Next Federal Election

velocityjohnno wrote:

So many of Canada's charts, and the charts' underlying themes, presented here are similar for Australia in the same time period:

https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2025/01/justin-trudeau-to-resign-rather...

"Put simply, Justin Trudeau’s Liberal Government has destroyed Canadian living standards and deserves everything that is coming to it."

Joke of the year so far last night.Albosleezy said Labor will continue is good work if re elected...THEN he said a Dutton led Coalition would make everything more expensive.

The bloke is in fantasy land!But has the "coastie" lifestyle to look forward to soon!

quadzilla wrote:

velocityjohnno wrote:

So many of Canada's charts, and the charts' underlying themes, presented here are similar for Australia in the same time period:

https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2025/01/justin-trudeau-to-resign-rather...

"Put simply, Justin Trudeau’s Liberal Government has destroyed Canadian living standards and deserves everything that is coming to it."

Joke of the year so far last night.Albosleezy said Labor will continue is good work if re elected...THEN he said a Dutton led Coalition would make everything more expensive.

The bloke is in fantasy land!But has the "coastie" lifestyle to look forward to soon!

So who would you recommend voting for?

velocityjohnno wrote:

So many of Canada's charts, and the charts' underlying themes, presented here are similar for Australia in the same time period:

https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2025/01/justin-trudeau-to-resign-rather...

"Put simply, Justin Trudeau’s Liberal Government has destroyed Canadian living standards and deserves everything that is coming to it."

Hi vj,

Yes there are remarkable similarities between Canada and Australia over the last 12 years or so.

LVO would have everyone believe it's all Labor's fault here, despite the LNP holding power for nine of the last twelve years. I've pointed this out to him on numerous occasions but he just keeps on forgetting to mention it.

Cheers!

AndyM wrote:

quadzilla wrote:

velocityjohnno wrote:

So many of Canada's charts, and the charts' underlying themes, presented here are similar for Australia in the same time period:

https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2025/01/justin-trudeau-to-resign-rather...

"Put simply, Justin Trudeau’s Liberal Government has destroyed Canadian living standards and deserves everything that is coming to it."

Joke of the year so far last night.Albosleezy said Labor will continue is good work if re elected...THEN he said a Dutton led Coalition would make everything more expensive.

The bloke is in fantasy land!But has the "coastie" lifestyle to look forward to soon!

So who would you recommend voting for?

Hi AndyM,

The loss of 3 seats will see Labor lose it's majority in the Lower House, however the LNP need to win 21 seats to take a majority.

Winning 21 seats is not impossible but I'd put my money on a Labor/Greens/Independants alliance (for better or worse, I'm not sure).

Cheers.

Agreed Salty, I think Labor will cobble together some sort of minority government if/when it comes to it.
Pundits have speculated for a few years now that eventually Labor and the Greens will formalise some sort of power sharing or coalition, and late last year Adam Bandt went public with that.
It hasn't happened yet but there's a real good chance of it, it might even be inevitable.
As is often mentioned, support for the two majors has been steadily sliding for decades and I'm sure Labor has contingency plans.

But I'm curious to know who Quadzilla would vote for especially if he wants to make things more affordable.
The LNP, stalwarts of neoliberalism, privitisation and class warfare?
I know he's got a pathological issue with Albanese but what's his alternative?

A vote for the LNP is a vote to continue with coal fired power stations for decades. Dutton will never bring in his nuclear power if elected, it’s simply a diversion from what he really wants and that is to keep coal burning . I expect the big G and the big C to throw a ton of money at his campaign, along with support from the media .

AndyM wrote:

Agreed Salty, I think Labor will cobble together some sort of minority government if/when it comes to it.
Pundits have speculated for a few years now that eventually Labor and the Greens will formalise some sort of power sharing or coalition, and late last year Adam Bandt went public with that.
It hasn't happened yet but there's a real good chance of it, it might even be inevitable.
As is often mentioned, support for the two majors has been steadily sliding for decades and I'm sure Labor has contingency plans.

But I'm curious to know who Quadzilla would vote for especially if he wants to make things more affordable.
The LNP, stalwarts of neoliberalism, privitisation and class warfare?
I know he's got a pathological issue with Albanese but what's his alternative?

In my opinion, the Greens would have to pull their heads in and establish contact with the real world.

They would also demand a senior ministerial position (or two!) which would make the above requirements mandatory.

Supafreak wrote:

A vote for the LNP is a vote to continue with coal fired power stations for decades. Dutton will never bring in his nuclear power if elected, it’s simply a diversion from what he really wants and that is to keep coal burning . I expect the big G and the big C to throw a ton of money at his campaign, along with support from the media .

Hi SF,

Christopher Pyne has an article in today's Age. I can't access it but I suspect he has the same sentiment.

Cheers

Supafreak wrote:

A vote for the LNP is a vote to continue with coal fired power stations for decades. Dutton will never bring in his nuclear power if elected, it’s simply a diversion from what he really wants and that is to keep coal burning . I expect the big G and the big C to throw a ton of money at his campaign, along with support from the media .

That's nonsense, coal fired power stations in Australia all have very fast approaching decommission dates, no matter who is in power they will be used as long as needed but there are limits on how long they can stay open, the difference's aren't going to be huge in when they close no matter who is in power.

And no matter who is in power solar & wind will continue a steady take up and generally be market driven.

And no matter who is power gas will be used to support wind and solar this is what will replace coals role to support renewables.

And no matter who is in power in years to come we are going to have serious issue's with energy security and we will be very reliant on gas for a long time to take up the slack.

I guess at that point LNP will be able to say, we did want nuclear as part of the mix and weren't the ones that pushed so hard on this mess with some dream or myth that batteries will save the day.

Coal exports are more important than onshore coal power plant use and both parties support coal exports as long as demand is there.

Seems to be a bit of a pattern here, all resigned before the next election, avoiding blow outs

Jacinda in NZ
Biden in US
Trudea in Canada

indo-dreaming wrote:

Seems to be a bit of a pattern here, all resigned before the next election, avoiding blow outs

Jacinda in NZ
Biden in US
Trudea in Canada

Biden hasnt resigned , going full term and set the record as worst leader in their history like TrueDumb and JustEmpty(headed).

AlboSleezy is favourite to be Australia's worst ever PM,cant give him that award until he has gone.Hes done really well to better Keating and Rudd who were both crap ,Albo smells worse.Still; cant run a pub chook raffle!

velocityjohnno wrote:

Here is Bari Weiss of the Free Press describing what is going down in Western politics as Trudeau exits before judgement at the polls. The final conclusion may be written by her Canadian reporter (hard to tell, just asterisks dividing the texts) Rupa Subramanya:

"What’s happening in Canadian politics is not happening in a vacuum. It is a symptom of a much broader phenomenon. Call it the great crack-up of the old consensus.

The old consensus held that immigration was an absolute good, with multiculturalism the end goal. Arguments contrary to progressive social attitudes was “disinformation” that must be combated by robust online censorship. People would quickly adjust to massive changes in social attitudes around sex and gender because objections would be seen as bigoted. And anyone who said anything that questioned the consensus would become a pariah.

This consensus is being rejected across the West. Donald Trump won the presidency by building a multiracial, working-class coalition that had little affection for the progressive activists who supposedly spoke for them. In Italy, Giorgia Meloni—who launched her political career on the far-right—now leads perhaps the most stable country in Western Europe. In Britain, Labour’s Keir Starmer was able to wrest control of Downing Street after 14 years of Conservative rule, largely because Conservatives had not delivered on immigration restrictions. Nigel Farage’s anti-immigration Reform UK party is now ascendant there, in large part because of his muscular stance against Islamism and immigration.

Austria just elected its most right-wing government since the end of World War II. And Germany, once the heart of the old consensus under Chancellor Angela Merkel, is still dealing with the fallout with her 2015 decision to accept roughly a million asylum-seekers from the Middle East. The hard-right AfD is now poised to become the second largest party in Germany’s parliament in next month’s election.

There are certain things that simply can’t be wished away. Things like Islamic fundamentalism, the societal downsides of mass immigration, rising crime, and stagnant economics. Trudeau—who, in a fit of desperation late last year, tried to reverse his immigration policies—learned these lessons too late. He is the latest casualty of the great crack-up. But he will not be the last."

https://www.thefp.com/p/bari-weiss-canada-the-comprehensive-failure-of-j...

The important part to get out of this succinct summary (add: French government chaos) is that it seems to be an ongoing trend, consistent with voter backlash at the results of progressive policies over the last decade or more in the West (eg: Rotherham). There have been many of us on these forums who've been bringing up the issues over this time. It's a strange feeling that finally it's mainstream in public thought, and we are seeing quite a bit of turbulence as the old ideas get turfed.

Salty, I know you love ALP and will focus on an LVO link, so this one above comes from a very different source. Good point though that Lib didn't change any of it - perhaps their supporters benefited from cheap labour - and in the UK the Tories did not seem reverse the policy/institutional slant with regards to the fallout of the rape grooming gangs.

My pet theory is Australia lags the rest by a cycle - even if Lab gives way to Lib here in the next election, Lib seems to have shied away from confronting the immigration issue (meeting with educational/migration groups for example) - so things will have to intensify in chaos before we reach the snapping point people in other western nations are at now.

Hi vj,
Thanks for that.

I’m sure every political commentator, economist and social observer has their view on the current situation and they all have a point. However, this issue is not restricted to the left or the right: governments of all colours are responsible, but there are sections of the media who will have you believe it is a problem created solely by the left. And they have a large audience who want to believe it.

In my view, we have too many people trying to eke out a living on a planet which is becoming overcrowded. The prospect of a better life elsewhere and an economic model based on consumption, means most governments are willing to on take those wishing to make a new life. Add in the issues of race, culture and assimilation (when in Rome do as the Romans do) and you have all the ingredients for dissent. And that dissent has largely come in the form of the rise of the far right. Given their history any shift towards those extremes must be avoided.

You are correct: Australia is behind the rest of the world in this regard, which gives us some time to take action, but the agitators are out and about, making their presence felt. However, despite the popular adage “She’ll be right, mate”, unless our major parties find common ground and work together, a viable solution may be a long time coming.

Finally, it’s not that I love the ALP, but most of the issues we face today are a result of LNP policy. When I point this out to people, they will endlessly dispute or ignore the facts. LVO and Barrie would have you believe it’s all the fault of the ALP, and I will continue to point out where they are wrong.

But the ALP, who have made their fair share of mistakes can do better, and they can start by growing a set.

Cheers.

I’m a bit surprised spud hasn’t started flogging the enron egg , that’s sure to be an election winner .

Supafreak wrote:

A vote for the LNP is a vote to continue with coal fired power stations for decades. Dutton will never bring in his nuclear power if elected, it’s simply a diversion from what he really wants and that is to keep coal burning . I expect the big G and the big C to throw a ton of money at his campaign, along with support from the media .

Are you referring to Gina Reinhart? Is she the big G or the big C?

MidWestMonger wrote:

Supafreak wrote:

A vote for the LNP is a vote to continue with coal fired power stations for decades. Dutton will never bring in his nuclear power if elected, it’s simply a diversion from what he really wants and that is to keep coal burning . I expect the big G and the big C to throw a ton of money at his campaign, along with support from the media .

Are you referring to Gina Reinhart? Is she the big G or the big C?

G for gina C for clive

Supafreak wrote:

MidWestMonger wrote:

Supafreak wrote:

A vote for the LNP is a vote to continue with coal fired power stations for decades. Dutton will never bring in his nuclear power if elected, it’s simply a diversion from what he really wants and that is to keep coal burning . I expect the big G and the big C to throw a ton of money at his campaign, along with support from the media .

Are you referring to Gina Reinhart? Is she the big G or the big C?

G for gina C for clive

Copy that. Yes, Clive is a massive C

velocityjohnno wrote:

Here is Bari Weiss of the Free Press describing what is going down in Western politics as Trudeau exits before judgement at the polls. The final conclusion may be written by her Canadian reporter (hard to tell, just asterisks dividing the texts) Rupa Subramanya:

"What’s happening in Canadian politics is not happening in a vacuum. It is a symptom of a much broader phenomenon. Call it the great crack-up of the old consensus.

The old consensus held that immigration was an absolute good, with multiculturalism the end goal. Arguments contrary to progressive social attitudes was “disinformation” that must be combated by robust online censorship. People would quickly adjust to massive changes in social attitudes around sex and gender because objections would be seen as bigoted. And anyone who said anything that questioned the consensus would become a pariah.

This consensus is being rejected across the West. Donald Trump won the presidency by building a multiracial, working-class coalition that had little affection for the progressive activists who supposedly spoke for them. In Italy, Giorgia Meloni—who launched her political career on the far-right—now leads perhaps the most stable country in Western Europe. In Britain, Labour’s Keir Starmer was able to wrest control of Downing Street after 14 years of Conservative rule, largely because Conservatives had not delivered on immigration restrictions. Nigel Farage’s anti-immigration Reform UK party is now ascendant there, in large part because of his muscular stance against Islamism and immigration.

Austria just elected its most right-wing government since the end of World War II. And Germany, once the heart of the old consensus under Chancellor Angela Merkel, is still dealing with the fallout with her 2015 decision to accept roughly a million asylum-seekers from the Middle East. The hard-right AfD is now poised to become the second largest party in Germany’s parliament in next month’s election.

There are certain things that simply can’t be wished away. Things like Islamic fundamentalism, the societal downsides of mass immigration, rising crime, and stagnant economics. Trudeau—who, in a fit of desperation late last year, tried to reverse his immigration policies—learned these lessons too late. He is the latest casualty of the great crack-up. But he will not be the last."

https://www.thefp.com/p/bari-weiss-canada-the-comprehensive-failure-of-j...

The important part to get out of this succinct summary (add: French government chaos) is that it seems to be an ongoing trend, consistent with voter backlash at the results of progressive policies over the last decade or more in the West (eg: Rotherham). There have been many of us on these forums who've been bringing up the issues over this time. It's a strange feeling that finally it's mainstream in public thought, and we are seeing quite a bit of turbulence as the old ideas get turfed.

Salty, I know you love ALP and will focus on an LVO link, so this one above comes from a very different source. Good point though that Lib didn't change any of it - perhaps their supporters benefited from cheap labour - and in the UK the Tories did not seem reverse the policy/institutional slant with regards to the fallout of the rape grooming gangs.

My pet theory is Australia lags the rest by a cycle - even if Lab gives way to Lib here in the next election, Lib seems to have shied away from confronting the immigration issue (meeting with educational/migration groups for example) - so things will have to intensify in chaos before we reach the snapping point people in other western nations are at now.

There has been a big shift in Europe to true right wing governments UK escaped this as conservative's were in power for over a decade.

There is definitely a link between uncontrolled immigration and social issues caused and this shift.

USA i think is similar with their border issues.

But is the shift in Canada and NZ the same?

Im not sure, they dont really have those same immigration issues do they?

But both leaders were very left wing, i think to much so for most people.

I do agree Aust is different, like i said the other day, i think we handled the illegal immigration issue in the past much better than Europe or USA (big help us being an Island)

But yeah clearly we have every growing social issues bubbling away just from immigration is general.