive way for indigenous people, I don’t think it is entirely the right way to deal with these issues but it is on the right track.
Waldron argues that it is based on too many unknowns. “The status of counterfactual reasoning about the exercising of human reasoning of human freedom is unclear”(Waldron 1993,p10)
Which leaves the question somewhat open about the sort of reparation that is required, but provides one clear answer to the key question. Both agree that yes, reparation to some extent is required. But how much and in what form?
Another philosopher who leans more towards Waldron’s views is Kymlicka. He is somewhat more straightforward in his assessment that property rights in particular for Aboriginals would create “massive unfairness” and also he maintains the argument “Aboriginal rights must be grounded in concerns about equality and contemporary disadvantage. (McKenzie, 2013) I agree with both these views but I don’t think they provide any active solutions.
The Solution?
So if its not handing back all of Australia’s land to the original inhabitants that is the most appropriate way to deal with past injustices, then what is?
I look at the current country I grew up in, as a white Australian. I ask myself why I never had Aboriginal friends growing up, no understanding of Aboriginal culture and why my basic understanding of Indigenous Australians is mostly 200 years old. I look at our flag, a symbol of a nation that stole a country from its original inhabitants, with no recognition of the Indigenous people at all on it. I see that Australia considered Indigenous people as less than people until only 40 years ago and I see the way that Indigenous Australians live a completely separate life to the way of life I know as an Australian. I see that the only indigenous politician I am aware of is a former Olympian and it is because of this fact of her sporting status that I know this. I see no collective power or representation of Indigenous Australians and I see non Indigenous Australians,( a culture built on a history of stealing a land and mistreating its people) still taking, taking as much out of this land as they can, with little to no regard of sharing or giving to the original inhabitants. I see a government that says lots of words about ‘closing the gap’ and bringing the living standards of non- indigenous and indigenous Australians closer together, but apart from nice words, there is no conviction, no follow through, just assimilation , and all that still remains are injustices.
As stated by Sparrow, “Continuity gives rise to responsibility on part of present generations of Australians for our history”.(McKenzie,2013). Although deeds happened in the past beyond our control, what we do now to either ignore, or rectify these issues will reflect on us in history. So if we choose to do nothing, we are contributing to the history of the mistreatment of non- indigenous Australians. And this is simply unacceptable in my opinion.
Conclusion
So what is fair? I believe that the way forward is a surrendering of some of our privileges as non- indigenous Australians. The simple fact is it was morally wrong without a doubt what has happened in the past. And it is also morally wrong without a doubt to ignore these facts and not offer some form of reparation in the present. But how much?
I think that going back to Robert Nozick’s argument is a start. I think Nozick is wrong to make the present resemble the past in every aspect. But I do think that it would be reasonable to restore some aspects of the way things should be. The things that happened in the past were out of our control and we can’t go back to changing the way things were. But we could change the way things are.
For some examples. Why not give at least 50% of political power to indigenous people? It surely would be a fair thing to do considering this is their country. Media control. 50 percent. Industry. Realestate. The list goes on. Why do we not acknowledge the indigenous people on our flag, or better still use their flag? Why is Australia still a part of the Commonwealth when it serves little purpose to any of us and serves as a constant reminder to Indigenous Australians that they are still controlled by the original invaders. These to me are fairly simple reparations that would have minimal impact on Australia as a whole. Perhaps, it would alter the way we live but I think it is our responsibility, morally to forfeit some of our privileges for the greater good. Basically a little bit goes a long way.
In closing, it is a fact that a huge injustice occurred to the Indigenous population and suffering continues to this day. There is no easy solution to such a burden of pain. I believe the only solutions are for the non- Indigenous population to take responsibility and sacrifice our own way of life to bring about an overall equality. Sacrifice is not an easy word. But it all comes down to right and wrong. We are in a position to give, in this current generation. What are we so scared to lose, that was never ours in the first place??
Bibliography
McKenzie,C.”Prof” (2013), Lecture, Historic Injustices and Indigenous Rights, Macquarie University
Poole, R. (1999). Nation and Identity.Routledge, London, pp.114-142
Waldron,J. (1992). ‘Superseding Historic Injustice’. Ethics, 103 (1), 4-28
References
Poole, R. (1999). Nation and Identity.Routledge, London, pp.114-142
Waldron,J. (1992). ‘Superseding Historic Injustice’. Ethics, 103 (1), 4-28