Vaccinate or not

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Supafreak started the topic in Tuesday, 24 Nov 2020 at 6:20pm

I was a little shocked at Alan Joyce (CEO Qantas) announcement that international travelers will be required to have a covid 19 vaccination in order to travel on Qantas flights . The government wanted to have mandatory vaccination but after the bumbling of its release ( it was painful to watch the delivery of that announcement ) they withdrew the mandatory part but it seems Qantas and other business may demand a vaccination in order to use their services. I’m not anti vaccine by any means I just don’t trust this government or a vaccine that has been rushed through. A jab followed by another jab followed by yearly jabs doesn’t sit well with me as I have never had a flu shot or the flu for more than 20 years. Plus I don’t want to give this shot to my healthy 4 year old daughter. She is up to date with all her vaccinations but this covid vaccine is new and not being around for decades like the others. Tuberculosis remains the number one as far diseases go and you don’t need proof of vaccination to travel so what is going on ?

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AndyM Thursday, 29 Aug 2024 at 9:17am

Oh yeah, you’re the guy whose brain has been eaten by a parasitic worm.

Makes sense.

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AndyM Thursday, 29 Aug 2024 at 10:09am
burleigh wrote:
AndyM wrote:

What the fuck does "necessary" even mean in this context??

How about -

The rationale for the Hep B birth dose for all newborn infants is to prevent:

1. vertical transmission from a mother with chronic hepatitis B, recognising that there may be errors or delays in maternal testing, reporting, communication or appropriate response

2. horizontal transmission to the infant in the first months of life from people with chronic hepatitis B who are household or other close contacts

Newborns should receive the birth dose as soon as they are medically stable, and preferably within 24 hours of birth, but the vaccine can be given within the first 7 days of life. Ideally the vaccine is given before the baby is discharged from the obstetric hospital or delivery unit.

Look at the language Burls.

Rationale not necessity.
Should not must.
Can not must.
Ideally.

Your fixation on whether it is "necessary" is missing the point.

We're talking about risk reduction, and the evidence of vaccinations reducing the risk of illness, hospitalisation and death is massive, overwhelming, irrefutable.

irrefutable has a stronger meaning than necessary.

You’ve said a lot of words but not much context.

It’s just words mate. Googled words

What about the seatbelt analogy Burls?
Is it "necessary" to wear a seatbelt all the time?
Ignoring legalities, it's not physically necessary but there's a very good chance that it could come in extremely handy at some point.
Ounce of prevention is better than a pound of cure etc etc.
Surely this makes sense?

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burleigh Thursday, 29 Aug 2024 at 10:10am
AndyM wrote:
burleigh wrote:
AndyM wrote:

What the fuck does "necessary" even mean in this context??

How about -

The rationale for the Hep B birth dose for all newborn infants is to prevent:

1. vertical transmission from a mother with chronic hepatitis B, recognising that there may be errors or delays in maternal testing, reporting, communication or appropriate response

2. horizontal transmission to the infant in the first months of life from people with chronic hepatitis B who are household or other close contacts

Newborns should receive the birth dose as soon as they are medically stable, and preferably within 24 hours of birth, but the vaccine can be given within the first 7 days of life. Ideally the vaccine is given before the baby is discharged from the obstetric hospital or delivery unit.

Look at the language Burls.

Rationale not necessity.
Should not must.
Can not must.
Ideally.

Your fixation on whether it is "necessary" is missing the point.

We're talking about risk reduction, and the evidence of vaccinations reducing the risk of illness, hospitalisation and death is massive, overwhelming, irrefutable.

irrefutable has a stronger meaning than necessary.

You’ve said a lot of words but not much context.

It’s just words mate. Googled words

What about the seatbelt analogy Burls?
Is it "necessary" to wear a seatbelt all the time?
Ignoring legalities, it's not physically necessary but there's a very good chance that it could come in extremely handy at some point.
Ounce of prevention is better than a pound of cure etc etc.
Surely this makes sense?

It’s more like you justifying wearing a mask inside your car.

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AndyM Thursday, 29 Aug 2024 at 10:28am

Sounds like you can't see the potential benefits of wearing a seatbelt.

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burleigh Thursday, 29 Aug 2024 at 10:34am
AndyM wrote:

Sounds like you can't see the potential benefits of wearing a seatbelt.

You sound like you would wear a mask inside your car while driving down the highway alone.

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AndyM Thursday, 29 Aug 2024 at 10:58am

More fool me for thinking that we might have something resembling a rational conversation.

Catch ya Burls, hope you get in the water today.

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seeds Thursday, 29 Aug 2024 at 11:18am

How’d you do

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AndyM Thursday, 29 Aug 2024 at 2:31pm
seeds wrote:

How’d you do

Quite sure I didn't make a dent! :)

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Richard Cheese Tuesday, 3 Sep 2024 at 5:46am
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burleigh Tuesday, 3 Sep 2024 at 12:48pm
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rj-davey Wednesday, 4 Sep 2024 at 10:27am
burleigh wrote:

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C_bY_V3t1VH/?igsh=MmJxdmp5bDRycTZ1

Hope Kansas nail em.

Fascinates me the uptick in general vaccine hesitancy these days being blamed on right wingers and conspiracy theorists during covid. Surely the blame lies squarely at the feet of the very companies who produced them and peddled the porky pies, comfortable (or so they thought) standing behind wholesale government indemnities. Incidentally an indemnity shared by the GPs we were also told to unequivocally trust.

"Fool me once" adage predictably coming home to roost.

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udo Wednesday, 4 Sep 2024 at 10:42am

Can you Dig it . . .
Chakras ... Third eye ....illusions . . .
omfg

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Richard Cheese Thursday, 5 Sep 2024 at 10:26am

"When a silent weapon is applied gradually, the public adjusts/adapts to its presence and learns to tolerate its encroachment on their lives until the pressure (psychological via economic) becomes too great and they crack up. Therefore, the silent weapon is a type of biological warfare. It attacks the vitality, options, and mobility of the individuals of a society by knowing, understanding, manipulating, and attacking their sources of natural and social energy, and their physical, mental, and emotional strengths and weaknesses"

https://theglobalelite.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/silent-weapons-for...

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nevertuold Sunday, 15 Sep 2024 at 9:38pm
udo wrote:

https://www.instagram.com/p/C_FlFRty9uK/

oh yay their finally getting it. Stay tuned things are just heating up.

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seeds Sunday, 15 Sep 2024 at 9:58pm

Isn’t that image related to skin cancer?
#nevertuoldtobestupid