2022 Election

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blindboy started the topic in Saturday, 13 Nov 2021 at 7:46am

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Hiccups Tuesday, 10 May 2022 at 10:12am
GuySmiley wrote:

did I miss something? has @info been given one of @stu's little rests? unless I've been particularly unobservant I haven't seen the lil guy post for a few days now, most unlike him ....

Maybe self-awareness kicked in. Doubt it though.

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stunet Tuesday, 10 May 2022 at 10:20am
GuySmiley wrote:

did I miss something? has @info been given one of @stu's little rests? unless I've been particularly unobservant I haven't seen the lil guy post for a few days now, most unlike him ....

No input from me.

Reading back, things got a touch nasty over the weekend, so perhaps it has something to do with that?
Then again, maybe he's just busy with work.

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Supafreak Tuesday, 10 May 2022 at 10:24am

This will be interesting

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AndyM Tuesday, 10 May 2022 at 10:34am

Hey are those two related?

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Supafreak Tuesday, 10 May 2022 at 10:36am

Liberals to benefit from UAP preferences in many key seats Liberal candidates in key seats will benefit from Clive Palmer’s preferences, with his United Australia Party recommending voters put the Liberal Party second or third place on their ballot papers in several close contests.

The development, which was evident on several how-to-vote cards collected by the Herald and The Age as pre-polling opened on Monday, came despite Palmer saying just weeks ago that his party would urge voters to put the major parties “last”. https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/liberals-to-benefit-from-uap-pre... Speaking at the National Press Club in early April, Palmer said his anti-lockdown, anti-vaccine mandate party would place Labor, the Liberals and the Greens “last” on its how-to-vote cards.………..I can’t believe Fatboy lied

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DudeSweetDudeSweet Tuesday, 10 May 2022 at 10:37am

Something I never thought I’d say - “ I might try and catch that political debate.”

Would be interested to hear their foreign policies explained and justified.

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Fliplid Tuesday, 10 May 2022 at 11:27am
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I interviewed and hired for many technical roles over the years and they were always migrants.

The recent increase in funding in the areas you mention and the trades is an acknowledgement that they have been neglected for too long

Years ago a German born 'new Australian' I knew once told me how more rounded his education was compared to his Aussie born kids. Once he got into high school there was a large component of trade based courses as well as the academic stuff. The aim was to have students leave school with a good grounding to make their transition into the workforce easier. This was a direct government policy geared towards industry development.

There doesn't seem to be any real policy for primary and secondary education in Australia other than propping up a reduced christian following by giving the churches as much funding and fodder for conversion as possible

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Fliplid Tuesday, 10 May 2022 at 11:34am
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Liberals to benefit from UAP preferences in many key seats Liberal candidates in key seats will benefit from Clive Palmer’s preferences, with his United Australia Party recommending voters put the Liberal Party second or third place on their ballot papers in several close contests.

The development, which was evident on several how-to-vote cards collected by the Herald and The Age as pre-polling opened on Monday, came despite Palmer saying just weeks ago that his party would urge voters to put the major parties “last”. https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/liberals-to-benefit-from-uap-pre... Speaking at the National Press Club in early April, Palmer said his anti-lockdown, anti-vaccine mandate party would place Labor, the Liberals and the Greens “last” on its how-to-vote cards.………..I can’t believe Fatboy lied

Time to lock in your LNP to win odds at Sportsbet Supafreak because this might be all they need to get back in

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Supafreak Tuesday, 10 May 2022 at 12:36pm
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Liberals to benefit from UAP preferences in many key seats Liberal candidates in key seats will benefit from Clive Palmer’s preferences, with his United Australia Party recommending voters put the Liberal Party second or third place on their ballot papers in several close contests.

The development, which was evident on several how-to-vote cards collected by the Herald and The Age as pre-polling opened on Monday, came despite Palmer saying just weeks ago that his party would urge voters to put the major parties “last”. https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/liberals-to-benefit-from-uap-pre... Speaking at the National Press Club in early April, Palmer said his anti-lockdown, anti-vaccine mandate party would place Labor, the Liberals and the Greens “last” on its how-to-vote cards.………..I can’t believe Fatboy lied

Time to lock in your LNP to win odds at Sportsbet Supafreak because this might be all they need to get back in

Reading an article the other day saying the big money bets were on labor but overall more money has been punted on the LNP . I think slomo made two mistakes in not calling election earlier and too long a campaign , people will be well a truly sick of his face on the telly . 9117-A17-E-66-E6-45-F9-BCA1-FF3-F1420-FF63

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Robwilliams Tuesday, 10 May 2022 at 1:13pm
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https://sydneyreviewofbooks.com/essay/amen-snorter-rotten-fish/

"Morrison has led what may well be the most indolent, nasty, bumbling, dishonest, cynical and corrupt federal government in Australian history. In his term as prime minister, he has failed to achieve a single lasting reform for the long-term betterment of Australian society.

He failed even to propose one. He has proved himself, over and over again, to be an abuser of executive power, a substantive policy vacuum, and a legislator of surpassing ineptitude. His ideological stance is little better than a collection of antipathies pursued in a spirit of vindictiveness. He is as dogmatic as he is shallow.

The keynotes of his time in office have been rampant cronyism, industrial scale rorting for partisan ends, the funnelling of vast sums of public money into the coffers of private vested interests, deliberate undermining of public institutions, and an evident distaste for the very thought that the federal government should use any of the vast resources at its disposal to help anyone who actually needs help.

On these points, Morrison has been absolutely consistent. The major catastrophes of bushfires, floods and the pandemic have done nothing to alter his basic stance. Faced with the spectacle of his fellow citizens in desperate need, Morrison has responded in ways that are belated, inadequate, grudging and skewed — every single time.

The defining feature of his political career is that he always seeks to use his position of power to disadvantage and, in many cases, actively punish sections of the populace he regards with disfavour."

James Ley lays it out.

spot on J

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truebluebasher Tuesday, 10 May 2022 at 1:24pm

Incoming #2 Leader of Australia...
We all should know this, because it's important...right?
Just that tbb never thought the need would arise!

tbb thought this was easy & already knew...but had to think long & hard...
Tanya...best guess...gotta be Tanya (Surely!)
Penny...too bossy? Still reckon she's next best choice or guess!
Chis Bowen mops up after Albo...has to be another top contender!
How about rock solid Stalwart Tony Burke (Nailed it! Must be him!)
Could it be former leader Bill? Sure! Why Not...as good or better than current!

About now...starting to think it was that smooth talker on the Telly.
Wotz his name! You know the one that looks & sounds like that other one!
https://live-production.wcms.abc-cdn.net.au/7ded068a4ddc5b797a32882303bd...
https://www.redlandcitybulletin.com.au/images/transform/v1/crop/frm/silv...

Anyhow! tbb did check & as usual ...wrong on every account.
This Pollie was elected in 2007 but remains as a shadow hiding in a shadow.
Most portfolios involve o/s > Trade > Foreign affairs > Border issues
Seldom engages in internal affairs or day to day running of our Nation.
In fact was recently where no one is meant to be & got arse kicked!

Never knew #2 Labor leader for 3 years.
Sure tbb wears that shame & must openly share that guilt, now own it!

2019 Here's the AD "Position Vacant" (#2 Boss of Australia)
*Must be in the Labor Party
*Must be from Victoria
*Must be from the Right Faction
*Must be a Man.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-05-26/clare-oneil-drops-out-of-labor-de...
*Must have a dog named Toto!
*Must be the only applicant for the Job
*Must be able to represent Australia near half as good as Barnaby!
*Must be able to speak on behalf of China in their War on Australia!
*Must be able to test [+] & isolate for 7 days or for the rest of the campaign!

We're pretty well fucked, aren't we!

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flollo Tuesday, 10 May 2022 at 2:36pm

Another one quits - https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-10/nt-chief-minister-michael-gunner-...

It's a tough job. You probably need to be a sociopath to succeed in the current environment. That's why Scomo is so good at it.

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indo-dreaming Tuesday, 10 May 2022 at 3:59pm
flollo wrote:

Another one quits - https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-10/nt-chief-minister-michael-gunner-...

It's a tough job. You probably need to be a sociopath to succeed in the current environment. That's why Scomo is so good at it.

Not a sociopath, but you need to be extremely tough mentally to take the pressure and everything thrown at you, and you need to be fairly smart and disciplined, and be able to contain yourself and bite your lip when needed.

Does Albo have these qualities???

The signs aren't good, unable to answer important questions, fumbling and bumbling and even little a bit of a hissy fit a media he other day.

It's looking more and more like Australia is going to have our own Biden.

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indo-dreaming Tuesday, 10 May 2022 at 4:12pm
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Liberals to benefit from UAP preferences in many key seats Liberal candidates in key seats will benefit from Clive Palmer’s preferences, with his United Australia Party recommending voters put the Liberal Party second or third place on their ballot papers in several close contests.

The development, which was evident on several how-to-vote cards collected by the Herald and The Age as pre-polling opened on Monday, came despite Palmer saying just weeks ago that his party would urge voters to put the major parties “last”. https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/liberals-to-benefit-from-uap-pre... Speaking at the National Press Club in early April, Palmer said his anti-lockdown, anti-vaccine mandate party would place Labor, the Liberals and the Greens “last” on its how-to-vote cards.………..I can’t believe Fatboy lied

Nice some good news..

I still think Labor will get in though the cycle has run its course nine years is a long time in politics, for perspective Labor have only achieved nine years or longer twice in our history.

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Supafreak Tuesday, 10 May 2022 at 4:14pm
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Optimist Tuesday, 10 May 2022 at 4:41pm

Another classy pic from the Freak…yes it’s looks like Labor will romp in so if your in your own business or a worker who likes to go harder on overtime you will pay more tax. If your a wealthy retiree you will also pay more tax…on the good side, people who are battlers will get more free stuff so there is a balance there of sorts. Labor in power benefits me financially but not my kids as things will change for them. My self funded retiree friends will be looking for the usual loopholes when Labor get in which would give me a headache as I hate that stuff.. ..A roof over your head and some waves nearby and a tinny for fishing is all I need. I think if you are going to vote Labor, do so and leave the dodgy parties out of it so the new govt can get majority in the house without having to pander to weird requests every time they vote on something. I still think LNP is best for us at present and they have probably learned a few good lessons from the past as well , but they did get us through a few bad years and not passing stuff they should have is probably a result of being pre occupied with disasters instead. Anyway, there’s a lot to consider and if you do have an independent that you know is a great person and has shared a vision that helps the country give them a vote. Independents who just say vote for me I’m nice and I will stop climate change are time wasters with no real local plan for their community…important time ahead with the rise of China to factor in as well….happy voting.

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Supafreak Tuesday, 10 May 2022 at 4:41pm
indo-dreaming wrote:
flollo wrote:

Another one quits - https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-10/nt-chief-minister-michael-gunner-...

It's a tough job. You probably need to be a sociopath to succeed in the current environment. That's why Scomo is so good at it.

Not a sociopath, but you need to be extremely tough mentally to take the pressure and everything thrown at you, and you need to be fairly smart and disciplined, and be able to contain yourself and bite your lip when needed.

Does Albo have these qualities???

The signs aren't good, unable to answer important questions, fumbling and bumbling and even little a bit of a hissy fit a media he other day.

It's looking more and more like Australia is going to have our own Biden.

Laura Tingle interviews Albo on 7.30 tonight , let’s see if he has a ‘ Biden ‘ moment , can’t imagine slomo going anywhere near Tingle, he needs to grow a pair.

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oxrox Tuesday, 10 May 2022 at 5:23pm

Can't see Laura Tingle giving Albo any tough questions. He would have all the questions well in advance I suspect.

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Supafreak Tuesday, 10 May 2022 at 5:34pm

Classic dribble from the opti , still believes slomo got as through the last couple of years and no other politician could have done so . Well don’t forget that a vote for the Scott Morrison Party is a vote for this upstanding citizen as the DPM 96-DB0-D56-6-C53-4-CED-B41-C-90567-C0-AA25-B

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Robwilliams Tuesday, 10 May 2022 at 5:30pm
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Another classy pic from the Freak…yes it’s looks like Labor will romp in so if your in your own business or a worker who likes to go harder on overtime you will pay more tax. If your a wealthy retiree you will also pay more tax…on the good side, people who are battlers will get more free stuff so there is a balance there of sorts. Labor in power benefits me financially but not my kids as things will change for them. My self funded retiree friends will be looking for the usual loopholes when Labor get in which would give me a headache as I hate that stuff.. ..A roof over your head and some waves nearby and a tinny for fishing is all I need. I think if you are going to vote Labor, do so and leave the dodgy parties out of it so the new govt can get majority in the house without having to pander to weird requests every time they vote on something. I still think LNP is best for us at present and they have probably learned a few good lessons from the past as well , but they did get us through a few bad years and not passing stuff they should have is probably a result of being pre occupied with disasters instead. Anyway, there’s a lot to consider and if you do have an independent that you know is a great person and has shared a vision that helps the country give them a vote. Independents who just say vote for me I’m nice and I will stop climate change are time wasters with no real local plan for their community…important time ahead with the rise of China to factor in as well….happy voting.

What a crock. Leave the dodgy parties out of it? Or throw a spanner in the works and force reform. They haven't considered anything but themselves. Time after time no matter what they present. I'm done with their charade. The established can find the loopholes as they always do. Hope the independents rock the boat. They deserve hell and I hope they get served by the public .
Grace tames bong photo showed us how much they care. Did that in anyway show respect to survivors of abuse. Fuck no. Totally irrelevant to the political cause other than B grade dirt. "Fuck em" I hope they get slaughtered at the polls because they have brought it upon themselves.

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Robwilliams Tuesday, 10 May 2022 at 5:44pm
oxrox wrote:

Can't see Laura Tingle giving Albo any tough questions. He would have all the questions well in advance I suspect.

If thats the case why won't scomo front up? Is it because he is afraid of capable women holding him to account? Like we saw with Brittany Higgins and the women who took a stand outside parliament? Pathetic. Having the questions before hand didn't help much with the last debate on channel 9. Why should I have faith that channel 7 would be any different. Easy to stay safe when you call the shots. Comfort never hurts and may never deliver. Barnaby has been allocating money north of the Barnaby line. Why try to persuade voters when you can buy them? National party behaviour is as crooked as the man at the front.

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Supafreak Tuesday, 10 May 2022 at 5:43pm

@Robwilliams , not only will the Scott Morrison Party get slaughtered, they will pull themselves apart and it’s going to take a decade at least of rebuilding. Slomo has done damage within the party and wait for the revenge ex party members will take once the election is over . Journalists will have a flood of stories that will make opti blush.

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oxrox Tuesday, 10 May 2022 at 5:47pm

Laura Tingle wants to see labor win. She has made this abundantly clear.
Instead of banging on about how bad Scomo has been at every mention of something negative about Albo, I have really been searching for some positive news about the alternatives this election. You know how they will change the country for the better with good, costed policies and not something that sounds good but is near on impossible to do.
Unfortunately, I'm not getting that. All about how bad Scomo etc has been. Well tell me how good it's going to be with you in power. The "how bad is Scomo" from the opposition and the media is boring. If he and the LNP have been so bad it should be a piece of piss to give honest effective policy alternatives to win the election. The alternative is an unknown and that is a little disconcerting from my perspective.

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flow Tuesday, 10 May 2022 at 6:00pm

How was the op oxrox?

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Robwilliams Tuesday, 10 May 2022 at 6:20pm

I have been more vocal than I ever have been in regards to the way the Australian government has conducted it self. Had they served with integrity, I would have not been forced to raise my voice. I accept all ideas that allow the Australian people a clearer picture of the political paths that are taken or proposed.

My views are formed by the world which surrounds me. Those views have gained more weight as certain issues become bigger. I may never see a healthier Australia.

I believe from what I have seen and experienced in my life. From in the past and to right now that Australia Deserves so much better. Hence why I am taking a so called risk. Maybe if the bullshit had been less over my lifetime I would be a so called quiet Australian. But my Australian life has shown me a need to act. Our country deserves integrity and positive leadership. Any thing less is selling it's soul and it's very people.

Fight back and give the future generation something to believe in because they lost me a long long time ago. Trust is a funny thing, because once it's broken it is very hard to restore. I still believe in a better world and Australia) hence why I raise my voice. Tough times lay ahead, that doesn't faze me. It's been the bullshit I'm force fed. As an Australian citizen not only do I demand better, iv'e had enough. I hope a brighter opportunity can be delivered to the Australians I speak for. That future generations can carry the torch to a better life and find faith in the political system that has failed me and so many others. I make no apologies for confronting the bullshit they serve me and my communities. As this is the life they have politically shaped for me to live and see. This is my Australia as it is yours.

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indo-dreaming Tuesday, 10 May 2022 at 6:56pm
oxrox wrote:

Laura Tingle wants to see labor win. She has made this abundantly clear.
Instead of banging on about how bad Scomo has been at every mention of something negative about Albo, I have really been searching for some positive news about the alternatives this election. You know how they will change the country for the better with good, costed policies and not something that sounds good but is near on impossible to do.
Unfortunately, I'm not getting that. All about how bad Scomo etc has been. Well tell me how good it's going to be with you in power. The "how bad is Scomo" from the opposition and the media is boring. If he and the LNP have been so bad it should be a piece of piss to give honest effective policy alternatives to win the election. The alternative is an unknown and that is a little disconcerting from my perspective.

And let's just remember we have just gone through one of the most challenging times any government has had to face with a once in 100 year pandemic backed by fires and floods.

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dandandan Tuesday, 10 May 2022 at 6:57pm

You won't get much from Labor on their plans oxrox. They're terrified after the last election, somehow coming to the conclusion that they lost because they bothered to stick their neck out a little bit. Small target is the wrong strategy in my opinion, but they're sticking to it.

If you want fully costed visionary policies, have you looked at the Greens? All their policies are fully costed by the Parliamentary Budget Office (which only exists due to the Greens pushing for it when they were last in balance of power). Putting dental and mental health care into Medicare, making education free from pre to univeristy (including TAFE), increasing the pension and all other income payments to $88 a day rather than keeping them all under the poverty line, returning the retirement age to 65. It's all pretty wonderful, and it's fully costed by the same team that cost the government's policies. A lot of people have a gut instinct reaction to the Greens, or think they only care about the environment, but there's plenty there for you if you're interested!

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How was the op oxrox?

Hey Flow
Went really well. 4 weeks post op and have a lot of movement in my foot again which was the main reason for surgery. Apparently, the movement I have at this early stage is excellent. Doing very little work wise and watching my mates surf is getting hard. Can see light at the end of the tunnel for sure. Had no choice really but very happy with the result so far. Putting in a lot of work for a successful recovery. Thanks for asking.

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dandandan Tuesday, 10 May 2022 at 7:00pm

It's a bit rich to call it one of the most challenging times given that the richest people in Australia have doubled their wealth during that time. It was only as bad as it was because the government chose for it to be that way.

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freeride76 Tuesday, 10 May 2022 at 7:01pm

thats good news Oxrox.

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@oxrox , good to hear things went well , wishing you a full recovery and hope you are able to surf again when the times right .

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indo-dreaming Tuesday, 10 May 2022 at 7:07pm
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Another classy pic from the Freak…yes it’s looks like Labor will romp in so if your in your own business or a worker who likes to go harder on overtime you will pay more tax. If your a wealthy retiree you will also pay more tax…on the good side, people who are battlers will get more free stuff so there is a balance there of sorts. Labor in power benefits me financially but not my kids as things will change for them. My self funded retiree friends will be looking for the usual loopholes when Labor get in which would give me a headache as I hate that stuff.. ..A roof over your head and some waves nearby and a tinny for fishing is all I need. I think if you are going to vote Labor, do so and leave the dodgy parties out of it so the new govt can get majority in the house without having to pander to weird requests every time they vote on something. I still think LNP is best for us at present and they have probably learned a few good lessons from the past as well , but they did get us through a few bad years and not passing stuff they should have is probably a result of being pre occupied with disasters instead. Anyway, there’s a lot to consider and if you do have an independent that you know is a great person and has shared a vision that helps the country give them a vote. Independents who just say vote for me I’m nice and I will stop climate change are time wasters with no real local plan for their community…important time ahead with the rise of China to factor in as well….happy voting.

I agree with most of that the way i look at it, it's a win win scenario.

If LNP win great, you always lake a win, but with interest rates rising and having already been in for 9 years, let's be real if they pull of the miracle and get re-elected its extremely unlikely they would get re-elected next election anyway.

While if Labor get in with interest rates rising and chances of a recession even increasing, it's highly likely Labor wont last more than two terms. (three max)

Cycle wise we are basically at where we were at in 2007, even had the one interest rate rise before the election.

Sometimes its better lose the battle to win the war.

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Supafreak Tuesday, 10 May 2022 at 7:14pm

Hang on indo , in all your previous posts you have stated that labor would do one term two at most , now it’s 2 terms 3 at most , what’s changed ? ……….. “ While if Labor get in with interest rates rising and chances of a recession even increasing, it's highly likely Labor wont last more than two terms. (three max) “

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Robwilliams Tuesday, 10 May 2022 at 7:36pm
indo-dreaming wrote:
oxrox wrote:

Laura Tingle wants to see labor win. She has made this abundantly clear.
Instead of banging on about how bad Scomo has been at every mention of something negative about Albo, I have really been searching for some positive news about the alternatives this election. You know how they will change the country for the better with good, costed policies and not something that sounds good but is near on impossible to do.
Unfortunately, I'm not getting that. All about how bad Scomo etc has been. Well tell me how good it's going to be with you in power. The "how bad is Scomo" from the opposition and the media is boring. If he and the LNP have been so bad it should be a piece of piss to give honest effective policy alternatives to win the election. The alternative is an unknown and that is a little disconcerting from my perspective.

And let's just remember we have just gone through one of the most challenging times any government has had to face with a once in 100 year pandemic backed by fires and floods.

They have delivered little more than a few wet fish given the challenges we have seen. Absolute farce, people know it and see it. Incapable of rising to the challenge when it matters most. Weak government. Weak nation. This time or next.

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soggydog Tuesday, 10 May 2022 at 7:39pm
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You won't get much from Labor on their plans oxrox. They're terrified after the last election, somehow coming to the conclusion that they lost because they bothered to stick their neck out a little bit. Small target is the wrong strategy in my opinion, but they're sticking to it.

If you want fully costed visionary policies, have you looked at the Greens? All their policies are fully costed by the Parliamentary Budget Office (which only exists due to the Greens pushing for it when they were last in balance of power). Putting dental and mental health care into Medicare, making education free from pre to univeristy (including TAFE), increasing the pension and all other income payments to $88 a day rather than keeping them all under the poverty line, returning the retirement age to 65. It's all pretty wonderful, and it's fully costed by the same team that cost the government's policies. A lot of people have a gut instinct reaction to the Greens, or think they only care about the environment, but there's plenty there for you if you're interested!

It’s a pity more people can’t see this D3 and worse are wilfully ignorant and dismissive.

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oxrox Tuesday, 10 May 2022 at 7:39pm

Thanks Supa and Freeride. Will definitely be surfing again and doing everything I could do pre surgery judging by my progress so far. Surgeon is 100 percent confident too. Just needs time.

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jwithay Tuesday, 10 May 2022 at 7:50pm

Regarding the Greens policies posted by D3 above...isn't it amazing what governments can provide with just a little bit of wealth redistribution or increased taxation for those at the pointy end of the scrap heap. How anyone can think that kind of wealth accumulation is okay is beyond me.

& love your passion Robwilliams, stick it to 'em!

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flow Tuesday, 10 May 2022 at 8:05pm

Good stuff ox.

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indo-dreaming Tuesday, 10 May 2022 at 8:20pm
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Hang on indo , in all your previous posts you have stated that labor would do one term two at most , now it’s 2 terms 3 at most , what’s changed ? ……….. “ While if Labor get in with interest rates rising and chances of a recession even increasing, it's highly likely Labor wont last more than two terms. (three max) “

1 term= If they really fuck up, but the public hates swapping governments, so more likely to give two terms.

2 terms= Highly likely and most realistic outcome

3 terms= Unlikely people will be regretting things big time by then kind of like the Krudd Gillard years where Abbott possibly the most unliked leader got in.

More than that= Extremely unlikely, grass will be very green for a LNP government by then.

Other likely scenarios: Change of leadership within the party im even seeing Labor voters on social media question Albo as the choice for leadership, even though you guys wont admit it im sure you are too, Albo clearly just isn't PM material we have seen how much he cracks under pressure and get's all fumble and mumbly and just doesn't know what he should...can you imagine him and Biden together, it would be like a comedy skit.

But can they change leader of party if elected?

If not then yeah that's where the one term could come in.

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flollo Tuesday, 10 May 2022 at 8:24pm

I don't agree with the narrative that Labor went 'big' in 2019. Well, maybe in some sense. They went after negative gearing, franking credits, trusts, super concessions, reversing income tax reductions...And all this is in the name of fighting the rich. So big for those supporting this narrative.

Well, I know plenty of people who are definitely not rich that have some interest in these schemes. They all got terrified and voted LNP. It was smart for Labor to drop these policies going into this election (negative gearing should've stayed). Especially stage 3 tax cuts. By the time that one kicks in, we'll be broke with inflation anyway. 2024-25 tax rates look reasonable. The only issue I have with it is the unchanged $18,200 tax-free threshold which hasn't moved in years. Otherwise, all good. Good that Labor ruled out reversing these changes, it made them more electable. Hopefully, they don't come in and sneakily reverse these cuts. I don't mind if they play with brackets but overall, I agree with LNP that no one under $200k should be paying more than a 30% marginal tax rate.

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indo-dreaming Tuesday, 10 May 2022 at 8:31pm
flollo wrote:

I don't agree with the narrative that Labor went 'big' in 2019. Well, maybe in some sense. They went after negative gearing, franking credits, trusts, super concessions, reversing income tax reductions...And all this is in the name of fighting the rich. So big for those supporting this narrative.

Well, I know plenty of people who are definitely not rich that have some interest in these schemes. They all got terrified and voted LNP. It was smart for Labor to drop these policies going into this election (negative gearing should've stayed). Especially stage 3 tax cuts. By the time that one kicks in, we'll be broke with inflation anyway. 2024-25 tax rates look reasonable. The only issue I have with it is the unchanged $18,200 tax-free threshold which hasn't moved in years. Otherwise, all good. Good that Labor ruled out reversing these changes, it made them more electable. Hopefully, they don't come in and sneakily reverse these cuts. I don't mind if they play with brackets but overall, I agree with LNP that no one under $200k should be paying more than a 30% marginal tax rate.

So basically last election Labor went in with Labor policies and failed.

This election they are pretty much mirroring LNP just slightly tweaked policies. (Liberal lite)

I think that says it all.

Still I guess better a Labor government getting in with with tweaked LNP policies, than a Labor government with Labor policies.

And that area in between is the centre.

LNP have also moved there though with carbon free by 2050 policy.

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Supafreak Tuesday, 10 May 2022 at 8:36pm

Thanks for replying indo , I’ve said before that I don’t see Albo as a strong leader . I do believe that he will do a good job though. Just because he doesn’t always answer perfectly to a bombardment of stupid questions from the circus that calls themselves journalists, doesn’t mean he can’t do the job. Morrison has perfected the art of talking over people without answering the questions and giving a verbal salad that leaves everyone scratching their heads . Labor has a very switched on team compared to the current government . The years ahead certainly aren’t going to be a walk in the park but it’s also not going to be doom and gloom that LNP supporters predict . LNP has had a crack and Australia hasn’t got much to show for the money spent in the last 9 years. Relationships with neighbours near and far is at an all time low . What has the Scott Morrison Party done for Australians that we can be truly grateful for ?

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I focus Tuesday, 10 May 2022 at 10:13pm
Supafreak wrote:

Thanks for replying indo , I’ve said before that I don’t see Albo as a strong leader . I do believe that he will do a good job though. Just because he doesn’t always answer perfectly to a bombardment of stupid questions from the circus that calls themselves journalists, doesn’t mean he can’t do the job. Morrison has perfected the art of talking over people without answering the questions and giving a verbal salad that leaves everyone scratching their heads . Labor has a very switched on team compared to the current government . The years ahead certainly aren’t going to be a walk in the park but it’s also not going to be doom and gloom that LNP supporters predict . LNP has had a crack and Australia hasn’t got much to show for the money spent in the last 9 years. Relationships with neighbours near and far is at an all time low . What has the Scott Morrison Party done for Australians that we can be truly grateful for ?

Removed penalty rates from the lowest paid...

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truebluebasher Wednesday, 11 May 2022 at 12:09am

{ Warning! }
C 200 [ Teal ] Candidates are running in 18 seats to roll out boutique Nuke reactors!
[ Greens ] 1st Preference is for Nuke reactors in all C 200 > 18 seats. (tbb swears!)
C 200 were prioritised as these 18 Seats line the Sea to cool the reactors
The other 2/3 Larger Seats Boss the Grid connect in NSW / Vic / SA. (Rest is easy!)
3 are running for senate to get the Nuke Power over the line + Greens support!
Good chance Greens are on the Take from the Billionaire!

Introducing Homes a' Court's > half a million dollar Playthings...
Think BAMBI staring at the headlights of a Big Mack...(How was I to know!)
https://www.climate200.com.au/candidates

Greens preference ALL C 200 ahead of ALP in all Nuke reactor seats! (No Joke!)
See for yourselves...Type in any C 200 ( All # 2 > One indi is #3 & not behind ALP either)
https://vote.greens.org.au/
Looking at a Mass Inner City Sellout & Yuppie Greens will plead innocent!

Simon Holmes a' court is the Dr No.
2022 AEC Plebiscite for Nuke Power in (Sydney/Melbourne/Adelaide/Perth)
Here's wot yer Voting for or against...Game has changed better get up to speed!
Your Vote is not is not so precious after all...AEC should've outed this Voter Fraud!

Took a lot of imagination & tbb thought it was payback but now has sussed it ...
Seats had a few rare & absurd common factors but the Sea connect was a give away!
Like who the fuck runs 18 seachange seats...just to take out the Jewish Libs! (Later!)
Feel free to share it around ... more on this soon...No! Not on dopey MSM...
Reckon Media are in on it...how are they so stupid not to see this...Huh!
All voters have been exploited...should call off the vote before Nukes are official!
Any here know they were falsely Voting for Oz Nuke reactors? Didn't think so! Well?

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soggydog Wednesday, 11 May 2022 at 7:45am

I’m not sure if it’s that big an issue tbb, after listening to “Australia are you listening” podcast it would appear that nuclear is cost prohibitive and with current renewable technologies definitely not the cheapest form of energy transmission.

I could be completely wrong too but that’s just what I have been lead to believe.

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Optimist Wednesday, 11 May 2022 at 8:01am

Nuclear is a fools energy….short term thinking and a mess for someone in the future to clean up….oh and an accident can never happen these days….as if…the greens again with another un natural train of thought….we are going fine as we are reducing our carbon output thanks to govt incentives and ever emerging advances in thinking…we will get there and faster than most countries.

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Optimist Wednesday, 11 May 2022 at 9:25am

Get a life Facto.

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DudeSweetDudeSweet Wednesday, 11 May 2022 at 9:43am

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Morrison’s gas cartel triggers huge east coast energy shock

This is what happens when a corrupt government sponsors a gas cartel to capture your energy reserves:

A fourfold increase in gas prices has inflicted huge losses on a Riverina-based manufacturer in NSW and may force the company to temporarily close its doors within months if there is no relief.

Causmag International, which uses gas to make magnesium products, has already wound back operations over the past 12 months, cutting workers at two sites near Young from 38 to 29.

The company is one of many east coast manufacturers considering shutting down their plants as prices for natural gas surge due to coal power unit outages. These are sharpening the threat of the sort of broad crunch in energy that has hit economies overseas.

Wholesale gas prices in Victoria have tripled or quadrupled from typical levels to more than $30 a gigajoule, while prices in Sydney are north of $26/GJ even before colder winter weather drives up demand to peak levels.

…Causmag’s predicament comes as big industrial consumers are facing a “doubling or tripling” of electricity prices if they come off contract in the next few months, Energy Users Association of Australia chief executive Andrew Richards said.

…Prices are also being drawn higher by strong international prices for LNG, which soared last September and again after the Russian invasion of Ukraine in February. They have remained much higher than normal as energy importers seek to avoid Russian supplies.

…Gas buyers are partly blaming Queensland’s LNG exporters for the higher east coast domestic prices as they seek to capture more of the super-high overseas prices for gas.

“Netback” prices for LNG exported from Queensland, which signal the equivalent domestic price that exporters are receiving, are at $38.09/GJ for this month, according to the national competition watchdog.

That is higher than the spot prices in the four eastern states of between $26/GJ and $36/GJ. That signals that the three LNG exporters in Gladstone are still making more money from exporting gas than they would from selling it on the east coast spot market.

But analysis by consultancy EnergyQuest says the rise in domestic prices did not appear to be because of any increase in LNG export volumes. EnergyQuest linked the rise in gas prices more to greater call on gas for power generation because of the coal power outages.

This is a joke. In terms of Australian consumption volumes, the gas is basically unlimited. We’re only short because the exporters have left us that way. The local price is rising to parity with the global prices exporters have exposed us to.

IT HAS NOTHING WHATSOEVER TO DO WITH COAL.

The Morrison Government has failed utterly to bring discipline to the gas export cartel via the Australian Domestic Gas Security Mechanism. It was supposed to strengthen it in 2019 after doing a deal with Senator Rex Patrick in exchange for $158bn in tax cuts. It outright lied and was captured by gas cartel bribes instead

The ADGSM must be triggered and the gas export cartel forced to supply locals at prices far below export net-back. It is the only solution, as has been amply demonstrated by WA for decades.

Morrison’s catastrophe is only complete when one understands that three-quarters of east coast gas is being shipped to China to strengthen its industry (including military). Yet, as Morrison makes an enemy of it, we are gutting the last of our industrial base to guarantee that we have no way to defend ourselves.

The cartel pays no tax, employs few, and spends a lot of money bribing the government. The final insult is that gas sets the marginal cost of electricity so everybody is about to be hammered on that bill, not to mention extra rate hikes.

This is a case of Dutch disease so virulent that it will kill the host.

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DudeSweetDudeSweet Wednesday, 11 May 2022 at 9:47am
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Anyone for tennis?

https://theunaustralian.net/2022/05/11/scomos-former-creepy-mate-asks-al...

Are you trying to say that any Australian man who looks for love in the Philippines is a filthy sleaze bag?

Please explain the intent of this post.

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burleigh Wednesday, 11 May 2022 at 9:59am

I've made up my mind. I'm voting for big Clive.