Slater's square barrel in the final is something else.
yorkessurferMonday, 16 Dec 2013 at 10:38am
So how do I watch the highlights video? Ive clicked on the link above? Do I have to download something? Pardon my ignorance.
stunetMonday, 16 Dec 2013 at 11:02am
Not exactly sure what's happening YS. Must be a browser related issue as I can see that many people are watching the video. Try on another browser? (Safari, Chrome, Firefox etc.)
braithyMonday, 16 Dec 2013 at 11:05am
You got the latest Flash update YS?
I needed the latest update on the weekend to watch vimeo.
yorkessurferMonday, 16 Dec 2013 at 11:10am
Just using safari on my iphone3 so dunno if I need an update . Pretty clueless on such stuff unfortunately;(
thermalbenMonday, 16 Dec 2013 at 11:19am
Ah, that's probably the issue - using fifty year old technology YS. Time for an upgrade!
upliftMonday, 16 Dec 2013 at 11:33am
Yorker, you might actually be watching it without realising it, if its on the first 20 -25 mins, (that's three quarters) of the final. Nothing, except a 'bobbing sit off' actually happened then. A set did come through during that time, but the surfers had 'cross bobbed' each other out of position.
Like going to the AFL Grand final and for the first three quarters the players were involved in a rivetting 'stand off.' Standing around, standing up, standing down, side standing, back standing etc, etc. Maybe the ump actually bounced the ball once or twice, but the players ignored it, in a further steely 'standathon'. I'm sure the fans would love it, and the commentators and footy media would be hyping the the thing up as a 'stand out' event, so to speak.
Of course maybe I am talking shit, and maybe heaps happened during the first 'amasing,' rivetting 20 - 25 minutes of the 'amasing,' propelling final, and I just happened to miss it. If so a replay of the first 20 -25 minutes, or three quarters of the 'best, most amasing final for years', highlighting the amasing happenings would quickly clear things up.
carpetmanMonday, 16 Dec 2013 at 11:37am
Yeah, that Slater barrel is one of the best waves I've seen in competition. Absolutely amazing.
He's probably got a bruised back from the spit!
memlasurfMonday, 16 Dec 2013 at 11:41am
Yep that take off of Slaters was ridiculous he and John x 2 were the best surfers in the comp. Miguel's was the most perfect wave though almost like the Lopez of the 70's. Well done Mick what an effort considering some churlish individuals bag him. He got smashed in the 5th round only making 2 waves I think (the only ones he needed) then turned around and did it again in the quarters. The guy is one hell of a competitor, surfer and seems a reasonably guy.
Tellinit HowitisMonday, 16 Dec 2013 at 11:42am
Soooo... Slater won the Final. Here's a question: Who's the rightful 2013 World Champion?
stunetMonday, 16 Dec 2013 at 11:59am
Well, if it was a one comp world championship like they used to have in the 60s and early 70s, and Pipe is that one comp, then Kelly.
If it's a year long circuit that covers various styles of waves with accumulated points that count toward the world championship, then Mick Fanning.
Odd question tho'...
ZooomingMonday, 16 Dec 2013 at 12:12pm
While Mick may have been consistent - KS was simply outstanding.
mothartMonday, 16 Dec 2013 at 12:41pm
Hey dip, just watched the highlights on the ASP website with an old iPhone, worth a watch.
kaiserMonday, 16 Dec 2013 at 2:13pm
So Stu, you're comfortable with Yaden's 9.33, and then Mick's 9.7?
I watched the head judge guy (Richie Porte?) give his explanation as they did a split screen, and he did not make a compelling case at all.
Kelly summed it up best. In order to give him the score, the judges had to be convinced it was the best wave of the heat. That, in my very humble opinion, it was not.
stunetMonday, 16 Dec 2013 at 3:07pm
Comfortable with it? Yeah, I guess so. Although if it went the other way I'd probably be comfortable with that too.
When it first happened I thought he didn't get the score, first impressions told me it was too small and a relatively simple barrel. Yet last night I watched it again and tried to look at it objectively, and after that I changed my mind.
It was a big wave, every bit as big as Yadin's, plus the delayed bottom turn to mid-face stall was stylish and critical, and lastly the barrel was more technical than Yadin's.
It was a hairline call, could've gone either way, but I'm not railing against the result.
Tellinit HowitisMonday, 16 Dec 2013 at 4:56pm
This is precisely what I was referring to. Apologies if my comment was ambiguous.
There was a lot riding on that Call to put Mick through to the Semi's. Had they not put Mick through (which seems highly contentious), then Kelly would be the 2013 World Champ.
I've seen Richie Porta in the judging room, and on occasions I have seen him overrule 5 judges and insist they fall in line with his 'suggestion'. That one simple call stopped Yadin in his tracks; awarded Mick the 2013 World Championship; and denied Kelly the World Championship.
I personally believe there should be discussion around this. Was the call wrong? A pivotal call that like should have some discussion. 90% of immediate feedback suggests that it was Yadin's heat.
stunetMonday, 16 Dec 2013 at 5:06pm
Tellinit Howitis wrote:
Had they not put Mick through then Kelly would be the 2013 World Champ.
Really? You're peering a long way into parallel universes here, TH.
yorkessurferMonday, 16 Dec 2013 at 3:29pm
Thanks moth will check it out. I agree stunet the more times I watched Fanning's winning wave from different angles I think it was worthy. He rode It technically perfect the way he faded and then was sooo deep and it was a beatiful section. Anyone knows that a bigger wave doesn't always translate to a bigger score. Good on him!
blindboyMonday, 16 Dec 2013 at 3:36pm
The current judging system uses a 100 point scale. I think this is way beyond consistent interpretation. If the judges cannot consistently distinguish waves at the 0.1pt level then they are kidding themselves using that wide a spread. From what I have observed, and this could be analysed statistically, they average about a 0.5pt spread which means the judges are working reliably on a 20 point scale.
The current system produces clear numerical results when the actual result is highly questionable, as in the case under discussion. If a statistical analysis confirmed what I have said then the ASP would have to seriously consider a 20pt scale with a third wave as a tie breaker, or some other valid and reliable system.......or go ahead knowing their results in close heats would continue to be more or less random.
kaiserMonday, 16 Dec 2013 at 3:39pm
I hear ya, although I reckon Yadin's was a more critical wave, which was technical from the get-go. Mick's was a 2nd reef re-form that gave him a lot of time to work out his plan of attack. Agree the degree of fade and precision of stall were technical, but i reckon the number of adjustments and quick thinking involved in Yadin's gave it the tick for me.
Kelly, who usually measures his words better than all of them, made a blunder when he announced that if he wins pipe and the title, he'll hang up the gloves. From there, the only reward for the ASP/ZoSea venture is if Mick finds a way to win.
Is there any more subjective a sport? It's gotta be the only one where the competitors are by virtue on different playing fields (waves) and they need to somehow judge it relative to each other.
kerry1Monday, 16 Dec 2013 at 4:01pm
Mick Fanning, what a gentleman and caring person his new movie proves it. Congrats mate World Champion #3. Well done son and go the Panthers. As for Kelly there is nothing else that can be said about this man. the best record that puts him on top of all time elite as the best surfer in the world and when he retires(God forbid for a few years yet) Kelly will be known as once the best surfer in the world on the circuit and still is the best surfer in the world well into retirement. I take all my hats of to you Kelly Slater as a surfer and as a great human being.
kerry1Monday, 16 Dec 2013 at 3:50pm
Now that all this has been said. Lets see when and if Kelly does retire after the next two years. the Aussie pros will take over the Circuit!! Lets Hope so!
kerry1Monday, 16 Dec 2013 at 4:02pm
Yes that Slater wave was very critical 1 sec into the take off. His board felt air halfway down before he grabbed his rail to bring it around. WHOA!!! Any other surfer might have eaten it at that very second. Just saw Kai Otten wave!!! Lost control a little on the take off, regained but too late to pull into the wave a little higher up. Board was at least 2 feet too low on the face. Kai would have been taken for a watery ride on that one. DID HIS BOARD SNAP? I am guessing it did?!
thermalbenMonday, 16 Dec 2013 at 4:46pm
Check this drop of Kai Otton! Didn't even make the highlight reels.
Sitting in Perth airport right now watching the highlights from above, missed it all :( at work due to streaming crap, fucken Woodside,
Wow....! Amazing waves for a final showdown.
Will have to catch up with the heat analysis? Tomorrow.
I still can't get past the waves surfed at Cloudbreak Fiji Volcom Pro, that was better IMO, everyone has a different view of looking outside of the square, circle, triangle and the barrel.
yocalMonday, 16 Dec 2013 at 11:08pm
pretty clear cut win by Mick if you ask me. Mick's wave was a second reef bomb and you could see him tackling the foamball deep in the early stages. They definitely score bigger, better waves higher, and rightly so if they are ridden deep.
Yadin's was only on first reef, nice deep long line, fought with the foamball only right at the end before he got spat out from what I could see.
I'm sold on it.
andromeda242Saturday, 21 Dec 2013 at 5:31pm
I was at the pipe that day wjth my two sons and was so blessed to to witness it . Mick deserved it he never gave up . John John and kelly also so deserved there respective titles tripple crown and pipe masters victory . Surfing history happened that day ..period . Never will the memories fade away .I agree with YOCALS comments to the max...
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Slater's square barrel in the final is something else.
So how do I watch the highlights video? Ive clicked on the link above? Do I have to download something? Pardon my ignorance.
Not exactly sure what's happening YS. Must be a browser related issue as I can see that many people are watching the video. Try on another browser? (Safari, Chrome, Firefox etc.)
You got the latest Flash update YS?
I needed the latest update on the weekend to watch vimeo.
Just using safari on my iphone3 so dunno if I need an update . Pretty clueless on such stuff unfortunately;(
Ah, that's probably the issue - using fifty year old technology YS. Time for an upgrade!
Yorker, you might actually be watching it without realising it, if its on the first 20 -25 mins, (that's three quarters) of the final. Nothing, except a 'bobbing sit off' actually happened then. A set did come through during that time, but the surfers had 'cross bobbed' each other out of position.
Like going to the AFL Grand final and for the first three quarters the players were involved in a rivetting 'stand off.' Standing around, standing up, standing down, side standing, back standing etc, etc. Maybe the ump actually bounced the ball once or twice, but the players ignored it, in a further steely 'standathon'. I'm sure the fans would love it, and the commentators and footy media would be hyping the the thing up as a 'stand out' event, so to speak.
Of course maybe I am talking shit, and maybe heaps happened during the first 'amasing,' rivetting 20 - 25 minutes of the 'amasing,' propelling final, and I just happened to miss it. If so a replay of the first 20 -25 minutes, or three quarters of the 'best, most amasing final for years', highlighting the amasing happenings would quickly clear things up.
Yeah, that Slater barrel is one of the best waves I've seen in competition. Absolutely amazing.
He's probably got a bruised back from the spit!
Yep that take off of Slaters was ridiculous he and John x 2 were the best surfers in the comp. Miguel's was the most perfect wave though almost like the Lopez of the 70's. Well done Mick what an effort considering some churlish individuals bag him. He got smashed in the 5th round only making 2 waves I think (the only ones he needed) then turned around and did it again in the quarters. The guy is one hell of a competitor, surfer and seems a reasonably guy.
Soooo... Slater won the Final. Here's a question: Who's the rightful 2013 World Champion?
Well, if it was a one comp world championship like they used to have in the 60s and early 70s, and Pipe is that one comp, then Kelly.
If it's a year long circuit that covers various styles of waves with accumulated points that count toward the world championship, then Mick Fanning.
Odd question tho'...
While Mick may have been consistent - KS was simply outstanding.
Hey dip, just watched the highlights on the ASP website with an old iPhone, worth a watch.
So Stu, you're comfortable with Yaden's 9.33, and then Mick's 9.7?
I watched the head judge guy (Richie Porte?) give his explanation as they did a split screen, and he did not make a compelling case at all.
Kelly summed it up best. In order to give him the score, the judges had to be convinced it was the best wave of the heat. That, in my very humble opinion, it was not.
Comfortable with it? Yeah, I guess so. Although if it went the other way I'd probably be comfortable with that too.
When it first happened I thought he didn't get the score, first impressions told me it was too small and a relatively simple barrel. Yet last night I watched it again and tried to look at it objectively, and after that I changed my mind.
It was a big wave, every bit as big as Yadin's, plus the delayed bottom turn to mid-face stall was stylish and critical, and lastly the barrel was more technical than Yadin's.
It was a hairline call, could've gone either way, but I'm not railing against the result.
This is precisely what I was referring to. Apologies if my comment was ambiguous.
There was a lot riding on that Call to put Mick through to the Semi's. Had they not put Mick through (which seems highly contentious), then Kelly would be the 2013 World Champ.
I've seen Richie Porta in the judging room, and on occasions I have seen him overrule 5 judges and insist they fall in line with his 'suggestion'. That one simple call stopped Yadin in his tracks; awarded Mick the 2013 World Championship; and denied Kelly the World Championship.
I personally believe there should be discussion around this. Was the call wrong? A pivotal call that like should have some discussion. 90% of immediate feedback suggests that it was Yadin's heat.
Really? You're peering a long way into parallel universes here, TH.
Thanks moth will check it out. I agree stunet the more times I watched Fanning's winning wave from different angles I think it was worthy. He rode It technically perfect the way he faded and then was sooo deep and it was a beatiful section. Anyone knows that a bigger wave doesn't always translate to a bigger score. Good on him!
The current judging system uses a 100 point scale. I think this is way beyond consistent interpretation. If the judges cannot consistently distinguish waves at the 0.1pt level then they are kidding themselves using that wide a spread. From what I have observed, and this could be analysed statistically, they average about a 0.5pt spread which means the judges are working reliably on a 20 point scale.
The current system produces clear numerical results when the actual result is highly questionable, as in the case under discussion. If a statistical analysis confirmed what I have said then the ASP would have to seriously consider a 20pt scale with a third wave as a tie breaker, or some other valid and reliable system.......or go ahead knowing their results in close heats would continue to be more or less random.
I hear ya, although I reckon Yadin's was a more critical wave, which was technical from the get-go. Mick's was a 2nd reef re-form that gave him a lot of time to work out his plan of attack. Agree the degree of fade and precision of stall were technical, but i reckon the number of adjustments and quick thinking involved in Yadin's gave it the tick for me.
Kelly, who usually measures his words better than all of them, made a blunder when he announced that if he wins pipe and the title, he'll hang up the gloves. From there, the only reward for the ASP/ZoSea venture is if Mick finds a way to win.
Is there any more subjective a sport? It's gotta be the only one where the competitors are by virtue on different playing fields (waves) and they need to somehow judge it relative to each other.
Mick Fanning, what a gentleman and caring person his new movie proves it. Congrats mate World Champion #3. Well done son and go the Panthers. As for Kelly there is nothing else that can be said about this man. the best record that puts him on top of all time elite as the best surfer in the world and when he retires(God forbid for a few years yet) Kelly will be known as once the best surfer in the world on the circuit and still is the best surfer in the world well into retirement. I take all my hats of to you Kelly Slater as a surfer and as a great human being.
Now that all this has been said. Lets see when and if Kelly does retire after the next two years. the Aussie pros will take over the Circuit!! Lets Hope so!
Yes that Slater wave was very critical 1 sec into the take off. His board felt air halfway down before he grabbed his rail to bring it around. WHOA!!! Any other surfer might have eaten it at that very second. Just saw Kai Otten wave!!! Lost control a little on the take off, regained but too late to pull into the wave a little higher up. Board was at least 2 feet too low on the face. Kai would have been taken for a watery ride on that one. DID HIS BOARD SNAP? I am guessing it did?!
Check this drop of Kai Otton! Didn't even make the highlight reels.
having a dig!
Sitting in Perth airport right now watching the highlights from above, missed it all :( at work due to streaming crap, fucken Woodside,
Wow....! Amazing waves for a final showdown.
Will have to catch up with the heat analysis? Tomorrow.
I still can't get past the waves surfed at Cloudbreak Fiji Volcom Pro, that was better IMO, everyone has a different view of looking outside of the square, circle, triangle and the barrel.
pretty clear cut win by Mick if you ask me. Mick's wave was a second reef bomb and you could see him tackling the foamball deep in the early stages. They definitely score bigger, better waves higher, and rightly so if they are ridden deep.
Yadin's was only on first reef, nice deep long line, fought with the foamball only right at the end before he got spat out from what I could see.
I'm sold on it.
I was at the pipe that day wjth my two sons and was so blessed to to witness it . Mick deserved it he never gave up . John John and kelly also so deserved there respective titles tripple crown and pipe masters victory . Surfing history happened that day ..period . Never will the memories fade away .I agree with YOCALS comments to the max...