Mainstream Media Vs the culture of resuuuuurch.
Disagree
Agree DSDS.
On the optimistic side, the sheer scale of the covid overreach by experts and leaders observed by billions has created a healthy scepticism around such measures into the future.
But worryingly, the techniques have been tested and proven on a massive scale. The CCP has found it very useful to have both the means and the neverending crisis for its purposes.
Also, similar leadership / media led approaches have been put straight back into practice on a similar scale in a major geopolitical event that began in February with much success - initially. Now not so much. Blowback was not supposed to happen..
gsco wrote:There was no science driving any of the covid response for all of 2020 and 2021 simply because there was no data to base it on.
The response was purely unjustified fear based hysterical herd behaviour combined with highly effective public relations, advertising and marketing usage use of the media by the vaccine companies, as they do in just going about their normal day-to-day business.
We are only starting to get enough data now for actual “science” to start taking place. What it’s showing is that all of 2020 and 2021 was a gigantic mistake: covid is not a threat, the response was unnecessary, the vaccines are not much better than a placebo are are not required anyway.
This has nothing to do with hindsight. There were highly intelligent, educated, experienced, respected, high-standing, moderate people saying this from the very start, but their previous lifetime of intelligent opinion and valuable contribution to society was completely discredited and their reputations shattered in one fell swoop, simply by trying to voice an intelligent opinion.
There is no justification for how these people were treated and for ignoring their viewpoint and instead deciding to go with the most extreme hysterical fear based response.
These people are now only starting to have the courage to speak out again now that the actual data is beginning to be there and allow some actual science to start taking place.
The whole covid episode is one of the biggest disgraces to humanity I have ever witnessed.
Irony not your strong point, gsco?
Firstly you condemn one group for promoting an agenda with “no science driving any of the covid response for all of 2020 and 2021 simply because there was no data to base it on.”
And then
You agree with and elevate a group “This has nothing to do with hindsight. There were highly intelligent, educated, experienced, respected, high-standing, moderate people saying this from the very start, but their previous lifetime of intelligent opinion and valuable contribution to society was completely discredited and their reputations shattered in one fell swoop, simply by trying to voice an intelligent opinion.”
Who used no science and had no data to base it on?
Neither side had any.
The point is the people who are now being proven as correct were the ones who were suppressed, discredited and their views gone against.
To undo the damage of covid society needs to undertake a fresh reading of Popper’s The Open Society and its Enemies.
Covid was a situation of what Popper defines as a closed society in which freedom of thought was not allowed, only one version of reality was allowed and was considered as ultimate truth, and critical thinking and freedom of expression was crushed.
It turned out that this version of reality was an illusion.
How did it happen that the incorrect version of reality was the one that was chosen and enforced when many credible people were also trying to express the correct version?
Many decisions must rely on educated judgement prior to good data being available. That is normal. Actively discrediting educated alternative views to a simplistic "get vaxxed or else and lockdown like Dan did" strategy should not be seen as normal or acceptable - especially once lots of good data emerged from mid 2021 onwards.
gsco wrote:Neither side had any.
The point is the people who are now being proven as correct were the ones who were suppressed, discredited and their views gone against.
To undo the damage of covid society needs to undertake a fresh reading of Popper’s The Open Society and its Enemies.
Covid was a situation of what Popper defines as a closed society in which freedom of thought was not allowed, only one version of reality was allowed and was considered as ultimate truth, and critical thinking and freedom of expression was crushed.
It turned out that this version of reality was an illusion.
How did it happen that the incorrect version of reality was the one that was enforced?
Well if neither side had any data, why did you post criticism of 1 group only?
Bias I am guessing.
And the group that you agree with are not being proven anything…they never knew, they had zero data, they had zero medical facts, they actually had less data than the group you criticised.
Because group 1 ended up being wrong - even as you say when they had “more data and more credibility.”
How and why did that happen?
Popper would argue it was because they didn’t allow critique of their version of reality.
gsco, you also are falling into the trap of hindsight. An inability to see past actions based off the most up to date info at a certain time.
gsco wrote:Because group 1 ended up being wrong - even as you say when they had “more data and more credibility.”
How and why did that happen?
Popper would argue it was because they didn’t allow critique of their version of reality.
Popper is an idiot then.
There was no time for the usual medical reviews by various scientists…things changed by the day…by the week, remember this was a world wide incident.
I don't want to really wade into this debate.
I just want to offer the fact that while people here are making the good faith arguments that lockdowns were a massive over-reaction, the virus is no threat, "wrong think" was punished, health authorities were corrupted by Big Pharma, normal civil liberties were suspended for possible future authoritarian aims etc etc.....
There are large numbers of people making the exact opposite arguments in good faith.
IE, health restrictions were too little too late in large chunks of the world and contributed to mass death, anti-vax/covid minimiser narratives were organised and disseminated by right-wing/libertarian think tanks, govts sacrificed vulnerable people by dismantling all restrictions etc etc.
These people honestly believe this was/is a big govt/corpo conspiracy and that the "pro health" narrative is the one being suppressed and minimised.
Here is the basic summary of their position.
https://counterdisinformationproject.substack.com/p/the-pandata-file
Is it black and white, manichean narrative where one side is wholly right and one wholly wrong?
Or more of a "fog of war" muddle ?
Thats no disrespect to the people making reasonable, informed arguments on here.
But I sure would be interested to get takes on that "counter" position.
Freeride ….you’ve got ample video evidence of the highest global authorities bald-faced lying to camera. That alone provides enough weight to the argument that the highest global authorities were…uhhh, lying to you.
There is was only one power allowed during covid. Alternative opinions were literally erased from the internet to the best of the power’s ability. The power which was allowed disseminated proven lies.
Various think tanks which shouted alternative thought, which was then suppressed and censored, hardly counts as balanced assessment. That’s the point of my previous post. Balanced, reasoned and rational debate was basically outlawed.
Here’s an example from early in the piece when the concept of dissenting views being too dangerous to allow was beginning to be disseminated. A year later and Naom Chompsy was saying the unvaccinated should be starved in their houses and the Dan Andrews was bragging that the “anti-social vectors of disease” which were the unvaccinated, would be unemployable, ostracised and denied freedoms whilst those who’d succumbed to the injection-which-never-stopped-transmission we’re permitted by him to meet and travel again ….though only in small numbers.
The Conversation even found a handy euphemism for Wrong-speak….a cognogen : An idea causing disease! :
https://theconversation.com/5-failings-of-the-great-barrington-declarati...
Read the Conversation’s take down of the Great Barrington Declaration’s cognogen and think on the vast mistakes made by the Conversion as they advocate for the silencing of dissent from their (incorrect ) opinion.
Particularly like this line: “The declaration begins with the false premise that governments intend to lock down society, and cherry-picks facts (for example, that COVID-19 infections are mild in healthy people)”
You reckon the conversation ever issued an apology?
The persecution of the unvaccinated, who were considered a threat to society due to the official institutional lie that vaccines prevent transmission, did not arrive in the minds of the Worls’s population through immaculate conception. The thought to persecute the unvaccinated was conceived and disseminated by official Government information.
Governments and institutions lied and instigated social dysfunction..This is not in dispute. It’s proven . Yet you want me to believe that the Covid issue was a balanced debate of equally weighted opinions and opportunity?
FFS
Freeride said : “ Is it black and white, manichean narrative where one side is wholly right and one wholly wrong?
Or more of a "fog of war" muddle ?”
It was 100% black and white. The fog was sown by the authorities in order to obfuscate the truth.
The hashtag #naturalimmunity was and still is banned from Instagram/Facebook.
Geez there’s some great comments from the public in that conversation article .
Freeride…did you even read your own counter argument link? Sweet Jesus bloke. The entire thing is a huge case of “ These guys are wrong because….we say they’re wrong.” It then goes on to provide zero counter arguments beyond appeals to authority….their own authority. It’s rubbish
DudeSweetDudeSweet wrote:The persecution of the unvaccinated, who were considered a threat to society due to the official institutional lie that vaccines prevent transmission, did not arrive in the minds of the Worls’s population through immaculate conception. The thought to persecute the unvaccinated was conceived and disseminated by official Government information.
Stop pretending this is some new, elite formed viewpoint spread to the masses.
Vaccination was and always has been a small sacrifice people make for the greater good. The anti vax debate and childhood vaccinations had been bubbling on for as long as I remember. Covid just drove it into overdrive.
Problem is people that were vaccine hesitant were labeled anti -vax as were people who were unsure about mRNA , regardless of their vaccination history, if you questioned anything you were accused of being a conspiracy theorist.
Interesting website FR.
Fascinating that both extreme sides of the debate are going to elaborate lengths to try to prove that the opposing side is based on a full blown global conspiracy.
My basic point is there was/is no conspiracy.
In Australia our policy makers, in collaboration with their selectively chosen health experts and advisors, made a particular choice (a gamble) about a particular version of reality of the covid threat and later on vaccine effectiveness etc, and then formulated a particular policy response logically aligned with that gamble, as expected since that’s their job.
And what else could they do?
The response was based on a particular view of a believed most likely reality. Alternative possible views of reality were not accepted, not really even considered. Relentless, repetitive public messaging was put in place to reinforce and enforce that view. New powers and laws etc were enacted to enforce it. Credible, respectable people with valid alternative points of view, even respected and experienced health and medical professionals (experts), were publicly humiliated, discredited, slammed and ashamed, in order to enforce it. Dissent was not accepted. Alternative views were labelled, classified and dismissed as conspiracy theories. Even completely rational, informed, scientific views by highly credible people (experts) based on the same available information at the time and which are now being proved as correct were dismissed and ignored as conspiracy theories, simply because these views did not align with the chosen version (gamble) of reality and response.
The usual process of public discussion and debate was forfeited. The public had no choice but to conform. Many basic freedoms were stripped from us without our consent. It was all out of our control and in the hands of policy makers and their selected health professionals and advisors, who are now being proven wrong, and who at the time were basing decisions not on data or science (since none was available) but on fear based speculation/gamble and information from the vaccine companies about vaccine effectiveness. The studies done by the vaccine companies were not made public.
The response was made early on in the piece and based on little to no data or science because no data was available and it will take years, indeed decades, of the scientific process of hypothesis/theory formulation, data gathering, statistical analysis, results presentation/publishing, critical evaluation and review, identification of deficiencies and holes in research, debate, alternative hypothesis formulation and testing, to take place before a firm grasp of things is attained and the fog of war is cleared.
The decided upon version of reality and response were more like gigantic gambles, which are now being shown as incorrect. The public was forced to accept a gamble based on no science or data that is now being shown as wrong.
There were credible, respectable health and medical experts with the same information available at the time providing the alternative point of view of reality that is now coming to light as correct, but who were cancelled at the time.
It was and always will be a complete disgrace.
Supafreak wrote:Geez there’s some great comments from the public in that conversation article .
Yeah, and two years ago.
I didn't see much suppression of "wrong think" there- pretty robust debate with the academic author responding.
That strengthens my view that this was more of a "fog of war" muddle, rather than any kind of Manichean good/evil situation.
I appreciate others think otherwise.
Stok wrote:DudeSweetDudeSweet wrote:The persecution of the unvaccinated, who were considered a threat to society due to the official institutional lie that vaccines prevent transmission, did not arrive in the minds of the Worls’s population through immaculate conception. The thought to persecute the unvaccinated was conceived and disseminated by official Government information.
Stop pretending this is some new, elite formed viewpoint spread to the masses.
Vaccination was and always has been a small sacrifice people make for the greater good. The anti vax debate and childhood vaccinations had been bubbling on for as long as I remember. Covid just drove it into overdrive.
The covid situation has nothing to do with regular vaccinations.
gsco wrote:Interesting website FR.
Fascinating that both extreme sides of the debate are going to elaborate lengths to try to prove that the opposing side is based on a full blown global conspiracy.
My basic point is there was/is no conspiracy.
In Australia our policy makers, in collaboration with their selectively chosen health experts and advisors, made a particular choice (a gamble) about a particular version of reality of the covid threat and later on vaccine effectiveness etc, and then formulated a particular policy response logically aligned with that gamble, as expected since that’s their job.
And what else could they do?
The response was based on a particular view of a believed most likely reality. Alternative possible views of reality were not accepted, not really even considered. Relentless, repetitive public messaging was put in place to reinforce and enforce that view. New powers and laws etc were enacted to enforce it. Credible, respectable people with valid alternative points of view, even respected and experienced health and medical professionals (experts), were publicly humiliated, discredited, slammed and ashamed, in order to enforce it. Dissent was not accepted. Alternative views were labelled, classified and dismissed as conspiracy theories. Even completely rational, informed, scientific views by highly credible people (experts) based on the same available information at the time and which are now being proved as correct were dismissed and ignored as conspiracy theories, simply because these views did not align with the chosen version (gamble) of reality and response.
The usual process of public discussion and debate was forfeited. The public had no choice but to conform. Many basic freedoms were stripped from us without our consent. It was all out of our control and in the hands of policy makers and their selected health professionals and advisors, who are now being proven wrong, and who at the time were basing decisions not on data or science (since none was available) but on fear based speculation/gamble and information from the vaccine companies about vaccine effectiveness. The studies done by the vaccine companies were not made public.
The response was made early on in the piece and based on little to no data or science because no data was available and it will take years, indeed decades, of the scientific process of hypothesis/theory formulation, data gathering, statistical analysis, results presentation/publishing, critical evaluation and review, identification of deficiencies and holes in research, debate, alternative hypothesis formulation and testing, to take place before a firm grasp of things is attained and the fog of war is cleared.
The decided upon version of reality and response were more like gigantic gambles, which are now being shown as incorrect. The public was forced to accept a gamble based on no science or data that is now being shown as wrong.
There were credible, respectable health and medical experts with the same information available at the time providing the alternative point of view of reality that is now coming to light as correct, but who were cancelled at the time.
It was and always will be a complete disgrace.
where’s the like button ? Great post
As cliche as it sounds, you only really need to open your eyes just the smallest amount to see through the giant conspiracy, and see how feeble the concept is.
There is no way, no absolute way, industries in sectors decimated by covid, such as commercial property, aviation, tertiary education etc. (to name a few) would have sat aside and let big pharma call all the shots.
"In Australia our policy makers, in collaboration with their selectively chosen health experts and advisors, made a particular choice (a gamble) about a particular version of reality of the covid threat and later on vaccine effectiveness etc, and then formulated a particular policy response logically aligned with that gamble, as expected since that’s their job.
And what else could they do?"
It's a good question and you need to ask it in a global context.
What was each country expected to do and what did they do.
Sweden probably took the most laissez-faire approach consistent with the GBD, and even they ended up with public health restrictions which reduced freedoms (border closures, quarantines and school closures, restrictions on large gatherings).
Every other country was on a spectrum.
Did the data justify any of the response?
Many would argue it did.
Otherwise you are claiming almost every single jurisdiction on Earth completely over-reacted- a stupendous claim.
Certainly some scientists like John Ioannidis of Stanford University made loud proclamations that data was not sufficient to justify lockdowns.
https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/17/a-fiasco-in-the-making-as-the-corona...
https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4425/rr-31
They are mainstream publications.
His position was rejected by epidemiologists who claimed precautionary principles justified the response.
From Scientific American Nov 30 2020
"In March, when John Ioannidis published an opinion essay in STAT, the reaction was swift and brutal. Ioannidis estimated that deaths in the U.S. from COVID-19 could potentially be as low as 10,000—or they could approach levels not seen since the flu pandemic of 1918. Anything was possible, he wrote, and he pleaded for better science in order to make informed decisions. Fellow researchers latched on to his low figure, accusing him of “horrible science” and of missing the point by calling for more data when “coffins of … victims are accumulating.” Richard Ebright, a professor of chemistry and chemical biology at Rutgers University, tweeted that Ioannidis’ STAT essay was “content-free, logic-free drivel.” James P. Reichmann, a student of public health at Georgia State University, wrote that Ioannidis’ “contrarian position” could cause “irreparable harm” and cost “thousands of human lives.” Detractors accused him of recommending that the nation “do nothing” in response to the virus".
@gsco
Where's the science behind not being allowed to scream out you've got a bomb whilst sitting on a commercial airplane?
And even if it turns out there was no bomb, are the passengers complaining that the flight shouldn't be cancelled, it's an over reaction to arrest the bomb screamer right?
Firstly - the 'science' behind covid involved dealing with a huge amount of unknowns. Assumptions and modelling where gaps in information exist is very much so science.
Responses to covid which governments took were not done on whims. They were done to keep the genie in the bottle, or to limit the potential damage of spread. Of course there's debate about where the line should fall, as to what is reasonable and what's too far. But as with any emergency situation, consistent messaging and diffusing the situation are key. Which is what happened. To critique and scoff during the middle of covid, saying how better things would be 'if it had been done your way', is the height of ignorance.
Consistent messaging like mask off mask on ? Only essential workers can go to work , anyone that has a job is an essential worker , if you’re vaccinated you become a dead end to the virus , I could go on but what’s the point, some people are deaf .
Stok wrote:As cliche as it sounds, you only really need to open your eyes just the smallest amount to see through the giant conspiracy, and see how feeble the concept is.
There is no way, no absolute way, industries in sectors decimated by covid, such as commercial property, aviation, tertiary education etc. (to name a few) would have sat aside and let big pharma call all the shots.
There is no way, absolutely no way, you are serious
“consistent messaging and diffusing the situation are key. Which is what happened.”
Wow.
Stok wrote:As cliche as it sounds, you only really need to open your eyes just the smallest amount to see through the giant conspiracy, and see how feeble the concept is.
There is no way, no absolute way, industries in sectors decimated by covid, such as commercial property, aviation, tertiary education etc. (to name a few) would have sat aside and let big pharma call all the shots.
Here is a list of the 100 largest companies in the world
https://companiesmarketcap.com/
I see alot of information tech and drug companies on here. (aka the most powerful?)
Not so many aviation, property and tertiary.
When it comes to those who would gain the most out of the last 2 years this list is full to the brim with them.
Great post above GSCO but i only give it half a like as i think the first half you let alot of people off the hook by dismissing the possibility of a large scale opportunistic money grab by above noted companies and politicians who's arms were flexible. Money will always talk.
Never forget Pfizer are a criminal company that created a vaccine in haste, way inside the normal timeline of what is considered to be safe for creating a vaccine, that was untrialled on humans, had no outside scientific regulation or checks(because they wouldn't allow it), wouldn't release the data for 75 years until taken to court, (we're still waiting) and had indemnity against any side effects or death.
Never forget the government of Australia over reported deaths from covid when it turned out they were mostly deaths (with covid), bought 8 times more of the vaccine than the population of Australia and used terms like 'disease of the unvaccinated" in it's military grade propaganda against you and me. And never forget that covid was overhyped for what it really was.....without taking away from those that did suffer from it, it's been unequivocally proven that it was dangerous mostly to those who were well aged or had several comorbidities. Somewhere along the chain of command, someone was allowed to yell from the rooftops that it was way more dangerous than it ever was. How was this allowed to happen in a civilised society?
As one of the few on here that seems to have not been vaccinated, i can tell you from the source, there is a trauma that lingers from being an outcast of society, shunned and bullied by friends, family and people you don't even know. It doesn't compare to past injustices that have happened in this country, but....it's all relative i guess. An obvious injustice is an injustice. I will find it hard to look at humans the same ever again, as is evident in alot of my posts over the last 12 months or so.
People weren't willing to observe the obvious redflags that accompanied the frenzied hype to get vaccinated, get boosted. It was always there. All the information about these companies were always available. The motives should have been obvious.
It's hard not to be bitter, not for me but for those close to me that are suffering life changing injuries from the vaccine. That is the one thing that seems to be forgotten in this conversation.
But all in all, enjoying reading this discussion. I personally appreciate the level headed and well considered points made by all the posters above, even if i don't neccesarily agree with them. We all have our own story from these last two years, and our own biases, and i'm pretty scarred in alot of ways from it all. But to see a much more open minded discussion instead of a shout down is a big step forward in my opinion.
btw if you want to watch a great doco about historical population control over the last century, i'm watching this at the moment. Might have been posted here in the past but worth a watch if you haven't seen it and might remind all that yes, there is collusion at the highest level to control populations and it is folly to simply dismiss it as a possibility, especially in an age where information technology is so intertwined in big business, media and government.
Speaking of companies that profited....check out Exxon Mobil, (the second richest company in the world) profit gains in the period 2020-2022, in the bottom graph. A 129percent increase in profits. When did the profit increase begin? March 2021. When did the vaccines first get rolled out? March 2021. I'm sure it's just a coincidence.
I don't know the correlation between their dramatic profit increase and the timeline, but it's there, in black and white.
https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/XOM/exxon/gross-profit#:~:text....
red flags
Stok the self proclaimed intellectual of swellnet didn’t know that qantas received a 2 Billion dollar bailout from tax payers during covid.
They were also one of the first companies to publicly announce vaccine mandates for workers setting the pace for Australia.
Coincidence?
Ahhh Burleigh, thinking intellect is just knowing random facts. Life must be so confusing for you.
Frame it however you want, conspiracy crew, but the bottom line is your echo chamber gave you what you want, and probably still is - that you were right. You were right to not make a small sacrifice for the health and safety of others. That you were right to question expert advice on the basis of your prrsonal logic. That you were right to remain fortified behind your views which at the core were born out of selfishness and an unwillingness to do your own part in a potentially major humanitarian event.
It's all there to be seen in broad daylight.
It's also clear that the far right spearheaded these views very early on. They knew they could pick it up and run with it well - after all, there's a very thin line between freedom and reckless self centredness.
Stok, by branding the "lessons learned" re-examination of Covid policy as some form of far right viewpoint or association with the weirder conspiracy ideas or simply selfishness, you are pitching yourself right into the middle of the same messaging that sort to maintain the group think, penalise "wrong think" and make excuses for not shifting policy more quickly as new facts emerged and treatments improved during the pandemic that is so concerning to many.
For example, without the maximum fear messaging and more open minds, Sweden's lived experience (and data) over 2020 could have been used to justify a much lighter touch to behavior modification for the majority in a country like Australia over 2021 combined with a major focus devoting resources to protecting the elderly and vulnerable.
Instead Sweden bashing was the dominant media narrative if ever it was discussed. And so severe lockdowns became the go to big hammer to bash whole populations. It did not have to be so.
Then by mid 2021 we had the mass vaccination experience of Israel data that showed vaccination did not stop transmission and that natural immunity was similar in effectiveness to vaccines. But data driven policy shifts that this could have initiated with more open minds did not occur for 6 months. And only then was it really Omicron making fools out of the simplistic expert advice observed live by millions that led to the shift.
New sound research and data information was too often ignored, disparaged or procrastinated over for a host of reasons. Most are simply is the often repeated human behaviour of herd mentality. But in the background well resourced and connected big Pharma was playing its role to keep max vax as the goal. Not conspiracy just facts.
Learn lessons or repeat mistakes next time.
Is this the Covid post-facto rationalisation thread?
Where you get to make up your current new reality, and blend it with your old reality, which you never really had a hold of, to then make up prognostications about the new world order?
Spare me.
That’s about it Batfink.
So it would seem
@Frog.
When the antagonistic view point is led by a clown car full of far right weirdos, i do find it hard to sit down and let them talk. No one's branding them that, they all ready wear that flag themselves (down here it was usually the red ensign, often draped over their shoulders).
All I saw was opportunistic wanna be leaders and groups jump on the bandwagon, which as I said was built on a foundation of playing at peoples fears and self centred-ness. Think Sov Cits, full blown anti vaxers, One Nation, UAP and wellness social media darlings.
Barely anyone of any substance was really willing to throw their hat in the ring to suggest an alternative method of resolving covid. All the actual experts were supportive of what was happening. Anyone who did critique it had a microphone shoved in their face and were sent off on a right wing media/podcast world tour. As soon as they opened their mouth to speak almost anyone who hadn't succumbed to the selfish/fear propaganda, knew they weren't someone who should be listened to.
So you got your kids vaccinated Stok?
burleigh wrote:So you got your kids vaccinated Stok?
burleigh, asks questions.
burleigh, refuses to answer questions
burleigh also vaxxed his kids to get tax benefits.,,go figure that one.
Burleigh, I have a medical exemption from having to respond to that.
If you ask me again, I'll take you to the high court for breaching medical privacy and freedom under maritime laws, and sue you for 12 billion dollars.
I'll easily be able to get a bit of support from your mates, who all were screaming for full medical privacy when asked to show their vaccine certificates. And were able to quote various charters of democracy down to the chapter and verse, regarding human rights.
In the end all that really matters is that the history books will say there was a pandemic and the worlds greatest minds banded together and developed vaccines which along with lock downs and mask wearing saved millions of lives until herd immunity was achieved and the new novel virus weakened and petered out into a common flu like virus. No mention of the small % of the population who chose to escape to an alternate reality. End of story.
old-dog wrote:In the end all that really matters is that the history books will say there was a pandemic and the worlds greatest minds banded together and developed vaccines which along with lock downs and mask wearing saved millions of lives until herd immunity was achieved and the new novel virus weakened and petered out into a common flu like virus. No mention of the small % of the population who chose to escape to an alternate reality. End of story.
Ah yep. Just like learning History at school............ But then you realise Indigenous Australians were on the land for 60,000 years and Australia has a REAL history never taught in school.
Got it.
old-dog wrote:In the end all that really matters is that the history books will say there was a pandemic and the worlds greatest minds banded together and developed vaccines which along with lock downs and mask wearing saved millions of lives until herd immunity was achieved and the new novel virus weakened and petered out into a common flu like virus. No mention of the small % of the population who chose to escape to an alternate reality. End of story.
I think before the world can achieve herd immunity, a vaccine that prevents transmission is needed . Not sure what reality you’re living in .
old-dog wrote:In the end all that really matters is that the history books will say there was a pandemic and the worlds greatest minds banded together and developed vaccines which along with lock downs and mask wearing saved millions of lives until herd immunity was achieved and the new novel virus weakened and petered out into a common flu like virus. No mention of the small % of the population who chose to escape to an alternate reality. End of story.
more like the history books will say...
there was a 'pandemic', almost... maybe... and the worlds greatest minds banded together with government health systems that had become terribly corrupted after 30 years of neoliberalism. this cooperation seemed more pre occupied with covering up the possible origins of the virus rather than finding it. and the possible origin of the virus scared the shit out of everyone, which led to a massive overeaction and misinformation campaign. this fear and misinformation led governments to believe a vaccine was the only exit out of this pandemic. and a 'vaccine' of negliable efficacy was rushed through. this period will be remembered as a time where conventions and institutions such as free speach, human rights, and the scientific method, were all impeded to the point of almost absolute failure. it is still not clear to this day, whether the pandemic was controlled at all by this combination of failures and overeach, or whether the novel corona virus became less harmful with time -as most viruses do - through mutations and the public developing natural immunity. it appears the virus and its harmfulness petered out well before governments wound back their massive overeach and the goliath like corrupting influences of of big pharma, and their enabling acolytes, big technology and a totally corrupted media system
And I wonder in which language those so gloriously accurate and indisputable history books will be written…
Interpreters may be needed if these guys are the cannon fodder ;)
https://m.
Old-Dog likes rich white man history only. Im going to take a wild guess that Stok is the same.
How good is this! This is why I will never stay silent and never forget.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/new-york-supreme-court-reinstates-all-employe...
You're an incredibly brave and courageous individual Burls.
Hopefully we'll see you on a stamp one day :)
AndyM wrote:You're an incredibly brave and courageous individual Burls.
Hopefully we'll see you on a stamp one day :)
See what happens when you stand up for your fellow humans AndyM instead of letting the big guys trample all over you.
You should try it
There’s no denying that decision but any idea how many of the good justices in that jurisdiction are Trump appointees? Read somewhere many 100s of conservative judges were appointed during his tenure and that will be his real legacy for decades to come.
Bit of a mixed up world when the decision to reverse a law denying people their source of income based on an institutionalised lie is considered the purview of “extreme conservatives.
Being fired fro:m your job is no small thing . It’s one of the most disruptive and stressful things which can happen to someone. The ensuing financial stress breaks up marriages and homes. It leaves people confused, lost and dismayed and that’s before you even factor in their I ability to replace that job due to the same institutional fraud used to push a corporate product.
I hope the victims of the vaccine discrimination seek hefty punitive damages in civil court. Time to bring the chickens home to roost for the systemic persecution of otherwise completely innocent civilians trying to go about their lives.
Just browsing the online shitrag that is News.com today and came across this article on the Queen and how it was portrayed she was using Ivermectin, when according to the article she wasn't. Note the language used..particularly the use of the word 'dangerous'.
https://www.news.com.au/entertainment/tv/current-affairs/channel-9-apolo...
Then i looked up an article about Ivermectin pre Covid and found this one...
https://www.isglobal.org/en/healthisglobal/-/custom-blog-portlet/ivermec...
Note the line: "Because of its excellent safety profile and broad spectrum of activity, ivermectin is catalogued by the World Health Organisation as an essential medicine and is regarded by many as a "magic bullet" for global health."
Alot of talk on these forums lately is about trusting the science, listening to the experts, most of which use the big media giants as their platforms to broadcast information. If you choose to question what is pumped out adnauseum to you these days you're labelled a tin foil hatter, a conspiracy theorist and accused of posting misinformation.
I just wonder what other peoples thoughts are on the media narrative as opposed to doing your own research. I once trusted the media alot more, however in this day and age, when we have soooo much information available at the touch of a keypad, some false, some verifiable, it's hard to trust the media when you can easily catch them out in blatant lies, or at the very least, misleading the public as shown above.
Anyway, that's my thoughts. Wondering on others. Just gonna read, not going to chirp in on this one.