Next Federal Election

Indo, seriously!?

From chatgpt (AI):

Q: Can artificial intelligence have bias?

A: Yes, artificial intelligence (AI) can have bias. This bias often stems from the data used to train the AI systems, as well as the algorithms that process that data. Here's how bias can emerge in AI:

Biased Training Data: AI models learn patterns from large datasets. If these datasets contain biased information—whether because of historical inequities, unequal representation, or stereotypes—the AI can inadvertently "learn" and replicate those biases. For example, if a facial recognition system is trained predominantly on images of light-skinned individuals, it might struggle to accurately identify people with darker skin tones.

Data Collection and Sampling Bias: Bias can be introduced in the way data is collected. If certain groups or types of data are underrepresented, the AI may perform poorly for those groups. For instance, an AI model trained on medical data from one demographic group might not be as effective when applied to others, leading to poorer outcomes for underrepresented groups.

Bias in Algorithm Design: The design choices made by AI developers can also introduce bias. Certain assumptions made about how data should be processed or how decisions should be made might favor certain groups over others. If the algorithm is not properly tested for fairness, it might inadvertently perpetuate existing societal biases.

Reinforcement of Existing Bias: In some cases, AI systems can amplify existing biases. For example, algorithms used in hiring or lending decisions might unintentionally prioritize candidates or applicants that are similar to those in the historical data—often reflecting systemic biases in society.

Feedback Loops: Once deployed, AI systems can also create feedback loops. For instance, if an AI system is used to predict crime hotspots based on historical crime data, it may continue to target certain neighborhoods disproportionately, even if crime rates in those areas don't justify it, reinforcing a biased cycle.

Addressing AI Bias:
To mitigate these biases, developers and researchers are focused on strategies such as:

Improving diversity in training data to ensure that all groups are adequately represented.
Bias detection and correction algorithms to identify and reduce biases in the AI system.
Transparent and explainable AI so that the decision-making processes of AI systems can be understood, scrutinized, and adjusted if necessary.
Fairness metrics to evaluate whether an AI system treats all groups equitably.
Despite these efforts, ensuring that AI is free from bias remains a challenging, ongoing task, especially as AI becomes more embedded in sensitive areas like healthcare, hiring, law enforcement, and finance.

Maybe there some Islamist Ai you can search out Hicups.

I mean fuck dude your eyes must be painted on if you havent seen those boxes ticked at rallies, but maybe you just dont know what the slogans on the signs actually mean.

Which wouldn't surprise me at all.

^ AI said that, not Hiccups

indo-dreaming wrote:

Maybe there some Islamist Ai you can search out Hicups.

I mean fuck dude your eyes must be painted on if you havent seen those boxes ticked at rallies, but maybe you just dont know what the slogans on the signs actually mean.

Which wouldn't surprise me at all.

Oh yeah? Sorry, have you been to a few pro-Palestine rallies, mate? Seen these alleged signs with your own eyes have ya?

Ah, the brutal irony of someone that's barely literate telling me I don't understand how to interpret slogans.

Stu, I’m the least partisan person around…..I vote for who I think has the best team at the time and have probably voted equally over the years for the nats or Labor.
Unfortunately I haven’t seen a good Labor govt for some years and the libs only very slightly better which isn’t saying much.
Point taken on free speech but this has gone past that to free violence.
Which in my eyes means whoever is in power on the day regardless needs to act now to quash it…..
Burning down cars and now houses , vandalising buildings and add violent threats and you have something the countries boss at the time must fix and fix it today…
This wasn’t around a couple of years ago…..but now…here it is…because nothing is done.
These people are Aussies …….of Jewish heritage…probably mostly born here….
.they are not in Israel….they are not in the army……they might not even like bibi as many don’t…..but….attacked anyway…..I find the whole thing a shocker….
And the leadership ….even more so.

indo-dreaming wrote:

I used AI as the most non bias source possible.

Personally i think AI was being a bit too diplomatic.

Nah depends on the data in, same old same old crap in crap out should improve in the future but by then we wont know what the Ai intensions are.

indo-dreaming wrote:

Maybe there some Islamist Ai you can search out Hicups.

I mean fuck dude your eyes must be painted on if you havent seen those boxes ticked at rallies, but maybe you just dont know what the slogans on the signs actually mean.

Which wouldn't surprise me at all.

I went to a rally. No anti semitism at all. Calls for freedom and self determination and an end to genocide. All quite cool calm and collected.
We certainly don’t need a Zionist with ties to the Israeli arms industry as the national arbitrator of what is or isn’t hate speech. Such a clear conflict of interest it’s mind boggling.
You are not to be turned though Indo so please don’t mistake this as an attempt to change your mind. Just countering your pearl clutching hyperbole with some factual insights. Peace!

soggydog wrote:

indo-dreaming wrote:

Maybe there some Islamist Ai you can search out Hicups.

I mean fuck dude your eyes must be painted on if you havent seen those boxes ticked at rallies, but maybe you just dont know what the slogans on the signs actually mean.

Which wouldn't surprise me at all.

I went to a rally. No anti semitism at all. Calls for freedom and self determination and an end to genocide. All quite cool calm and collected.
We certainly don’t need a Zionist with ties to the Israeli arms industry as the national arbitrator of what is or isn’t hate speech. Such a clear conflict of interest it’s mind boggling.
You are not to be turned though Indo so please don’t mistake this as an attempt to change your mind. Just countering your pearl clutching hyperbole with some factual insights. Peace!

The big issue with conflating antisemitism with legitimate protest against the State of Israel is that you dilute real cases of antisemitism.
Real antisemitism is about as toxic/ evil, or whichever term you wish to use as humans can get.
There is a huge difference calling for a halt in war using peaceful protest and fire bombings a child care centre.

@ soggydog

You know it's a weird positive hearing you and Hicups have attended these rallies, you guys especially you are obviously very misguided and victims of propaganda & misinformation with little to no grasp on history, some of the things you have said and comparisons you have made over the last year plus are just totally out there, with the bizarreness only maybe bettered by the odd comment on social media.(often honestly a Mohammad)

So it's nice to know that, you guys are the ceiling that 0.1% fringe, and there is no next level (well legal), attending rallies confirms this.

Personally im in a real positive mindset right now around all this, Trump just got in, that while he isn't going to be a walk over and give Bibi all he wants, he will still provide much more support than Biden, and Iran and it's proxies are now at their weakest in over a decade the ring of fire is broken (plus the fall of Asad is a hige plus in closing down Hezbollah's supply route)

And on Monday three female hostages just returned home after 471 days in captivity of jihadist terrorist and about 30 more will hopefully be released in the following weeks, (even if about 9 are just bodies)

Although it is all bitter sweet as with every 3 hostages returned to Israel, about 90 Arab/Palestinian prisoner's are released some in for murder and terrorism, and any of those could be the next Sinwar who was released in a similar deal over a decade ago.

BTW. After posting that AI cut and paste the other day on why and how being anti zionist is almost always the same as being anti semitic i really wish i had included the little bit at the bottom that went on explaining the difference between those thing's and legit criticism of Israel government.

andy-mac wrote:

soggydog wrote:

indo-dreaming wrote:

Maybe there some Islamist Ai you can search out Hicups.

I mean fuck dude your eyes must be painted on if you havent seen those boxes ticked at rallies, but maybe you just dont know what the slogans on the signs actually mean.

Which wouldn't surprise me at all.

I went to a rally. No anti semitism at all. Calls for freedom and self determination and an end to genocide. All quite cool calm and collected.
We certainly don’t need a Zionist with ties to the Israeli arms industry as the national arbitrator of what is or isn’t hate speech. Such a clear conflict of interest it’s mind boggling.
You are not to be turned though Indo so please don’t mistake this as an attempt to change your mind. Just countering your pearl clutching hyperbole with some factual insights. Peace!

The big issue with conflating antisemitism with legitimate protest against the State of Israel is that you dilute real cases of antisemitism.
Real antisemitism is about as toxic/ evil, or whichever term you wish to use as humans can get.
There is a huge difference calling for a halt in war using peaceful protest and fire bombings a child care centre.

Where’d the childcare centre get burned andy-Mac?

indo-dreaming wrote:

@ soggydog

You know it's a weird positive hearing you and Hicups have attended these rallies, you guys especially you are obviously very misguided and victims of propaganda & misinformation with little to no grasp on history, some of the things you have said and comparisons you have made over the last year plus are just totally out there, with the bizarreness only maybe bettered by the odd comment on social media.(often honestly a Mohammad)

So it's nice to know that, you guys are the ceiling that 0.1% fringe, and there is no next level (well legal), attending rallies confirms this.

Personally im in a real positive mindset right now around all this, Trump just got in, that while he isn't going to be a walk over and give Bibi all he wants, he will still provide much more support than Biden, and Iran and it's proxies are now at their weakest in over a decade the ring of fire is broken (plus the fall of Asad is a hige plus in closing down Hezbollah's supply route)

And on Monday three female hostages just returned home after 471 days in captivity of jihadist terrorist and about 30 more will hopefully be released in the following weeks, (even if about 9 are just bodies)

Although it is all bitter sweet as with every 3 hostages returned to Israel, about 90 Arab/Palestinian prisoner's are released some in for murder and terrorism, and any of those could be the next Sinwar who was released in a similar deal over a decade ago.

BTW. After posting that AI cut and paste the other day on why and how being anti zionist is almost always the same as being anti semitic i really wish i had included the little bit at the bottom that went on explaining the difference between those thing's and legit criticism of Israel government.

Well that’s just what you think, which is wrong mainly about me . But do carry on. I’d hate to interrupt your good feels about other peoples hellish misfortune.

soggydog wrote:

andy-mac wrote:

soggydog wrote:

indo-dreaming wrote:

Maybe there some Islamist Ai you can search out Hicups.

I mean fuck dude your eyes must be painted on if you havent seen those boxes ticked at rallies, but maybe you just dont know what the slogans on the signs actually mean.

Which wouldn't surprise me at all.

I went to a rally. No anti semitism at all. Calls for freedom and self determination and an end to genocide. All quite cool calm and collected.
We certainly don’t need a Zionist with ties to the Israeli arms industry as the national arbitrator of what is or isn’t hate speech. Such a clear conflict of interest it’s mind boggling.
You are not to be turned though Indo so please don’t mistake this as an attempt to change your mind. Just countering your pearl clutching hyperbole with some factual insights. Peace!

The big issue with conflating antisemitism with legitimate protest against the State of Israel is that you dilute real cases of antisemitism.
Real antisemitism is about as toxic/ evil, or whichever term you wish to use as humans can get.
There is a huge difference calling for a halt in war using peaceful protest and fire bombings a child care centre.

Where’d the childcare centre get burned andy-Mac?

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2025/jan/22/maroubra-childcar...

Thanks, in that case I think the accusation could be justified. But like you said, there’s a huge difference peaceful protest and actions of that nature.

Maybe we're all just being played again

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c8057j0mz5mo

The terrorist networks stretch around the world, theres more to come.

quadzilla wrote:

The terrorist networks stretch around the world, theres more to come.

Yep they do, im not suggesting Hezbollah are in Australia, but as an example Hezbollah aren't confined to the middle east, for instance most people dont know but they are well established in areas of South America and use drugs etc for funding.

"Hezbollah in Latin America[a] is a splinter organization of the Shia Islamist Lebanon-based group Hezbollah which operates in throughout South America.[7]

History
The group was established in the 1980s in the tri-border region of Paraguay, Brazil and Argentina which was considered a safe haven for the group's operations of smuggling, recruitment, and plotting of attacks.[8] They expanded into Venezuela with some degree of sponsorship from the Venezuelan state.[9] They also receive funding from the Iranian state to conduct operations against U.S. and Jewish interests in South America with many of the members of the group being Arab Muslims who either immigrated or were born in South America.[10] The establishment was also seen as a way for Iran to get more leverage against the U.S., with this formation being taken as the setting up of a South American proxy terrorist network of Iran."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hezbollah_in_Latin_America#Revenue

Fuck yeah, let’s go

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2025/01/21/tech/openai-oracle-softbank-trump-ai-...

indo-dreaming wrote:

quadzilla wrote:

The terrorist networks stretch around the world, theres more to come.

Yep they do, im not suggesting Hezbollah are in Australia, but as an example Hezbollah aren't confined to the middle east, for instance most people dont know but they are well established in areas of South America and use drugs etc for funding.

"Hezbollah in Latin America[a] is a splinter organization of the Shia Islamist Lebanon-based group Hezbollah which operates in throughout South America.[7]

History
The group was established in the 1980s in the tri-border region of Paraguay, Brazil and Argentina which was considered a safe haven for the group's operations of smuggling, recruitment, and plotting of attacks.[8] They expanded into Venezuela with some degree of sponsorship from the Venezuelan state.[9] They also receive funding from the Iranian state to conduct operations against U.S. and Jewish interests in South America with many of the members of the group being Arab Muslims who either immigrated or were born in South America.[10] The establishment was also seen as a way for Iran to get more leverage against the U.S., with this formation being taken as the setting up of a South American proxy terrorist network of Iran."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hezbollah_in_Latin_America#Revenue

If you know your history you’d recognise the Zionist movement as terrorists originally, they’ve transcended that moniker. And yes they’re present in Australia exerting undue influence on Australian politics and propaganda.
There influence in US politics is undeniable to the point where pundits are now recognising that the US is in servitude to the desires of a former terrorist group.
I’d expect you to ignore the extensive body of evidence to refute this point Indo. I don’t really care. Your minds made up. And to an observer it’s apparent that as long as the person identifies as an Arab (Islamic) you are completely OK with their death/displacement/despair. Me, I don’t think anyone should die. But the colonisers should go home.

indo-dreaming wrote:

@ soggydog

You know it's a weird positive hearing you and Hicups have attended these rallies, you guys especially you are obviously very misguided and victims of propaganda & misinformation with little to no grasp on history, some of the things you have said and comparisons you have made over the last year plus are just totally out there, with the bizarreness only maybe bettered by the odd comment on social media.

I sometimes forget that you, indo, could not possibly be a misguided victim of propaganda. I mean, you blindly swallow everything Israel says, so we should probably all trust your judgment. Don't hit your thumb with a hammer today now, will ya.

soggydog wrote:

indo-dreaming wrote:

quadzilla wrote:

The terrorist networks stretch around the world, theres more to come.

Yep they do, im not suggesting Hezbollah are in Australia, but as an example Hezbollah aren't confined to the middle east, for instance most people dont know but they are well established in areas of South America and use drugs etc for funding.

"Hezbollah in Latin America[a] is a splinter organization of the Shia Islamist Lebanon-based group Hezbollah which operates in throughout South America.[7]

History
The group was established in the 1980s in the tri-border region of Paraguay, Brazil and Argentina which was considered a safe haven for the group's operations of smuggling, recruitment, and plotting of attacks.[8] They expanded into Venezuela with some degree of sponsorship from the Venezuelan state.[9] They also receive funding from the Iranian state to conduct operations against U.S. and Jewish interests in South America with many of the members of the group being Arab Muslims who either immigrated or were born in South America.[10] The establishment was also seen as a way for Iran to get more leverage against the U.S., with this formation being taken as the setting up of a South American proxy terrorist network of Iran."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hezbollah_in_Latin_America#Revenue

If you know your history you’d recognise the Zionist movement as terrorists originally, they’ve transcended that moniker. And yes they’re present in Australia exerting undue influence on Australian politics and propaganda.
There influence in US politics is undeniable to the point where pundits are now recognising that the US is in servitude to the desires of a former terrorist group.
I’d expect you to ignore the extensive body of evidence to refute this point Indo. I don’t really care. Your minds made up. And to an observer it’s apparent that as long as the person identifies as an Arab (Islamic) you are completely OK with their death/displacement/despair. Me, I don’t think anyone should die. But the colonisers should go home.

Go back and have a look at that google AI cut and paste, your post above ticked quite a number of boxes.

Probably the biggest and most obvious one is that the so called colonisers should go home, well buddy those you think are colonisers are home, this is the land they are from and even if you somehow think Jews from Europe are some how colonizers, they only make up 30% if the population of Israelis jews over 50% of Jews in Israel have returned from other middle east countries.

Today Jews & Samaritans are the only surviving indigenous ethnic group that has been around thousand's of years and only groups to still use both an indigenous language Hebrew and practice the oldest surviving Indigenous religion Judaism. (or in Samaritan's case as very similar of shoot just as old)

Jews are quite literally named after Judea Samaritan's are named after Samaria, ironically these areas are what was renamed the West Bank in 1948 by Jordan, when Jordan captured the area in the 1948 war.(war of independence)

The land in littered with thousands of Jewish and Samaritan archeological sites and even the tombs of their ancestor's most of these sites date back to about 2,000 years ago but some date back almost 3,000 years or 1,000 years before the Roman colonised the land and almost 2,000 years before Arabs, Arabic and Islam arrived from Saudi Arabia with the second wave of true colonialism. (a foreign empire taking over the land, bringing in a their own non indigenous language and religion, renaming things etc, all also seen in Australia of course)

Anyway in regard to Israel being founded on a terrorism group, to some extent there is truth in that, but its a little more complex and a story that spans about thirty years.

When the Turkish Ottoman empire fell after world war one the British were given control of what was then called Palestine a name that had developed out of the Romans renaming of the land Syria Palestina after the second Jewish revolt roughly 100 years after Jesus death, the revolt saw a TRUE genocide happen somewhere between 500,000 to 7,000 Jews murdered most of the then population and of course it saw Jew's fleeing to Europe and other areas of the middle east etc (some as slaves) this was also TRUE ethnic cleansing.

Latter in the Byzantine Empire period around 400-500AD Samaritan's also revolted in about five separate revolts and of 1 million population by the the time the Byzantine & Ottomans empires had finished in early 1900's there was said to be only 150 alive, yes ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY people of the Samaritan ethnic group survived out of what some say was at one point a one million population..

Again true genocide and true ethic cleansing, today only 800 Samaritans survive.

Anyway the British promised the Jews to return some of the land to the Jews and create a Jewish state, and in 1917 the balfour declaration was made to officially an announce this.

Originally plans of the British mandate show all of Palestine created as a Jewish state including what is now Jordan and yeah sure this was overly generous as would have extended the boundaries of what the kingdom of Judea and Kingdom of Israel had once been.

Not long latter in the very early 20's, Trans Jordan was created latter to become Jordan in 1945, this was the creation of an Arab state as at the time there was no such thing as one seperate Palestinian ethnicity all groups that lived in the land identified as both either Arab, Muslim, Jew, Christian, Druze, Bedouin and to some extent Palestinian no different to how in the USA all people will call themselves American but also Arab, Asian Latino, African American, infant Muslim arabs were the less likely to identify as Palestinian and Jews more likely.

If the Arabs had identified as Palestinian at the time, Jordan today which was created out of 77% of Palestine would be a Palestine state.

Anyway the Jews waited and waited but it would take 31 years until the Jew's would receive the state they were promised.

And in this time there was much violence and death between Arabs and Jews and even between both groups towards the British and yes military groups were created and acts that could be seen as terrorism, so yeah all groups be it on the Jewish side or Arab side could be classed or seen as terrorist groups in this era.

But for the last seventy years things have been very different, we have military groups in Israel and other countries like Egypt and Jordan ,Lebanon, Syria etc and then we have terrorist groups that are also Jihadist groups many of these groups have even pretty much taken over countries like in Lebanon with Hezbollah or seen much problems in

The list includes but not limited too, Islamic Resistance Movement (HAMAS): , Palestine Islamic Jihad, ISIS, Al Qaida, but there is quite literally a lost too long to name.

Personally i have so much respect for the Jewish people, there is no other group in the world that has survived what they have, two rounds of colonialism (roman & turkish) a true genocide and ethnic cleansing by Romans that saw the rest become refugees, over a thousand years of Arab persecution including having to pay Jizya/tax for not being Muslim for those that never left the land, the Holocaust another true genocide, lost Hebrew as a spoken language yet somehow it was reborn, somehow they decolonized the land of Israel/Judea and have been fighting off invading Arabs for 70 years and still fighting for survival.

In theory they should be down and out and suffer intergenerational trauma like no other, but its quite the opposite, Jews are one of the most successful groups in the world and Israel is one of if not the most successful country in the middle east, the irony is you are most likely using tech right now developed in Israel.

Is it a religion or an ethnicity. I think you’re getting the two confused.

You’ve ticked a few boxes yourself mate.

Your metrics mean nothing and the definition of anti semetic is driven by the Zionist movement which is quite a self serving definition, given the population of the Jewish faith that denounces Zionism. You’ll have another Hasbara pejorative to label them all the while accusing others of being propagandised. News flash mate…..we all have been. Some of us are using that propaganda to justify mass killings (you) others just want a bunch of people not killed and displaced.

Feel free to write another pointless propaganda piece for us Indo, but we’re in the wrong thread mate. Peace……..or continuing war. Which ever you prefer.

While you admire the Jews I prefer to keep my admiration closer to home. 50,000 years makes the Zionist movement seem like a bit of a joke really. But that’s just what I think.

Soggydog. Hi fella.

I love your last statement.

‘While you admire the Jews I prefer to keep my admiration closer to home. 50,000 years makes the Zionist movement seem like a bit of a joke really’.

47,500 (carbon dating upper limit), 50,000 or whatever we think it is of existence and occupation will always be more interesting than that bargain dollar piece of turf at honest John’s car yard right down the east end of the Mediterranean Sea.
‘Have we got a deal for you, check us out’.
AW

soggydog wrote:

50,000 years

yep. Aussie Aboriginals make our country unique in the world. Having their ongoing culture as an reminder that humans have continuously been witnessing and responding to 50k seasons-cycles of this island-continent's staggering geological timeline is a precious gift.

soggydog wrote:

Is it a religion or an ethnicity. I think you’re getting the two confused.

You’ve ticked a few boxes yourself mate.

Your metrics mean nothing and the definition of anti semetic is driven by the Zionist movement which is quite a self serving definition, given the population of the Jewish faith that denounces Zionism. You’ll have another Hasbara pejorative to label them all the while accusing others of being propagandised. News flash mate…..we all have been. Some of us are using that propaganda to justify mass killings (you) others just want a bunch of people not killed and displaced.

Feel free to write another pointless propaganda piece for us Indo, but we’re in the wrong thread mate. Peace……..or continuing war. Which ever you prefer.

While you admire the Jews I prefer to keep my admiration closer to home. 50,000 years makes the Zionist movement seem like a bit of a joke really. But that’s just what I think.

Gold! Great comment.

quadzilla wrote:

The terrorist networks stretch around the world, theres more to come.

https://www.politico.eu/article/russia-vladimir-putin-hijacks-israel-gaz...

This world renown Kimberly Aboriginal rock art (17,000 years ish) Gwion Gwion is the earliest rock art world wide to display human figures just before the rise of Jews...

I focus wrote:

This world renown Kimberly Aboriginal rock art (17,000 years ish) Gwion Gwion is the earliest rock art world wide to display human figures just before the rise of Jews...

I focus. Hi. Beautiful stuff mate.

More the reason to cherish what remains of the oldest human culture on earth.
Just gotta keep the Twiggy and Gina Show at arms length.
Especially. ‘ When There’s A Dollar To Be Made’ (Oils). AW

soggydog wrote:

Your metrics mean nothing and the definition of anti semetic is driven by the Zionist movement which is quite a self serving definition

Nailed it, soggydog. Any opposition to genocidal behaviour and one is labelled antisemitic? GTFO.

AlfredWallace wrote:

I focus. Hi. Beautiful stuff mate.

Yes

https://twa.imgix.net/https%3A%2F%2Fassets.atdw-online.com.au%2Fimages%2...

soggydog wrote:

Is it a religion or an ethnicity. I think you’re getting the two confused.

You’ve ticked a few boxes yourself mate.

Your metrics mean nothing and the definition of anti semetic is driven by the Zionist movement which is quite a self serving definition, given the population of the Jewish faith that denounces Zionism. You’ll have another Hasbara pejorative to label them all the while accusing others of being propagandised. News flash mate…..we all have been. Some of us are using that propaganda to justify mass killings (you) others just want a bunch of people not killed and displaced.

Feel free to write another pointless propaganda piece for us Indo, but we’re in the wrong thread mate. Peace……..or continuing war. Which ever you prefer.

While you admire the Jews I prefer to keep my admiration closer to home. 50,000 years makes the Zionist movement seem like a bit of a joke really. But that’s just what I think.

Yep another box ticked and a classic at that.

And yep your understanding and knowledge of the topic and history is about on the same level as a primary school year old kid.

The suggestion Jews are not an ethnic group and are instead only a religion is a classic way to try to claim Jews have no connection to the land and are instead all just convert's.

It's not that complicated Jews came out of Judea, an ethnic group with their own language, culture and religious beliefs. (very well documented and agreed on by archaeologist, historians, geneticists., etc)

Jews took on the same name as their religion because they were the only ones who practiced it, it was not a religion like Christianity or Islam where the aim is to convert, it was their beliefs only, much like many indigenous groups beliefs.

But today technically speaking there is both Jews as in an ethnic group and jews who are not decedents of Jews but practice Judaism. (although not very common and mostly through marriage)

Of those who are ethnic Jews some still practice Judaism and many dont some are even atheist, including famous or well known Jew's

As an example the punk rock world is full of ethnic Jews that id assume are not religious from Joey Ramone, to Henry Rollins, to Fat mike.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews_in_punk_rock

And yes many i expect have zero interest in their roots, culture, country of origin etc, and not zionist, just like i have no interest in my Dutch heritage, i even worked with a guy who had Australian Indigenous heritage (visually obvious if you saw his mother) yet some of the most racist things ive heard said about Aborigines came out of his mouth.

Of course there is also some that have this idea that the small percentage of Jews by conversion are all flooding back to Israel, which is just ridiculous.

And then of course you get the conspiracy theories about how DNA test are illegal in Israel etc https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/israel-dna-test-illegal/

If you see the attached study paper that is the most extensive DNA study paper ever done in this area, you will see that even the majority of Jews including Ashkenazi Jews in Israel( that only make up 30% of the Jewish population) have Canaanite & levant middle east DNA, Mizrahi Jews(Jews from middle east) actually have pretty much the same DNA as Arabs that identify as Palestinian most of these are just decedents of Jews that at one stage turned to Islam either by choice or to avoid paying Jizya and sadly no longer use an indigenous language or religion and instead adopted Arabic and Islam (both a result of Arab Islamic colonialism from the 7th century onwards that swept through the middle east, Levant, North Africa, etc ) and now see their own people they developed out of as some enemy that must be destroyed through jihad. (of which according to you they should just lie over and let themselves be destroyed)

BTW the only Jewish group in Israel with no DNA link's to the original Jews of Judea are Ethiopian Jews.

"The Genomic History of the Bronze Age Southern Levant"
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0092867420304876

Can we both try to leave it there?

Cause yeah wrong thread.

indo-dreaming wrote:

, i even worked with a guy who had Australian Indigenous heritage (visually obvious if you saw his mother)

Bro, wot? Thats's a real weird thing to say.

indo-dreaming wrote:

Aborigines

Bro, wot's going on down the Island? This is not a term that non-racist people use anymore. Oh, wait...

Ha ha WTF you are on smack dude.

You live up the city dont you?

Maybe instead of sending them an email complaining you can drop in, in person and tell the how racist they are, and please film it so we can all see you making a fool of yourself.

Really i think most terms, Aborigine, Aboriginal, Indigenous Australian, First nation people etc are all acceptable.

Damn i wish i could find it, but about a year back i remembering footage of an Aboriginal lady in central Australia saying she hated it when white fellas used the term Indigenous Australian's or first nattion people her words were something along the line of please dont call us that, we are Aboriginal's or Aborigine's not Indigenous Australians or first nation people, and then went on to explain why she felt that way.

But yeah no doubt there is many different views among themselves, i also watched a doco a few years back on that big private Aboriginal land area/community you need permits and permission to enter, in North SA and they all called Uluru, Ayers rock still which was very surprising and kind of weird to even hear.

BTW. implying im racist while denying an ethic group with thousands of years of history (and own unique language, culture, religion etc) yet somehow dont even exist and in fact are only a religion is kinda rich.

Nice, nuanced, piece by Jenna Price. Covers some ground, and a range of perspectives, from someone with skin in the game, not some halfwit proselytizing.
https://www.theage.com.au/national/more-laws-won-t-stop-hate-speech-but-...

Jeez you love to pick outliers like the woman in this footage that you saw, but can't find, to uphold your views, dontcha. So hey, I used your latest method of trying to disprove things,
artificial intelligence! (Allah knows you need it)

From ChatGPT: "Yes, calling Australian First Nations people "Aborigines" is generally considered outdated and insensitive by many in Australia today. While the term was historically used, it has been criticised for its colonial undertones and for being a broad, homogenising label that doesn't accurately reflect the diversity of Australia's First Nations cultures, languages, and peoples."

Or, I could just pull this from https://www.workingwithindigenousaustralians.info/
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say this site has a reasonable level of input from indigenous Australians.

"The term 'Aborigine' was commonly used up until about the 1960s but is now generally regarded as outdated and inappropriate. This is in part because 'Aborigine' is a noun, while 'Aboriginal' is an adjective sometimes employed as a noun. The distinction is important as the term 'Aboriginal' recognises that there are hundreds of diverse Aboriginal groups and languages throughout the nation, not just one mob. 'Aborigine' also has connotations of colonial Australia, and the injustices afflicted upon Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people from that time on."

Note: While knowing what nouns and adjectives are may help in understanding the above paragraph, indo, I think you'll still get the general gist.

Also, the The Aborigines Advancement League has kept its name because of its historical importance and the legacy it holds, so there's that to chew on.

And no, I don't live "up" the city, homeboy.

Well there you go even Aborigine is some how offensive to some these days.

We sure are living in strange times.

blackers wrote:

Nice, nuanced, piece by Jenna Price. Covers some ground, and a range of perspectives, from someone with skin in the game, not some halfwit proselytizing.
https://www.theage.com.au/national/more-laws-won-t-stop-hate-speech-but-...

Article is paywalled, but can be seen here. https://archive.md/20250122110637/https://www.theage.com.au/national/mor...

indo-dreaming wrote:

Well there you go even Aborigine is some how offensive to some these days.

We sure are living in strange times.

What part of you read that and thought, boy, ain't this a crazy old world? I guess it wasn't your progressive side. lol. Should change your handle to 1950's_dreaming

So Indo, sounds like your allegiance is to Israel first and Australia second. I find it odd that a Dutch dude living in Lade da Phillip Island has such a strong affiliation with a religion you’re not a part of in a land you’re not a part of, defending a movement you seem to want to be a part of without leaving the safety of your keyboard. The majority of the world has recognised the genocidal intent of the Israeli government and that’s the train you’ve hitched your wagon to. You are the modern equivalent of a Hitler fan boy. That’s it that’s all.

I’m pretty up to speed with history. You just look for confirmation bias.

And if you want to talk about education. How’s your spelling and punctuation coming along Einstein?

Just checked Indo’s links. While it is not illegal for DNA testing it does require a court order and is heavily restricted for establishing familial ties and no where in the DNA article does it say all people of the Jewish faith are genetically connected to the Bronze Age Canaanites. Quite the omission of information there @misinfo

Most of my DNA is Scottish, then English and Scandinavian with very tiny bit of Jewish according to Ancestory.com.
Can I go and claim someone's home in Edinburgh even though my great grandparents grew up in Oz?

Go back far enough don't all humans share same DNA?

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2025/jan/19/luca-is-the-progenitor-o...

All of Palestine is Israel….always was….for around 4000 years.
The Roman’s trashed the place around 70 AD and scattered the Jews.
It became a wasteland with some remaining as well as bedouins.
In 1920 Israel were given back all of Palestine by the then UN League of Nations.
They were to own it again and govern it.
The Arabs got the other 99% of the Middle East.
Some Arabs stayed in Palestine but were under the governance of Israel.
Britain was placed in charge by the UN and made a mess of the re settlement as they do.
Chaos followed when Islamic Arab protests softened Britains approach to the Jewish re settlement back to their homeland.
British politician cowards not doing their job properly.
Since the San Remo conference in 1920 it’s been a mess, but in the end Israel is the legal owner of Palestine and that can not be overturned as it was signed off on by the entire world including all the Arab states.
Genuine Arab people know the history of Israel and their land boundaries.
Many Arabs including Muslim Arabs honour the deal and live happily in Israel, get full citizen services healthcare,, pensions, serve in the army etc etc.
There are even Arab judges in the courts.
Which is why people like Wong and Albo bewilder me as they don’t even know the history and the legal ownership of Palestine….or do they.
A two state solution is nonsense as the land palestinia is all legally Israel.
Islam has 99% of the Middle East to move to and live in with their fellow brothers.
They also have Gaza ( philistinia) which could be a paradise by the sea if they would behave themselves and be good neighbours.
It must be all about Islamic votes in Australia as nothing else makes sense…
Fact checking by protesters seems also a thing of the past.
If people fired non stop rockets at Australia we would come out swinging as well.